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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:46 am

PC-12/45 VH-KWO (c/n 363) arrived AKL from SYD about 1445. Presume this is one of the two aircraft for Sounds Air. Built in 2001, so slightly more than 10 years old. The other aircraft could be VH-MWO (c/n 379).

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:07 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 49):
It is indicative of an airline cutting costs by machete not by dremmel.

"Dremmel" ? Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about... could you please explain ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:55 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 40):

I've also been having these same thoughts about NZs international product - especially short haul. I personally feel that long haul, especially on the USA/YVR service, the service (food/drinks etc) available is pretty good in terms of length of flight and the fact that half the flight everyone is trying to sleep/rest. The cabin on the other hand isn't desirable especially since NZ is the only direct carrier where the B77W (and soon to be refitted 772) operates to. As a result of being the only carrier, the airfares certainly show it.

In regards to short haul and S2S, I really don't like how with the food options, you can't choose a meal without having to pay for baggage - even if you don't need/want baggage. QF are fully able to provide a meal/baggage/PTVs for the same fare as NZs seat only so sadly QF are becoming more of an option.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:28 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 52):
I've also been having these same thoughts about NZs international product ...... As a result of being the only carrier, the airfares certainly show it.

This is the rub. It's all very well to say "well if you don't like NZ's product, go elsewhere instead of bleating here" - but NZ enjoy a monopolistic route network out of NZ. We may prefer other airlines' products (I certainly do) but if you regularly fly between NZ and the USA, there are no other non-stop options. So the discomfort threshold for us is set a lot higher than it otherwise might be if NZ had serious competition.

NZ know this of course; that's how they get away with charging such high fares to the US for such a rubbish product. And if I had other options, and NZ wasn't a nationally owned carrier, this wouldn't bother me in the slightest. But I don't, it is, and it does.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:08 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 51):
"Dremmel" ? Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about... could you please explain ?

It's a top quality rotary power drill that looks like a dentist drill. highly effective for detailing and precise sanding drilling carving etc. The polar opposite to the machete.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:10 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 54):
It's a top quality rotary power drill that looks like a dentist drill. highly effective for detailing and precise sanding drilling carving etc. The polar opposite to the machete.

OK, a pretty obscure reference, but I get the point ( no pun intended) . Thanks
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:40 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 53):

Exactly! NZ fully knows how they can charge a good fare as you don't really have many direct (or slight detour) options. FJ and HA provide excellent options to the USA. In terms of HA, if you want to go somewhere, where they don't fly to, its either a more expensive fare from HNL or flying to the mainland with HA and arriving at a time where its late. Flying via Australia certainly adds 8+ hours to the total travel time but its way cheaper. Next week I'm flying via MEL for half the price NZ was asking for, for a USA flight. I arrive at my destination at 6.30pm eastern date time but if I took NZ, I wouldn't arrive till about 10pm that night. That arrival time would only be possible cause its summer here and the earlier SFO departure time. During our winter, if I took NZ I wouldn't arrive till 9am the following day
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:59 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 38):
Are we likely to see NZ follow others i.e QF,JQ - and remove the "fuel Surcharge"? as oil has dropped a lot in the last few months- they haven't said anything yet..

Didn't NZ drop it a couple years back, and make it apart of the fare?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:29 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 56):
During our winter, if I took NZ I wouldn't arrive till 9am the following day

That's changed. Apr-Oct 2015 NZ4 AKL-LAX 1545/0900 Mo Th Sa

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:36 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 58):
That's changed. Apr-Oct 2015 NZ4 AKL-LAX 1545/0900 Mo Th Sa

Hoorah! Such a pity they don't make it 1400 arriving at 0700 and then turn it straight around, but baby steps...
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:42 am

Makes me more and more curious about the AA rumours to AKL being spread... It just makes me wonder if AA would operate it from LAX or DFW. I'm looking forward to this announcement, whenever it may be.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:52 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 59):

The new NZ4 departure time carries on into the 2015/2016 summer schedule
From 02 Nov 2015 NZ4 AKL-LAX 1600/0715 Mo Th Sa. (instead of 2030/1145)
From 13 Dec 2015 NZ14 AKL-SFO 1545/0710 We Fr Su. (same as this summer)

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:03 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 59):

If only.... It would be back in AKL, ready for another longhaul flight that evening, before it is even currently scheduled to leave LAX. If they turned a 7:00am LAX Arrival straight around leaving at say 9:00am, it could make it back to AKL by 5:00pm, and still catch several domestic services, as well as NZ/VA evening service to SYD/MEL/BNE. It may even get some feed from early morning US domestic destinations.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:24 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 53):

Agree entirely, it's my reason for changing to some sort of divided loyalty system, where I only fly NZ short-haul where comfort doesn't matter so much (to me personally). If I can avoid it I will not fly NZ long haul, if I'm off to Europe it's SQ or CX now for me, if it's Asia I will fly with SQ and stop in Singapore despite NZ flying there. NZ still has my patronage to North America, although these are the services that I have most experience with, and I feel that the hard product was the first thing to take a nosedive, for the first few times the crew and other soft product offerings were still decent. But recently I think the crew have started to deteriorate (I bet they hate the 10 abreast economy, they look noticeably more uncomfortable).

For me, I could stand the 10 abreast seating as I'm not very big, but now that the service has started going downhill I just think that NZ has lost much of its appeal to me, after decades of loyalty from my family, we are flying on other airlines without any ill-feeling as they provide better products and services for lower prices often. Even my (very patriotic) grandfather who only flies business will not touch NZ's business class if there's another option, I convinced him to fly with CX once, and he basically said that NZ is only a last resort to him where there are no other non-stop options after experiencing CX to Europe. It's a rising sentiment here, and it's sad, but I guess it's the reality. The execs at NZ haven't taken notice, and it might come back to bite them one day.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:10 pm

Brisbane-based Alliance Airlines has launched charter operations in New Zealand. According to the a press release from the Airline, a four year contract has been executed with US based Tauck (operator of tours, river cruises etc.) which will involve operating flights in Australia and New Zealand (Presumably this will be with Fokker 70 or Fokker 100 equipment?).

Revised Charter Operations Routemap - January 2015

http://www.allianceairlines.com.au/images/cp---about-us/large_map.png?sfvrsn=2
Source - Alliance Airlines
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:16 pm

Take a look at some of the comments in this article. the travelling public may have been noticing airnz's penny pinching after all
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...-zealand-drip-pricing-investigated
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:42 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 64):
Brisbane-based Alliance Airlines has launched charter operations in New Zealand

VH-FKO F50 has been here for a few weeks flying around the country. I expect it will be a mix of this aircraft and F70/100s rotated through AKL. Pretty much looks like they have inherited a few Vincent Aviation type ops.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:09 pm

Has Air NZ licensed Skycouch to Air Astana, they have just announced Economy Sleeper which is three economy seats which turn into a bed, a la Skycouch.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:24 pm

Anyone know how to get on one of the Alliance charter flights here?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:36 pm

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 63):
But recently I think the crew have started to deteriorate

I think Rob Fyfe has something to answer for there. He actively promoted a casual, relaxed style of personal interaction from the crew (I think the "atmosphere of a Kiwi bbq" were the words he used). Say what you like about this approach; but it is a very short step from this standpoint to letting professionalism slip, and achieving this balance was something some NZ crew struggled with.

In actual fact I think NZ crew are the same as they always have been been - never dreadful, but varying from mediocre to absolutely stellar depending on who you strike on the day.

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 63):
Even my (very patriotic) grandfather who only flies business will not touch NZ's business class if there's another option

This is something we don't often discuss - probably because it feels churlish and hedonistic to complain about any business class product, but NZ's business class is sub-par and overpriced too. The herringbone layout exists only to maximise seats per cabin while still providing a lie flat product. Personal space is still pretty minimal. The meal service is competent and tightly choreographed (EK could learn a thing or two here) but once meal service is done, attentiveness and service disappears. None of these criticisms are huge - NZ's business class product is quite okay really - but again, it's priced in a bracket far higher than it should be for what it provides.

Where on NZ's network do you get appropriate value for money??? Occasionally on the Tasman, with the non-refundable Y fares. Often on the domestic main trunk. Flights to PER are usually appropriately priced considering the duration of the flight. Aside from specials to Japan and China to fill seats at the last minute, I really struggle to think of other examples.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:30 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 69):
Say what you like about this approach; but it is a very short step from this standpoint to letting professionalism slip, and achieving this balance was something some NZ crew struggled with.

Yes, I found it very ironic when I last flew to LHR about 16 months ago with NZ, the NZ based crew on the AKL-LAX leg were very unprofessional I thought, and ranged from far too "kiwi BBQ" to uptight and superior. The UK-based crew from LAX-LHR were actually great, chatty enough, but efficient, more attentive and professional. I agree that it does depend on the particular crew, but I definitely noticed better consistency with UK based crews from what I saw. I guess that inconsistency between crews is part of the overall problem.

Quoting gasman (Reply 69):
This is something we don't often discuss - probably because it feels churlish and hedonistic to complain about any business class product, but NZ's business class is sub-par and overpriced too.

It's just a matter of comparisons, NZ's hard product is below standard, but the meals are apparently very good. It's just when you can go to a travel agent and get similar pricing on CX or SQ to UK/Europe, which is relatively easy to do, it's a no brainer, you get the whole package with much better hard product and more consistent soft product. But granted NZ does have a good business class, it just isn't anything to shout about, like they think it is, and what they charge for.

Quoting gasman (Reply 69):
Where on NZ's network do you get appropriate value for money?

I consistently get good prices when flying NZ domestically, and across the tasman. But that's about where it ends. I am in the early stages of planning a trip to the US early next year, and looking at flight prices, I can fly to JFK return using UA via SYD (with the tasman flight being codeshared with NZ) for about $1500! Whereas flying with NZ via LAX (codesharing with UA on the JFK leg of course) is looking to be about $1500 one way. I know the NZ flight is much more convenient, but it is looking to be more than twice the price of UA, I cannot ignore that huge difference in price.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 70):
t. But granted NZ does have a good business class, it just isn't anything to shout about, like they think it is, and what they charge for.

What are you talking about? NZ have the best Business class from NZ to the USA, Canada, Japan, Hawaii and Perth  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:16 pm

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 70):
I can fly to JFK return using UA via SYD (with the tasman flight being codeshared with NZ) for about $1500! Whereas flying with NZ via LAX (codesharing with UA on the JFK leg of course) is looking to be about $1500 one way.

There are only two possible explanations for this.

1. UA is taking an horrific, unsustainable loss on this route. They have no business sense whatsoever.
2. NZ are fleecing us to the tune of $1500 more than what would be necessary to make the route viable from a business sense.

Take your pick. And don't forget, on UA you will get a product that is at the very least no worse than 10 abreast in Y on a 777.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:15 am

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 70):
I can fly to JFK return using UA via SYD (with the tasman flight being codeshared with NZ) for about $1500! Whereas flying with NZ via LAX (codesharing with UA on the JFK leg of course) is looking to be about $1500 one way.

I'd grab that (United) fare, because I just checked the United website, and the lowest I was offered was $1900 - one way - and $1900 return - $3800 all up.

It didn't offer me a SYD option, but when I checked SYD-JFK, the lowest offered was $1500 - one way. I chose dates in August, because it wouldn't let me load past the end of this year.

Air NZ, on the other hand, same dates, offered me $1300 each way.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:16 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 69):
NZ's business class product is quite okay really - but again, it's priced in a bracket far higher than it should be for what it provides.


Agreed !
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:53 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 72):
There are only two possible explanations for this.

1. UA is taking an horrific, unsustainable loss on this route. They have no business sense whatsoever.
2. NZ are fleecing us to the tune of $1500 more than what would be necessary to make the route viable from a business sense.

There is another option, and IMHO the most likely: From their home markets, the home carriers are often the most expensive. I had flights from AKL to Germany (first leg NZ and 2nd leg LH). For exactly the same flights, just on the NZ leg either an NZ flight number or an LH flight number, LH was $600 cheaper. This is not unusual. LH is usually more expensive in Germany (for tickets from Germany to NZ) than NZ tickets, KL in/from Holland, etc... Lots of reasons for that, not the least due to loyal home-based FFs. The main problem as an NZ Star Gold card holder, you can't request upgrades (neither recognition norpaid) on LH ticketed tickets, nor NZ operated legs under LH codeshare number.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:12 am

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 75):
Quoting gasman (Reply 72):
There are only two possible explanations for this.

1. UA is taking an horrific, unsustainable loss on this route. They have no business sense whatsoever.
2. NZ are fleecing us to the tune of $1500 more than what would be necessary to make the route viable from a business sense.

There is another option, and IMHO the most likely: From their home markets, the home carriers are often the most expensive. I had flights from AKL to Germany (first leg NZ and 2nd leg LH). For exactly the same flights, just on the NZ leg either an NZ flight number or an LH flight number, LH was $600 cheaper. This is not unusual. LH is usually more expensive in Germany (for tickets from Germany to NZ) than NZ tickets, KL in/from Holland, etc... Lots of reasons for that, not the least due to loyal home-based FFs. The main problem as an NZ Star Gold card holder, you can't request upgrades (neither recognition norpaid) on LH ticketed tickets, nor NZ operated legs under LH codeshare number.

Which in fact is just another way of wording option 2.

I've heard the argument about home carriers being the most expensive, and I can buy it - to an extent. For example, through the eighties and nineties NZ was always slightly more expensive - it'd cost approx $250 more than a fare on SIA to LHR for example. I'd pay it gladly, because it was NZ and you'd be getting a great comfortable, familiar and reliable product. Not so anymore however. The fare differentials we're seeing now along with the product downgrades are something else entirely.

In terms of frequent flier status.......... I am trying hard to wean myself from this mentality. In the past I have gone to silly lengths to maintain Star Alliance Gold, and it doesn't benefit me much really. Most of the time I'm in J it's being paid for. Yes, occasionally I get lounge access I wouldn't have otherwise had; but airport terminals, unlike the aircraft they serve, seem to be getting more passenger friendly by the year. Lounges on the other hand are often very crowded and in my world are becoming superfluous.


Woah.............

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:24 am

Quoting Kiwirob (Reply 67):
Has Air NZ licensed Skycouch to Air Astana, they have just announced Economy Sleeper which is three economy seats which turn into a bed, a la Skycouch.

I haven't heard anything.. The only official licensee is China Airlines.

Quoting gasman (Reply 72):
And don't forget, on UA you will get a product that is at the very least no worse than 10 abreast in Y on a 777.

It's not that bad. Especially if you have *G and can get the Economy Plus seating (34", otherwise 32", so as good legroom as NZ but far wider). 9-abreast, decent selection of movies and some meals are actually ok. I've slept for 12 hours straight in Y on a UA 772. But each to their own - I'll happily have an empty cabin to myself!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:38 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 76):

The AUD/NZD exchange rate would account for some of it. Depends on when the fares were issued.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:59 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 78):

The fare was in New Zealand dollars
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:18 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 79):
The fare was in New Zealand dollars

It will be an AUD fare converted to NZD.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:51 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 80):
Quoting gasman (Reply 79):
The fare was in New Zealand dollars

It will be an AUD fare converted to NZD.

I'm not sure what your point is - NZD$1620 SYD-JFK return is an excellent fare, regardless of what currency it's being converted from. The cheapest fare on NZ for AKL-JFK on the same dates was just over $2600.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:23 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 81):
I'm not sure what your point is - NZD$1620 SYD-JFK return is an excellent fare, regardless of what currency it's being converted from. The cheapest fare on NZ for AKL-JFK on the same dates was just over $2600.

You cant compare SYD-JFK to AKL-JFK. Have just looked, and SYD-AKL-LAX/SFO-JFK for $1660 AUD return. I know i would much rather pay the extra $100 or so than to endure UA on a longhaul pacific crossing.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:15 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 81):
I'm not sure what your point is - NZD$1620 SYD-JFK return is an excellent fare, regardless of what currency it's being converted from. The cheapest fare on NZ for AKL-JFK on the same dates was just over $2600.

It is a good fare. My point is the AUD/NZD exchange rate has made it even better.

Checked http://www.flightcentre.com.au for 12 May outbound, 28 May return (low season) and AUD1498.44 on UA and DL. AUD1498.44 @ 09250 = NZD1619.94.

Checked http://www.flightcentre.co.nz for the same dates:
TN -- NZD1,925
FJ --- NZD1,935
VA -- NZD2,165
UA -- NZD2,299
QF -- NZD2,385
KE -- NZD2,549
NZ -- NZD2,675

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:19 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 81):
I'm not sure what your point is - NZD$1620 SYD-JFK return is an excellent fare, regardless of what currency it's being converted from. The cheapest fare on NZ for AKL-JFK on the same dates was just over $2600.

Yep, what makes it even more remarkable was that my travel agent found me AKL-SYD-LAX-JFK return with United for $1525. I was stunned to say the least. The NZ flights for the same dates that he could find were around $2600, with different dates he could get it down to $2400. Still well worth it to fly United from my perspective even though it's likely to be rather unpleasant. I said it would take a lot for me to fly the wrong way to Sydney before heading to the U.S. but it seems this could be enough.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:26 am

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 84):
Still well worth it to fly United from my perspective even though it's likely to be rather unpleasant.

Do you think it would be more unpleasant than an NZ 77W though? I don't.

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 84):
I said it would take a lot for me to fly the wrong way to Sydney before heading to the U.S. but it seems this could be enough.

Do it. I did recently. It works - especially outbound. Zero jet lag. Whereas that night flight AKL-LAX always kills me if I'm in Y.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:38 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 85):

Thanks for the tips   Come to think of it, the 9 abreast economy class will indeed be a sight for sore eyes, as will flying on a 744, depending if he sends me via LAX or SFO. As I'll likely meet up with my family in Los Angeles to fly home, they'll want to fly NZ LAX-AKL, so it should give me a chance to compare the two experiences, that's if these fares hold long enough for my travel companions to get their stuff sorted...
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:10 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 85):
Do it. I did recently. It works - especially outbound. Zero jet lag. Whereas that night flight AKL-LAX always kills me if I'm in Y.

I find that hard to believe, but each to their own. I know myself and many others including our beloved Koruman much prefer the NZ evening departures. Those timings about as good as it gets as far as eastbound Longhaul flights go. Take off, dinner and you are ready to sleep a few hours after take off, have a decent sleep, and arrive in the early afternoon. You can easily get through the day, have an early night and the jet lag has completely passed by the next morning.

Whilst my VA & QF flights to the USA (despite being good products) completely wiped me out and i couldn't get through the day in the USA without having a nap (further worsening the jetlag) due to the early arrival and fact that you are not ready to sleep until a couple of hours out of LAX, as it is still only around midnight back home.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:17 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 87):
find that hard to believe, but each to their own

Yep - I did too.

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 87):
Those timings about as good as it gets as far as eastbound Longhaul flights go. Take off, dinner and you are ready to sleep a few hours after take off

If you're in J, perhaps; but in Y I'd prefer not feel obliged to try and sleep within a few hours of starting the flight. And I know others would disagree - but if I'm travelling long haul, for me the trip starts when I get out of bed in the morning. In other words I take the time from when I last slept in a bed until when I can next expect to as the total travel time. Morning departures work best for me. Each to their own indeed.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:49 am

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 86):
as will flying on a 744, depending if he sends me via LAX or SFO

Huh, is QF somewhere in the equation? UA operates the 772 SYD-LAX//SFO and the 787 MEL-LAX.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:02 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 89):

It could be, completely depends on pricing being a student and all.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:47 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 87):
I find that hard to believe, but each to their own

Longhaul flying doesn't make me jetlagged at all, it's the shorthaul stuff that makes me feel worst. I'm in agreement with gasman as far as I hate the enforced sleep and lack of cabin crew attention in the cabin of late evening overnight flights.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:13 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 76):
Quoting keen2fly (Reply 84):

The reason why I decided to finally give NZ a miss on next weeks flights. Can't complain with $1500 return WLG-MEL-LAX-DTW-LAX-SYD-WLG on NZ, UA and DL.

Quoting gasman (Reply 85):
Quoting keen2fly (Reply 84): I said it would take a lot for me to fly the wrong way to Sydney before heading to the U.S. but it seems this could be enough.
Do it. I did recently. It works - especially outbound. Zero jet lag. Whereas that night flight AKL-LAX always kills me if I'm in Y.

I'm hoping I'm not that exhausted once I arrive at DTW as this trip is a surprise birthday visit for a turning 7 year old. Don't know how many times I'm fallen asleep on couches after doing the NZ/UA overnight sectors from exhaustion.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:21 pm

Not sure if this has been posted (delete if it already has - I haven't seen it) but QF is offering NZL residents free membership to it's Frequent Flyer Program.
Qantas Freequent Flyer.

[Edited 2015-01-29 14:23:47]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:29 am

Air NZ brings backNight-rider flights to CHC and NSN with $29 fares.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11394183
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:33 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 94):

Sweet! Excellent way to log more flights for cheap! Just a pity the services are not returning permanently on routes which can handle them. NSN, HLZ, ZQN, DUD, WLG, AKL, CHC, Napier are certainly routes which would be able to handle them
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:44 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 95):
ZQN,

Not Until the navigation technology and lighting etc has been installed at ZQN to allow for evening ops (2016 at the earliest). Even then, it would only be allowed during summer till 10pm anyway according to this link -

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11250546
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:44 am

Hopefully this could in see demand for AKL-NSN spike, and we finally get an peak morning/evening A320.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:24 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 97):
Hopefully this could in see demand for AKL-NSN spike, and we finally get an peak morning/evening A320.

I think NSN's runway is too short to handle A320 operations (1347m according to this 2013 Nelson Weekly article regarding Jetstar A320s http://nelsonweekly.co.nz/airport-extension-wont-fly/ )
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 152

Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:07 am

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 98):
I think NSN's runway is too short to handle A320 operations (1347m according to this 2013 Nelson Weekly article regarding Jetstar A320s http://nelsonweekly.co.nz/airport-extension-wont-fly/ )

Looking at AIP: NSN
Take of Length: 1408m
Landing: 1347m

Source: http://aip.net.nz/pdf/NZNS_51.1_52.1.pdf

ZQN landing 1777m
WLG landing 1815m
BHE landing 1425m


BHE is able to handle 757s, while not fully loaded they do take military passengers / cargo at times. Maybe with an extra 200-350 meters NSN could handle A320s? Didn't they used to have the 732?

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