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Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:57 am

Welcome to the 114th edition of the Australian Aviation Threads. Link to part 113 Australian Aviation Thread Part 113 (by allrite Jan 6 2015 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:02 pm

Update on the final LAN A340 SCL-AKL-SYD and first B788/B789 SCL-AKL-SYD service from the New Zealand Aviation Thread

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
Not sure if it has been mentioned on here but last month LAN officially announced its plans for the SCL-AKL-SYD route this year which includes three stages:

-In April LAN will operate all flights on the SCL-AKL-SYD route utilizing the 787-8. The last scheduled A-340-313X flight from AKL will depart on April 17th. The first 787-8 flight will depart SCL on April 16 and arrive into AKL on April 18.

-During Q4 LAN will deploy the 787-9 on the SCL-AKL-SYD route daily.

-During Q4 LAN will increase frequency on the SCL-AKL-SYD to 10x weekly utilizing the 787-9.

Link in Spanish:
LAN Airlines anuncia plan de crecimiento y se consolida como el mayor operador entre Oceanía y Sudamérica

For those interested, LAN's A340 crews made a video commemorating the A340 and its service on the SCL-AKL-SYD route:
http://youtu.be/grNCIkf6v-E
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:09 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Update on the final LAN A340 SCL-AKL-SYD and first B788/B789 SCL-AKL-SYD service from the New Zealand Aviation Thread

Hi mate,
This is great information. Thanks for sharing it. I wonder what the airline will be called by the time of the introduction of the Dreamliner on the route...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:39 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):

Do we know what the timing of the additional 3pw frequencies are?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
For those interested, LAN's A340 crews made a video commemorating the A340 and its service on the SCL-AKL-SYD route:
http://youtu.be/grNCIkf6v-E

Ive done that flight a number of times (SCL-SYD), its one of the better timed flights ive ever had! Leave at night, sleep to AKL, arrive in SYD early in the morning and then don't get jetlag till about 4! Not difficult at all.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:30 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Update on the final LAN A340 SCL-AKL-SYD and first B788/B789 SCL-AKL-SYD service from the New Zealand Aviation Thread

I did not realize the end of the LAN A340 from SYD had arrived - so quickly...

No more cheap LAN SYD-AKL A340 flights for $220 AUD return  

But...

Hopefully LAN 787 flights for a similar price  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:41 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 4):
No more cheap LAN SYD-AKL A340 flights for $220 AUD return  

I was offered AKL-SYD for $270 (round trip) in May.

But still with that same sparrow-fart 6am departure from AKL

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:49 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 5):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 4):
No more cheap LAN SYD-AKL A340 flights for $220 AUD return

I was offered AKL-SYD for $270 (round trip) in May.

But still with that same sparrow-fart 6am departure from AKL.

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That departure time is the killer...

I have always found the cheaper fares easier to find in the coldest months.

I even booked a friend on the Aerolíneas Argentinas A340-200 AKL-SYD-AKL for $179 AUD return a few years ago when it still operated that sector...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:39 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 3):
Do we know what the timing of the additional 3pw frequencies are?

The three new additional frequencies (LA803/LA802) will be loaded during the Northern Summer season.

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 3):
Ive done that flight a number of times (SCL-SYD), its one of the better timed flights ive ever had! Leave at night, sleep to AKL, arrive in SYD early in the morning and then don't get jetlag till about 4! Not difficult at all.

I hardly get jet-lag on route due to the timings of LA's flights between SCL and SYD. I'm flying to SYD in April and QF has some great deals in J offering fares around 5800USD. LAN's J fare on the route was over 7500USD and permits a free stop over at AKL! Since I prefer to "hit the ground running" I decided to make the journey on the 787; especially since flying on the 787 significantly reduces the affects of jet-lag and the higher humidity in the cabin definitely makes a difference on the long-haul.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:19 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
Quoting QF2220 (Reply 3):Do we know what the timing of the additional 3pw frequencies are?
The three new additional frequencies (LA803/LA802) will be loaded during the Northern Summer season.

Do you have any idea of what they could be? Speculation on the forum is ok! Would LA look at a morning departure?
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:24 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 8):
Do you have any idea of what they could be? Speculation on the forum is ok! Would LA look at a morning departure?

Yes I do have an idea of what the timings could be regarding the three new frequencies to SYD. However you will have to wait until LAN releases that information.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:31 am

Pity LAN don't look at starting MEL flights. It could operate 3 x weekly MEL-AKL-SCL, opening up new opportunities outside of the already well serviced SYD market on the SCL route.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:37 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 6):
I even booked a friend on the Aerolíneas Argentinas A340-200 AKL-SYD-AKL for $179 AUD return a few years ago when it still operated that sector...

That is one flight that I really wish that I'd taken while it was still around.

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 8):
Do you have any idea of what they could be? Speculation on the forum is ok! Would LA look at a morning departure?

I'd suggest that LA will fly their extra flights ex-SCL on Sundays, Tuesdays and Thursdays (those days being the gaps in QF's schedule) -- as for timings, no idea but a mid-morning departure from SCL would make a lot of sense, then maybe a 5-6pm departure from SYD?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:40 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 10):

Apart from the connection in SYD vs AKL, I don't see that it would offer that much of a benefit.

To stir the pot, QF could get the approvals to operate twins in the deep south, and with 2x 789s do SYD-SCL and MEL-SCL. There are a lot of Melbourne market pax in SCL who would love a direct connection instead of a transit via AKL or SYD. Id think 3pw each. And reducing the aircraft size would increase the frequencies further, perhaps to 4pw each?
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:47 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 10):

Pity LAN don't look at starting MEL flights. It could operate 3 x weekly MEL-AKL-SCL, opening up new opportunities outside of the already well serviced SYD market on the SCL route.

At one point a couple of years ago it was rumoured that LAN would consider LIM-AKL flights opening up a second gateway between Australasia and South America. Imagine if they had chosen to do that and offered MEL-AKL-LIM vv 3 x weekly ( instead of additional SCL flights) to connect at AKL with the SYD-AKL-SCL vv flights. They could still use SCL to service the Southern Cone and Brazil while LIM would have been a better option for connections to Peru/Ecuador/Colombia etc.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:39 am

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but PER's new master plan has been approved last week.

http://www.perthairport.com.au/master-plan/download.aspx

While it looks nice, I don't get why they chose that layout for the int'l concourse. It's the same basic idea MEL had, but as MEL found out it is not expandable unless done in an awkward piecemeal manner.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:36 am

Happy Australia Everyone...

Unfortunately the Qantas A380 fly over display was cancelled today due to the overcast weather conditions.  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:58 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 13):

LIM would probably be lower yield than SCL ex AU/NZ, given the lower business traffic to the region.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:20 am

Nice little excerpt about Alan Joyce and the birth of Jetstar from Matt O'Sullivan's book Mayday: How warring egos forced Qantas off course.

Would love to see a sensible comparison between Joyce and Borghetti and what their different backgrounds and outlooks mean for the future of their respective airlines. I have my own opinions, but am curious about what others think.
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:03 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 17):

Comparisons are inevitable especially since many believe JB was the more obvious candidate for the QF CEO . There is no doubt that they are very different people and you can't imagine they were close even when they had offices just down the hall from each other. JB is very much the aesthete who appreciates the style of something and this was obvious in his time at QF (lounges, A380 cabins etc) as well as his very stylish reincarnation of VA's product. AJ is much more the numbers man and this came through in his time at JQ as well as his efforts in cost control at QF.

Who is the better manager is a subjective judgment. Both are competent managers. I am probably are more appreciative of JB's style as he seems to have managed to have taken his staff on the journey with him as well . AJ appears to have managed change but lost a lot of goodwill along the way. Undoubtedly many of these disgruntled people have proved a rich source of info for Matt O'Sullivan's book.
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:13 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 17):
Nice little excerpt about Alan Joyce and the birth of Jetstar from Matt O'Sullivan's book Mayday: How warring egos forced Qantas off course.

Would love to see a sensible comparison between Joyce and Borghetti and what their different backgrounds and outlooks mean for the future of their respective airlines. I have my own opinions, but am curious about what others think.


Hi mate,
Give it time, wink.
You may get the book that you wish for... Paralleling QF/JQ and DJ/VA... Joyce and Borghetti...
I'm looking forward to reading the book 'Mayday', having already read the two excerpts published in the newspapers over the weekend.
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:27 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 11):

At a guess I would agree.
Maybe something like
SCL 10:00am AKL 3:10pm
AKL 4:30pm SYD 6:00pm
SYD 7:30pm AKL 12:30am
AKL 2:00am SCL 9:20pm
Not too many other options I wouldn't think considering SYD curfew and maximizing connection opportunities at SCL. Or maybe they might play it safe and fly a similar schedule to their current flight.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:18 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 18):
Who is the better manager is a subjective judgment. Both are competent managers. I am probably are more appreciative of JB's style as he seems to have managed to have taken his staff on the journey with him as well . AJ appears to have managed change but lost a lot of goodwill along the way

Its a tale of two cultures. Premium, with not a great deal of cost focus, vs a standard product with ruthless cost control. Id say that AJ did what was needed at QF and controlled the cost that he did. That 'goodwill' that left perhaps wasn't a cultural fit with a cost cutting as it was with creating a premium experience?
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:16 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
Unfortunately the Qantas A380 fly over display was cancelled today due to the overcast weather conditions.

Bummer!!!

I did see one plane flying over the Balmoral Beach area today at 1:27pm exactly but I have no idea what is was...

Description:

Looked old, maybe very old  
About the length of a 717, maybe a bit shorter.
Top mounted wings.
One propellor on each wing.
Lower horizontal stabilizer like on a C-130 (Actually - entire rear / tail section looked similar to C-130)
Moreover, it kind of looked like a smaller, antique C-130 with just 1 propellor engine per wing.

What was it???
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:18 pm

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 18):
I am probably are more appreciative of JB's style as he seems to have managed to have taken his staff on the journey with him as well . AJ appears to have managed change but lost a lot of goodwill along the way. Undoubtedly many of these disgruntled people have proved a rich source of info for Matt O'Sullivan's book.
Quoting bunumuring (Reply 19):
I'm looking forward to reading the book 'Mayday', having already read the two excerpts published in the newspapers over the weekend.

Yes, the title of the book makes me suspicious that it has been written from the perspective that the current management have actively damaged Qantas, an image that would almost certainly be supported by those who have left the organisation under unhappy terms. I am more open minded, especially as to under who's watch the damage occurred and what actions are required to repaired or save Qantas for the long term.

Having worked for a different national icon seemingly in crisis for the last decade I am appreciative of the need for management to take disruptive decisions from time to time, though frequently not convinced that they are handled as competently as one should expect.

I have read that JB leads by example, which is a good style of management, though I dislike his (very strong) sense of style, which I feel harks back to an era and social set that I cannot relate to. But so long as enough other passengers do relate, then I guess he is succeeding.

But that colour scheme... Unforgivable  
Quoting QF2220 (Reply 21):
Its a tale of two cultures. Premium, with not a great deal of cost focus, vs a standard product with ruthless cost control.

Romantic versus analytical?
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:26 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 22):

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
Unfortunately the Qantas A380 fly over display was cancelled today due to the overcast weather conditions.

Bummer!!!

I did see one plane flying over the Balmoral Beach area today at 1:27pm exactly but I have no idea what is was...

Description:

Looked old, maybe very old  
About the length of a 717, maybe a bit shorter.
Top mounted wings.
One propellor on each wing.
Lower horizontal stabilizer like on a C-130 (Actually - entire rear / tail section looked similar to C-130)
Moreover, it kind of looked like a smaller, antique C-130 with just 1 propellor engine per wing.

What was it???

Hi mate,
Could it have been a C-27J Spartan? The RAAF is getting ten as belated Caribou replacements.
It certainly sounds like it!
Alternatively, it could have been an Airbus Military C235 or C295, possibly French passing through to/from New Caledonia...
But I think the Spartan is much more likely!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:56 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 24):
Hi mate,
Could it have been a C-27J Spartan? The RAAF is getting ten as belated Caribou replacements.
It certainly sounds like it!
Alternatively, it could have been an Airbus Military C235 or C295, possibly French passing through to/from New Caledonia...
But I think the Spartan is much more likely!
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It was similar in design to the planes you mentioned... but my memory is a bit hazy now and I can't even remember the colour 100% LOL... It was very cloudy and hazy at the time...

I'm pretty sure it was an orange (maybe red) like colour and was an older plane - I mean older like from the DC3 era...

If you play back Flightradar24 playback and go back to 1:20pm Sydney time on 26/01 you can see the plane flying around the harbour area many times near the heads, between Manly and Mosman. It was flying just under 1,500 feet at a speed of about 100kts. The reg doesn't show and it says 'No Callsign' but in the reg box it also says - reg '786B4D' but google doesn't give me anything useful. It was sqwaking 0415. That's all I've got to go off!

It looked a little bit similar to the Airbus military planes you mentioned - in design only - but was not a 100% C-27J for sure... It must have been some kind of antique...

I'm sure somebody saw it and knows what it was...

It was certainly something I would not want to be flying in  
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:29 pm

I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but on Sunday (at least) QF129 SYD-PVG was operated by a 747 (VH-TJI for those making notes).

I saw a 747 heading in the general direction of points north and just assumed that it was QF127 to HKG. It was only when an A380 flew overhead slightly later that it occurred to me that HKG has been seasonally up gauged. Flight Radar 24 showed it the 747 to be PVG bound, and the regularly scheduled flight and not a charter/one off. Clearly this is an up gauge to cater for the peak demand during Chinese New Year, but does anyone know if it was a one off or if a 747 is operating the route all this week?

And for those of you who track these things, is this is first time QF have sent a 747 to PVG?
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:42 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 26):
I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but on Sunday (at least) QF129 SYD-PVG was operated by a 747 (VH-TJI for those making notes).

I assume you mean VH-OJI. I think TJI is a now retired 734.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:46 pm

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 27):

Duh! Yes, OJI   
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:49 pm

Quoting allrite (Reply 23):
Romantic versus analytical?

I think that'd fair.

I think the BOD got it right. I dread to think what would have happened financially - to Qantas - had it been the other way round.  

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Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:22 pm

744 ops of SYD-PVG is scheduled for TUE,FRI,SUN with the final scheduled for 01MAR
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:19 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 29):
Quoting allrite (Reply 23):Romantic versus analytical?
I think that'd fair.

I think the BOD got it right. I dread to think what would have happened financially - to Qantas - had it been the other way round.

Yes, I think that is a simple way of stating it. And I agree, the BOD got it right. Dixon and Gregg, who looked to be more interested in doing deals than running an airline, have slipped off the corporate radar since then.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:10 pm

Quoting allrite (Reply 17):

Though many at the time assumed Borghetti would be the successor to Dixon, both Borghetti & Joyce probable ended up in the right place.

DJ was starting to lose direction and was in need of someone with strong vision. In turn Borghetti got an airline he could mould into his own version of what he though QF should have been.

QF was prolonging the inevitable by continuing to cave to union demands. Joyce got to use his mathematical analysis to reshape the structure of the airline.

Both airlines are probably better for it, but the VA of today is still stuck between their LCC roots and a FSC. QF also needs to part with some of their legacy ways but has finally tackled their cost problem head on.

I do wonder where JQ would be if Joyce had stayed there. Perhaps even larger than today at the expense of a higher cost QF?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:09 am

I think that AJ (much to the disgust of many people here) was the right choice at the right time. A lot of the hardship they have been through over the last 5 years has come as a result of decisions made before AJ was the man in charge, and they needed someone to make the tough and unpopular decision s- who was also strong enough to ride out the vicious backlash from unions & the media alike.

Here we are now a few years down the track, and despite only a small pick up in the world wide economy, Qantas is profitable again and with some rosy times looking to be in its immediate future. I think they need a gently gently approach to expansion, but they definitely seem to be on an expansion footing again.

They also seem to be on quite the roll lately - barely putting a foot wrong, and slam dunking their new product decisions - from the A330 refurbs, to tweeting their in flight product in Y with new meals etc. Even their latest media campaign - Feels like home has hit the spot in the market they've been striving for but missing for so long. With the appointment of Todd Sampson to their board, I would expect to see their public image now go from strength to strength.

I guess the question is what now for AJ? Theres a little bit left to go before you can say his work is done.. but I wonder if he will stick around once they're flying true and steady. Perhaps he'll get poached by another airline in need of a turnaround..?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:22 am

Just noticed on FR24 that QF642 PER-SYD is being operated today by B744ER VH-OEH, as was QF581 SYD-PER on Sat 24/1. Deliberate upgauge or some other reason to have a 744 in Perth?
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:28 am

Quoting XAM2175 (Reply 34):
Just noticed on FR24 that QF642 PER-SYD is being operated today by B744ER VH-OEH, as was QF581 SYD-PER on Sat 24/1. Deliberate upgauge or some other reason to have a 744 in Perth?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:35 am

Quoting Enobar (Reply 33):
I guess the question is what now for AJ? Theres a little bit left to go before you can say his work is done.. but I wonder if he will stick around once they're flying true and steady. Perhaps he'll get poached by another airline in need of a turnaround..?

He says:

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/t...yce-has-no-plans-to-move-1.2031055

"Qantas chief Alan Joyce has no plans to move

Qantas Airways chief executive officer Alan Joyce plans to see through a A$2 billion (€1.4bn) cost-cutting program at Australia’s largest carrier. With shares more than doubling this year and its international unit set to post its first profit since 2011, Joyce, 48, said he’s got no plans to move.

“I’m here to complete the job that I started,” he said on a media call after forecasting the best half-year earnings in four years.

“With the company turning the way it is, I’m very confident that my tenure -- as long as the board and shareholders are comfortable with what I’m doing -- will continue.”


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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:57 am

According to the following article XiamenAir (IATA code "MF") is expected to commence flights from Xiamen to Sydney by the end of 2015:

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:59 am

VA has again topped the on-time stats for December making it three months in a row after a run of nearly a year of QF leading. Whilst good for VA, I don't get too excited by these stats either way given they include a 15 minute buffer and there is a huge amount of padding in the schedules anyway. For example the SYD-MEL sector which was timetabled as 70 minutes 20 years ago is now scheduled by both airlines as 90 minutes.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:58 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 38):
timetabled as 70 minutes 20 years ago is now scheduled by both airlines as 90 minutes.

   and FR24 shows SYD-MEL flights routinely doing 65-70 mins. As you say, these on-time stats are pretty much useless these days. IMHO, departure stats are now more the relevant.i.e ATD as against STD.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:58 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 14):
Not sure if it has been mentioned, but PER's new master plan has been approved last week.

http://www.perthairport.com.au/maste....aspx

Im not a fan of MEL's layout & nor will I be a fan of PER's masterplan layout. I already vision a split image of MEL add on tin sheds.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 22):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
Unfortunately the Qantas A380 fly over display was cancelled today due to the overcast weather conditions.

Bummer!!!

Bummer indeed  

You would be happy to know apparently a B744 will roll out with a special decal to commemorate100th anniversary of the ANZAC landings at Gallipoli.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 5:22 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 40):
Quoting PITrules (Reply 14):
Not sure if it has been mentioned, but PER's new master plan has been approved last week.

http://www.perthairport.com.au/maste....aspx

Im not a fan of MEL's layout & nor will I be a fan of PER's masterplan layout. I already vision a split image of MEL add on tin sheds.

Given the track record of PER and their goals I have serious reservations about the proposed timing of any of this. In particular, I assume the new terminal alongside Horrie MIller Drive earmarked for 2020-2023 is the replacement terminal for the current Terminals 3 and 4 where Jetstar/Qantas/Qantaslink/Network all operate from? And they seriusly think they can build multi-story carparks, a hotel and an international pier at roughly the same time? Given their track record of delays and I doubt it:

2014-15: Virgin Australia’s domestic pier to open early next year.

2014-16: Multi-storey car parks around the air traffic control tower.

2016-17: A hotel at the centre of the airport, next to the tower

2016-18: An international pier to cater for airlines such as Emirates.

2019: Construction of the l third runway completed.

2019-20: Forrestfield Airport Link, including two railway stations, to start operating.

2020-23: A new terminal alongside Horrie Miller Drive

2024-2029: Further enhancements as passenger numbers hit 30 million per year.

2034: Automated passenger shuttle looping the airport, similar to those at major international airports such as San Francisco, Heathrow and Singapore.

2044: New terminal opens to replace the existing Terminal 2.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...k=ca36ecff56a84129f3f820e0a6464109
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:01 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 41):

Perth have a wonderful track record, are we talking about the same airport 

On a much more serious note though, the track record of PER is beyond a joke. I believe EK was to commence A380 services March 2013 if I'm not mistaken?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:08 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 41):
I assume the new terminal alongside Horrie MIller Drive earmarked for 2020-2023 is the replacement terminal for the current Terminals 3 and 4 where Jetstar/Qantas/Qantaslink/Network all operate from

Yes, the plan is eventually to have all the terminals in a horseshoe (almost a scaled down LAX). Given this is not forecast to be completed until 2044, it could end up being nothing like this.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 41):
And they seriusly think they can build multi-story carparks, a hotel and an international pier at roughly the same time? Given their track record of delays and I doubt it:

Their track record so far has been pretty poor and has caused both QF and VA a lot of frustration. Having said that, simultaneous development shouldn't be too hard given they will probably look to having external parties such as Accor Group and Wilson Parking manage the development of the hotel and parking precincts leaving them to stuff up the new terminal all by themselves.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:53 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 32):

I agree 100%

I have always said that the difficult decisions that had to be made at Qantas, and the neccessary conflict that ensued, suited "bar room brawler" Joyce, while the "dreamer" Borghetti could play around with a blank canvas. I think they both made missteps, but I definitely believe that they are in the right place.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:32 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 41):

2014-15: Virgin Australia’s domestic pier to open early next year.

In December 2014 Perth Airport CEO Brad Geatches was advising the press that the Virgin domestic pier would be open "mid next year".

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 41):

2019: Construction of the l third runway completed.

Again, according to Brad Geatches this is still "subject to actual demand during this period" - i. e. to 2020. So there is no guarantee that it will be built within that time. It is still Perth Airports preference that the airlines "contribute" to the project - that is put up the money rather than just pay for use.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 41):

2016-18: An international pier to cater for airlines such as Emirates.

When the draft was first released I asked, "where did that spring from?" The previous plan had indicated that additional space would be created by extending the present terminal, so this came as a surprise.

Under the previous master plan it was proposed that Grogan Road would be sunk to pass under the third runway. I note that under the new plan it appears Grogan Road will be closed once more. If so, that's a shame as it is the quickest way to the airport for me.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:40 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 26):
Flight Radar 24 showed it the 747 to be PVG bound, and the regularly scheduled flight and not a charter/one off. Clearly this is an up gauge to cater for the peak demand during Chinese New Year, but does anyone know if it was a one off or if a 747 is operating the route all this week?
Quoting aussie747 (Reply 30):
744 ops of SYD-PVG is scheduled for TUE,FRI,SUN with the final scheduled for 01MAR

I guess the 1 March end of the 744 schedule for PVG indicates it must purely be for the seasonal Chinese New Year traffic (Chinese New Year is 19th February this year).
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:45 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 49):
Worth noting this will be SYD's 3rd B787 operator. What ever happened to JL plans to deploy the Dreamliner on the NRT-SYD route?!?

5th by my count - AI, JQ, NZ with LA to start soon. As for JL I guess they need more capacity than their 788 offers. JL have seasonally up gauged to 77W for the southern summer.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:14 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 50):

   yes I forgot our kiwi friends! & South American friends!

The upgauged JL 77W is a welcome change   even though the 777 is my favourite the B787 has really grown on me & can't wait till QF firm their orders.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:53 am

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Quoting XAM2175 (Reply 34):

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