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Quoting pnd100 (Thread starter): Dubai, Frankfurt, Istanbul, Seoul, Hong Kong and Bangkok. These are the places — not New York or Chicago or Los Angeles |
Quoting pnd100 (Thread starter): Two years ago in a CNN poll of 1,200 overseas business travelers who have visited the United States, a full 20% said they would not visit the United States again due to onerous entry procedures at airports, including long processing lines. Forty-three percent said they would discourage others from visiting the United States. Separately, in a copy of Air Line Pilot magazine, US Chamber of Commerce counsel Carol Hallett stated that “the United States risks falling behind Asia, the Middle East, and Europe as the global aviation leader.” |
Quoting pnd100 (Thread starter): The United States of America may have pioneered commercial aviation, but today the crossroads of global air commerce are places like Dubai, Frankfurt, Istanbul, Seoul, Hong Kong and Bangkok. |
Quoting mats (Reply 8): There are a few improvements. The trial program for checked luggage is in place. Passengers making international-to-international connections in Houston, for example, do not need to claim their bags. These bags are sent directly to their next flight. |
Quoting ua900 (Reply 9): If you're inbound to the U.S. you already went through enhanced screening at the departure gate in the country where your flight originated |
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10): On the other hand, find me one person who enjoys transiting in JFK, ORD, MIA, or LAX. SFO, IAD, and BOS arent bad. DFW, IAH, SEA, and ATL are the best from a true hub experiance in the US IMO. |
Quoting pnd100 (Thread starter): Two years ago in a CNN poll of 1,200 overseas business travelers who have visited the United States, a full 20% said they would not visit the United States again due to onerous entry procedures at airports, |
Quoting pnd100 (Thread starter): The United States of America may have pioneered commercial aviation, but today the crossroads of global air commerce are places like Dubai, Frankfurt, Istanbul, Seoul, Hong Kong and Bangkok. These are the places — not New York or Chicago or Los Angeles — that are setting the standards. They’ve got the best airports, the fastest-growing airlines, and the most convenience for travelers. |
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 16): I really don't see the Need for lessening the entry security . You want to come to Rome? We'll ? We're the Romans. Nobody has really had that much of a problem that they're staying home. |
Quoting a380787 (Reply 19): It's not the entry security, but the transit security. In the US, someone going from YYZ to PTY must "enter" the US then exit the US while most hubs globally allow you to pass through the hub in the sterile area without ever bothering entering the transit nation. But since the concept of "sterile transit" doesn't really apply to the US, it's rather moot. |
Quoting Prost (Reply 2): There has to be a middle ground, but in the US we haven't found it. In fact, in the US we keep electing officials who promise to downsize government, and one of the casualties is infrastructure. |
Quoting mats (Reply 8): Although pre-clearance is controversial for its cost, departure delays, and that it serves an airport with no US carriers (Abu Dhabi), this could make the transfer experience less painful in some airports. The US government seems keen to expand the programme, so it could help a little. |
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 14): Airports in the U.S. certainly aren't getting worse, especially for international travelers. Off the top of my head almost all of the country's primary intercontinental hubs - ATL, DFW, DTW, IAD, IAH, JFK, LAS, LAX, MIA, PHL and SFO - have unveiled new world class international terminals in the past 10 years or so. During the same time smaller international airports like IND, MDW, RDU, RSW and SJC have gained great new terminals too, although these are primarily enjoyed by domestic pax. Aging terminals are in the process of being replaced at other international gateways including FLL, MSY, SLC, and even LGA. These lists are by no means exhaustive, simply a way to provide examples of progress being made throughout the country. |
Quoting a380787 (Reply 15): especially when the ethnic visitors arrive with 10 checked bags and cannot speak any language other than their home country's. |
Quoting a380787 (Reply 15): Sometimes the small "forgotten" airports are best to transit at ... like SJC. It's anything but glamorous terminal, but thanks to very few international flights, the arrival is such a breeze. I had similar experiences in other airports like GMP and SHA. |
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 13): We can fix this rather quickly. Going forward worldwide transit passengers should clear immigration, customs and security at every transit point. |
Quoting StTim (Reply 26): I still don't understand why on arrival at ATL from London it is necessary to go through full screening, collect bags, clear customs and then have your bag atken away again so that it can be deposited on a baggage belt in a completely open collection area. |
Quoting StTim (Reply 26): I still don't understand why on arrival at ATL from London it is necessary to go through full screening, collect bags, clear customs and then have your bag atken away again so that it can be deposited on a baggage belt in a completely open collection area. |
Quoting pnd100 (Thread starter): US Chamber of Commerce counsel Carol Hallett stated that “the United States risks falling behind Asia, the Middle East, and Europe as the global aviation leader.” |
Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 29): These sorts of stories may be the vast minority but they get wings when spread by mouth, social media and other news stories. |
Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 29): I know a businessman who is related to a former coworker from South America who hadn't traveled much to the US in the last 5 years. He did a cross marketing agreement with US and Canadian companies. On arrival in NYC he was subjected to a 4 hour "interview" with US Customs and "other" officials (DEA?) and questioned on his import and export and everything was swiped for drugs. The handles of his suitcase lit up. (someone who touched it had touched drugs but nothing inside). He called the treatment humiliating, guilty until proven innocent and verbally abusive. |
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10): I couldnt agree more. ICN, FRA, and DOH are dreams to transit in. |
Quoting rwsea (Reply 33): ICN I will give you. I have not been through the new DOH, although the old DOH was a nightmare. FRA is not a dream, unless you count nightmares as a dream. The place is crowded, dirty, dingy, has horrible signage, and it is not easy to connect between terminals. The tunnel from A to B for example is several stories down and the only way to access it is via a tiny elevator or several flights of stairs. The place is also horribly ventilated and often requires lengthy bus rides from the gate. FRA is probably my least favorite place in Europe. |
Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 35): Automating everything in the form of kiosks seems to be their preferred solution, which is good for US citizens but terrible for everyone else. |
Quoting MavyWavyATR (Reply 38): Some of you might disagree with me on this one, but newer terminal designs in the US are starting to be like a broken record; simple lines and glass. The first thing people look at when they come to the airport is obviously the terminal building. It's a proven fact that no one wants a building to look ugly and the designers try to make it appealing to the eye. While I give them credit for creative designs like at LGB and KOA, it just seems that designs these days are starting to lose their 'special' appeal. |
Quoting StTim (Reply 26): I still don't understand why on arrival at ATL from London it is necessary to go through full screening, collect bags, clear customs and then have your bag atken away again so that it can be deposited on a baggage belt in a completely open collection area. |
Quoting mayor (Reply 39): I think the biggest problem is customs and TSA and yet I hear that LHR isn't much better in this regard......I'm sure there must be other non-U.S. airports that have these same kind of problems. |
Quoting a380787 (Reply 15): Sometimes the small "forgotten" airports are best to transit at ... like SJC. |
Quote: The connection process in HKG went like this: I stepped off the plane from Bangkok into a quiet, spacious, immaculately clean concourse, and walked to my connecting gate about six minutes away. A short while later I walked onto my flight to Amsterdam |
Quoting sejtam (Reply 44): I flew through HKG one had to pass security there between arrival gate and connecting gate. Same for NRT.. Did I miss something? |
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 34): The new DOH airport is the best airport experience Ive ever had in my million plus miles of flying. Best airport in the world in my opinion. |
Quote: Two years ago in a CNN poll of 1,200 overseas business travelers who have visited the United States, a full 20% said they would not visit the United States again due to onerous entry procedures at airports, including long processing lines. |