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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:09 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 51):
The upgauged JL 77W is a welcome change   even though the 777 is my favourite the B787 has really grown on me & can't wait till QF firm their orders.

Hi mate,
I agree on all counts.
My understanding is that the increased demand for both passengers and cargo on JAL has led to the Dreamliner being deferred for Sydney. A shame as I would love to see another 787 operator into Sydney.
How long has the 777-300ER operated into Sydney for JAL? I haven't seen one yet in Sydney, though I've seen them overseas.

And great photos, JQflightie! Keep them coming! And I love your idea of a retro interior on retro roo! Maybe the FAs could wear retro uniforms as well, even just for a few special flights, and serve duck a la orange or whatever...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:46 pm

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Also rumoured to include a SYD-WLG tag
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:41 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 50):
How long has the 777-300ER operated into Sydney for JAL? I haven't seen one yet in Sydney, though I've seen them overseas.

This season they started in December and will run until end of March.
I found a video on YouTube of a JL 77W arriving at SYD which was posted in 2013 so they have sent it before. Japan Airlines 777-300ER Landing 16R Sydney Airport
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:34 am

Regarding TG questioning the future of the BKK-BNE route as per the other TG thread: It puzzles me that if airlines are struggling a bit on a route why they don't downgauge it before talk about just dropping the route?

If a 777-300 does not work on a route and you have heaps of A330s in the fleet and 787s comming in to the fleet (as well as smaller 772s anyway) then why not consider a downgauge to a more appropriate sized plane before talking about just axing the route? I might have missed something in their announcement but I did not read anywhere about trying a downgauge - I just read that the route might be dropped if it continues to not perform well...

I must admit when I looked at booking BNE-BKK I was surprised that a 773 was operating the route. I was expecting to see a 772 or smaller...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:50 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 53):

If a 777-300 does not work on a route and you have heaps of A330s in the fleet and 787s comming in to the fleet (as well as smaller 772s anyway) then why not consider a downgauge to a more appropriate sized plane before talking about just axing the route?

It is probably a yield issue then. Even if they put a smaller plane on the route there might not ever be enough premium pax to make the route work, regardless of the size of the plane. I wouldn't imagine BNE-BKK to be a particularly 'premium' market, its very much a leisure orientated route. Despite the convenience of the non-stop option, there are other very viable (in terms of price/connection times) 1 stop options via Asia, so TG Y fares have to be pretty competitive.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:52 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 51):
Also rumoured to include a SYD-WLG tag

How very strange...

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 53):
Regarding TG questioning the future of the BKK-BNE route as per the other TG thread: It puzzles me that if airlines are struggling a bit on a route why they don't downgauge it before talk about just dropping the route?

If a 777-300 does not work on a route and you have heaps of A330s in the fleet and 787s comming in to the fleet (as well as smaller 772s anyway) then why not consider a downgauge to a more appropriate sized plane before talking about just axing the route? I might have missed something in their announcement but I did not read anywhere about trying a downgauge - I just read that the route might be dropped if it continues to not perform well...

I must admit when I looked at booking BNE-BKK I was surprised that a 773 was operating the route. I was expecting to see a 772 or smaller...

I agree, very puzzling. It used to be 772, but then got 'upgraded'. As I said in that thread, every other Asian airline (except EK) is A330/787 into BNE (QF, CX, SQ, MH, BR, JQ and CI (though is 744 over summer)) so for TG to be a 773 is a big difference in capacity. 787 would be perfect for them, with upgrade to a 777 when capacity requires, as it does over summer.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:05 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 54):
It is probably a yield issue then. Even if they put a smaller plane on the route there might not ever be enough premium pax to make the route work, regardless of the size of the plane.

Good point.

But if TG can't make the route work at all because of yield issues, and their is no direct competiton on the route, I fear that TG has bigger issues... I mean, we all know that TG has management issues, but they should be able to make that route work with one of the types in their fleet.

IMHO they just have the wrong type on the route and should at least consider an equipment change before axing the route.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 54):
Despite the convenience of the non-stop option, there are other very viable (in terms of price/connection times) 1 stop options via Asia, so TG Y fares have to be pretty competitive.

Agreed. But they have to sell a lot more Y fares, and possibly more discounted Y fares as well, to fill a 773 than a 333 or 788.

I think the 788 might be a great fit on the BKK-BNE route but that is just my   

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 55):
787 would be perfect for them

I think so too.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 55):
with upgrade to a 777 when capacity requires, as it does over summer.

Maybe. Or, they could just increase the fares slightly as demand increases  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:16 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 53):
Regarding TG questioning the future of the BKK-BNE route as per the other TG thread: It puzzles me that if airlines are struggling a bit on a route why they don't downgauge it before talk about just dropping the route?

TG has the wrong product on 772s & A333s for flights to Australia. These have a regional J seat closer to the CX regional seat than the SQ regional seat. They could downgauge to 77E but I wonder whether the trip costs would be all that different to a 77W?

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 54):
It is probably a yield issue then. Even if they put a smaller plane on the route there might not ever be enough premium pax to make the route work, regardless of the size of the plane.

Unfortunately for TG their aircraft are always poorly configured for the BKK market. Premium cabins are far too large and the Y seats should probably be high-density. For such a low cost labour market, TG has relatively high costs.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 54):
Despite the convenience of the non-stop option, there are other very viable (in terms of price/connection times) 1 stop options via Asia, so TG Y fares have to be pretty competitive.

I'm yet to see many competitive fares on TG even after the recent instability in Thailand. I think you've hit the nail on the head - TG has suffered with the multitude of one-stop LCC options like JQ-3K, D7-AK or TZ-TR. These have swept up a lot of TG's island traffic.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 55):
787 would be perfect for them, with upgrade to a 777 when capacity requires, as it does over summer.

According to the other thread all of TG's 744 & A346 will be retired, so TG needs to cut some routes. They must see BNE bringing less value to their network than other routes.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:36 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 57):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 53):
Regarding TG questioning the future of the BKK-BNE route as per the other TG thread: It puzzles me that if airlines are struggling a bit on a route why they don't downgauge it before talk about just dropping the route?

TG has the wrong product on 772s & A333s for flights to Australia.

Nothing wrong with the J class shell seats on the TG 772s I've been on - they are no worse (actually just better IMHO) than the QF 333 J class shell seats than are being refurbed but have been used on the SYD-BKK sector for some time.

Some of the TG 333 J class seats (recliners in 2-3-2) suck but some are good. The 333s they use to HKG and other desitnations (I think the code for these birds is 330 - not 333 when booking - 333 is the old recliner product) are very nice and have a product good enough for BNE. I mean, BNE-BKK afterall is pretty much a leisure route as had been mentioned. I think that even the 788 product would be good enough. Well, it's either an equipment change or no more BNE for TG if the 773 is not working...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:38 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 56):
I think the 788 might be a great fit on the BKK-BNE route but that is just my   

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:15 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 58):
Nothing wrong with the J class shell seats on the TG 772s I've been on - they are no worse (actually just better IMHO) than the QF 333 J class shell seats than are being refurbed but have been used on the SYD-BKK sector for some time.

My mistake - I was under the impression that the 772 had a different seat to the 77E (i.e. the old recliner). The newer A33s also have the same J seat as in the 77E. I thought that all the A333s had this old seat:
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/7964159576_83852a0b00_o.jpg

I guess TG must see no benefit from serving BNE since they seem to have the right aircraft available.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:32 am

One analyst is projecting a rosy future for Qantas:

http://www.theage.com.au/business/av...on-profit-ubs-20150128-12zr24.html

"Qantas poised to record $1 billion profit: UBS

Qantas Airways is poised to report an underlying pretax profit of $1 billion this year – approaching its 2008 record for the first time in years – as it reaps the benefits of the lower fuel price, says UBS analyst Simon Mitchell.

Mr Mitchell also forecasts Qantas will exercise its options over new Boeing 787-9 aircraft for delivery from 2017, which would allow the airline to replace ageing 747s and Airbus A330s and to launch new routes."


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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:04 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 61):

.......and so the QF speculation/rumour mill begins   ....yes we all love speculation/rumours...I will be waiting for the ACTUAL results by QF in FEB...and any (if any) 'announcements'  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:11 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 40):
You would be happy to know apparently a B744 will roll out with a special decal to commemorate100th anniversary of the ANZAC landings at Gallipoli.

Is there any public information about which of the 747s it will be, and when it will gain its decal?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:15 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 51):

Quoting QF175 (Reply 37):

Also rumoured to include a SYD-WLG tag

Wow! That had better be true! I'm guessing a lot of us here would be keen to book a return flight...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:36 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 10):
Pity LAN don't look at starting MEL flights. It could operate 3 x weekly MEL-AKL-SCL, opening up new opportunities outside of the already well serviced SYD market on the SCL route.

I would love to see LAN here, I am sure there is enough pax that would use a MEL-AKL-SCL, I know plenty of people that have been to the South America only problem is you have to go through SYD, I am sure LAN could make money on this route and they would have it all to themselves, I don't think QF would be interested in linking MEL to South America.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:46 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 53):

TG have a yield problem ex-Australia, and BNE is the market that best illustrates it.

Everything that I'm about to write is equally applicable to MH and GA, they all suffer from the same underlying problems in this market.

The first thing is to remember that they can sell Y many times over if the price is right. The price *has* to be right to compete against the LCCs that are eating into their bread and butter. In order to remain competitive they are offering low yield Y fares of the sort never before seen. Hence a yield issue.

The 77W is actually "perfect" (wrong choice of word) for BNE because the incremental trip costs compared to a smaller aircraft are relatively small, but with ~100 extra Y seats. To the fullest extent applicable on a loss making route, those seats pay for themselves.

Where BNE particularly suffers is a lack of J demand. SYD and MEL are much larger cities and larger business markets, and the proximity (and affinity) of the West Coast to SE Asia, coupled with what we might refer to as the "cashed up miner" syndrome, keep things chugging along out of PER. BNE is in a catch 22, not really falling into either.

In the past the relatively high yield fares to Asia, topped up with some Kangaroo traffic, kept things humming relatively smoothly. The arrival of LCCs on the one hand and ME3, and more recently PRC3, on the other have upset this delicate balance.

TG, MH and GA really no longer fit in the market outside of "flop and drop" special fares flicked through consolidators. This is a problem (infinite Y demand, limited J demand, soft fares) they all face in Australia, and BNE represents the "perfect storm" to highlight those issues that are being felt more broadly.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 54):
Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 57):

Low fares on TG might not be too obvious, but they rely very heavily (as does GA and to a slightly lessor extent MH) on consolidators and travel agents. The likes of Infinity/FCL can often flog ridiculous discounting, and it is these relationships that fill the planes.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:24 pm

Quoting flyingsottsman (Reply 65):
I would love to see LAN here, I am sure there is enough pax that would use a MEL-AKL-SCL, I know plenty of people that have been to the South America only problem is you have to go through SYD

Alternatively LAN offers one-stop connections between MEL and SCL via AKL on codeshare flights operated by QF:
LAN8875/QF151 MEL-AKL
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:56 pm

Now I'm not sure if this has been discussed in previous threads, but I've just noticed this, and have a terrible quality photo to go with it.. But as we all know QF re-painted VH-VXB Yananyi Dreaming aka the vomit comet.. But what I noticed today while in PHE is that they have named the aircraft Yananyi but also put a picture of Ayers Rock and a lizard on the right side of the aircraft near the flight deck window...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:43 pm

Operational question, but the other day when QF8 routed DFW-LAX-SYD to pick up pax who were not able to fit on the 744 that was used for QF12 (as the A380 went tech, I think), did the DFW origin pax have to deplane in LAX and reboard (like the JFK service) or could they just pull up to a gate and take on the extras? Which terminal was used in any case?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:47 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 53):

Regarding TG questioning the future of the BKK-BNE route as per the other TG thread: It puzzles me that if airlines are struggling a bit on a route why they don't downgauge it before talk about just dropping the route?

Could a timing change help with attracting higher yield customers? Or at least offer shorter connections times. It is close to 30 hours to return from Europe to Brisbane, and on flights on TG from BNE to Asia, there are not too many options to connect without having to overnight.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:25 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 60):
My mistake - I was under the impression that the 772 had a different seat to the 77E (i.e. the old recliner). The newer A33s also have the same J seat as in the 77E. I thought that all the A333s had this old seat:

TG have so many different configs & seat product types on similar types it's not funny. I can't even keep track of them all...

I've been in old 773s with J class shell seats in 2-2-2 and in the more dreaded 2-3-2. Some of the 77Ws (I think the ones they leased from an Indian airline) have 1-2-1 angled J class seats. Etc, etc... The list goes on...

As for the 747s that, according to an article posted in a thread yesterday, will all be sold by July - the most recent pic of a TG 744 J class seat shows the newer J class shell seat similar to the new regional 333 product (which show as 330 when booking) where as most of the 744s still have the older J class shell seats similar to those in the 772s. Why would TG have replaced some of the 744 J seats with the newer shell seat if going to be out of the fleet in a few months...???

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 66):
Where BNE particularly suffers is a lack of J demand. SYD and MEL are much larger cities and larger business markets, and the proximity (and affinity) of the West Coast to SE Asia, coupled with what we might refer to as the "cashed up miner" syndrome, keep things chugging along out of PER. BNE is in a catch 22, not really falling into either.

Given the lack of J demand in BNE that is one reason I think the 788 would be ideal for the route. The 788 J product is slightly inferior to that of the 77W but if the demand is not there then it shouldn't be a big deal.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 70):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 53):

Regarding TG questioning the future of the BKK-BNE route as per the other TG thread: It puzzles me that if airlines are struggling a bit on a route why they don't downgauge it before talk about just dropping the route?

Could a timing change help with attracting higher yield customers? Or at least offer shorter connections times. It is close to 30 hours to return from Europe to Brisbane, and on flights on TG from BNE to Asia, there are not too many options to connect without having to overnight.

I think a management change is needed first  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:51 am

VH-OJA is going to Albion Park Airport!

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...01/vh-oja-finds-a-retirement-home/

How exciting! Day off work
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:07 am

Quoting a36001 (Reply 72):
VH-OJA is going to Albion Park Airport!

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...01/vh-oja-finds-a-retirement-home/

How exciting! Day off work

Some selected quotes from the article:

""The aircraft will make its final flight from Sydney Airport to Illawarra Regional Airport some time in March, Qantas said in a statement.""

So March it is!


""The airline said it would be the first 747-400 in the world to be preserved for public display and would be the largest aircraft at HARS.""

The largest @ HARS, until the A380 Nancy Bird gets sent there after another decade plus of service   Just dreaming...


""The pilots scheduled to operate VH-OJA to its retirement home would undergo special simulator training to prepare for the delivery, Qantas said. Illawarra Regional Airport’s main 16/34 runway is 1,819 metres in length.""

Interesting & not unexpected to hear about.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:18 am

This article mentions "around the 8/9 March" - http://www.pointsandmiles.com.au/?p=5036

Noteworthy that, 26 years after breaking a long distance flight record by flying non-stop London - Sydney at the very beginning of her career, OJA is now going to break a short distance record to see out her career. Good show, old girl!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:28 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 74):
Noteworthy that, 26 years after breaking a long distance flight record by flying non-stop London - Sydney at the very beginning of her career, OJA is now going to break a short distance record to see out her career.

Good point!

A 10 or so min flight in the 744 - Wow!

As much as I'd love to see a flyover or two - I'd also love to see an as short a flight as possible record of some kind for the old bird set - a flyover could almost double the flight time  

A SYD 16R departure straight down the cost and in from the North without a go around  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:14 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 73):
Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 74):

15th of March according the Qantas Newsroom...

The aircraft will join an impressive lineup of famed aircraft now located at HARS including a Lockheed Super Constellation, Catalina, Douglas DC3 and DC4 and a Desert Storm US Army Cobra.

The official handover will take place on March 15 2015 to coincide with HARS monthly open days.

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...t-historic-b747-to-aviation-museum

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:15 am

March 15 - I can't wait!!!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:14 am

Quote:
Qantas together with Samsung Electronics Australia has launched a new trial entertainment service that uses Samsung virtual reality (VR) technology to give customers a spectacular three dimensional experience in a 360 degree style interactive format.

Qantas’ VR headsets will transport customers to an immersive virtual world at the click of a button and showcase the sights and delights of network destinations, new Qantas products and the latest inflight blockbuster movies.

As part of the trial, a number of Samsung Gear VR headsets will be made available to customers in Sydney and Melbourne International First Lounges as well as in the First Class cabins on select A380 services. Qantas will be the only airline to offer a virtual reality entertainment experience inflight.
Qantas Newsroom

If you can get the passengers to keep the headsets on then doing software upgrades of the hard facilities becomes possible. You can trick the eyes into believing that you've just fitout the lounge or cabin differently. 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:15 am

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 70):
Could a timing change help with attracting higher yield customers? Or at least offer shorter connections times. It is close to 30 hours to return from Europe to Brisbane, and on flights on TG from BNE to Asia, there are not too many options to connect without having to overnight.

This would be a big part to it, they need to go back to their 2359 departure from BNE, arrive in BKK in the morning with connections throughout the day. And as others have stated a 789 would be great in the quieter periods and upgauge to 77W during the peak times.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:18 pm

Quoting benjjk (Reply 77):

March 15 - I can't wait!!!


So where will be the best vantage point?
I live relatively close to this airport and still can't believe that VH-OJA will be there! What a coup for HARS! I was so doubtful, and had been told by someone 'in the know' that HARS would NOT be getting OJA!
There's a great spotting point at the end of the runway by the river. I expect this area to be closed to vechiles due to safety reasons but with local knowledge... It would be an awesome sight with OJA sweeping in over the river.
Vantage points on the escarpment will also be full of locals 'in the know', looking down / across on OJA landing.
I'm guessing that the road at the southern end of the airport near the light rail museum will be closed, as it would be a designated 'over run' area. Certainly, OJA will finish it's landing run right next to the road there. There are also some potentially good vantage points amongst the houses at that end of the runway.
The trouble is... I am working that day, an hour away! Argh!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:54 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 80):
Quoting benjjk (Reply 77):

March 15 - I can't wait!!!

The trouble is... I am working that day, an hour away! Argh!
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First thing I checked & guess what? I'm working too!!! Bummer, I'll try work something out can't miss out on this historical moment.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:30 pm

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If you can get the passengers to keep the headsets on then doing software upgrades of the hard facilities becomes possible. You can trick the eyes into believing that you've just fitout the lounge or cabin differently.

That's awesome! Kudos to QF for trying something new!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:25 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 81):
Quoting bunumuring (Reply 80):
Quoting benjjk (Reply 77):

March 15 - I can't wait!!!

The trouble is... I am working that day, an hour away! Argh!
Cheers,
Bunumuring.

First thing I checked & guess what? I'm working too!!! Bummer, I'll try work something out can't miss out on this historical moment.

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The plane has to be there by March 15 for the hand over on open day.

Could the flight still happen a day or so earlier to make sure it gets there?

They are mostly likely going to need to operate the flight when the weather & winds are right and if they wait until March 15 the flight could be a no go because of weather on that day, no?

BTW - I am 'scheduled' to work that day too, but it is a new year, and my sickie account has been boosted  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:45 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 83):
The plane has to be there by March 15 for the hand over on open day.

Could the flight still happen a day or so earlier to make sure it gets there?


Valid point, the article states QF will officially hand over VH-OJA on the the 15th of March and not specify whether or not the aircraft will be flown in earlier. If this be the case I'm hoping the official fly-away date is the 10/11th of March as I will be rostered off work those 2 days!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:05 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 84):
Valid point, the article states QF will officially hand over VH-OJA on the the 15th of March and not specify whether or not the aircraft will be flown in earlier. If this be the case I'm hoping the official fly-away date is the 10/11th of March as I will be rostered off work those 2 days!

Yeh I would think QF would fly her there early. Wouldn't be great PR if there was a weather/tech issue preventing a delivery flight on the handover date.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:53 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 84):
the article states QF will officially hand over VH-OJA on the the 15th of March

Wont it have to get there a fair bit early to have all remaining parts that are no longer needed for a static display to be removed? Id assume most would be removed before flight, but there would still be some that would take some days of work to do?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:22 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 83):
The plane has to be there by March 15 for the hand over on open day.

The hand over can happen at any time. They just want it there for the open day on March 15. But I would imagine HARS wants as much publicity as possible, so they surely would want everyone to know when it was landing. That's the most visible moment.

As others have said, a landing would be dependent on the weather, so I wouldn't expect some confirmation until a few days beforehand.

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 80):

What a bummer to be at work!! I will take some photos  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:25 am

Sorry for the cross-posting, but has anything larger than the Connie landed there before? And the lack of taxiways should make the ground movements interesting too!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:08 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 85):
Quoting Qf2220 (Reply 86):
Quoting benjjk (Reply 87):

I hope she flies in before the 15th of March too. Hopefully coincides with my days off work  

SAA Retired a B747SP 30th September 2006 and donated it to a Museum. The pilots performed 2 precautionary approaches prior to the final approach.
I'd say the retirement of VH-OJA would be performed in similar manner.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:45 pm

Quoting benjjk (Reply 87):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 83):
The plane has to be there by March 15 for the hand over on open day.

The hand over can happen at any time. They just want it there for the open day on March 15. But I would imagine HARS wants as much publicity as possible, so they surely would want everyone to know when it was landing.

Of course the hand over can happen at any time - after all it just involves getting the plane there and saying 'here you go, she's all yours!'... But like you said, if HARS, and QF, want some publicity out of this then I think the hand over that was referred to in the article would be just some kind of un-official ceremory, visible to the media and public of course, during the open day on the 15th.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 89):
hope she flies in before the 15th of March too.

I hope a date and a rough time frame is announced at least a day or so in advance of the flight.

I certainly would not waste half a day, even just a few hours, just waiting around to watch a plane land   
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:07 am

Just a thought with OJA

They bring it in on RWY 16, there is room to manually turn it at the RWY 34 threshold and tow it towards the HARS hanger but . . . . .
Where are they going to park the aircraft?
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An old image as the HARS hanger is complete
Looks like there is not a great deal of room on the HARS apron, could they store it on the eastern end of RWY 26
I wish I could be there to see it land

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:21 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 90):
I certainly would not waste half a day, even just a few hours, just waiting around to watch a plane land   

Weeeeeeellllllllllllll. Some of us have, do and will. aka Concord in MEL Jun 72, (7 hours wait) the first landing and take off of OQA in MEL 2008 (I think it was the first commercial flight of a QF A380 - 6 hrs) and who knows with the first 789 departure from MEL in QF colours (we live in hope).
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:32 am

Quoting TN486 (Reply 92):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 90):
I certainly would not waste half a day, even just a few hours, just waiting around to watch a plane land

Weeeeeeellllllllllllll. Some of us have, do and will.
Quoting TN486 (Reply 92):
Concord in MEL Jun 72, (7 hours wait)
Quoting TN486 (Reply 92):
the first landing and take off of OQA in MEL 2008 (I think it was the first commercial flight of a QF A380 - 6 hrs)

And a very big thank you to those who do and are so kind to share their pics and vids on the net with others like me that can't be bothered wasting an unknown ammount of time - we appreciate the time y'all have and the effort y'all put in just for that 1 minute or so of excitement  

I only wish I had that kind of time or patience  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:37 am

I got an email from Qantas today saying my MEL-PER flight tomorrow will be operated by an A330 without personal IFE or Q-streaming - and that I will be refunded 1,000 Qantas Frequent flier points!?

I was under the impression all the 332s had Q Streaming or personal TVs? Can somebody please tell me what is going on?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:40 am

Quoting ben175 (Reply 94):
I got an email from Qantas today saying my MEL-PER flight tomorrow will be operated by an A330 without personal IFE or Q-streaming - and that I will be refunded 1,000 Qantas Frequent flier points!?

I was under the impression all the 332s had Q Streaming or personal TVs? Can somebody please tell me what is going on?

Could it be one of the JQ 332s that QF is taking as the 788s come into the JQ fleet?

Perhaps they need to use it before it has finished going through the JQ 332 to QF 332 refurb?

That is just a guess BTW...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:46 am

Quoting ben175 (Reply 94):
I got an email from Qantas today saying my MEL-PER flight tomorrow will be operated by an A330 without personal IFE or Q-streaming

Just like the olden pre PTV days. Enjoy the flight and relax!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:36 am

Quoting ben175 (Reply 94):
I got an email from Qantas today saying my MEL-PER flight tomorrow will be operated by an A330 without personal IFE or Q-streaming - and that I will be refunded 1,000 Qantas Frequent flier points!?

I was under the impression all the 332s had Q Streaming or personal TVs? Can somebody please tell me what is going on?

You will be on one of the original QF A332 VH-EBB/C/D which have recently returned from JQ. These have in arm audio and a few drop down screens along the middle of the Y Cabin. They have been fitted with Q Streaming, but the system is not working on these aircraft at the moment in the Y cabin, only functions in the J Cabin.
VH-EBA is in BNE in refit mode at the moment and will re enter QF service with new cabin outfit and functioning Q Streaming across all cabins.
VH-EBB/C/D will be refitted with new Q Streaming system and config throughout the year as will Any other aircraft returning to QF from JQ without pre existing in seat IFE. So the former JQ aircraft in original QF layout will exist for some time to come.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:01 am

Quoting ben175 (Reply 94):
I will be refunded 1,000 Qantas Frequent flier points!?

If you don't mind, may I ask how many FF points you used to make the booking?

Getting refunded just 1,000 is about all I would expect from QF when they can't provide you with the product you booked / paid for  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 114

Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:48 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 66):
To the fullest extent applicable on a loss making route, those seats pay for themselves.

Not if you can't fill them....

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 66):
Low fares on TG might not be too obvious, but they rely very heavily (as does GA and to a slightly lessor extent MH) on consolidators and travel agents. The likes of Infinity/FCL can often flog ridiculous discounting, and it is these relationships that fill the planes.

Perhaps MH more so than GA. You would be surprised how much the consolidator and Flight Centre contribution has dwindled in recent times while on-line travel agent (and airline direct) sales have grown tremendously.

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