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UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:07 pm

I am curious if UAL and Delta ever fly their 7573s on international
routes. I know they are used heavily on leisure routes within the United
States but wondering ever make a showing internationally.
 
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:31 pm

I thought UA used some on EWR-Stuttgart, but I may be mistaken. Maybe someone on this site has better knowledge
 
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:33 pm

DL flies the B753 to CUN and likely some other trans-border/western hemisphere destinations, but I do not know of them ever flying or planning to fly across the Atlantic on a scheduled (non-charter) basis.
 
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:33 pm

Well not UAL but COA sometimes during summer and winter holidays used to send the 7573 to MEX and SJO.

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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:37 pm

Quoting dfwjim1 (Thread starter):
I am curious if UAL and Delta ever fly their 7573s on international
routes. I know they are used heavily on leisure routes within the United
States but wondering ever make a showing internationally.

I'm not seeing any in the schedule, but I know they've gone into the Carribbean, so yes...
 
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:40 pm

Through Feb 14, UA has them on EWR-AUA, EWR-CUN, and EWR-PUJ. That's it for UA.

http://www.united.com/CMS/UADocuments/pdfs/timetable.pdf

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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:44 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 1):
I thought UA used some on EWR-Stuttgart, but I may be mistaken.

As I recall, that service was a 752.

Not sure if UA still uses the 753s to Caracas, but I remember one running IAH to CCS some years ago (pre-merger).

Also, and as already mentioned, 753s have been flown into Mexico and the Carribbean. Seems like I saw one in Aruba a couple of years ago (from EWR, I think).

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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:38 pm

No why? If they wanted to do they could just the 767..
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:44 pm

Santa Domingo - EWR as recently at 2013, IIRC.
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:51 pm

IAH-PTY was a 753. I think it still is today
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:24 pm

Didn't NWA send a 753 from BOS-AMS one or two times? I looked in the photos and couldn't find a shot of it. I remember seeing a picture of one in AMS, just cant remember when they did it.
 
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:26 pm

Quoting FARmd90 (Reply 10):

As far as I remember, it only happened once. The 753 was a sub for a broken 752.
 
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:55 pm

I would think that United would be more like to send a 737-900er here than the 757-300.
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:58 pm

the 753 doesn't have the performance to do the Atlantic without serious restrictions.
 
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:24 pm

The longest 753 route CO/UA have ever operated is IAH-LIM, which is now flying with a 763 post merger. The 753 has never gone Trans-Atlantic in scheduled service as they don't have a Businessfirst cabin.
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:03 pm

Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 13):
the 753 doesn't have the performance to do the Atlantic without serious restrictions.

Not knowing much about the 753, but with a given range of about 3300nm, could it make EWR-SNN/DUB which is in the 2600-2700nm range?
 
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:02 am

In a 2008(?) issue of Airways Magazine, shortly after installation of the winglets on the 753s commenced, the text stated that they'd be used for EWR-Europe flights, but it doesn't seem like that ever panned out.
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:43 am

I think the 753s of both Delta and United have always been in a domestic configuration- so apart from not having the legs to make it to Europe, so apart from not having the legs, they also wouldn't have the correct premium seating.
 
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:55 am

AFAIK, NW subbed the 753 on the BDL-AMS route. It has never regularly crossed the Atlantic for a US carrier. It does plenty of international.

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 1):

I thought UA used some on EWR-Stuttgart, but I may be mistaken.

No chance. The route is too long.

Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 13):
the 753 doesn't have the performance to do the Atlantic without serious restrictions.

They can do the shorter flights, but couldn't do the majority.
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:36 am

Well, I don't know about DL and UA, but FI use their -300 daily to either YYZ, BOS or JFK. I've even seen it go to IAD a couple of times.


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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:51 pm

Quoting ei912 (Reply 15):

Um obviously.

Of their fleet the following could reach us:

1. 757-200 and 757-300
2. 737-800 - 3,200 nautical miles
3. 737-700 -3,500 nautical miles
4. 767-400, 767-300
5. 777-200
6. 737-900, 737-900er - 3,300 nautical miles

You will get people saying the 737 can't but I beg to differ. In the summer there is very little jetstream winds hence the fact that flight time differences between night and day are subtle.

At the very least it will make it to Boston from here.

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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:53 pm

Quoting AT (Reply 17):

3600 nautical miles is MORE than enough to make it here.

Where I live it is 2500 nautical miles to Boston.
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:59 pm

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 19):

To me Iceland isn't a transatlantic flight because its already half way over the atlantic and is only 1,000 miles to Canada.

Technically its already in north america.
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:41 pm

Quoting ei912 (Reply 15):
but with a given range of about 3300nm, could it make EWR-SNN/DUB which is in the 2600-2700nm range?

This is true, but it wouldn't make operational sense to have the 753 fleet configured with the international product (Business First etc) just for DUB and SNN.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
They can do the shorter flights, but couldn't do the majority.

  
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:07 pm

I know that Delta flies a 757 (probably a -300) from KPIT to Paris
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:50 pm

Delta's 757-300s are used for domestic and Hawaii.
They may occasionally be used to CUN but not seeing any in the advanced schedule.

They do not use them for TATL or TPAC flying.

There have been a few one-off substitutions (that you could count on one-hand) where they had used a 753 to sub on a flight from the Northeast to AMS but that is an extreme outlier event.

Quoting JOshu (Reply 24):
I know that Delta flies a 757 (probably a -300) from KPIT to Paris

No, 757-200s in the International configuration are used on PIT-CDG & PHL-CDG.
 
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:45 pm

Quoting JOshu (Reply 24):

I know that Delta flies a 757 (probably a -300) from KPIT to Paris

Its a -200 from PIT to CDG.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 23):
This is the reason, having a sub fleet for a short amount of Northern European routes wouldn't be viable and would be a planning nightmare.

Yeah, unless you were able to figure out how to fly a fleet of 15-20 around, it wouldn't be worth it. Now, if the airlines had brought the 753 in for premium transcons back in the day, this might have been a mission they could have done. Something like LAX-JFK-LHR.

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 19):
Well, I don't know about DL and UA, but FI use their -300 daily to either YYZ, BOS or JFK. I've even seen it go to IAD a couple of times.

KEF is much closer to North America.

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You are incorrect. The 739ER has trouble flying LAX-KOA at times - to the extent that UA has essentially abandoned that experiment. Stop looking at mere still air range.
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:00 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 1):
I thought UA used some on EWR-Stuttgart, but I may be mistaken.

That was a 752, but the route has since been cancelled.
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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:52 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):

I said summer. Westjet are flying the 737-800 from Glasgow to Halifax and Knock to Boston has been done before. It will be possible.

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 23):

You know what United flies the 737/757-300 to South America with a domestic product. They could change this to an international proudct and use the 737/757-300 to fly from NYC to South America and also to Ireland and the UK if they wanted.

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RE: UA/DL 7573 Internationally?

Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:27 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 22):
Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 19):


To me Iceland isn't a transatlantic flight because its already half way over the atlantic and is only 1,000 miles to Canada.

Technically its already in north america.

Maybe to you but to the airline industry, Iceland-North America is definitely transatlantic.

And the shortest scheduled route to Canada is KEF-YHZ which is 2,054 miles, not 1,000. Even KEF-YYT is 1,603 miles.

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