Name That Airport (1960s)

727LOVER · Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:52 pm

DLPMMM · Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:47 pm

#1. Indy.

#2 Boston

#18 must be Kansas City or JFK...I think Kansas city. Those were the only TWA hubs then, and that many planes at the same time would only be at a hub.

mrcomet · Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:51 pm

I am pretty sure #1 and #3 are ORD

mrcomet · Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:57 pm

Would have been fun to travel on some of those birds.

#8 looks like SFO but could be ORD

Cubsrule · Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:10 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
ORD?

I'm pretty sure numer 1 is ORD. TW and AC were both in G. I believe the picture is facing H.

[Edited 2015-01-21 09:10:24]

DLPMMM · Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting mrcomet (Reply 2):
I am pretty sure #1 and #3 are ORD

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
I'm pretty sure numer 1 is ORD. TW and AC were both in G. I believe the picture is facing H.

For #1.

If you go to the next slide in the slide show (153), the same picture is used with all the apparently original info, stating it was taken in 1968 at IND.

727LOVER · Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:24 pm

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 5):
For #1.

If you go to the next slide in the slide show (153), the same picture is used with all the apparently original info, stating it was taken in 1968 at IND.

I had noticed that before...but it does NOT look like IND. Would AC have served IND way back then?

727LOVER · Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:29 pm

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
#18 must be Kansas City or JFK...I think Kansas city

That would be my guess also, old KC Airport..those aircraft look stored/retired. Is that where they sat after being pulled in 1967, I believe?

N766UA · Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:45 pm

#2 looks like Boston to me too. I do believe that's Winthrop in the background!

jsnww81 · Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:58 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
#11
I am VERY curious about this one
http://plus.google.com/photos/110240...45676

#11 is MSY. That is the original Concourse D in the background. Individual gate holdrooms with jetways were added in the mid-1960s, and the extension with gates for Delta widebodies was built in the early 1970s.

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
#19
Someone has guessed CVG...can someone confirm
http://plus.google.com/photos/110240...45676

That is CVG; the original terminal from 1947 that today forms the rump of the (closed) Terminal A. Prior to 1974 it was the only terminal at the airport.

Cubsrule · Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:05 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
I had noticed that before...but it does NOT look like IND. Would AC have served IND way back then?

I don't think NC served IND around then either. The October, 1972 timetable on Departed Flights shows no service to IND.

WA707atMSP · Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:32 pm

10 is definitely JFK, with the NW-NE-BN terminal (now terminal 2) in the background.

1 is definitely ORD, looking from G to H.

The caption on 8 says IDL. There is a Loftledir aircraft in the background, at the far right of the picture, and I think IDL / JFK was Loftledir's only US city in the 1960s.

#12 looks a lot like JFK to me, with the approach lights extending into the water in the background...but I wonder why Flying Tigers and Eastern would have been at the same terminal.

yeogeo · Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:38 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
I'm pretty sure numer 1 is ORD. TW and AC were both in G. I believe the picture is facing H.

I completely agree. The look of the terminal and those lights are distinctive to ORD.

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Perhaps the next photo's caption is referring to the destination of the TWA bird? or is simply incorrect.
If anyone can come up with terminal views in IND that resemble those pictured above I'd be very surprised!

yeo

timz · Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:17 pm

First guess for #4 is LGA.

The letters in the lower left corner mark #7 as Idlewild.

#15 probably Europe?

#18-- with the RR track, how about Fairfax?

[Edited 2015-01-21 11:27:30]

rampart · Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:03 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
#20
Someone has guessed EWR...can someone confirm?
http://plus.google.com/photos/110240...45676

I agree, EWR. I believe that's the Pulaski Skyway in the background.

Quoting timz (Reply 13):
#18-- with the RR track, how about Fairfax?

My thought as well. Just across the river from KCI, and could have been used for storage of TWA aircraft, and did have maintenance there. However, MCI and TWA's maintenance facility were in place by 1961, so not sure.

-Rampart

YXwatcherMKE · Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:37 pm

#1 is with out of dough it is ORD. I spent a a great deal of time in the late 60's and the 70's at ORD. And #8 is ORD as well, the hanger in the background is UA's on the west end of the airport that has been taken down for the runway expansion. I don't believe #3 is ORD.
#9 is in deed MIA. When I traveled with Grandparents to Florida on NW, we went to MIA twice and TPA twice. That picture was an instant blast from the past memory. We had to walk past all the parked 727's on that concourse listing to Grandma asking why we could not had parked that plane we were on closer to the baggage claim area, I could not her to understand that a 747 can't use those gates.

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WA707atMSP · Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:03 pm

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 15):
And #8 is ORD as well, the hanger in the background is UA's on the west end of the airport that has been taken down for the runway expansion.

I'm still skeptical #8 is ORD. AA did not park aircraft on both sides of the alley at ORD until the mid 1980s, after DL moved to Concourse L, but they did park aircraft on both sides of the alley at IDL / JFK.

I wonder if UA built identical hangars at ORD and IDL / JFK in the late 1950s, like AA did at LAX and SFO in the late 1960s?

timz · Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:19 pm

#8 says IDL-- any reason to doubt that? (Note the Vertol, presumably NY AIrways.)

[Edited 2015-01-21 13:20:53]

dc8jet · Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:57 pm

1. ORD
2. BOS
6. BOS
7. IDL
8. IDL
9. MIA
13. BWI
14. EWR
18. MKC
20. EWR

timz · Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:25 pm

Quoting dc8jet (Reply 19):
18. MKC

I'm guessing no RR that close to the tarmac at MKC. What would it be for? Can you find one on the topo map?

[Edited 2015-01-21 15:28:29]

triholer · Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:51 am

Cool! Thanks!

Number 1 is beyond a doubt concourse H at ORD. I have seen that view more times than I can count.

I think #5 may be DCA as well, since it appears that the treeline in the background is separated from the airport by a body of water. It's a bit difficult to compare with the present, since the opposing side of the Potomac is currently far more built up with the Anacostia-Bolling base and NRL. The rail in the foreground looks like the observation platform outside the main lobby of terminal A.

I'll also corroborate the Pulaski in the background of #20, in favor of EWR. Similarly, I believe the building in the background of #14 is the Anheuser-Busch plant in Newark.

ilyag · Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:52 am

#10 is most certainly IDL with the T2 building at the background

Buyantukhaa · Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:23 am

Quoting timz (Reply 13):
#15 probably Europe?

Maybe ZRH?

LH526 · Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:53 am

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 23):
Maybe ZRH?

ZRH Tower looked differently .. I suppose #15 and #16 are from the same day and airport ...

BN727227Ultra · Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:09 pm

Quoting timz (Reply 20):

Quoting dc8jet (Reply 19):
18. MKC

I'm guessing no RR that close to the tarmac at MKC. What would it be for? Can you find one on the topo map?

While there is a huge rail yard across MO-9 from MKC, I don't recall any railroad tracks on the airport itself. Since I never got over to Fairfax, I'll go with that

By the time I got to KC in 1971, the MCI maint base was lousy with 880s, in both TWA and some outfit named Air Manila paint jobs. I never saw anything stored at MKC--there wasn't any room!

BN727227Ultra · Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:12 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
STL

That was the month of my birth, my Mom's side of the family probably flew up on EA from ATL.

Poor old STL--those 707s were less than three years old and the pride of their respective fleets. Can you imagine STL getting 787 or A330 service now?

[Edited 2015-01-22 04:14:33]

EWRandMDW · Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:18 pm

Quoting TriHoler (Reply 21):
Similarly, I believe the building in the background of #14 is the Anheuser-Busch plant in Newark.

I also think that is the Anheuser-Busch brewery. One thing, though, is I don't see the old "toothbrush" control tower and from the angle I think it should be easily visible. When was it erected? I assume if it wasn't up yet the tower in the old Administration Building was then in use?

mark2fly1034 · Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:23 pm

#2 is Boston I as it has the word Boston in the file saved info

eadc8 · Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:47 pm

Quoting rampart (Reply 14):
Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
#20
Someone has guessed EWR...can someone confirm?
http://plus.google.com/photos/110240...45676

I agree, EWR. I believe that's the Pulaski Skyway in the background.

That's the NJTP Bay Extension in the background. The Pulaski Skyway is further north. It's definitely EWR though.

Beatyair · Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:57 pm

Fantastic! Thanks to the the photos. It sure tells you how far we have come. I love the lack of security with some of the photo where people go to be right up close to the planes.

timz · Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:06 pm

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 27):
When was it [old EWR tower] erected?

Opened 1960 I think-- not later than 1961. I'm guessing it's just out of the pic to the left. Compare http://www.flickr.com/photos/jorgphoto/10806599975/

[Edited 2015-01-22 13:35:57]

oly720man · Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:30 pm

Quoting lh526 (Reply 24):
I suppose #15 and #16 are from the same day and airport ...

They are different aircraft. The one next to the control tower has 4 cabin windows lower than the rest just behind the cockpit, the other one has just 2 windows.

4 windows for the L-049 and 2 windows for the L-749

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Looking at the one taxying in, does it look like a name on the hillside in the background under the starboard outer engine? I'm trying to decide whether it's white letters or black letters on a white background.

[Edited 2015-01-23 05:36:17]

timz · Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:18 pm

The 749 in #15 presumably has radar-- wonder when it got that and how long 749s continued to fly transatlantic after that.

rampart · Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:14 pm

Quoting EADC8 (Reply 29):
That's the NJTP Bay Extension in the background. The Pulaski Skyway is further north.

Yes, that's better. Thanks for the correction.

Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 25):
While there is a huge rail yard across MO-9 from MKC, I don't recall any railroad tracks on the airport itself. Since I never got over to Fairfax, I'll go with that

MCI may well be correct. But, check out this listing in the "Abandoned and Little Known Airports" website, http://www.airfields-freeman.com/KS/Airfields_KS_E.htm#fairfax, has a history of Fairfax Airport. Scroll through the maps and images (none are numbered, so hard to indicate), and find the map with the caption

Quote:
A map of Fairfax Airport from the book “Fairfax Industrial District”, published by the Union Pacific Railroad (courtesy of Rex Ricks), showing the GM Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac Assembly Plant at the northwest, the TWA hangar at the southeast, and several Navy & Army hangars.

The map is published by Union Pacific, and clearly shows in red the rail lines adjacent to the airport. The north end of the airport, adjacent to the GM Plant, has rail sidings bordering tarmac, as indicated in the #18 picture. The TWA hangar is labeled in the southeast corner of the field, with nearby but not adjacent railroad tracks. Unfortunately, no date on the map, presumably late 40s or early 50s. It's the presence of apron and RR track that shows, though. What do you think?

-Rampart

timz · Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:11 pm

No reason to look for any RR tracks at MCI. Fairfax built B-25s, didn't it? Presumably the tracks there are at least that old.

In other news: EWR's tower opened January 1960.

Viscount724 · Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:58 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Would AC have served IND way back then?

No they did not.

Viscount724 · Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:09 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
ORD?

I'm pretty sure number 1 is ORD. TW and AC were both in G. I believe the picture is facing H.

AC used gate G-1 at ORD for many years. The other dozen or so gates in the G pier then were used by TWA.

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sparky35805 · Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:14 am

Number 15 with the TWA L-749 looks like DCA.The 749-749As got radar 1959-61.The deadline was January 1962.The L1049A's,L-049's,along with the Martin 404's were retired from TWA's fleet before radar was installed.Some of the 749A's soldiered on until April 1967.

skywaymanaz · Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:33 pm

Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 25):
I never saw anything stored at MKC--there wasn't any room!

I can't think of where TWA would have had the ramp space to park that many Connies either. Any rail line into MKC would have had to cross the Broadway Extension freeway (now US 169). I think that was the first freeway built in Kansas City and was there in the Connie era. There is nowhere under the freeway to cross except where the roads do right by the old TWA building (now Signature FBO). I read the Connies were scrapped at MCI but I can't think of any rail lines anywhere near there. KCK was in the river bottoms on the Kansas side and that looks like a river levee in the background. It's hard to tell and been so long since I've flown in there but it looks like the southeast part of the airport where there's a mini rail yard now.

rampart · Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:27 pm

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 39):
KCK was in the river bottoms on the Kansas side and that looks like a river levee in the background. It's hard to tell and been so long since I've flown in there but it looks like the southeast part of the airport where there's a mini rail yard now.

Yes. See the map I references in reply #34. I agree, that could be a river levee in the background.

Rampart

CWAFlyer · Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:25 pm

I am going to guess that #18 is STL. It looks like the area on the far north of the airport where the MDD/Boeing plant is now. Since the Kansas City heavy maintenance had been moved to the overhaul base where the MCI airport is now, I don't know why they would have flown any retired airplanes there. Maybe some ex-TWA folks that worked in KC at that time could shed some light on this.

global2 · Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:59 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 11):

10 is definitely JFK, with the NW-NE-BN terminal (now terminal 2) in the background.

Good call! And EA's terminal was next door (now Terminal 1).

This has been a wonderfully enjoyable thread. The EA Connie in #1 in the modern hockey-stick livery just took my breath away!
Notice all the people in the photos, inside the terminals, out on the tarmac, or on an observation deck: posing, smiling, waving, all looking excited to fly somewhere back when air travel really was considered something very special.

timz · Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:01 pm

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 41):

I am going to guess that #18 is STL.

RR tracks on the north side of the McDonnell factory-- nowhere else at STL?

timz · Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:18 pm

Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 38):
Number 15 with the TWA L-749 looks like DCA.

I'm guessing you can't find a skyline like that at DCA. Which way do you think the camera is pointed?

timz · Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:56 am

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 9):
#11 is MSY.

Where would that pier be in this pic?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/16311106561/sizes/o/

CWAFlyer · Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:58 am

Quoting timz (Reply 43):
RR tracks on the north side of the McDonnell factory-- nowhere else at STL?

Don't know. Might not even be STL. Just a guess on my part based on where the tracks are next to a paved ramp area and a parking lot. I don't know how big the MDD plant was around this time. The RR tracks at Fairfax are not close enough to any of the paved areas large enough to park 11 airplanes.

BN727227Ultra · Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:19 am

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 46):

Quoting timz (Reply 43):
RR tracks on the north side of the McDonnell factory-- nowhere else at STL?

Don't know. Might not even be STL. Just a guess on my part based on where the tracks are next to a paved ramp area and a parking lot. I don't know how big the MDD plant was around this time. The RR tracks at Fairfax are not close enough to any of the paved areas large enough to park 11 airplanes.

There were sidings off the Wabash/Norfolk & Western/Norfolk Southern on the north side of the airport, one crossed Banshee Rd and went into MDD. I never saw any railroad cars moving around the plant or stored there. I looked at Google Maps and it's possible that the siding was to bring fuel and possibly paint into the plant, and now both sidings have been cut.

The MDD plant is sprawling, but a lot of the plant tenants are acrually subcontractors and other aviation-related companies that might not have any relation to MDD. It's really quite quiet compared to the days during the Vietnam War when Phantom IIs were being churned out. Again going back to Google Maps, there was no traffic on Banshee when the photos were taken.

Getting back to possible TWA storage; I never saw any aircraft stored there. If TWA were to do that, I'd expect it'd be near their maint hangar at the southeast corner of Lambert.

CWAFlyer · Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:43 pm

Quoting BN727227Ultra (Reply 47):
There were sidings off the Wabash/Norfolk & Western/Norfolk Southern on the north side of the airport, one crossed Banshee Rd and went into MDD. I never saw any railroad cars moving around the plant or stored there. I looked at Google Maps and it's possible that the siding was to bring fuel and possibly paint into the plant, and now both sidings have been cut.

The MDD plant is sprawling, but a lot of the plant tenants are acrually subcontractors and other aviation-related companies that might not have any relation to MDD. It's really quite quiet compared to the days during the Vietnam War when Phantom IIs were being churned out. Again going back to Google Maps, there was no traffic on Banshee when the photos were taken.

Getting back to possible TWA storage; I never saw any aircraft stored there. If TWA were to do that, I'd expect it'd be near their maint hangar at the southeast corner of Lambert.

I did find a cool article that Clint Groves wrote about being a new mechanic for TWA in Kansas City around this time period. Connies were flown to MCI and Fairfax to be scraped or prepared to be taken up by another carrier. If this photo is in fact STL, it's possible that these airplanes were parked here only temporarily until they were flown elsewhere.

I guess my question regarding the size of the MDD plant around this time is in regard to the area just to the East of N. LIndbergh Blvd. Did buildings exist at this point in that area or were those put up at a later time?

BN727227Ultra · Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:51 am

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 48):
If this photo is in fact STL, it's possible that these airplanes were parked here only temporarily until they were flown elsewhere.

I went onto Historicaerials.com and looked at Lambert in 1958 and 1971. The railroad tracks never got anywhere near a place where aircraft were, not MDD, not Lambert. There was a FBOish area at the NW corner of the airfrield, where Banshee turned southwest from paralleling the Wabash to paralleling Lindbergh. Again, no railroad siding existed as appeared in the picture. But this FBO did have some stored aircraft, I remember an ex-OZ DC-3 being there for a few years. I never saw any stored airliners anywhere at STL. (Also at the FBO, I saw my first United aircraft, a 727 bringing the Boston Patriots in to play the football Cardinals, so this was 1970 after the NFL/AFL merger.)

Quoting CWAFlyer (Reply 48):
I guess my question regarding the size of the MDD plant around this time is in regard to the area just to the East of N. LIndbergh Blvd. Did buildings exist at this point in that area or were those put up at a later time?

I compared 1958 to 1971 and saw little difference east of Lindbergh.

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