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Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:11 pm

Its not that many Aircraft but I suspect they will be used on primarily west coast-Asia and Sydney flights.
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:21 pm

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):

Its not that many Aircraft but I suspect they will be used on primarily west coast-Asia and Sydney flights

I think that's going to be the consensus for the whole thread. I'd expect these to be more SFO centric, with LAX-SYD thrown in also. Pretty much expect to see a 77W where UA flies the 744 now, within the next 2 years.

Personally, I'd love to see them at IAH, but I don't know if there is just enough room for them at Terminal E. I suspect it will be a primarily 787 hub, but that's besides the point.

Here's my UA 77W route wish list:
IAH-FRA
IAH-GIG-JNB
IAH-AKL  
SFO-SYD
SFO/LAX-AKL
EWR-BOM
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:23 pm

Wouldn't be surprised to see it to TLV

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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:33 pm

While they will likely all be in SFO, IAH-GIG needs an increase. I guess we'll have to wait until 787-10 or A35J
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:34 pm

I see them being based in ORD and SFO, to directly replace the 744's. Routes like SFO-NRT/ICN/HKG or ORD-NRT/HKG
 
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Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:39 pm

Do they really need to add more seats into SYD? Now that they have gone nonstop to MEL there are more seats to SYD. Also wasnt the reduction in Y seats the reason for using the 772ER instead of the 744?
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Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:46 pm

Yeah, I'm a little skeptical on SYD. Downgauging the 747 to a 777 was done partly to remove seats from the market to drive up yields. Plus, the Australian economy is not doing great right now, at least relative to the U.S.'s, so I'm gonna say SYD's a little further down the list right now.

Like others have said, they'll likely go on SFO-Asia routes, as well as ORD-HKG. Wouldn't be surprised if FRA sees 1 or 2 as well.
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Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:55 pm

Surely they are not going to use them at long flights as opposed to A35J. Probably LHR/CDG routes.
 
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Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:05 pm

Has their 77W order been confirmed?
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Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:08 pm

SFO-NRT/PVG/HKG/LHR
ORD-NRT/PEK/PVG/LHR

I don't see UA opening new routes (at least at the beginning) with these birds as they have more adequate smaller aircraft to "test the waters" before deploying the new flagship. Further, I don't see them operating at IAH/EWR at all. Since these are intended to replace the B744's look for where they fly to get a better picture of where the B77W's will fly (most B744 flights are op'd out of SFO/ORD, NOT EWR/IAH).
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:10 pm

I would say that SYD and the Rest of australia will eventually be a mix of 788/789. This would drive up yields, provide ample range, and could create a better product experience than most competitors. The 777's and 744's are aging, and should be used on more lucrative routes. (The AUS economy is not stellar right now). IMHO the dreamliner/A350 (in the future) are the perfect plane for the UA USA-AUS routes
 
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Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:41 pm

Am I the only one hoping UA unveils a total brand, marketing, and hard/soft product overhaul with the 77W and/or A350?
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:11 pm

A re-brand would be nice. They are working on changes to their J class product as frequent fliers have gone to Chicago to provide input.

I doubt their work and a new seat would be ready in time for the 77W but should be for the 35J and/or 78J.
 
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:18 pm

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 6):
Yeah, I'm a little skeptical on SYD. Downgauging the 747 to a 777 was done partly to remove seats from the market to drive up yields. Plus, the Australian economy is not doing great right now, at least relative to the U.S.'s, so I'm gonna say SYD's a little further down the list right now.

I don't think the Australian economy is doing all that badly at the moment, TBH. Like it's not going gang-busters but people are still travelling. And people are still visiting Australia. Doesn't the 77W have basically the same trip-cost as the 77E? In which case, if UA has the extra bums to put on the extra seats (or projects that it will by the time any or all of these aircraft arrive), then 77W wins.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 11):
Am I the only one hoping UA unveils a total brand, marketing, and hard/soft product overhaul with the 77W and/or A350?

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Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:28 pm

I am sorry if this is silly because I don't really know the ins and outs of the way airlines operate in the USA but could this signal the removal of some older 772's from international service and see work on domestic services with high passenger rates.

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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 11):
Am I the only one hoping UA unveils a total brand, marketing, and hard/soft product overhaul with the 77W and/or A350?

Why? They just spent millions on branding from the merger.

But I wouldn't mind seeing a face lift. The CO livery, as beautiful as it is, is a 1991 livery!    I like where they went with the "Flowing Cheatline."

But let's assume we did want to touch it up in a big way. Something classy, professional and modern without a total fresh rebrand......Something like this?  


Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 1):
Here's my UA 77W route wish list:
IAH-FRA
IAH-GIG-JNB
IAH-AKL  
SFO-SYD
SFO/LAX-AKL
EWR-BOM

Good. I'd also add:

EWR-HKG
EWR-PVG
EWR-PEK
EWR-NRT
IAH-LHR?
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Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:50 pm

They are converting 789s to 77Ws? UA must be pretty impatient! But I smell another 77W order or a 777X order before year-end.
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:55 pm

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 8):
Has their 77W order been confirmed?

Almost.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...dy-orders-to-the-777-300er-408124/

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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:04 pm

My guess is that they will all go to ORD, the smaller of the 747 bases for maintainance advantages. They can replace the five current frames here, and then replace routes to FRA and HKG. Maybe those 77Es can be used to replace single daily 747 routes from SFO as double daily. Probably won't happen with just 10 of these, but it could be possible depending on whether UA feels the need double dailies to the largest Asian markets. With HNL-NRT going 787(instead of 747) this summer, that could give them more leverage in terms of using these new planes to do upgaguing, as this chnge frees up more 747s for retirement.

For Australia, I'd say a new route to AKL/BNE with a 787 would happen before SYD goes . Competition wise, having more non stops on these ULHs instead of 77W vs 77E would be better IMO, and the 787s are more available to UA at tjis point.

Isn't this order all speculation/rumor anyway? I thought that 747s at UA are being utilized very lightly these days. It seems to good to be true   
 
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:05 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 15):
Why? They just spent millions on branding from the merger.

It just doesn't seem like a solid marketing/branding scheme. It just throws the message that UA and CO are now one. All the pomp and circumstance of the merger is over and now UA needs to go forward. Something the current campaign doesn't display too well.

I think they should roll out something that doesn't scream old-UA or old-CO, something that days this is a new airline altogether. BTW, I love the livery Boeing778X posted, but it doesn't fit with what I'm trying to say.

Personally I'd love to see the last TWA scheme reborn with blue instead of red and it says UNITED on the tail.   But I don't think UA would be too happy with that.
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:10 pm

Quoting GLASGOWspotter (Reply 14):

Unfortunately, they don't do this very often these days. With some high volume domestic routes, widebodies would make a lot of sense to repace some large narrowbody routes (739) which replace smaller mainline routes (A319/73G) which replace large RJ routes, which replace 50- seater routes. More comfort on these high volume routes, less frequencies to reduce delays at hubs, and more RASM with less all economy RJs, and of course, lower CASM. It makes too much sense!
 
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:18 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 20):
But I don't think UA would be too happy with that.

Neither do I. United put the name on the tail with the "Friendship" livery, which was nice, but I think "Name-On-The-Tail" liveries are vanishing. Even WN went with a Billboard style livery (saw N7706A up close today. That is a gorgeous livery!   )

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 20):
It just doesn't seem like a solid marketing/branding scheme.

I get what you're saying. Still, would be nice to still pay tribute to CO in that way.

I imagine they'll keep this livery for 10 or so more years. Maybe even less than that. DL's "Wavy" scheme only lasted, what, 7-8 years? I'm sure the "Interim" livery was less than that.
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:22 pm

I wish all ORD, but SYD and HKG are screaming for this, so SFO, LAX, ORD, and EWR. Sorry IAH and IAD.
 
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:26 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 1):
I'd expect these to be more SFO centric, with LAX-SYD thrown in also. Pretty much expect to see a 77W where UA flies the 744 now, within the next 2 years.

  

That pretty much sums up my thoughts.

If the 77Ws are going to be replacements for some 744s, then I expect to see them on some of the 744 routes, as well as on flights to SYD.

  
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:50 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 20):
Personally I'd love to see the last TWA scheme reborn with blue instead of red and it says UNITED on the tail. But I don't think UA would be too happy with that.

They already slapped "UNITED" onto Continental's livery, at this point, slapping it onto TWA's livery would be an improvement.

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 22):
I get what you're saying. Still, would be nice to still pay tribute to CO in that way.

Their entire fleet is a "tribute" to Continental. They should start doing a "tribute" to United, since that's who they're supposed to be.
 
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:52 am

Any chance of EWR-DEL/BOM? Haven't these been slated for capacity increases when the A350s come on board?
 
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:01 am

LAX-SYD
ORD-NRT
EWR-HKG


I hope IAD gets some love.
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:31 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 25):
Their entire fleet is a "tribute" to Continental. They should start doing a "tribute" to United, since that's who they're supposed to be

Don't start.
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:31 am

Miami, I respect your wish for IAD love (Virginia is for lovers), but I think this is an OZ, HKG, ORD thing. Let's see if AA finally brings the 77W on ORD-LHR! Probably not, but I'll take BA 2X daily over the shit AA and UA offer on ORD-LHR! Maybe Virgin / DL can figure this out! Shit, ORD-LHR is bigger than ORD-CDG, WTF Sky Team?
 
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:46 am

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 29):
(Virginia is for lovers

  

Well, I'd hope IAD does get love. They obviously have a route where it can use a 77W nicely.
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:13 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 15):
But let's assume we did want to touch it up in a big way. Something classy, professional and modern without a total fresh rebrand......Something like th

My oh my, can't we just let it go? CO has been dead for almost half a decade now  
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:25 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 31):
CO has been dead for almost half a decade now

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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:49 am

I have my doubts this plane will be seen at IAH if they've only ordered 10. If there were 20 in the fleet, I'd expect them on routes like IAH-NRT or IAH-LHR (or possibly IAH-GIG). But my guess is the primary focus city is SFO, with EWR as a back-up, since these are 747-400 replacements.
 
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:52 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 32):
As a fan, loyal customer and OnePass member, CO will never truly die

Funny, I don't really hear to often on these boards people touting their NW Worldperks, EA OnePass, TWA FFB, or America West FlightFund accounts anymore. Maybe because they are mileage programs from defunct airlines that don't exist anymore?

Your post is a reminder that until UA unites it's labor forces, the divide will still exist.
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:53 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 11):
Am I the only one hoping UA unveils a total brand, marketing, and hard/soft product overhaul with the 77W and/or A350?

I replied in the other thread, but my thoughts it is;
-I don't think they'll change J much, it'll probably stay high density. I wonder if J travellers are necessarily more enlightened about what product they'll be receiving than an average Y traveller. Like high density Y, the more J they cram in, the more revenue...
-Y sounds like it will bring some terrible future, something like 10-Abreast Recaro slimlines.
-I'm doubtful of a F reintroduction by virtue of them going out of their way to remove it from the 763's (on like 10 of them?)

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 26):

Any chance of EWR-DEL/BOM? Haven't these been slated for capacity increases when the A350s come on board?

I think SFO-DEL is most likely with the 77W. And to be entirely honest, I felt a cold chill run down my spine with that thought for above reasons.

Regardless the 77W will be an improvement over the atrocious 744's that can't seem to leave the fleet quickly enough. Hopefully SFO will see some love to let some of those old outdated birds retire a few years too darn late.
 
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:56 am

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 34):
Maybe because they are mileage programs from defunct airlines that don't exist anymore?

Actually, technically, CO OnePass is still active through UA, but I started my account long before the merger.
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:00 am

I think HKG would also be a front-runner to get the 77W (I can see ORD-HKG going from 772 to 77W). If there are only 10 planes and are thus based at the same airport, probably SFO, I can see something like both SFO-HKG and ORD-HKG going 77W - with the ORD-HKG flight being rotated SFO-HKG-ORD-HKG-SFO...

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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:20 am

I posted this in a previous thread but I think it will be the three ORD 747 routes (ORD-PVG/NRT/PEK) and then SYD-SFO/LAX with SFO-SYD going 772 when maintenance is necessary. It makes sense to once again consolidate 747 ops on SFO as much as SFO fans dislike them. Just my 2 cents of course!
 
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:53 am

I think SFO-HKG could be a mix (initially) of 77W and A35J by UA. But I think UA is preparing for a 15-20 plane 777-9X order--and these will be based primarily at SFO and LAX for tranpacific flights, primarily to PEK, PVG, HKG, SYD, and MEL.
 
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:58 am

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 3):
IAH-GIG needs an increase.

Why do you think that? With the price of oil down IAH-GIG might not be looking so good.
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:59 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 39):
But I think UA is preparing for a 15-20 plane 777-9X order

Sounds about right, but I don't think they'll place an order just yet.

The Reuters article on the subject states that this won't exactly be a order, but rather a conversion.

But I have no reason to doubt that this will lead to a 777X order. I think we'll see one as we get closer to the 777X EIS.
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RE: Most Likely Routes For UA's New 77W's

Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:09 am

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 29):
Shit, ORD-LHR is bigger than ORD-CDG, WTF Sky Team?

You forget that on ORD-LHR, there is a OW hub on both ends offering connections to everywhere. For sky team, there would be a hub on one end, CDG. But I'm a biased OW flyer  
 
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:18 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 36):

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