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Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:12 am

IB will go back to HAV from june 1st 5 times a week.
Cali and Medellin will be new destinations from July 3rd three times a week
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:24 am

Quoting kelual (Thread starter):
IB will go back to HAV from june 1st 5 times a week.

Great to see IB back in HAV. Many years back I flew them on the B742 MAD-HAV-MAD, great flights.  

Good to see the amount of connections from around Europe too incl DUB every Saturday .
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:32 am

Nice. It looks like IB has carbon-copied KLM's operation to CLO+MDE. I am sure Air Europa will not be happy.

Which are the destinations that were left during the downturn and haven't been resumed? I can count FOR+REC, SJU and COR. At least HAV, SDQ and MVD are back.

I wonder if they will soon fly to BSB... that will make a nice OW hub-to-hub route. Maybe MTY would be interesting too.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:36 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):
FOR+REC
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):
BSB

I doubt FOR/REC will return, but MAD-BSB has a very good chance of being flown by either LATAM or Iberia.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:43 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 3):
I doubt FOR/REC will return, but MAD-BSB has a very good chance of being flown by either LATAM or Iberia.

I completely agree. With the downturn of the Brazilian economy, FOR+REC does not make a lot of sense to me. Better to concentrate on a more premium and resilient local market (BSB) with onward connections (LATAM hub).

SJU and COR I feel have the same issues (Puerto Rico and Argentina!); maybe a MAD-MVD-COR would be feasible.

Ironically, there are not many "secondary" destinations that will be feasible in Latin America, specially with the current economic trends in the region.

Let's see what happens with UX. I don't think there is enough of a market for UX to compete with IB and the Latin American carriers to MAD/Europe.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:46 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):
It looks like IB has carbon-copied KLM's operation to CLO+MDE.

Not quite, KLM will operate BOG-CLO 3x/weekly B772 starting S15.

The flight will switch to 3x/weekly B74M in W15.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:51 am

I've heard that IB will get 5 A330-200 this year (instead of the 1 originally planned) And they are trying to reach and agreement with Airbus for an early delivery of the A359s (from 2018 to 3rd Q 2016).
Any info?
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:53 am

On a related note, Iberia Express is starting services to LYS, NTE and NCE.

Those are already serviced by Air Nostrum. Transavia is starting as well NTE-MAD, and Norwegian MAD-NCE for the summer season.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 5):

My mistake. For some reason I thought KLM had announced CLO+MDE as well.

[Edited 2015-01-26 03:07:40]
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:09 am

Good news!

JNB is another suspended destination that has not been resumed yet, as well as BOS and LAX year-round. CAI was also suspended but I think we won't see it back soon given Egypt's situation.

I'm still hoping to be surprised by Iberia with new destinations to other places apart from Latin America, like U.S., Canada, Africa or Asia.
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:16 pm

Very good news!
I am sure that that these routes will be successful.


The schedule for the triangular route to MDE and CLO is programmed as follows: Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays from 3rd July

1330 MAD - MDE 1625
1750 MDE - CLO 1855
2020 CLO - MAD 1325

The passenger volume is assured on this route, and further, IB will be able to carry sizeable cargo from MDE given the large flower production in the vicinity of the airport. MDE is already a significant cargo base, and home of Avianca Cargo.

I am sure that later on the destinations will be separated. The A330-300 would probably not be able to do the MDE-MAD non-stop viably, given the airport's altitude, but the A330-200s that I understand IB will get in the 242t MTOW versions, would do well. So would be A340s, but the 600 is too large, and the 300 just not so nice.

The new A330-300 look and feel very nice, but also have a great personal IFE.

So good to see IB coming out so competitive from the restructuring it has undertaken under IAG.

[Edited 2015-01-26 05:25:06]
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:48 pm

IB doesn't fly BOS or LAX any longer? What about IAD? Too bad no more SJU after 40+ years....
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:57 pm

[quote=PRAirbus,reply=10][/

They fly to LAX and BOS, but since two years ago the flights are operated from April to October.

IAD became seasonal in 2010 and didn't come back in 2011.
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:00 pm

It will be interesting to see if CLO can support both IB and KL.
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:26 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 12):


It will be interesting to see if CLO can support both IB and KL.

As well as Avianca, that flies non-stop CLO-MAD 3 times a week
I would not be surprised if AV decided to up service as well. It used to operate this route 5 x weekly. It also happens to have enough widebodies with the arrival of 787s
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 4:32 pm

Great news for the Colombian aviation sector, interesting how the news came out after Colombia won Miss Universe    I wonder how Avianca will counter IB once it starts to compete on the MDE and CLO routes. Probably add the 787s?.. or maybe add more frequencies? Maybe start routes from other cities like CTG or BAQ? I guess only time will tell
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:01 am

Quoting kelual (Thread starter):
Cali and Medellin will be new destinations from July 3rd three times a week

It's a clear response against Avianca.




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Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):
Which are the destinations that were left during the downturn and haven't been resumed? I can count FOR+REC, SJU and COR. At least HAV, SDQ and MVD are back.

I've read in other sources about the lack of long-haul equipment, in order to sustain some of these Latin American stations.




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Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 4):
maybe a MAD-MVD-COR would be feasible.

Iberia launched an experiment in Cordoba, Argentina from 2010 till 2012.
The route was operated as IB MAD-COR [2x-3x] weekly, IB MAD-GIG-COR and the triangular IB MAD-MVD-COR-MAD. Their services didn't last too much.




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Quoting kelual (Thread starter):
IB will go back to HAV from june 1st 5 times a week.

IberWorld on behalf of Iberia attended the MAD-HAV sector, some years ago.

Regards.
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:18 am

They haven't announced eqp yet?
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:22 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 16):
They haven't announced eqp yet?

All flights by A333

123..67 MAD HAV 1640 2035 IB6621 333
123..67 HAV MAD 2225# 1335 IB6620 333


..3.56. MAD1 CLO 1230 1855 IB6589 333
..3.56. CLO MAD 2020# 1325 IB6588 333


..3.56. MAD MDE 1230 1625 IB6589 333
..3.56. MDE1 MAD 1750# 1325 IB6588 333
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:16 pm

Now that IB MAD-PTY-MAD has CM code-share, were CM CLO and MDE flights getting any IB connecting traffic?
Wonder if IB already had planned MAD-MDE-CLO-MAD but the numbers of passengers connecting @ CM PTY hub were so attractive IB now rushed to start the route.
I'm not on CM's payroll.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:00 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
Iberia launched an experiment in Cordoba, Argentina from 2010 till 2012.
The route was operated as IB MAD-COR [2x-3x] weekly, IB MAD-GIG-COR and the triangular IB MAD-MVD-COR-MAD. Their services didn't last too much.

Inadequate equipment (A343), triangular routing, less than daily... little wonder that they struggled. But the new A332's could make some of these work.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
I've read in other sources about the lack of long-haul equipment, in order to sustain some of these Latin American stations.

That is also my impression, which is why it is rumored that IB is pushing for earlier delivery of their A332's and A359's.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:02 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 2):
Nice. It looks like IB has carbon-copied KLM's operation to CLO+MDE. I am sure Air Europa will not be happy.

I also think that Avianca (AV) will not be happy either, specially since they reduced CLO-MAD from 5x to 3x in 2013 despite average load factors of 85%.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 12):
It will be interesting to see if CLO can support both IB and KL.

It will be interesting indeed, but I think those flights will be supported. As I mentioned above, AV used to fly CLO-MAD 5X in A330 with LFs of 85%, now the operation is 3x; KLM operation is combined with BOG and it is clear that the bulk of pax will come from BOG, in my opinion if CLO adds 70-80 pax per flight to KLM they should be happy; As for IB operation, CLO is the main feeder (after BOG) of pax to IBs BOG-MAD, considering the latter, connections in MAD and that the flight is shared with MDE I see no issues.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:57 pm

to be honest with all the domestic connections in S.A IB has no excuse to not dominate that continent from MAD

the fact that UX has come this far is mere testament to IB incompetence- good luck using your A330-200's to compete with Europa'S 787'9'S
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:16 pm

Quoting Kashmon (Reply 21):
the fact that UX has come this far is mere testament to IB incompetence- good luck using your A330-200's to compete with Europa'S 787'9'S

By the time UX gets its 789 IB will have an A359 fleet .... and the "brand" despite your opinion
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:24 pm

IB is getting A359 in 2016?
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:57 pm

Quoting Kashmon (Reply 21):
the fact that UX has come this far is mere testament to IB incompetence

Iberia's restructuration has enabled the company to have much lower costs, something that AF-KLM management is struggling to achieve. Moreover, their product is much better now in many aspects. This year IB's performance has improved a lot and the perspectives of expansion and profits are promising. I wouldn't say they are incompetent.

Even with the 787s (UX is getting t787-8 are arriving next year and 787-9 in 2018 or so, I don't remember exactly) I don't think Iberia is on a worse position than UX. Iberia has a more extensive network, stronger brand, more premium customers and a much better terminal at MAD. Iberia plays a more important role in Oneworld than UX in Skyteam. I guess that AF-KLM won't give anything to UX in the South American market, while Iberia has the support from IAG and JV with LAN in Ecuador and Peru routes, and I can see the cooperation with LATAM going further in Brazil and Chile routes in the future.
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:06 am

exactly IB has all these benefits and has failed miserably

compared to the UX underdog...

why is AF-KLM in the picture they got no hub at MAD.

next year UX gets brand new 787's and IB wil fly their outdated A340's

looking at just fuel efficiency differences UX can out do IB on price so easily - I predict fliers will flock to it,
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:19 am

Great to see another service to Colombia, a country that is growing a lot !
Congrats to IB, as well as to CLE and MDE !

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 3):

I doubt FOR/REC will return, but MAD-BSB has a very good chance of being flown by either LATAM or Iberia.

I have severe doubts about the performance and the focus for Latam to fly it. So far they are only runing services that use a single aircraft (MIA and MCO) and even Buenos Aires is not a reality for BSB.
It would need two aircraft to be interesting, unless they plan a late night BSB-MAD with daylight return MAD-BSB.
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:28 am

Quoting Kashmon (Reply 25):

Iberia? Failed? Sure...

AF-KLM is in the picture because I'm talking about Europe-South America, not only MAD-South America.

Not only "outdated" A340s, brand new A330s as well, which are very good planes. The A346s suits very well to Iberia and its network, if they are keeping them until 2020 I guess they are not that bad for them.

I agree with fuel efficiency, but what about acquisition costs? I don't know what deal UX got for their 787s, but I'm sure IAG got a much better deal for the A330s, and some of the A340s are owned by Iberia while the leasing costs of the others are not as high as of the 787's. Besides, if fuel prices remain as they are, fuel costs will become less important. In any case, rumor has it that IAG is negotiating to bring forward the delivery of the A350s to 2016.

Ticket price is not everything. Network, connectivity, frequencies, services or FFP are also important, and Iberia is superior in that terms.
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:37 am

yes Iberia has failed and continues to fail...

fuel cost is the major cost for airlines

Iberia keeping planes is no evidence that what they are doing is a good thing- from their history if Airlines follow a rule of do the opposite Iberia does then that airline will be successful!!
most carriers have retired or are retiring their A340's

as LCC's that continue to dethrone legacy carriers have proved
ticket price IS pretty much everything.
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:07 am

Quoting Kashmon (Reply 28):
yes Iberia has failed and continues to fail...

I suggest that you do more research as you seem to be thinking of the Iberia at the crisis time a couple of years ago.
It is now rejuvenated and competitive. When you talk about outdated A340s, you seem to ignore that they only have 6 active A340-300, which in any case will be phased out as more A330s come in. There are currently 8 brand new A330-300s, which offer a great , fresh product. The A346-600 offer that modern feel too in most of the fleet, with only the last 4 aircraft to be refurbished.
Financially, IB's restructuring allowed it to stem its losses. Watch out for the full year results at the end of Feb to see that IB is back in profit.
I have nothing against UX and wish them well, but they will increasingly have it much harder competing against IB. Their 787s might give them some better product uniformity, as for now they have a mix-mash of A330s, some ropier than others, some with old fashioned IFE, some with none.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 18):
Now that IB MAD-PTY-MAD has CM code-share, were CM CLO and MDE flights getting any IB connecting traffic?
Wonder if IB already had planned MAD-MDE-CLO-MAD but the numbers of passengers connecting @ CM PTY hub were so attractive IB now rushed to start the route.

They have been able to see the traffic to CLO and MDE even from their own feeding of the AV routes from MAD which Iberia does, and also from the codeshare with AV at BOG that IB have had for many years.
It's just that perhaps they knew that that they were not competitive vs AV in order to compete head to head. Now it's another matter. Willie Walsh said that now that IB is fit, they would go out to compete.
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:13 am

It's great to see IB starting routes again.

I do agree that now Brasilia should be soon in the network, even years ago when they started Fortaleza for me it was a non sense.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 19):

That is also my impression, which is why it is rumored that IB is pushing for earlier delivery of their A332's and A359's.

It will be great if they can get early birds but I don't think it will be that easy, let's see.

Quoting Kashmon (Reply 25):
exactly IB has all these benefits and has failed miserably

Why exactly??

Quoting Kashmon (Reply 25):
next year UX gets brand new 787's and IB wil fly their outdated A340's

Your info about the A340 is outdated, the planes are quite nice actually.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 18):
Now that IB MAD-PTY-MAD has CM code-share, were CM CLO and MDE flights getting any IB connecting traffic?

So far only 3 times a week so the rest of the days PTY or BOG will the choice.

Quoting mfc (Reply 8):
I'm still hoping to be surprised by Iberia with new destinations to other places apart from Latin America, like U.S., Canada, Africa or Asia.

It'D be nice to see something new but I think some routes can be restarted before, then something new might come.
I always though that IB could expand in West Africa but maybe next season after all this Eboracum issue is well clear we could see some.

Quoting mfc (Reply 8):
JNB is another suspended destination that has not been resumed yet

IB was not doing so great in JNB plus the fact that most European airlines have the planes the whole day doing nothing at JNB was not very attractive, now I think they use the plane for LAD, very controlled and limited market, so yields and fares are quite good. But MAD has an excellent network for European transit pax and JNB, maybe the bignore gap is the UK outside London area.
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:21 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 30):
I always though that IB could expand in West Africa but maybe next season after all this Eboracum issue is well clear we could see some.

Agree. And no need for A330's/A340's there, IB can cover it all with more 2-class configured A319's, their geographic advantage vs other EU carriers which they should exploit.
 
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting Kashmon (Reply 25):
looking at just fuel efficiency differences UX can out do IB on price so easily - I predict fliers will flock to it,

Like summa767 said:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 29):
I have nothing against UX and wish them well, but they will increasingly have it much harder competing against IB.

  

And just an example to illustrate it. IB resumed MVD in Sept, a route that was started by UX when IB axed it during its restructuring.

Since then, IB now carries 62% more passengers than UX on the route. Their LF was similar the first month, but in December IB's load factor was 88,7% vs. UX 67,6%. Number of pax: Sept IB 8.153 vs. UX 7.332; December IB 8.970 vs. UX 5.540.

Source with graphics (in Spanish): http://jlopezbio.com/2015/01/22/iber...n-montevideo-en-pasajeros-y-carga/

Quoting Kashmon (Reply 28):

yes Iberia has failed and continues to fail...

The new IB, post-restructuring, is very different from the IB that you have in mind. Here you have some highlights showing what IB has achieved in 2014 and has planned for 2015:

* This year, IB Express fleet to grow from 17 to 20 aircraft.
* IB will finish the retrofit of its 17 A346 in a few months.
* At the end of this year, IB will start taking delivery of its order of 8 A332 and 8 A359.

So, in just a few months, IB's longhaul fleet will have:

- 17 A346 and 8 A333 all with new interiors in J and Y, PTVs/AVOD, etc.
- 7 A343 with new interiors, used in less premium markets, with USB and power outlets in Y.

It is still 6 or 7 aircraft less than what IB used to have, but there are rumors that the A343 could stay even when the A332 start arriving later this year, and that an 8th which is currently stored could return to service this summer.

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* IB has been the 3rd most punctual network airline in the world in 2014, being the first in JUN, AUG, OCT and DEC.
* IB Express has been the most punctual low cost airline in the world in 2014.
* IB customer perception of quality has been among the best in the airline history.

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* During 2014, IB resumed flights to MAD, SDQ, IST and ATH. IB Express resumed ARN.
* During 2015, IB will resume or start flights to HAV, CLO, MDE, FLR, HAM, CTA, PMO, BUD and FNC. SDQ will become daily and TLV capicity will grow by 30% with the use of the A333.
* During 2015, IB Express will resume or start: EDI, MAN, LGW, NAP, VRN, CDG, LYS, NTE, NCE and BUD.

IB has now resumed all its legacy long haul destinations that were dropped during its restructuring (that is, not counting brief attemps like IAD, COR and FOR/REC), except two: SJU and JNB. And, IMO, IB will be back to SJU if UX keeps the route.

Regarding the European network, IB is adding a lot of secondary destinations from MAD that were unimaginable some years ago (for IB, and also for MAD, which is much less touristic than BCN).

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This is going to be the first full year post-restructuring, so IB will need some time to get new aircraft and resume old destinations and frequencies, but, IMO, from next year (2016), IB will start expanding and competing more vigorously, leaving its old conservative philosophy behind.
 
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:55 pm

I will be interesting to see if the delivery of A359 results in the launch of flights to Asia (as IAG has suggested, but with the support of partners). Then Madrid will be on the way to becoming a truly global hub.
 
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Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:59 am

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 33):
I will be interesting to see if the delivery of A359 results in the launch of flights to Asia (as IAG has suggested, but with the support of partners). Then Madrid will be on the way to becoming a truly global hub.

Some destinations in Asia will work well, but IB has to invest a lot of money to build a name in that places, right now is no one in Asia if you compare with many other European airlines.

Quoting realsim (Reply 32):
And just an example to illustrate it. IB resumed MVD in Sept, a route that was started by UX when IB axed it during its restructuring.

Since then, IB now carries 62% more passengers than UX on the route. Their LF was similar the first month, but in December IB's load factor was 88,7% vs. UX 67,6%. Number of pax: Sept IB 8.153 vs. UX 7.332; December IB 8.970 vs. UX 5.540.

Iberia network in huge compare with UX, but I think UX is going to improve that, and it's a very good example, but I'd like IB and UX doing great and getting pax from other airlines like AF, KLM or LH.

Quoting realsim (Reply 32):

Very nice post, I'd like to add something extra, MAD is an excellent airport with good infrastructure and no night curfew, so this could help IB and UX to expand and improve services for customers, some other airlines-airport can't say the same And they'd love to.
 
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Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:13 am

if IB was smart they would get to Asia before UX
do spain is tied to their name...

but then this is a carrier that HAS ACTIVELY handed over market share to UX over the last few years- they'd probably throw a party for UX to get to Asia first.
 
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Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:52 pm

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 33):
I will be interesting to see if the delivery of A359 results in the launch of flights to Asia (as IAG has suggested, but with the support of partners). Then Madrid will be on the way to becoming a truly global hub.

It could even even happen before the A350s arrive -It's said that IB want to bring forward their deliveries.
But, IB also has A332s coming, and IAG has options for 10 more A330s..
 
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RE: Iberia To Fly Havana, Cali And Medellin

Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:58 am

With the A330s and better product IB could make a 4 weekly JNB flight work again...if offering good connections to Portugal/Spain/North Africa and the Americas
When they pulled the route they were basically the only one left with a bad product between South Africa and Europe...as the MEB3 and TK offered better options (and started MAD also) and AF/LH started using A380s to JNB
Around the same time TAP also pulled JNB, so the gap for that area got bigger. With the Spanish/Portuguese and Southern Africa economies improving again, it can become viable...once again mentioning with good onward connections as well.
IB was probably the European airline (bar KLM) that spent the least time on the ground at JNB vs the other EU carriers...although still long...but arriving mostly around 11am, and departing between 8pm-9pm...so roughly 9/10 hours...while others like BA/LH/AF/LX is spending between 10 to 12 hours on the ground at JNB.
If they want to minimise that and perhaps add more, they could do a tag-on to Maputo (MPM), which will also feed some traffic to Portugal...almost similar kind of reason for operating LAD now.

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