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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:53 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 41):
Does EK have a timeline for shedding their (non-ER RR-powered) 773s?
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 45):
Since EK has only recently started to retire their early 777's (ln 30 & 33) after almost 20 years I don't think they'll be retiring their 773's anytime soon.

All of the 777-300s are leased from ILFC with deliveries between 1999-2003. I do not know what the lease term is, but if it's 12 years (which is EK's general term), then they would have started to begin returns last year. Under the original EIS schedule, EK would have received their first A350-900s last year and A350-1000s this year.

I'm guessing EK has (or will be) extending the leases, though they do have 777-300ERs on order that could be used to replace them.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:57 pm

10 is like for starters, I mean it must be to test the figures or so.

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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:28 pm

Quoting windshear (Reply 51):
I mean it must be to test the figures or so.

You don't "test figures" with 1.5 billion dollars worth of airplane.
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:31 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 33):
I'm guessing switching 787 options to 77W firm is easier on UA's bookkeeping. Either way it's not affecting the 787 firm orders, but I'm still curious what UA is doing to replace 763s. The 788s are mostly (if not all) delivered, and everything else is 789 (777 routes that require yield improving or at ULH stage lengths) and 78J (777 routes that can use extra pax lift, and TATL)

No, it's a cashflow and operating cost exercise. On cashflow, no way to take on 10 789's and 10 77W's. On the operating cost, the 77W's will make a bigger financial benefit/impact by retiring 744's than the 789's would with the 763's that were to retire. Essentially the 10 763 conversions will cover those 789's for now.

So, retire 10 744's next year vs. retire 10 763's.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 39):
Yes. UA is swapping 10 firm 787-9 orders for 10 firm 777-300ER orders.

UA does have a significant number of 787 options, so they can exercise 10 of those later on to "recover" the ten frames they've swapped.

Right on.

Quoting windshear (Reply 51):
10 is like for starters, I mean it must be to test the figures or so.

Just like BA did and AA.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:04 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 53):
No, it's a cashflow and operating cost exercise. On cashflow, no way to take on 10 789's and 10 77W's. On the operating cost, the 77W's will make a bigger financial benefit/impact by retiring 744's than the 789's would with the 763's that were to retire. Essentially the 10 763 conversions will cover those 789's for now.

So, retire 10 744's next year vs. retire 10 763's.

Makes sense. And with the 789s being firm, UA would be paying deposits as production advanced, yes? (As in, that's the reason to cancel 10 firm rather than convert options).
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:19 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 26):

This surprises me; I can only make sense of it by thinking that too many 747s were going to come up for D-check before the A3510's arrive,

Must be, with the fuel prices dropping this is not as big an issue as it used to be. Aercap even said the demand for leasing 744s and A343s is rising again   

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 26):
I wonder what the long term effects are going to be; right now, the 77Ws will not be a problem as UA still has plenty of 772s still flying. But they will be long gone while the 77Ws are still in their prime; what then? 10 is a pretty small fleet for UA, and either they will offload them (which will not be easy as there will be boatloads of ex-EK 77Ws on the market as well by then), or they intend to buy the 779

Perhaps Boeing will offer a buy back clause of the 77W if UA signs for the 777X at the same time?

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 49):

I gess they get the 777-300ER for the price of the 787-9.

Not a bad deal at all...

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Wouldn't be surprised if Airbus makes similar deals (as per discount) for A380 eventually -( uuups -thats a taboo theme )
  

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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:24 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 55):
Perhaps Boeing will offer a buy back clause of the 77W if UA signs for the 777X at the same time?

I don't know, but I bet that clause has been discussed. Or perhaps UA will lease from Boeing (Boeing arranged) for 10 years?

[quote=frigatebird,reply=55)Not a bad deal at all...[/quote]

Right on...wonder what the per a/c difference is on this? They say $2mm for every 739 that replaces a 757.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:03 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 56):
Or perhaps UA will lease from Boeing (Boeing arranged) for 10 years?

A ten year lease would be a good move, if they do wish to upgrade to the 777X in the mid 2020s. By that point, the aircraft will be well established in the market.
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:03 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 48):

From what I've seen that's about right. The 789 has better pax+cargo capacity, range, and very similar operating costs, so a MUCH better CASM and more flexible frame. It was said on a previous thread that the 788 is really going to bounce around the system as the starter plane for long/thin routes until they bulk up enough to warrant upgauging as they mature. If so, there probably won't be a need for any more.

Quoting codc10 (Reply 47):

Wouldn't surprise me, particularly with the costs of 789 vs. 788. IIRC the 788 is more efficient than a 763 at everything past 250-odd miles, so even most domestic use is better with a 787. So there is certainly no need for 763's to stick around particularly long if you have enough combined 787's to cover that ground (788's for that specific size, then 789's to backfill mature routes the 788 has proven or that they can redeploy 777's from). 764's probably stick around a while due to their economics, but not the 763's when you have a better alternative.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:38 pm

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 48):
Those 11 additional 76Es are still 20-25 years old (they are from the early 90s batch, the existing 14 76Es are later deliveries), so they won't be around too much longer even with conversion

According to some, the 767s are needing to be replaced sooner than later. UA is no doubt familiar with the characteristics and operational aspects of the 787 by now.

Would it be feasible for UA to acquire, lease or operate the group of early-build 787-8s that had some design/weight issues or are these "terrible teens" just an albatross that could not be integrated in any fleet? There are plenty of routes that wouldn't require the full range that these A/C have so any weight penalty should be a minor drawback while still being more efficient than the 763.

I can't imagine that Boeing wouldn't want to get these planes off the property...even at a substantial discount instead of having no value at all and taking up space on the ramp.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:46 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 59):
I can't imagine that Boeing wouldn't want to get these planes off the property...even at a substantial discount instead of having no value at all and taking up space on the ramp.

Supposedly they've already been shopping those around a bit. As efficient as a 787 is anyway vs. a 763, I would have to believe even one of these would be useful for the right price. Might have to settle for firesale prices, but getting say 80% of the benefit for a fraction of list price would be useful.
 
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Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:56 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing them buy the terrible teens and use them domestically on trunk routes.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:34 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 61):
I wouldn't mind seeing them buy the terrible teens and use them domestically on trunk routes.

Taking unreliable, overweight, non-standard airplanes and flying them hard with tight schedules? Sounds like a nightmare.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:49 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 62):

I meant more on hub to hub flights or to key cities. Where have you heard they're unreliable? And their weight wouldn't be a factor for domestic runs. If the price is right, it wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:37 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 62):
Taking unreliable, overweight, non-standard airplanes and flying them hard with tight schedules?

If they're unreliable, then scratch the whole idea. I wasn't aware that they were already flying or proven to be unreliable.

If the tight schedule is a concern there's always the 6 deep south flights that sit in Brazil and Chile for 12 hours every day. 4-GRU, 1-GIG and 1-SCL.

They'd no doubt be configured the same as the original 12 frames so domestic runs would probably not be feasible.

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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:57 am

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 40):
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 5):
AA and DL don't fly the extremely heavy premium of the UA 3 class aircraft. At 183 seats, the UA bird is 23 to 78 seats less than the several AA and DL configurations.

I don't know of any 261-seat DL 767-300ER international configs. Even the 764 is 246 in total. 763s are 2-class lie-flat with basic high J (36J) and low J (26J) configs with 208-226 seats total. AA's refurbed 763 with lie-flats is 209 total in two classes.

Perhaps you were thinking of DL's domestic 763s - not at all a relevant comparison.
Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 40):
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 5):
AA and DL don't fly the extremely heavy premium of the UA 3 class aircraft. At 183 seats, the UA bird is 23 to 78 seats less than the several AA and DL configurations.

I don't know of any 261-seat DL 767-300ER international configs. Even the 764 is 246 in total. 763s are 2-class lie-flat with basic high J (36J) and low J (26J) configs with 208-226 seats total. AA's refurbed 763 with lie-flats is 209 total in two classes.

Perhaps you were thinking of DL's domestic 763s - not at all a relevant comparison.
Quoting codc10 (Reply 47):
UA is said to be retaining 10 of 21 767-300ERs to be converted into a denser two-cabin configuration (76E at 30J/184Y). With 24 76E and 12 787-8, UA must be satisfied with its long-term fleet composition in the low-200 seat range.

Yes, I did a quick look at 763 configs and sorry I included the domestic one. In any case, UA must do something with their 183 seat premium heavy 763 3 class aircraft. Roughly 25 fewer seats than DL/AA.

While I assume the 11 763s to be kept will get the full 2 class retrofit, UA could just dump F and add about 25 Y seats without tearing out lavs/galleys, etc. The cost of an STC for a 2 class ITPE 763 would have to be gauged vs. years remaining to fly, costs of full vs. minimal retrofit, and hassle of having 2 different configs running around for a couple years - for what it's worth, at least now sCO and sUA crews follow their aircraft, so it may not be a big deal to have two different 2 cflass 763s in the fleet.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:07 am

Quoting windshear (Reply 51):
10 is like for starters, I mean it must be to test the figures or so.

Which makes no sense whatsoever. Why start a fleet of a plane that is soon to be obsolete? If they were DL and acquiring them secondhand, this would be a thought. But UA does not operate like that. Why build a fleet of 77Ws when the A3510 is just around the corner? But I hope they have some long term plan, because buying soon-to-be obsolete planes to avoid having to do D-checks on a few 744s is kind of like buying a new car to avoid having to put new tires on the old one. If, in fact, UA's 744s are bumping up against hard life limits it would be a different story, but I doubt very much that is the case. Expensive as D-checks are, they are peanuts compared to the cost of a new aircraft, and if that aircraft is not going to fulfill its life expectancy it is a very expensive alternative.
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:16 am

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 6):

The range of the A35J has changed, not so much for the 77W.

Do you have data to show?
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:24 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 65):
UA must do something with their 183 seat premium heavy 763 3 class aircraft. Roughly 25 fewer seats than DL/AA.

UA is doing something about them...the 11 3-cabin ones that are staying will be retrofitted to match the 14 2-cabin aircraft. That was discussed in detail when UA annouced that they were keeping 11 of them last quarter....
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:26 am

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 59):
I can't imagine that Boeing wouldn't want to get these planes off the property...even at a substantial discount instead of having no value at all and taking up space on the ramp.

I don't think Boeing would want to do that.

As I understand it the cost to manufacture the horrible teens were significantly higher ($300-400m per frame) than the latter build examples. As such they will be sold at a considerable loss.

Again, as I understand it the loss on sale will be reported in the Boeing accounts in the year they are delivered. Pacing the deliveries of these aircraft over multiple years and selling the aircraft to one off entities at higher sale prices might be advantages for Boeing.
 
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:58 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 65):

Ex-CO pilots can fly legacy UA metal and UA pilots can now fly ex-CO birds. The only exceptions are the 787 until later this year when the 25th is delivered and the 747 which is fenced.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:31 am

Quoting windshear (Reply 51):
10 is like for starters, I mean it must be to test the figures or so.

I don't think so. First of all, they are helping with the line and getting them, basically, for free. 10 allows them to replace some 747s immediately as well. Plus, there are some fleet commonalities.
And then if/when they order the 777X, it won't be so awkward.

Having a fleet of 10 777-300ERs and and 20 or so 777-9s (and/or -8s) doesn't sound too bad.
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:10 am

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 53):
No, it's a cashflow and operating cost exercise. On cashflow, no way to take on 10 789's and 10 77W's. On the operating cost, the 77W's will make a bigger financial benefit/impact by retiring 744's than the 789's would with the 763's that were to retire. Essentially the 10 763 conversions will cover those 789's for now.

So, retire 10 744's next year vs. retire 10 763's.

That makes total sense to me.

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 71):
getting them, basically, for free.

Huh?

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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:58 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 70):
The only exceptions are the 787 until later this year when the 25th is delivered and the 747 which is fenced.

That's not quite right, but close.

There are two fences, L-CAL pilots only for the 787s and L-UAL pilots only for the 747 until the 25th 787 is delivered or 5 years since the combined seniority list was issued (whichever happens first). The two fences come down at the same time which isn't clear in your post.
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:57 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 67):
Do you have data to show?

I do actually. It happened back in '13. Airbus increased the seating capacity of the 900 by 1 (314-315) and the 1000 by 19 (350-369)

http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamili...50xwbfamily/a350-1000/performance/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A350_XWB#A350-1000 (in this link you'll see the variance)
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:01 am

In light of the unexpected (and apparently urgent) order for 10 77Ws, is it possible that UA might convert 10 of the 35 A350-1000s it has on order to A350-900s or perhaps A330NEOs to make up for the 787-9s it traded away? This would keep the overall mix approximately equal (size-wise), but accelerate the arrival of aircraft capable of replacing the 747s. -ir
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:06 am

Quoting IslandRob (Reply 75):

No, United still retain a ton of 787 options.
 
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:10 am

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 74):
I do actually. It happened back in '13. Airbus increased the seating capacity of the 900 by 1 (314-315) and the 1000 by 19 (350-369)

OK, but I mean payload-range data. The claim was that the A350 can't carry the payload of the 77W.
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:11 am

Quoting Karadion (Reply 76):
No, United still retain a ton of 787 options.

Yes, I realize that. What I'm trying to figure out is whether UA still will need all 35 A350-1000s in light of the 10 77Ws, and, if not, how they might creatively restructure their order with Airbus. Regards. -ir
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:18 am

Quoting IslandRob (Reply 78):

Sorry, I misread. You're right however deliveries for the A35J happens in 2018 whereas deliveries for the 77W happens as early as 2016. A number of people pointed out that this is for fleet expansion rather than renewal. So I would imagine that they're still going to keep their 35 on hand.
 
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:38 am

Quoting IslandRob (Reply 78):

Yes, I realize that. What I'm trying to figure out is whether UA still will need all 35 A350-1000s in light of the 10 77Ws, and, if not, how they might creatively restructure their order with Airbus. Regards. -ir

Hmmm... The big question in my mind now, with the word of the 77W's replacing some 744's, the 351's supposedly replacing the rest of the 744's and some 772's(?), and the 788/789 replacing whatever else, how much of the upcoming 787/350/77W orders will be for Replacement vs Expansion?
 
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:04 am

I'm late to the party but this is just awesome either way. Told yall you can't just replace a 744 fleet with A359s  

The 77W I assume will be used quite a lot in Asia. I also suspect it to be used on some of the highest capacity TATL routes.
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:22 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 77):

Correct, payload is unchanged but one has to think that if those 20 seats make their way to the A35J by 2020, the added weight may or may not hurt the range/payload numbers.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:33 pm

Quoting IslandRob (Reply 75):
is it possible that UA might convert 10 of the 35 A350-1000s it has on order to A350-900s or perhaps A330NEOs to make up for the 787-9s it traded away?

Why? They have tons of options for 787s. All they need to do is exercise them.
A330NEOs are not going to happen at UA, so let's put that to rest now.

I do question, however, if the A350-900 is still a good plane for UA. To do make decent 772 replacements, but then again, so does 787-9s and 787-10s.
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:37 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 66):
Which makes no sense whatsoever. Why start a fleet of a plane that is soon to be obsolete? If they were DL and acquiring them secondhand, this would be a thought. But UA does not operate like that. Why build a fleet of 77Ws when the A3510 is just around the corner?

Why did DL buy A333's? It made sense for them. Enough about DL.

Any news from the earnings release today on the delivery plans for these birds?
 
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:09 pm

UA conference call stated the 773ER rumor is not confirmed, but UA is considering the aircraft and it would be non-incremental, in other words a swap with 787 options. It is not shown in the fleet update for 2015.
 
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Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:13 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 83):

The combination of 789 and 78J completely renders the 359 unnecessary.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:23 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 83):
I do question, however, if the A350-900 is still a good plane for UA.
Quoting a380787 (Reply 86):
The combination of 789 and 78J completely renders the 359 unnecessary.

UA does hold 40 A350 family options so there is a possibility of adding the A350-900 in the future, perhaps as a 777-200ER replacement for some TPAC missions where traffic is too much for a 787-9, but not enough for an A350-1000 (much as DL is doing).
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:42 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 85):
The combination of 789 and 78J completely renders the 359 unnecessary.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 87):
UA does hold 40 A350 family options so there is a possibility of adding the A350-900 in the future, perhaps as a 777-200ER replacement for some TPAC missions where traffic is too much for a 787-9, but not enough for an A350-1000 (much as DL is doing).

I kind of agree with Stitch more. They do have a significant amount of A350 options, so it's not impossible to think that the A359 would work after all, where the 787-9/-10 is too little, but the A350-1000/77W/777X is too much.

However, while they do have A350 options, I feel that if they do opt for the A321neoLR, those options will be used to acquire those.
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:27 am

Jeff was very clear that any new orders would not be incremental. I think that's an interesting point for this order. Sounds like it would be a one time thing.

[Edited 2015-01-22 19:33:21]
 
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Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:26 am

Really hope that 777-300ER makes it into United's fleet. 350-1000 is just too small.
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:06 am

Quoting An-225 (Reply 90):

Really hope that 777-300ER makes it into United's fleet. 350-1000 is just too small.

They are essentially the same size...
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:31 am

Quoting An-225 (Reply 90):
Really hope that 777-300ER makes it into United's fleet. 350-1000 is just too small.

What's the size difference? Which is the more efficient and significantly cheaper to operate?
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:51 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 92):
Quoting An-225 (Reply 90):Really hope that 777-300ER makes it into United's fleet. 350-1000 is just too small.
What's the size difference? Which is the more efficient and significantly cheaper to operate?

Of course that last comment will be significantly affected by the acquisition cost won't it. That seems to be the standard line when an airline decides to acquire an older aircraft type that's not as fuel efficient as the whizz bang modern aircraft that's meant to be a replacement. I remember that line being used often for 330 v 787 comparisons.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:07 pm

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-potential-777-300er-order-408215/

Good read here. Says that they will remove 2 744's and take 11 - 9's, 2 used 737-700's, 23 new 737-900's and 11 E 175's.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:46 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 94):

Quite interesting.

Quote:
“To be clear, the rumoured 777s that… we're looking at are not incremental airplanes,” adds Jeff Smisek, chairman and chief executive of United, forestalling any ideas that the airline was considering growing its widebody fleet.
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:47 pm

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 94):
11 E 175's.

They're actually adding 45 ERJ-175s in 2015, not sure where that 11 comes from.
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:57 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 96):

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 94):
11 E 175's.

They're actually adding 45 ERJ-175s in 2015, not sure where that 11 comes from.

49 E175s are coming online actually....11 is the number that are actually going to be purchased by UA and operated by other airlines.
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:31 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 97):
49 E175s are coming online actually

I'm actually just as happy with this stat as I am with the 789 additions.

The 50-seaters were absolutely killing UA in many markets where the competitors had an 'adult-sized' plane. I can't tell you how frustrating it is to see so many passengers give out a collective "ugh" when that E145 pulls up to the gate next to a competitor's 737 at the adjacent gate headed to the same destination.
 
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RE: United To Order 777-300ERs - Part 2

Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:48 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 98):

I know 2-class RJ's are never going to be mainline, but I agree that if given the choice I will take more 2-class service any day. It's just not realistic to expect them to deploy more mainline when they can offer 2-class RJ service to those marginal markets where there is "business" traffic but not enough volume to justify 100+ seats.

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