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OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:44 am

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

4O MIA-CUN FEB 0.9>0.6

AA DCA-PBI APR 3>0.6 MAY 1.2>0.8
AA DFW-BHM APR 6>5
AA DFW-CLT APR 6>5
AA DFW-LIR JUN 0.4>0.5 JUL 0.4>0.5 SEP 0.1>0
AA DFW-MTY APR 6>5
*AA DFW-PEK MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
AA DFW-PTY JUN 0.2>0.6 JUL 0.3>0.7 AUG 0.2>0.4 SEP 0>0.1
AA DFW-SAL APR 0.8>0.7
*AA JFK-PUJ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.5
AA LAX-ELP APR 3>1.0 MAY 1.4>1.0
AA MIA-AUA MAY 1.9>3 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
AA MIA-CLT APR 6>5
AA MIA-JAX APR 6>7
AA MIA-SAP APR 2>1.9
AA ORD-ICT MAR 4>3
AA ORD-YUL MAR 3>1.2
AA PHL-DFW APR 7>6
AA PHL-MIA APR 5>6
AA PHL-ORD APR 8>6
AA PHX-DFW APR 9>7
AA PHX-EWR MAR 0.2>0.1 APR 1.0>0.6

AC JFK-YYZ APR 3>2

AT JFK-CMN APR 1.1>1.0 MAY 1.2>1.0

*B0 EWR-CDG FEB 0.0>0.9 MAR 0>1.0

BA EWR-ORY APR 1.7>1.5 MAY 1.7>1.5 AUG 1.7>1.4 SEP 1.7>1.3

DL ATL-LIR APR 2.0>1.7
DL ATL-PLS JUN 1.1>1.3 JUL 1.1>1.3 AUG 1.1>1.3
Why bother with so little freq?
*DL BDL-CLE JUN 0.8>0.5 JUL 0.9>0.5 AUG 0.9>0.6 SEP 1.0>0.6
*DL BDL-RDU JUN 0.8>0.5 JUL 0.9>0.5 AUG 0.8>0.6 SEP 0.9>0.6
*DL CLE-RDU JUN 0.9>0.5 JUL 0.9>0.5 AUG 0.8>0.6 SEP 0.9>0.6
CVG hacking continues
DL CVG-BDL MAY 3>1.5
DL CVG-BNA JUN 1.7>1.1 JUL 1.7>1.1 AUG 1.7>1.2 SEP 1.7>1.1
DL CVG-LAS JUN 0.7>0.5 JUL 0.7>0.5
DL CVG-MSN JUN 0.8>0.6
DL CVG-ORD JUN 6>5
DL CVG-RIC MAY 1.4>0.7 JUN 1.7>1.2
DL CVG-STL APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.4
DL DTW-BMI JUN 0.8>0.6 JUL 0.9>0.5 AUG 0.8>0.6 SEP 0.9>0.6
DL DTW-CHS SEP 1.9>1.4
DL DTW-HSV MAY 0.8>0 JUN 0.9>0.6 JUL 0.9>0.5 AUG 0.8>0.6 SEP 0.9>0.6
DL DTW-IND APR 7>6
DL DTW-NGO JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7
DL DTW-PDX MAR 0.8>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.7
DL DTW-RST JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.6 AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.7
DL JAX-MSP MAR 2.0>1.0
DL JFK-CVG SEP 2>1.0
DL JFK-YVR MAY 1.0>0.3
Double daily CUN in the Summer? Wow...
*DL LAX-CUN JUN 1.3>1.9 JUL 1.3>2 AUG 1.3>2
*DL LAX-GDL JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
DL LAX-LAS JUL 8>9
*DL LAX-PVG JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
DL LAX-RDU MAR 1.4>1.0
DL LAX-TPA MAR 1.4>1.0
DL LGA-BOS JUL 14>13
DL LGA-DCA JUL 12>11
DL LGA-LEX APR 0.8>0.6 MAY 0.8>0.5 JUL 0.9>0.6 SEP 0.9>0.5
DL LGA-ORD JUL 13>12
DL MDW-MSP MAY 7>6
DL MEM-LAS MAR 0.4>0.3
DL MSP-ORF JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.7
DL MSP-PSP MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 0.1>0.0
DL MSP-SMF MAR 1.0>0.7
DL PDX-NRT MAY 0.9>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.9
*DL SEA-GEG JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
*DL SEA-JNU SEP 0.2>1.0
*DL SEA-PDX JUN 5>7 JUL 5>7 AUG 5>7
*DL SEA-PHX MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
*DL SEA-SJC JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
*DL SEA-YVR JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5

*F9 ATL-AUS MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.9
*F9 ATL-IND MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.9
*F9 ATL-MIA MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
F9 DEN-IND JUL 1.2>1.9
F9 DEN-LAS MAR 5>6
That's a close in add
*F9 DEN-LGA MAR 0>0.8
F9 DEN-MIA MAR 1.7>1.1
F9 DEN-MSY MAR 1.4>1.1
*F9 DEN-OKC MAR 0.9>0.2 APR 0.8>0
F9 DEN-SLC MAR 4>3
F9 FLL-IAD MAR 0.9>0.6
F9 IAD-RSW MAR 0.9>0.6
F9 IAD-TPA MAR 0.5>0.1 APR 0.6>0.3

FI EWR-KEF JUL 0.9>1.0 AUG 0.8>1.0
FI MSP-KEF SEP 0.7>0.8
FI SEA-KEF JUL 1.0>1.1 AUG 1.0>1.1 SEP 1.0>1.1

FJ LAX-NAN SEP 1.1>0.9

G3 MCO-PUJ MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
G3 MCO-SDQ MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
G3 MIA-PUJ MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
G3 MIA-SDQ MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0

K5 BNA-TUP JUL 0.9>1.7 AUG 0.8>1.7 SEP 0.9>1.7
K5 BUR-IPL JUL 0.9>1.7 AUG 0.8>1.7 SEP 0.9>1.7
K5 DAL-ELD JUL 0.9>1.7 AUG 0.8>1.7 SEP 0.9>1.7
K5 ELD-HOT JUL 0.9>1.7 AUG 0.8>1.7 SEP 0.9>1.7
K5 GBD-MCI JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
K5 HOT-MEM JUL 0.9>1.7 AUG 0.8>1.7 SEP 0.9>1.7
K5 HRO-MCI JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.8 SEP 0>0.9
K5 HRO-MEM JUL 0.9>3 AUG 0.8>3 SEP 0.9>3
K5 IPL-SAN JUL 0.9>1.7 AUG 0.8>1.7 SEP 0.9>1.7
K5 MCI-SLN JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7
K5 MEM-TUP JUL 0.9>1.7 AUG 0.8>1.7 SEP 0.9>1.7

LO ORD-WAW APR 0.9>0.7 JUN 1.3>1.4 JUL 1.3>1.4 AUG 1.3>1.4 SEP 1.3>1.4

LW ABQ-LAM FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0
LW AOO-PIT APR 4>3 MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0
LW HGR-IAD APR 4>3 MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0
LW JHW-PIT APR 4>3 MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0 AUG 4>0 SEP 4>0

LY JFK-TLV APR 2>1.8

MW HNL-LUP FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.8
MW JHM-LUP FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.8
MW LUP-MKK FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7
MW LUP-OGG FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7

NK FLL-KIN MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.3
NK FLL-MBJ MAY 0.9>1.0 JUN 0.8>1.0 JUL 0.9>1.0 AUG 0.9>1.0

PR HNL-MNL FEB 1.0>0.7 MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.7

SV LAX-JED AUG 0.5>0.6

SY MSP-CUN APR 1.3>1.4

TS FLL-YYZ JUN 0.3>0.2

UA CLE-MCO MAY 2>1.2 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0
UA DEN-CVG MAR 3>1.3
UA DEN-DSM MAY 4>3
UA DEN-GJT MAY 6>5
UA DEN-ONT MAR 1.9>1.0
UA DEN-TUL APR 4>5
*UA DEN-YQR MAR 2>0 APR 2>0 MAY 1.9>0 JUN 1.9>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.8>0 SEP 2>0
*UA DEN-YXE MAR 2>0 APR 2>0 MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0
UA EWR-FLL AUG 7>6 SEP 7>5
UA IAH-CUN AUG 6>7 SEP 4>5
*UA IAH-HDN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
*UA IAH-JAC JUL 0.3>1.0
UA LAX-BJX MAR 2>1.6
UA ORD-BDL MAR 4>3
UA ORD-BOS MAR 8>7
UA ORD-FSD MAR 5>4
*UA SFO-YLW APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0

UN JFK-VKO APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.8>1.0 JUL 0.9>1.0 AUG 0.8>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0
UN LAX-VKO JUN 0.3>0.4 JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.5
UN MIA-VKO MAY 0.2>0.3 JUN 0.1>0.3 JUL 0.1>0.3 AUG 0.2>0.3

US CLT-CUN APR 3>4
US CLT-ILM APR 10>9
US CLT-MBJ APR 4>3
US CLT-MIA APR 4>6 MAY 2>6 JUN 2>5 JUL 2>5 AUG 2>5 SEP 2>5
US CLT-MYR APR 7>9
US CLT-SMF APR 1.0>0.6
US DCA-BDL APR 7>6
US DCA-BNA APR 6>5
US DCA-BUF APR 3>1.9
US DCA-GSP APR 3>1.9
US DCA-ROC APR 3>1.9
US LAX-RDU JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2
US PHL-BWI APR 8>7
US PHL-DFW MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7 SEP 6>7
US PHL-HVN APR 4>3
US PHL-IAH APR 4>3
US PHL-ITH APR 4>3
US PHL-MCI APR 3>1.9
US PHL-MKE APR 5>4
US PHL-ORD MAY 7>10 JUN 7>10 JUL 7>10 AUG 7>10 SEP 7>10
US PHL-PIT APR 9>8
US PHL-SEA APR 1.0>0.6
US PHL-SLC APR 1.0>0.6
US PHL-SYR APR 6>5
US PHX-DFW MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6
US PHX-ORD APR 8>6 MAY 7>9 JUN 7>9 JUL 7>9 AUG 7>9 SEP 6>8
US PHX-PDX APR 6>5
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:08 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 DEN-OKC MAR 0.9>0.2 APR 0.8>0

I assume this is a station closure? Was that previously known?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:09 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US LAX-RDU JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2

Glad to see this market working so well. They're adding a redeye LAX-RDU with an a319 with a morning return.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US DCA-BDL APR 7>6
US DCA-BNA APR 6>5
US DCA-BUF APR 3>1.9
US DCA-GSP APR 3>1.9
US DCA-ROC APR 3>1.9

I wonder where these slots will go? Unless this is just a short-term reduction for only the month of April
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:26 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-SEA APR 1.0>0.6

Really? I know PHL-SEA is very much seasonal but I don't think it's dropped to less than daily before.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:29 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
I assume this is a station closure? Was that previously known?

This is correct and was known. An unfortunate loss, but not particularly surprising. Perhaps the dollar signs (and enough airplanes) will work out in the future to allow them to return.
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:00 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-DSM MAY 4>3

Wow. That is the lowest I've ever seen on DEN-DSM from United. DSM passenger numbers keep climbing to record numbers. Maybe time for Southwest to enter.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:02 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SEA-GEG JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
*DL SEA-JNU SEP 0.2>1.0
*DL SEA-PDX JUN 5>7 JUL 5>7 AUG 5>7
*DL SEA-PHX MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
*DL SEA-SJC JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
*DL SEA-YVR JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5

GEG, PDX, YVR. Lots of inner Pacific Northwest adds!
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:34 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

Surprised you just now picked this up. It hasn't been for sale past April for more than a month.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:42 am

As always, thanks Enilria!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-NGO JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7

That's not a good sign. Perhaps with the dropping of NGO-MNL there simply isn't enough US-NGO traffic to fill the plane?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAX-RDU MAR 1.4>1.0
US LAX-RDU JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2

That's interesting.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:31 am

Quoting Sightseer (Reply 8):
That's not a good sign. Perhaps with the dropping of NGO-MNL there simply isn't enough US-NGO traffic to fill the plane?

DTW-NGO as been between daily and 5x weekly since the merger. With the yen being in the tank this isn't surprising at all.

Quoting Sightseer (Reply 8):
That's interesting.

why? its for a slow month....(and you notice the 2nd daily for AA doesn't start till June.....

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CVG hacking continues

hacking? does that even equal more than 5 daily flights?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:31 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):CVG hacking continues
hacking? does that even equal more than 5 daily flights?

Perhaps these reductions in and of themselves aren't exactly "hacking," but they continue what has been a very definite trend, as I'm sure you're aware.

The issue becomes the more DL cuts, the less critical mass CVG has, and the less of a hub it becomes. Why route people through there with such limited flights when they've got DTW and ATL on either side?
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:06 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LAX-GDL JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2

just a note this will be 1x 738 and 1x 739.

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 10):

Perhaps these reductions in and of themselves aren't exactly "hacking," but they continue what has been a very definite trend, as I'm sure you're aware.

Not really. CVG has been pretty flat. The last few weeks it has been all over the place thanks to the fall out of the ZW contract fail.

Even here, most of the these are one or two month reductions. BNA looks to be the only one that sticks....
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:12 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LAX-PVG JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

They will need lots of luck on this one.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US LAX-RDU JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2

Good to see a second daily flight in a market that many didn't think could support it.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:20 pm

CLE-BDL and CLE-RDU are obviously business routes, but now DAL is only going to fly them at leisure frequencies. I agree, why even keep them?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:43 pm

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 7):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

Surprised you just now picked this up. It hasn't been for sale past April for more than a month.

Sad...

Quoting Sightseer (Reply 8):
As always, thanks Enilria!

Thanks

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
hacking? does that even equal more than 5 daily flights?
Quoting UALFAson (Reply 10):
Perhaps these reductions in and of themselves aren't exactly "hacking," but they continue what has been a very definite trend, as I'm sure you're aware.
Quoting UALFAson (Reply 10):
The issue becomes the more DL cuts, the less critical mass CVG has, and the less of a hub it becomes.
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 11):
Not really. CVG has been pretty flat.

There has been definite net reductions. You can even see it in the mainline service to the West from CVG.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:00 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MIA-AUA MAY 1.9>3 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3

Can't remember the last time MIA-AUA was 3x daily

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LAX-GDL JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
*DL LAX-PVG JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

Delta: "Watch it, AA."  
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US LAX-RDU JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2

AA: "Watch it, Delta."  
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:18 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 ATL-IND MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.9

Talk about a route that won't last.
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:25 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 11):
Even here, most of the these are one or two month reductions. BNA looks to be the only one that sticks....

. . . and that may be related to OO maintenance rotation needs (or lack of needs) as much as anything else.
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:32 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA JFK-PUJ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.5

With this, AA will be at over 70 flights per week into PUJ this summer - including 12 on Saturdays alone.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:45 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Sad..

Yeah, it just seems OKC-DEN just doesn't fit the new F9 business model. Also heavily saturated route. WN and UA both offer the route nonstop on multiple daily trips each. A few years ago, F9 ran 3 daily A319, WN 3 daily 737, and UA flew 1 A319 and 4 RJ's. With that much frequency on a 435 ppd (round trp) route, someone was bound to pull out at some point. F9 is insanely full though out of OKC -- but as we all know full flights don't always translate to the bottom line.

OKC traffic up 7% last year.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:47 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
Quoting Sightseer (Reply 8):
That's not a good sign. Perhaps with the dropping of NGO-MNL there simply isn't enough US-NGO traffic to fill the plane?

DTW-NGO as been between daily and 5x weekly since the merger. With the yen being in the tank this isn't surprising at all.

It's hard to think of NGO-DTW as a tourist route with demand dropping with yen:$ exchange rate. That seems more a Toyota & suppliers route.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:57 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 20):
It's hard to think of NGO-DTW as a tourist route with demand dropping with yen:$ exchange rate.

No, but DTW-MNL certainly is/was a bulky, price-sensitive (albeit not yen-sensitive) route.
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:58 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
That's a close in add
*F9 DEN-LGA MAR 0>0.8

Don't want to lose the slot, but they are clueless what to do with it. I personally see it being sold to B6.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):

hacking? does that even equal more than 5 daily flights?

It has been fairly steady. How many flights are left

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA JFK-PUJ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.5

AA tip toeing back into the NYC DR market? Who would have thought!  
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:00 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Why bother with so little freq?
*DL BDL-CLE JUN 0.8>0.5 JUL 0.9>0.5 AUG 0.9>0.6 SEP 1.0>0.6
*DL BDL-RDU JUN 0.8>0.5 JUL 0.9>0.5 AUG 0.8>0.6 SEP 0.9>0.6
*DL CLE-RDU JUN 0.9>0.5 JUL 0.9>0.5 AUG 0.8>0.6 SEP 0.9>0.6

These are business routes -- probably operating Sunday, Monday, Thursday, and Friday. Why fly them on a Wednesday, who leaves for a business trip on a Wednesday?

BDL-RDU has been on DL for almost 5 years.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:07 pm

Quoting tom11 (Reply 23):
Why fly them on a Wednesday, who leaves for a business trip on a Wednesday?

All of those routes are short enough that a day trip is possible (and, for some, probably preferred).
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:14 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 22):
AA tip toeing back into the NYC DR market? Who would have thought!

I honestly think there's opportunity there for AA to the Caribbean out of NYC.

AA will certainly never regain what it's lost to JetBlue and Delta, but I could imagine a few additional leisure routes, likely on weekends, out of JFK (or even, in some cases, LGA) to AUA, STT, MBJ, etc. to compliment the flights AA already/still operates to STT, SXM, SKB, PUJ, ANU, BDA, CUN, etc.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:23 pm

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 10):
The issue becomes the more DL cuts, the less critical mass CVG has, and the less of a hub it becomes. Why route people through there with such limited flights when they've got DTW and ATL on either side?

The routes that remain are largely for O&D, not connecting people. Unlike MEM, CVG has a decent sized business O&D market that will pay a premium for non-stop flights which is why it remains a small hub/focus city while MEM is not.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:30 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
hacking? does that even equal more than 5 daily flights?
Quoting UALFAson (Reply 10):
The issue becomes the more DL cuts, the less critical mass CVG has, and the less of a hub it becomes. Why route people through there with such limited flights when they've got DTW and ATL on either side?
Quoting michman (Reply 26):
The routes that remain are largely for O&D, not connecting people. Unlike MEM, CVG has a decent sized business O&D market that will pay a premium for non-stop flights which is why it remains a small hub/focus city while MEM is not.

Regardless of whether we call it "hacking" or not, referring to these specific cuts or the trend or not, whether CVG has a healthy business O&D base or not, I remain skeptical that - as Delta continues to draw down 50-seat capacity - some of these smaller and/or more competitive markets remain viable for Delta. I get it that P&G generates lots of corporate demand, but I still think some of these 50-seat-dependant routes are going to be "on the bubble" at best as time goes on.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:08 pm

Quoting Thomaas (Reply 12):
Good to see a second daily flight in a market that many didn't think could support it.

Actually, that would be 3x daily on RDU-LAX. 2 on AA, one on DL. I wouldn't be surprised to see DL go back to 10-11x/week in the summer like they did last year. This is a route I fly often and it's nice to have a non-stop (especially during daylight hours, red-eyes notsomuch).
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:21 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 16):
Talk about a route that won't last.

It seems that with the new route additions, the far majority are routes around 400-1100 mile length, rather than anything longer. Some of it seems sensible like ATL-MIA, but the IND-ATL flight that makes it a 1-stop also, makes less sense.

Southwest remains large at IND, with more growth there (LAX and BOS just added), while the market might not be large enough for Frontier to chip away market share from leisure customers or stimulate new traffic. It chose not to bring back IND-TTN, even though Southwest doesn't offer a IND-1stop-EWR option and fares might be higher than normal between those markets. It might figure TTN is less for the PHL region but for the Mercer to EWR area with the route duplication and choice of not serving longer flights out of PHL.

IND remains a larger metropolitan area size market than OKC, but it might not be large enough to fit in the ULCC model of primarily large metropolitan area markets, especially when Southwest remains large there. CVG growth for example can be an exception with no Southwest.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 22):
but they are clueless what to do with it. I personally see it being sold to B6.

It is a second slot pair that is used seasonally. Otherwise LGA service is 2x daily LGA-MIA. I suppose another flight that could have worked seasonally is CVG-LGA. I don't think there is a competing low fare flight around, and when F9 opened in CVG, initially there was a lot of excitement. I wonder if it cares to build up any region or just let another market entrance eventually fizzle out.

[Edited 2015-01-26 07:31:50]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:31 pm

enilria, thank you for the weekly update!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SEA-JNU SEP 0.2>1.0

I wasn't expecting this one. Rumor on FT was that the service to JNU will be year-round. Maybe year-round service to FAI is in the wings as well.

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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:06 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 15):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LAX-GDL JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
*DL LAX-PVG JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

Delta: "Watch it, AA."  
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US LAX-RDU JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2

AA: "Watch it, Delta."  

Good point!

Quoting Indy (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 ATL-IND MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.9

Talk about a route that won't last.

Probably...ATL-MIA I think can work. AUS-ATL seems very unlikely to work.

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Sad..

Yeah, it just seems OKC-DEN just doesn't fit the new F9 business model.

What does? It's just a roulette wheel.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 22):
Don't want to lose the slot, but they are clueless what to do with it. I personally see it being sold to B6.

Such a late decision is a sure way to fail.

Quoting tom11 (Reply 23):
These are business routes -- probably operating Sunday, Monday, Thursday, and Friday. Why fly them on a Wednesday, who leaves for a business trip on a Wednesday?

Me. My travel occurs completely randomly. Also, people return on Wed all the time.

Quoting commavia (Reply 27):
I remain skeptical that - as Delta continues to draw down 50-seat capacity - some of these smaller and/or more competitive markets remain viable for Delta
Quoting commavia (Reply 27):
50-seat-dependant routes are going to be "on the bubble"

Exactly good point. It's funding the SEA build-up, like MEM and CVG have been.

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 29):
It seems that with the new route additions, the far majority are routes around 400-1100 mile length, rather than anything longer. Some of it seems sensible like ATL-MIA, but the IND-ATL flight that makes it a 1-stop also, makes less sense.

That's the sweet spot for fuel (last year) and bag fees. With lower fuel I'm not sure it is valid any more.

Quoting diverdave (Reply 30):

enilria, thank you for the weekly update!

 
Quoting diverdave (Reply 30):
I wasn't expecting this one. Rumor on FT was that the service to JNU will be year-round. Maybe year-round service to FAI is in the wings as well.

It wasn't in my report because they did it before the window of my report, but they extended FAI as well.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:32 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 31):
It wasn't in my report because they did it before the window of my report, but they extended FAI as well.

Sure enough, there are the E175s in the schedule.  

Wonder how the good folks in FAI will react. They were none too pleased when FAI-ANC was mostly down-gauged to Q400s.

Though in reality, the Q400 is just fine for that flight (I did it earlier this month) and Horizon even offers one complimentary beer.

I also wonder how the E175 will handle the bitterly cold (often -30 to -40) Central Alaska temperatures, but at least it is not a RON.

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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:36 pm

Quoting diverdave (Reply 32):
Sure enough, there are the E175s in the schedule.  

Wonder how the good folks in FAI will react. They were none too pleased when FAI-ANC was mostly down-gauged to Q400s.

Though in reality, the Q400 is just fine for that flight (I did it earlier this month) and Horizon even offers one complimentary beer.

I also wonder how the E175 will handle the bitterly cold (often -30 to -40) Central Alaska temperatures, but at least it is not a RON.

Are we saying DL is putting E175s on FAI/ANC?
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:47 pm

AA will be up gauging aircraft on MIA-GIG and MIA-SCL this summer. 2X 777 MIA-GIG and 1X 777 MIA-SCL. I'm not sure but I believe that this will be the first time AA runs 2X daily on MIA-GIG during the summer.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:47 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 31):
AUS-ATL seems very unlikely to work.

That flight is an IAD-ATL-AUS. Atleast from the Mid-Atlantic to Northeast, Austin is known as beinfg the blue dot in the red state, with a cool music scene. And the summer weather in Austin isn't as hot/humid as Dallas or Houston. Maybe F9 can stimulate from IAD. Nonstop WN fares are high on ATL-AUS so there might be stimulation from ATL but not sure if the F9 name is known enough in ATL and if ATL area pax would visit AUS for leisure in enough numbers on F9.

[Edited 2015-01-26 10:08:02]
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:55 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 33):
Are we saying DL is putting E175s on FAI/ANC?

Yes, the mainline SEA-FAI service with 738s ends on Sunday 9/13 and the E175s pick up the following day. It's bookable.

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Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:03 pm

Quoting diverdave (Reply 36):
Yes, the mainline SEA-FAI service with 738s ends on Sunday 9/13 and the E175s pick up the following day. It's bookable.

Wow 0140 departure! That will be chilly!
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:28 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 22):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
That's a close in add
*F9 DEN-LGA MAR 0>0.8

Don't want to lose the slot, but they are clueless what to do with it. I personally see it being sold to B6.

Makes sense to me to vary one of their two LGA-MIA slots seasonally from MIA to DEN. Using it on a short haul route like CLE was the head-scratcher.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:02 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 38):
Using it on a short haul route like CLE was the head-scratcher.
NK flies DTW-LGA, a short-haul, pretty steadily on 2x daily. NK at DTW might have been a springboard for F9's initial CLE vision.

However, DTW doesn't have a CAK equivalent as nearby. F9 might not have figured that WN would stick on CAK-LGA as long as it has been.

There might have also been a shift in thinking that with it having such few LGA slot pairs to offer a destination that's very popular from both sides: thus MIA. And MIA opened as a focus.

The choice of resuming LGA-DEN seasonally appears it wants east-west pax. The flight actually operates very late with a 10:55pm departure from LGA into DEN at 1:19am, thus not offering LGA west coast connections. I think this flight is targeting DEN based pax. It's still odd to me. I'd think CVG-LGA could have been a better seasonal run, given that there is no Southwest/JetBlue around nearby (WN's DAY-BWI-ISP isn't a good alternative for CVG-NYC). Just, generally high fares from Delta.

[Edited 2015-01-26 11:04:49]
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:41 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA SFO-YLW APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0

Ending already? Lots of UA cuts in Canada recently
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:19 pm

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
DTW-NGO as been between daily and 5x weekly since the merger. With the yen being in the tank this isn't surprising at all.

True. I just wonder now, with the MNL tag gone and no smaller plane available for downgauging, if this route is in a more precarious position than before.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
why? its for a slow month....(and you notice the 2nd daily for AA doesn't start till June.....

Well, FWIW DL's desktop timetable shows 1x daily in June, although as someone else mentioned above, with US/AA going 2x daily I suspect that might change.

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 39):
The flight actually operates very late with a 10:55pm departure from LGA into DEN at 1:19am

Wow   . Talk about utilization flying! Makes sense from a ULCC perspective, I suppose.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:25 pm

Quoting ericm2031 (Reply 40):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA SFO-YLW APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0

Ending already? Lots of UA cuts in Canada recently

That route might've been subsidized by YLW to boost tourism ? UA tried LAX-YLW which didn't work then tried SFO-YLW and still couldn't get it to work.

I don't think it's a UA-Canada problem, but rather, a YLW problem. None of DL/AA/US flies to YLW, and even AC has to switch the YYZ-YLW flight from mainline to rouge.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:27 pm

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 39):
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 38):Using it on a short haul route like CLE was the head-scratcher. NK flies DTW-LGA, a short-haul, pretty steadily on 2x daily. NK at DTW might have been a springboard for F9's initial CLE vision.

However, DTW doesn't have a CAK equivalent as nearby. F9 might not have figured that WN would stick on CAK-LGA as long as it has been.

FNT is just 56 air miles from DTW, and it's even closer to Detroit's wealthy northwest suburbs where the highest concentrations of air travelers reside.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:58 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 33):
Are we saying DL is putting E175s on FAI/ANC?
Quoting diverdave (Reply 32):
Wonder how the good folks in FAI will react. They were none too pleased when FAI-ANC was mostly down-gauged to Q400s.

Though in reality, the Q400 is just fine for that flight (I did it earlier this month) and Horizon even offers one complimentary beer.

I also wonder how the E175 will handle the bitterly cold (often -30 to -40) Central Alaska temperatures, but at least it is not a RON.
Quoting diverdave (Reply 36):
Yes, the mainline SEA-FAI service with 738s ends on Sunday 9/13 and the E175s pick up the following day. It's bookable.

Actually I now notice that it is still a 738 in Summer, but mid-September it becomes an E175 and is now all year. AS will be peee-iss-ed.

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 35):
Quoting enilria (Reply 31):
AUS-ATL seems very unlikely to work.

That flight is an IAD-ATL-AUS.

Still say unlikely to work.

Quoting ericm2031 (Reply 40):
Ending already? Lots of UA cuts in Canada recently
Quoting a380787 (Reply 42):
That route might've been subsidized by YLW to boost tourism ? UA tried LAX-YLW which didn't work then tried SFO-YLW and still couldn't get it to work.

I am hearing there is an OO pilot shortage that lead to this.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:10 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 44):
Actually I now notice that it is still a 738 in Summer, but mid-September it becomes an E175 and is now all year. AS will be peee-iss-ed.

I just noticed that DL's JNU-SEA was last week on a CR9 in the Summer and is now this week on a 738 in Summer and also appears to be yearr-ound on a CR9 for the first time. AS gonna be even more peee-iiiiii-ssss-ed.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:48 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAX-RDU MAR 1.4>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US LAX-RDU JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2

If DL returns to 2X daily that will be 4X daily to LAX from RDU? Wow, even if DL stays 1X.


With UA going back to 2X daily to SF0 that will be 5X (or 6X) daily to the west coast from RDU. Impressive.
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:35 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 45):
I just noticed that DL's JNU-SEA was last week on a CR9 in the Summer and is now this week on a 738 in Summer and also appears to be yearr-ound on a CR9 for the first time. AS gonna be even more peee-iiiiii-ssss-ed.

It is interesting seeing OO in the middle of this fight!
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:45 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-LIR JUN 0.4>0.5 JUL 0.4>0.5 SEP 0.1>0

I will make a research to determine if AA DFW-LIR will be closed permanently.
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RE: OAG Changes 1/30/2015: AA/DL/F9/UA/US

Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:47 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 47):
It is interesting seeing OO in the middle of this fight!

Did you know there are routes out of LAX where AA, UA, and DL are all competing and every single flight on all three airlines is operated by OO/EV?

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