Airbus And Boeing 2015 Orders

scbriml · Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:33 pm

This thread is for discussion relating to Airbus and Boeing orders for 2015.

The intention for this thread is to keep track of the orders as they develop through the year. The desire is to keep this as a fact-based thread and to avoid speculation, rumours and especially arguments.

After record-breaking years for both manufacturers in 2014, let's see what 2015 holds. One thing's for sure - it's unlikely to be boring.

[Edited 2015-01-18 15:36:16]

LTH · Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:49 am

Quoting scbriml (Thread starter):
keep this as a fact-based thread and avoid especially arguments.

Thank you for creating this thread scbriml. I want to put a strong emphasis on avoiding arguments and Airbus vs. Boeing discussions. Part 5 and 6 of the 2014 order threads ended badly.

Lets hope for an eventful year for both OEMs.

LTH

kanban · Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:00 pm

Thanks.. Let's try to keep this limited to OEM announced sales, MOUs, cancellations, and conversions.. and encourage those that want to comment in depth (meaning more than "congrats xxx") to start a separate thread for that customers activity.

Flying-Tiger · Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:49 am

Looks like the first order for 2015 for Airbus:

International Airfinance Corporation’s (IAFC) 5 + 4 Airbus A330-200

http://www.cpifinancial.net/news/pos...ternational-airfinance-corporation

sirtoby · Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:19 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 3):
Looks like the first order for 2015 for Airbus:

This order was booked in December 2014.

Stitch · Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:43 pm

Yemenia last week converted their A350-800 order to the A350-900. This leave only Aeroflot and Asiana (8 each) left to convert.

scbriml · Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:47 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Yemenia last week converted their A350-800 order to the A350-900.

This was included in Airbus's December O&D spreadsheet, so was done last year (but may have only been reported recently).

KarelXWB · Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:56 am

BOC Aviation will power 10 A320ceo aircraft with CFM engines.

http://www.cfmaeroengines.com/press/...ces-200-million-order-with-cfm/788

Asiaflyer · Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:08 am

ANA has ordered three 787-10, five 737-800 and seven A321.

From reuters:
TOKYO, Jan 30 (Reuters) - Japan's biggest airline, ANA Holdings 9202.T, said on Friday it had ordered 15 jetliners from Boeing Co BA.N and Airbus Group worth AIR.PA $2.2 billion to bolster flights on domestic routes.
ANA's latest aircraft order includes three 787-10 jets and five 737-800s from Boeing, and seven A321s from Airbus, the carrier said in a release.

Boeing778X · Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:29 am

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 8):
ANA has ordered three 787-10, five 737-800 and seven A321.

Congrats to Boeing, Airbus and NH

817Dreamliiner · Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:31 am

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 8):
seven A321.

4 A321ceos and 3 A321neos.

KarelXWB · Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:29 am

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 8):
ANA has ordered

Not yet ordered, it's a commitment.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=20295&item=129332

BobMUC · Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:14 am

Airbus is talking about an order:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...ngs-orders-seven-additional-a321s/

chiki · Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:55 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):

The 787-10 are a commitment and the 737 are an order

JerseyFlyer · Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:07 pm

3 x 7810 seems a small number, unless they are planning to convert some outstanding options from 8s or 9s as well

Stitch · Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:52 pm

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 14):
3 x 7810 seems a small number, unless they are planning to convert some outstanding options from 8s or 9s as well

Reports state that these three will be used on domestic routes. This MoU/Order is being discussed in-depth here - ANA Buys, 787-10, A321 And 737 (by bestwestern Jan 30 2015 in Civil Aviation) -

chiad · Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:14 am

Slow order month for Airbus with only 5 A332 from an Undisclosed customer.
A little off topic but there was also just 36 deliveries, including only 5 A330's and 1 A380.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/co...ate-information/orders-deliveries/

PM · Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:42 am

Quoting chiad (Reply 16):
5 A332 from an Undisclosed customer

The first batch for the French Air Force?

flyby519 · Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting chiad (Reply 16):

Any guesses who these 5 are for?

KarelXWB · Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:29 pm

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 18):
Any guesses who these 5 are for?

Dubai-based International Airfinance (IAFC).

http://www.aerospace-technology.com/...y-airbus-a330-200-aircraft-4494979

scbriml · Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:16 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
Dubai-based International Airfinance (IAFC).

http://www.aerospace-technology.com/...y-airbus-a330-200-aircraft-4494979

Hmm, I'm not so sure. Airbus booked an order for 5 x A332 for IAFC on 19th Dec. The PR you linked to is dated 22nd Jan and the undisclosed order is dated 30th Jan.

Someone83 · Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:03 pm

Avianca will go for the A320 neo family and has commited to 100 aircraft

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...a-commits-to-100-a320neo-aircraft/

Boeing778X · Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:10 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 21):
Avianca will go for the A320 neo family and has commited to 100 aircraft

What a magnificent order! Congrats Avianca and Airbus!

scbriml · Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:19 pm

Airbus January sales summary (short!)

30th - 5 x A330-200, Undisclosed customer.

Boeing January sales summary (even shorter!)

Boeing's page still hasn't been updated from their 2014 summary, so possibly no sales in January.

817Dreamliiner · Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:30 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 21):
Avianca will go for the A320 neo family and has commited to 100 aircraft

Will be interesting to see the breakdown of this order. AV is one of those few airlines with A319neos on the order book. though judging from the rendering, the A319 isnt part of the order, but that doesn't exactly mean that it isn't. (look at the azul order for instance)

mffoda · Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:53 pm

Boeing Update:

"Changes since last update: Five new orders (All Nippon Airways five 737s). In the changes category reduced 787 net orders by one."

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/

Ab345 · Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:11 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 23):

Airbus January sales summary (short!)

30th - 5 x A330-200, Undisclosed customer.

Where is the ANA holdings order for the seven A321s ?

kanban · Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 26):
Where is the ANA holdings order for the seven A321s ?

it like the AV planes are still only MOUs so don't appear on a firm sale accounting

Ab345 · Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:23 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 27):

I don't see an MoU phrasing anywhere in the announcement

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...ngs-orders-seven-additional-a321s/

KarelXWB · Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:18 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 26):
Where is the ANA holdings order for the seven A321s ?

Booked in February?

Ab345 · Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:31 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 29):

Airbus posted it on January 30th

KarelXWB · Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:33 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 30):
Airbus posted it on January 30th

The press release was posted on January 30th but sometimes the actual order date is several days later.

We will find out next month.

Ab345 · Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:37 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):

Great

KarelXWB · Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting mffoda (Reply 25):
"Changes since last update: Five new orders (All Nippon Airways five 737s). In the changes category reduced 787 net orders by one."

Any idea who canceled the 787? Probably a VIP customer?

PW100 · Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:17 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
The press release was posted on January 30th but sometimes the actual order date is several days later.

If it would have been December rather than January, I'd bet good money it would be signed on the 31st . .

LTH · Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:50 am

Amazing how well the A320neo keeps selling. I thought Boeing would try very hard to pull off another AC stunt with Avianca.

LTH

KarelXWB · Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:56 am

Quoting LTH (Reply 35):
I thought Boeing would try very hard to pull off another AC stunt with Avianca.

They tried very hard.

scbriml · Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:05 am

Revised summary to end January:

Airbus January sales summary

5 x A330-200, Undisclosed customer.

Boeing January sales summary

5 x 737, ANA

KarelXWB · Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:09 am

Hi scbriml,

Perhaps you can add the cancellations too?

KarelXWB · Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:18 pm

Seems that Hong Kong Airlines is canceling its 777F order.

http://twitter.com/winglets747/status/563715656256737281

They ordered six 777F aircraft in June 2011.

[Edited 2015-02-06 07:18:30]

Avionics09 · Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:18 pm

Royal Air Maroc has firmed up its option on the B787-8 as the carrier was revealed to be behind an Unidentified Order for 1x B787-8 :

Total firm orders for the B787 currently stands at 5.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

scbriml · Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:11 am

Quoting Avionics09 (Reply 40):
Royal Air Maroc has firmed up its option on the B787-8 as the carrier was revealed to be behind an Unidentified Order for 1x B787-8 :

But that was in 2013, we're tracking 2015 orders.

Revised summary to end January:

Airbus January sales summary

5 x A330-200, Undisclosed customer.

Boeing January sales summary

5 x 737, ANA
-1 x 787

Avionics09 · Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:41 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 41):
we're tracking 2015 orders

Obviously!

The carrier may have converted its option back in 2013 , but this was until recently under 'Unidentified Order' .

chiad · Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:23 am

Quoting LTH (Reply 35):

Amazing how well the A320neo keeps selling. I thought Boeing would try very hard to pull off another AC stunt with Avianca.

Yeah .. hats off.

If Airbus can firm up IndiGo, ALC and this latest Avianca MoU's, the NEO backlog will pass 4000 orders.

SEPilot · Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:17 am

Quoting chiad (Reply 43):

If Airbus can firm up IndiGo, ALC and this latest Avianca MoU's, the NEO backlog will pass 4000 orders.

Which will probably help Boeing sell the MAX, if they can offer better deliveries. There are airlines who would prefer to get the MAX sooner rather than the NEO later, even if there preference is really for the NEO.

KarelXWB · Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:31 am

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 44):
if they can offer better deliveries

To be fair, that's what people keep saying year after year. Avianca was supposed to order the 737 MAX because of better availability and selected the A320neo instead. Something doesn't add up: the A320neo represents some 60% of the B737-MAX/A320neo backlog while only Boeing has announced higher production rates. A320 family production levels are not representing the backlog. You'd expect A320neo sales to stall a bit yet Airbus keeps selling them at high rates. What's going on?

Prost · Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:40 am

One of two things springs to mind: they are working behind the scenes to increase production, or Airus feels some of these 'orders' a less than solid. My vote is the first scenario.

StTim · Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:47 am

It is probably a bit of both.

parapente · Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:47 am

Re Reply 45
Perhaps its the geared fan? Purely speculation on my part - but its the one big differential.It can't be price with such a huge backlog.Perhaps it really is 'that' good. (It better work!)

StTim · Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:55 am

Quoting parapente (Reply 48):
Perhaps its the geared fan? Purely speculation on my part - but its the one big differential.It can't be price with such a huge backlog.Perhaps it really is 'that' good. (It better work!)

But if you look at neo orders where the engine has been chosen the LEAP currently has 55% of those orders.

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