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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:39 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 147):
By a show of posts, how many of you CLE residents have flown on UA's mainline or express CLE-FLL-CLE flight? Doing a bit of research.

I used to fly CO/UA FLL-CLE-FLL quite frequently, but it has been quite a while now since relocating to RDU.
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:39 pm

Yet another negative F9 article in the PD today. I swear that "newspaper" has a deathwish. They don't even try for balance.

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/inde..._outline_their.html#incart_m-rpt-1
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:50 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 151):
Yet another negative F9 article in the PD today. I swear that "newspaper" has a deathwish. They don't even try for balance.

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/inde..._outline_their.html#incart_m-rpt-1

No balanced reporting that F9 is going thru a radical transition, or other logistics of a smaller fleet carrier. Just negative publicity for one of the rescuers. The commentary section alone has posts both supporting (from decent experience) and blasting (from negative experience). Gee, sounds like every other U.S. airline, the only difference is the big guys might have a better chance at getting you to your destination a little quicker after a horrendous delay considering all their connecting opportunity coupled with shear fleet size.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:54 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 151):

They're not exactly wrong. As a Clevelander, I hope for success for all new airlines starting service here but I would not book on Frontier they way they are going. I have both friends and co-workers that have their own horror stories about flying Frontier out of CLE since their expansion. Most have to do with delays or last minute schedule changes. I don't even get the PD, but didn't need them to tell me that F9 is definitely having some growing pains.

The price is right and I would love to try Frontier - but not until they get their act together.

chris

[Edited 2015-03-26 09:56:05]
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:54 pm

Quoting chrisjake (Reply 153):
I don't even get the PD, but didn't need them to tell me that F9 is definitely having some growing pains.

Absolutely true, and I'm not trying to be an F9 booster, but the article is extremely one-sided and its author usually isn't - which makes me think the editor juiced it up.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:55 pm

^or maybe the author got burned herself from F9. I've never flown them so have no personal experience, but they are not an airline I initially think of when looking for a flight. Their quick dropping of CLE-LGA--a route I would have considered using them for--left them a black eye for me on top of their general reputation.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Mar 27, 2015 2:00 pm

Author has not been burned, she's actually written of her F9 and NK experiences. Had she been burned she would have noted that in article. Considering the volume of passengers they are moving without the ability to re-route you through ORD, IAH, or EWR they aren't so bad, after all you get what you pay for most of the time.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:11 pm

Quoting greenair727 (Reply 155):
Their quick dropping of CLE-LGA--a route I would have considered using them for--left them a black eye for me on top of their general reputation.

I'm not sure why Frontier even started that route. With only two LGA slots, there were many better revenue opportunities in their system than short-haul CLE. CLE-ORD kind of made sense since ORD is a crew domicile, but not LGA.

The way to serve CLE-LGA might be with a late night flight, arriving and departing LGA after 10PM, which I believe avoids the slot restrictions.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Mar 27, 2015 4:55 pm

^ such a late night flight would also be a market differentiator. And I think there would be a lot of demand for it. If someone was done for the day in NY but couldn't leave Manhattan to go to LGA by around 6-7pm for the current last departure, they would be forced to spend $200-300 to spend the night for a hotel just to catch the next flight back and lose time being in a city once their work/meeting was done. If there was an 11pm flight out I think many business people WOULD take it even if on F9, just to be able to get an 11pm departure for LGA-CLE.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting greenair727 (Reply 158):
If there was an 11pm flight out I think many business people WOULD take it even if on F9, just to be able to get an 11pm departure for LGA-CLE.

LGA's slot rule is effective from 0600 to 2159. A fairly civilized 8:45PM from CLE and a 10:00PM from LGA could work, getting people home around midnight. A 0559 departure from LGA could work also.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:23 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 157):
CLE-ORD kind of made sense since ORD is a crew domicile, but not LGA.

CLE-ORD was a poor choice because Frontier pretty much had to ensure it's fares were lower than Southwest for the fares to be attractive, but yield management needed some high fares to be sold to make a profit. The route competed against MegaBus and a straightforward drive for the very cost conscious.

Towards the east, my thinking is the CAK-DCA/LGA routes from Southwest played a part for Frontier not being have it's CLE-IAD/LGA be really exclusive.

During the short-run of CLE-ORD from Frontier though, Southwest and United didn't fare match Frontier. Southwest sold fares no less than $92 Wanna Get Away.

This is unlike now where both Southwest and United are fare matching Frontier (and maybe Spirit) on a few ORD routes, including ORD-PHL, with fares from Southwest as low as $89 Wanna Get Away on a longer route.

NK operates DTW-LGA and it's really exclusive. There is no FNT-LGA around or anything. The drive is longer, DTW technically a bigger market than CLE also which helps, and there is no competing low fare service around. The change planes in Chicago option is also undesirable. AA and DL charge nonstop fares for business pax so that gives NK pretty much the leisure/VFR market to itself.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:34 pm

In 2014 (for the first time in I don't know how long) the five-county CLE MSA actually grew in population - by a small number to be sure (only 3,426), but the trend is CLE's friend. For the last five years the loss has been a consistently declining number until it has finally turned positive again. The improvement in demographics (education, age, and income) is even better; and the average employed workforce is higher than it's been since 2009.

No wonder we have seen O&D improving so dramatically over this past year; yes lower fares helped, but CLE is a different place these days.  



[Edited 2015-03-28 09:39:30]
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:00 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 161):
In 2014 (for the first time in I don't know how long) the five-county CLE MSA actually grew in population - by a small number to be sure (only 3,426), but the trend is CLE's friend. For the last five years the loss has been a consistently declining number until it has finally turned positive again. The improvement in demographics (education, age, and income) is even better; and the average employed workforce is higher than it's been since 2009.

No wonder we have seen O&D improving so dramatically over this past year; yes lower fares helped, but CLE is a different place these days.  


While I don't live in Cleveland, I do live in Canton currently and I agree. NE Ohio is not as down and depressing as it was say 5 years ago. Even down here things have started to pick up again. That being said I wish mother nature would just be nicer to us. I was not a fan of it snowing all day yesterday. I moved to Canton from Georgia a few years ago and sadly I am looking at moving back down south because I hate the weather and the potholes. I'll always love NE Ohio though, and wish nothing but the best for CLE and CAK!
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:41 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 161):
the five-county CLE MSA actually grew in population - by a small number to be sure (only 3,426),

I'm wrong - that's what I get for using PD data. Using pure Census Bureau data the MSA population acrtually declined by 1,127 people (subject to Census Bur. revision), another small number, but a decline nevertheless.  

[Edited 2015-03-28 11:57:14]
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:28 am

New CLE Airport Terminal map out verified JetBlue is in C, but not much more detail than that. Also, new (to me) CLE website.

http://www.clevelandairport.com/site...ult/files/airport-terminal-map.pdf
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:15 pm

VX is serving Branson, MO with service to SFO, LAX, AND LGA? Isn't Branson a little town? I write this in the CLE thread, as CLE would be a much stronger addition to VX's network than Branson. I've never heard anyone I know ever go to or have to go Branson, Missouri.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:42 pm

Quoting greenair727 (Reply 165):
VX is serving Branson, MO with service to SFO, LAX, AND LGA? Isn't Branson a little town? I write this in the CLE thread, as CLE would be a much stronger addition to VX's network than Branson. I've never heard anyone I know ever go to or have to go Branson, Missouri.

I see nothing on their website about Branson, except that the creator of Virgin is Sir Richard Branson. Someone might be having a little fun with Wikipedia reporting VX service to BKG.
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:00 pm

you would think so, but here:

http://www.frombransonwithlove.com/
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:07 pm

Happy (early) April Fool's  
Quoting greenair727 (Reply 167):

you would think so, but here:
http://www.frombransonwithlove.com/
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:34 pm

Quoting greenair727 (Reply 165):
I've never heard anyone I know ever go to or have to go Branson, Missouri.

Country music and gambling in the Ozarks. Branson started out with a boom but has become more and more a regional draw (St. Louis) as the lure of gambling gets diminished by the proliferation of casinos around the country.

BKG's passenger count in 2013 was 131,671 - in 2014 was 54.142.

[Edited 2015-03-31 08:54:59]
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:24 pm

Me say an early april fools joke. I truly do hope that CLE is an AS or VX city soon.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:15 pm

^ really? I hope you're right--for VX's own sake, but its on VX's own site-- see bottom left of:

https://www.virginamerica.com/
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:49 pm

It looks like F9 will be bringing back a few more DEN flights from CLE with their late summer schedule extension. August and September have 11 weekly flights, up from 7 now. In October it looks like it goes 2x daily CLE-DEN. It's interesting because they've seemed to slash their DEN operations this year, perhaps they've changed their tune about DEN, or CLE just happens to be an exception.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:46 am

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 172):
In October it looks like it goes 2x daily CLE-DEN

Oct 2015 will be very different from Oct 2014. It looks like 2x DEN, MCO, and LAS, 1x ATL, TPA, and RSW, and less than daily to CUN and PUJ - about 9.5 flights daily.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:56 pm

^what did Oct 2014 look like?
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:21 pm

2014 was about the same in terms of total weekly frequencies, but they were scattered over twice as many cities. In 2015 Frontier is concentrating on 6, and will offer the most capacity from CLE to MCO and LAS.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:47 pm

Last October was probably the "peak" in terms of number of destinations served by F9 at CLE. Of all the destinations served last fall, only DEN was daily; everything else was less than daily and in many cases just 3 days a week. This fall every domestic destination from CLE on F9 is daily or 2x daily. Overall, the number of flights per week is about the same as last year. This should be much more accommodating for passengers who no longer have to choose days to travel based on when the carrier is flying.

I wish CLE would update their website stats in a more timely fashion. They posted their year end December stats a little over 2 months ago now, but have yet to add January or February. CAK has posted their Jan and Feb stats, and both months were down about 5% compared to the prior year, so it's possible that CLE is continuing to retain more local pax that have previously flown out of CAK. With NK having all of their new flights started by May, B6 starting at the end of the month, and G4 starting at CAK next month it seems like there might be too much new LCC and ULCC capacity for the NE Ohio market especially when you factor in F9's growth last year. I wouldn't be surprised to see a handful of these new routes not make it, just like what F9 went through last fall.

As a comparison, NK started MCI last year and it hasn't done as well as expected. Many routes went down to less than daily and a couple were dropped completely. Granted, MCI has a huge WN presence compared to CLE, so that might have presented some challenges, but I do wonder if NK will experience a similar start at CLE? NK starts LAX, MYR, ATL, and BOS over the next few weeks, with DFW, LAS, MCO, FLL, TPA, and RSW already operating. That's a pretty large list of cities to start a new station with, and I wonder how many of these survive into next year?

[Edited 2015-04-05 14:03:28]
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:44 pm

UA seems to be aggressively price matching B6 to Boston when they commence flights at the end of the month. It's interesting that UA still wants to compete for a now point to point route from CLE, when they've abandoned so much already. Since the initial list of destinations to be cut from CLE, UA has since axed ALB, BWI, FLL, RSW, TPA, FLL, and DFW. CLE-BOS must have been a highly profitable route for them to fight for it. With fares now half of what they've historically been, who's going to cave first? Available seats on CLE-BOS will triple compared to last summer.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:53 pm

^ Obviously (since they cheerfully kissed off 2 million pax a year in CLE) the BOS end of the route is more important to UA. If they devolve to hubs only their BOS presence will wither away to insignificance. They've nearly been elbowed out of BOS-LAX already and face multiple-airline competition to NYC, WAS, ORD, DEN, and SFO.

Make a stand somewhere or give away BOS? It's a big market.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:57 pm

Lots of news in the Plain Dealer lately about delaying several large project that won't be ready for the RNC. Any news on the airport refurbishment? Didn't sse much last week when I was there.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:41 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 180):
Lots of news in the Plain Dealer lately about delaying several large project that won't be ready for the RNC. Any news on the airport refurbishment? Didn't sse much last week when I was there.

That's a bit of hyperbole! One project-- the pedestrian bridge-- was delayed. The inner belt was never supposed to be done before the convention, they tried to accelerate the project but the wiggle room had already been used up in the horrific 2015 winter. Nor was the NuCLEus project assuming that one pulls together. Nor was the opportunity corridor or the showery redo.

As far as I know the airport, the convention center hotel, and public square remain on track.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:34 pm

^The improvements at Hopkins were discussed in the PD (a while back). What are the improvements that will be done at BKL? Those were never detailed.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:21 pm

Quoting greenair727 (Reply 182):

^The improvements at Hopkins were discussed in the PD (a while back). What are the improvements that will be done at BKL? Those were never detailed.

New air hangar for one of the FBO operators is all that I saw. Sure hope they don't sink anymore $ into BKL.

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 181):
As far as I know the airport, the convention center hotel, and public square remain on track.

Fair enough...just find it odd that I don't see any construction starting for a project that needs to be done in 14 months including a CLE winter.

Also, no news about Ricky's "other" airline yet...so, at best it's a fall launch for whomever. AS would have missed the entire high summer cruise and travel season so that seems less likely. However, VX could have one stop SFO > Hawaii service now if the added CLE??????
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:42 am

http://www.nextantaerospace.com/corporate-media/video.html

Nextant has posted a couple videos taken at CGF showing the rollout, engine start, and first flight of their remanufactured King Air and also reported the sale of 5 more G400XTi's.

I wonder if one of their planes is flying for OneJet on their initial route (IND-MKE). Onejet is calling it a Hawker 400, but it looks all shiny and new. If OneJet's business plan (using a business jet on commercial routes between medium sized cities with schedules tailored to business flying) is a success, they'll probably show up in CLE before long.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:53 pm

Quoting fun2fly:

New air hangar for one of the FBO operators is all that I saw. Sure hope they don't sink anymore $ into BKL.

perhaps it is only upgrades to signs. from the PD:

"...Upgrades to airport signs at Hopkins and Burke Lakefront Airport..."

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...opkins_airport_says_its_ready.html

If we have BKL, we should leverage it and make it the best facility it can be. Thus, I was hoping we'd see more improvements (like real gates) than just signage improvements. I'd like to see AA serve the airport---at least for a few months around the RNC. With just a few jetways, gate furniture/PA system/signs, and a baggage carousel--all of which would not cost that much--after this, BKL would be better positioned to get real service (including from an airline that may not want to serve Hopkins---perhaps OneJet--as described above or Porter Air).
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:28 pm

That Hopkins article is ten months old. Seems as if they should start work *soon* if they want to finish in it a year.

Maybe it's a proposal being quietly forgotten. No RFP has yet been listed on the airport site that I know of.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:43 pm

January stats are out for CLE and the numbers are pretty good. January 2015 pax fell only 5.8% compared to January 2014. Considering UA was operating a hub in CLE last January, a 5.8% drop shows that CLE is experiencing very good O&D growth.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:40 pm

That is really good news, lakeeffect. I felt like CLE would be better off without the UA hub that wasn't really a hub anyway--- I'll take $99 fares to FLL and $79 to BOS over nonstop flights to Madison and Grand Rapids any day.

Isn't it interesting that once Jet Blue arrives on the scene, then United magically adds a fifth flight to BOS? That fifth flight has been needed, but instead UA preferred to gouge the local passengers. Thank you competition.

Don't get me wrong I'd love CLE to be a mega hub like Charlotte, but that was not in the cards and never will be in the cards. Instead I'd rather have the CLE of today rather than the CLE of a year ago. You gotta figuring CLE is keeping on to travelers who were previously driving to CAK or PIT in search of reasonable fares.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:52 pm

Digging a little deeper into the January 2015 year over year numbers (domestic only):

Southwest pax in CLE grew by 11.9% from 60,634 to 67,855. It's a little surprising that we haven't seen WN do much at CLE considering the growth in pax they've seen. Looking at the F9 numbers below, WN isn't having a problem growing pax at CLE alongside F9's explosive growth. The question is, when will WN add more destinations from CLE?

Frontier pax grew by 1,179% from 5,656 to 72,315 in January 2015. F9 clearly isn't having a problem stimulating new traffic in CLE. Once again they were the second largest carrier in CLE for the month of January.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:13 pm

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 188):
Don't get me wrong I'd love CLE to be a mega hub like Charlotte, but that was not in the cards and never will be in the cards.

CLE could be hub again if another airline like CO came along that *needed* a midwestern hub. The trouble is there aren't any new CO's coming along. There was about a six-year gap between the UA and CO hubs the last time; so nothing quick should be expected.

A good replacement for the lost business routes might be OneJet; let's hope they are a success operating between mid-size cities with business jets at full-Y prices.

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 189):
The question is, when will WN add more destinations from CLE?

DAL and DCA sucked up almost all of their 2014 capacity growth. I think CLE was lucky to see PHX added. WN's continued weakness in CAK (down 10.3% Jan 15 over Jan14) will probably get their attention this year.

It's disappointing that Frontier seems to have turned their attention to other places. Maybe more CLE growth will have to wait for new aircraft deliveries next winter.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:16 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 190):
DAL and DCA sucked up almost all of their 2014 capacity growth. I think CLE was lucky to see PHX added. WN's continued weakness in CAK (down 10.3% Jan 15 over Jan14) will probably get their attention this year.

Yes but some of that love at DAL and DCA went to PIT and CMH, none of it save the flight to PHX went to CLE---- WN and CLE have never been much of a match made in heaven.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:33 pm

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 191):
Yes but some of that love at DAL and DCA went to PIT and CMH, none of it save the flight to PHX went to CLE---- WN and CLE have never been much of a match made in heaven.

And one of those DCA slot pairs did go to CAK, but once again no "luv" for CLE. The PHX add was more likely to protect PHX from AA, rather than expanding CLE. If WN does decide to trim capacity at CAK to meet current demand, I could easily see WN move those desirable slot pairs to CMH, PIT, or IND where their focus has been.

With that said, any new WN growth at CLE will probably come as some other WN airport's list of expansion destinations. For example I could see CLE added as part of some HOU growth plan.

WN's next extension is in mid May so we'll see if it's once again another yawn for CLE.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:14 am

Been hearing some here in CLE "rumors" that UA might bring back the PHX flight in the fall, but who knows.
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:29 am

JetBlue's Gate in CLE is coming along...

http://i.imgur.com/MXWUweH.jpg
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:31 am

PHX would be great, but Id prefer Florida, I cant believe they gave it up, didn't meet expectations, that's a joke. I know NK and F9 made them look like thieves on pricing but that market should not have been surrendered so quickly.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:44 am

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 192):
For example I could see CLE added as part of some HOU growth plan.

UA has reduced CLE-IAH to one 737 and 4 RJs. Message: "Please, somebody, come and take this route off my hands."
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:47 am

Sending EVERYONE through ORD for EVERYTHING. used to be able to fly CLE IAH MSY now all ORD, same goes for many others cities too. Sad.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:11 am

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 187):
January stats are out for CLE and the numbers are pretty good. January 2015 pax fell only 5.8% compared to January 2014. Considering UA was operating a hub in CLE last January, a 5.8% drop shows that CLE is experiencing very good O&D growth.

What are the final January numbers for all airlines compared to before. Just curious to see how much UA dropped, and who has picked up the slack. I see F9 is doing very good, but did DL and other airlines also see an increase. Much appreciated! I'm glad to see that overall you guys are holding your own after the UA pull down.
 
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RE: What's Going On In CLE - Part 9

Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:26 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 196):
UA has reduced CLE-IAH to one 737 and 4 RJs. Message: "Please, somebody, come and take this route off my hands."

Boggles my mind really. Can't figure out the huge drop in capacity (think 753 on the 9AM turn in the past) and 5x mainline daily.

Quoting LifetimeGS (Reply 197):
Sending EVERYONE through ORD for EVERYTHING. used to be able to fly CLE IAH MSY now all ORD, same goes for many others cities too. Sad.

Not sure I agree with the via ORD or DEN for that matter. ORD still has about 1,100 seats per day on few flights, but mainline, which was the same pre hub. No real growth. DEN is about the same also with 3x daily on 1-2 737 and 1-2 CR7's. So, no real growth there. I think the IAH pax are just going on DL and AA as their growth is well documented with up gauging ORD/ATL/MSP/DFW.

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