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Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:09 pm

The A340 hasn't been available for new sale for years now, has it not?
Why is it then that Airbus' site seem to go through lengths to not indicate this?

Read their description on even the A345:
Airbus keeps the A340-500 and the other members of its A340 Family updated to meet market requirements and the evolution of technology.
Sorta comes off as disingenuously deceptive, to say about a defunct model.
Why do they do this, when they have the A350 out and selling like hotcakes?

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Apparently, my question needs some clarification: I'm asking why they still seem to be presenting it as a current sales model, not as a plane that still flies competitively in the current market-- which it obviously does.

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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:21 pm

I see A340s landing every few minutes from my office windows, they make a lot of money for their owners, so clearly as long as LH or IB or AF or many others fly them, Airbus will update them. The time span between end of production and declaration as defunct is two decades to my understanding...
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:26 pm

And why does it bother you so? You know the programme has been shelved, Airbus knows the programme has been shelved, their customers know it too, so what does sit matter?
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:30 pm

How about Airbus is working with their customers to continue refining existing A340 operations to keep them as efficient as possible? The last A340 was delivered what, 2-3 years ago? Of course they still care about them.
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:32 pm

Quoting CrimsonChin (Reply 2):
And why does it bother you so? You know the programme has been shelved, Airbus knows the programme has been shelved, their customers know it too, so what does sit matter?

A better question would be, why do you assume it "bothers" me?

I'm simply wondering why they do this. It'd be no different if Boeing was still presenting the 757 as such, or something along those lines.
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:33 pm

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 1):
The time span between end of production and declaration as defunct is two decades to my understanding...

So aircraft manufacturers continue to update their products even after they have stopped producing new ones? I presumed it would have just been maintenance issues.

What kind of updates are we talking about here, out of interests sake?
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:34 pm

Okay, pause.

I'm not asking about the updates. I'm asking why they still seem to be presenting the aircraft as if it were available for new sale.

OP updated to reflect that.
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:39 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 6):
I'm not asking about the updates. I'm asking why they still seem to be presenting the aircraft as if it were available for new sale.

I was not aware that they were not offering the A340 anymore...there is just no one buying them at this point. The A340 is made on the same assembly line as the A330, so as long as that assembly line is still open, then Airbus can still manufacture the A340 if an order comes in.
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:42 pm

Yes, just with the A338 A339 A359 A3510 offering it is extremely unlikely someone orders them.
 
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Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:43 pm

Correct me if I am wrong but A340-200 and A340-300 are not available for sale anymore, just the NG (A345 and A346). This is due to the fact that A330 line is open and A330/A340 were built on the same line.

Will new orders for A340 realize? Hardly so (despite the fact that IMHO A343 is very elegant plane).

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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:44 pm

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 7):
I was not aware that they were not offering the A340 anymore...

Yes, the family has been formally withdrawn from sale.


Quoting andrej (Reply 9):
Correct me if I am wrong but A340-200 and A340-300 are not available for sale anymore, just the NG (A345 and A346).

No model of the A340 is available as a new-build.


As to the wording on Airbus' page, I don't see it as an indication that the family is still in production, but that they continue to provide updates to the existing fleet. But then, I know the family is no longer in production, so perhaps I have set my expectations ahead of time...

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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:54 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):
Sorta comes off as disingenuously deceptive

Disingenuously deceptive is phrasing that denotes that it may bother you just a bit   If you wanted to get all politically correct about it you could say that it is out-of-date or "purposefully not updated"  
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:04 pm

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 7):
I was not aware that they were not offering the A340 anymore...there is just no one buying them at this point.
Quoting andrej (Reply 9):
just the NG (A345 and A346).

Nope. Airbus no longer produces the A340 in any form.

Also, one of the changes with the newer A330s, is that the shared provisions in the wing are being taken out, to tailor solely to the twinjet layout.
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:13 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):
Read their description on even the A345:Airbus keeps the A340-500 and the other members of its A340 Family updated to meet market requirements and the evolution of technology. Sorta comes off as disingenuously deceptive, to say about a defunct model.
Why do they do this, when they have the A350 out and selling like hotcakes?

This is corporate speak. I see nothing in this being about the A340 being for or not for sale. Instead, I see this phrase as simply stating that they will make updates to the current global fleet, be it for regulatory, customer or technology needs.

Its all in reading the words carefully when it comes to corporatespeak!
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:29 pm

Quoting Airspeed772 (Reply 14):
Be very careful in this form what you say about Airbus as there are HAWKS with their Radar turn on to pick up any echoes that could be interpreted as negative towards Airbus.

Which is dumb. Airbus and Boeing both make great and competitive products, else we wouldn't see them locked in such a nearly perfect duopoly.

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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:30 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):
The A340 hasn't been available for new sale for years now, has it not?
Why is it then that Airbus' site seem to go through lengths to not indicate this?

Read their description on even the A345:Airbus keeps the A340-500 and the other members of its A340 Family updated to meet market requirements and the evolution of technology

Perhaps you should concentrate more on your own beloved company . . . :

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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:31 pm

Say what you want but Airbus at least knows when to shelve them and replace them . A300/310/318/340/358
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:33 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):

It's just an old web page that hasn't been updated. For a long time after it was no longer true, Boeing proudly claimed that they'd built more 737s alone than all the planes sold by Airbus.

Updating a web site is not a high priority.

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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:34 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
No model of the A340 is available as a new-build.


As to the wording on Airbus' page, I don't see it as an indication that the family is still in production, but that they continue to provide updates to the existing fleet. But then, I know the family is no longer in production, so perhaps I have set my expectations ahead of time...

Correct. Although the A330 is produced on the same line that used to also produce the A340, the wing design has been modified and the outer hardpoint that was home to the Outer engine Pylon, has been removed from design, and tooling destroied. There is no way to bring the A340 back.
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:58 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 4):
A better question would be, why do you assume it "bothers" me?

Uh...you started a thread on it and keep harping about it 
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:59 pm

I think it was pose no real problem for Airbus to produce a A340-300/200 if somebody would order it and spend enough money.
I would have no idea why somebody should bother. Somebody flying the Southpole route and needing a new quad and the A380 and 747-8 are to big? But if you need a A340, there are enough on the market.

There is the fuselage basically the same, same wingbox still with space for the centre MLG, the wing of the A340 is in use on the 330MRTT , there is a difference in the rudder height between the A340-200 and A330-200, But I think the A340-200/300 and A330-300 share basically also the same rudder.
I imagine that a A340-500/600 would pose a bigger challenge, different fuselage, different wingbox, different wing and different empennage.

But I think the reason that Airbus has the A340 on its hompage is simple: Airbus wants to sell the used ones they still have on stock.
Perhaps they can tempt the occasional head of state who likes to fly a four holer, but a A380 or 747-8 is just too big.
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:07 pm

I don't see how...

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):
Airbus keeps the A340-500 and the other members of its A340 Family updated to meet market requirements and the evolution of technology.

equals "we are declaring we are still making them".

There is a fleet out there (accepting that the A345 fleet is small) which Airbus support as the type certificate holder. I'm sure they will be happy work on approvals for mods etc... for a price.

Also Airbus WILL sell you an A345 - just not a new one. See:

http://www.airbus.com/company/market/asset/aircraft-available/

I am sure these frames have more chance of finding new homes if the manufacturer has declared continuing support for them. For e.g. the one that Sands Corp bought last year.
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:21 pm

At what price fuel price could Thai make a go a the LAexpress flight. Just loved that route! I would think the 340's could be profitable if we go a bit lower on fuel costs.
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:41 pm

Stop to A340 bashing !
Let them fly for a couple of years now . This Ultimate longliner is still very fine looking .
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:02 am

Quoting PW100 (Reply 16):
Perhaps you should concentrate more on your own beloved company . . . :

Quote:
As a derivative, the 757-300 complements the 757-200; it is not a replacement. Both models are in production.
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/757family/pf/pf_300back.page


Quoting scbriml (Reply 18):
It's just an old web page that hasn't been updated. For a long time after it was no longer true, Boeing proudly claimed that they'd built more 737s alone than all the planes sold by Airbus.

Updating a web site is not a high priority.

  

Exactly - as someone who updates a club website periodically, it frustrates me that people seem to think that content just magically appears on a web page without someone telling the webmaster that something needs to be changed. I can imagine this issue is magnified somewhat in a larger company, such that "Boeing" or "Airbus" doesn't realize that there's confusing or outdated wording on one of their pages that hasn't been updated in a while. In other words, I would quit trying to read so much into a sentence on a web page.
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:15 am

I hope the cheap price of fuel brings life back to many sadly under utilized a340s, if at least for a few more years. Especially those A345s.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:23 am

Quoting Airspeed772 (Reply 14):
Be very careful in this form what you say about Airbus as there are HAWKS with their Radar turn on to pick up any echoes that could be interpreted as negative towards Airbus.

  

Especially if you have any Boeing type code in your username... wait a sec... I have '777' in my username. Both you and the op have '772' in your usernames... prepare to be contacted by the Airbus legal team       

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 15):
Quoting Airspeed772 (Reply 14):
Be very careful in this form what you say about Airbus as there are HAWKS with their Radar turn on to pick up any echoes that could be interpreted as negative towards Airbus.

Which is dumb. Airbus and Boeing both make great and competitive products, else we wouldn't see them locked in such a nearly perfect duopoly.

Being a fan-boy is one thing. Acting a like a wounded tiger because you perceive that someone said something "mean" about your favorite air toy, should be beneath a true enthusiast.

  

But it happens a lot on a.net  
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:40 am

Airbus are still 'supporting' the A340's to keep the ones that are currently stored or coming to the end of leases with its current operators more attractive to other airlines on the second hand market. There are some relatively young A345 & A346 that still have plenty of useful life left in them before being turned into coke cans.

The A340 is a highly capable aircraft and with the lower leasing rates, currently low fuel prices it might work out cheaper to run a used A340 than a newer similar sized aircraft.
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:41 am

The description isn't deceptive at all. It could be read several ways, but my take is that Airbus is assuring current A340 owners that technology improvements will continue to roll out by the company to keep the A340 competitive with other airplanes in its class. It could apply to avionics, fuel management techniques, pilot training, airframe upgrades (like sharklets), maintenance, etc.

I remember reading a while back that one of the reasons the Aerospatiale Concorde was retired was due to aerospace suppliers deciding to no longer make replacement parts for it. Since less than 20 Concordes were made I assume it became too unprofitable to make spare parts.
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:06 am

What financial gain would Airbus make declaring the A340 defunct? They have some operators that are still negotiating for their A340 return and Airbus would lose millions declaring the planes defunct.

Airbus also makes money every hour an A340 flies. Why would they want to create a meme to accelerate the retirement?

Quoting hilram (Reply 19):
There is no way to bring the A340 back.

Agreed. But most profit is ancillary services. Naturally I speak of profit per airframe and not the overall project.

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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:15 am

Quoting PW100 (Reply 16):
Perhaps you should concentrate more on your own beloved company

Way to miss reply #4 there.....  

Quoting scbriml (Reply 18):
It's just an old web page that hasn't been updated.

The fleet information is constantly being updated

Quoting airbazar (Reply 20):
Uh...you started a thread on it and keep harping about it

Or... it could be that you don't quite grasp the difference between asking a question and, as you so eloquently phrased it, "harping"

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 21):
I think it was pose no real problem for Airbus to produce a A340-300/200 if somebody would order it and spend enough money.

....other than the wing being modified against that, and the specified tooling being destroyed and written off.  

Quoting dennys (Reply 24):
Stop to A340 bashing !

Who's A340 bashing???
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:28 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):
The A340 hasn't been available for new sale for years now, has it not?

According to AIRBUS this is so, you can read all the news releases, but I guess that is not on your agenda.


Why is it then that Airbus' site seem to go through lengths to not indicate this?

? The 340 production stop was announced about 2011, by AIRBUS. Nuff said.

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):
Read their description on even the A345:
Airbus keeps the A340-500 and the other members of its A340 Family updated to meet market requirements and the evolution of technology.
Sorta comes off as disingenuously deceptive, to say about a defunct model.

The 340 is still in Airline service, so will need supporting in many ways, including keeping it up to standards for the industry.

Quoting LAX772LR (Thread starter):
Apparently, my question needs some clarification: I'm asking why they still seem to be presenting it as a current sales model, not as a plane that still flies competitively in the current market-- which it obviously does.

Only you seem to believe they are presenting it as a current model. Their 2011 news releases and details given to the market place seem to be pretty clear. No it is not manufactured any longer.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 4):
It'd be no different if Boeing was still presenting the 757 as such, or something along those lines.

As pointed out, Boeing still offers the 757 as current production. But as we all know, Boeing announced that the line closed many years ago. There is no need to change the Boeing web site, it is a given already from Boeing news releases.

There are many news releases by Airbus and Boeing to confirm what I am saying, just search.
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:39 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 4):
I'm simply wondering why they do this.

We aren't their target audience, except for generic PR (so the flying public doesn't think the planes aren't up to date and safe).

I don't think the guys who buy airplanes even bother looking at public webpages.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:43 am

I'll be quick and I'll be blunt.

The A340 is dead...very dead.
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:16 am

Quoting col (Reply 32):
Boeing still offers the 757 as current production.

...huh?

Quoting col (Reply 32):
There is no need to change the Boeing web site

Boeing changed their website almost immediately. As did Airbus for the A300/A310. Just wondering why it's been years, and they won't do it for the A340, especially when its direct replacement is now flying.
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:26 am

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 34):
The A340 is dead...very dead.

Tens of thousands of passengers fly on them all over the world every day. They'll be carrying passengers well into the 2020s too. So, not dead by a long shot.
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:26 am

I don't know that the quoted piece from the Airbus website is implying that the model is still available to be bought as new. Either way it's up for opinion.
IMHO, it's like Microsoft and their recently upgraded operating systems. You can't still buy them (at least through major channels), but Microsoft still provides security and other updates for them.

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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:35 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 35):
As did Airbus for the A300/A310.

No they didn't.

As is the case for the A340 at the moment, Airbus kept the A300/A310 under the airbus family heading until close to the website refresh.

The reason they do so is because there remains, and it shall be the case for some time, a market for used A340s.
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:46 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 35):
Quoting col (Reply 32):
Boeing still offers the 757 as current production.

...huh?

Following taken from Boeing web site on 757:
As a derivative, the 757-300 complements the 757-200; it is not a replacement. Both models are in production.

But in reality, I know that there is no more production of the 757, as like Airbus, Boeing announced it to the world that production was stopping.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 35):
Boeing changed their website almost immediately. As did Airbus for the A300/A310. Just wondering why it's been years, and they won't do it for the A340, especially when its direct replacement is now flying.

Wording can be read in different ways, but the hard facts are that both A & B, released the production information to the world. What is left on their web sites does not change anything. The customer base can't get 340/757 ever again and everyone knows it. I am sure this write up is not affecting 350 sales.
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:15 am

Quoting col (Reply 39):
Following taken from Boeing web site on 757:
As a derivative, the 757-300 complements the 757-200; it is not a replacement. Both models are in production.

to me a moment to locate the error and I've contacted the webmaster to correct it.. it's obliviously a tech writer error and not something that people should hang onto as accurate.. there are several other places talking about the 757 that clearly state the plane is out of production


On the other side, both OEMs continue to support planes after the final unit has rolled out, while much of the support is spares, there remains engineering support, design upgrades as warranted by either regulatory or customer input, and of course AOG support. So end of production does not mean end of support or involvement..
 
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Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:16 am

Oh good grief. What is the point of this thread? Airbus is clearly not out soliciting orders for the A340, just like Boeing is not out there trying to gather orders for the 757. You say it's not Airbus bashing but how else are we to take this thread?
 
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RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:38 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 41):
You say it's not Airbus bashing but how else are we to take this thread?

To be honest, at this point it's more of an amusing observation in rampant assumption.

All I'm really asking is why's the thing still showing up under their production model section, when it's no longer for sale...

...and as I result, I've now seen everything from:
  • I must hate A340s for some reason,
  • I must hate Airbus for some reason,
  • I must somehow not realize that an aircraft with several hundred examples in current service would continue to receive OEM support.


    ....it's kind of funny, really.
  • I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
     
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    RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

    Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:42 am

    Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 31):
    Or... it could be that you don't quite grasp the difference between asking a question and, as you so eloquently phrased it, "harping"

    Give it a rest already. You misinterpreted a quote from the Airbus website. Did you do that on purpose just so you could start this thread? Let me answer that question for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
     
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    RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

    Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:07 am

    Quoting hilram (Reply 19):
    Correct. Although the A330 is produced on the same line that used to also produce the A340, the wing design has been modified and the outer hardpoint that was home to the Outer engine Pylon, has been removed from design, and tooling destroied. There is no way to bring the A340 back.

    I thought a selling point of the A330 tanker was the outer hardpoint, as it could be used for (and I'm not 100% sure this is quite the technical term, but here goes) military type stuff?
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    RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

    Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:21 am

    Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
    Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 12):

    I stand corrected.   No A340 is being produced anymore.

    Most likely they have some white tails, unsold models on their inventory, hence why they are selling them. In addition it must continue to provide support to existing fleet. So that may be another reason why they still list as a product.

    But it would be nice to add a new 'discontinued' section.   Given the fact that A300/310 continue to serve in various places and forms and Airbus does not mentioned this family on their Family site.

    Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):

    As to the wording on Airbus' page, I don't see it as an indication that the family is still in production, but that they continue to provide updates to the existing fleet.

      

    Quoting Planeflyer (Reply 23):
    Stop to A340 bashing !

    In all fairness, I do not have impression of A340 bashing (at least from OPs point of view). Nobody is arguing versatility of A340 and that it continues to perform very well for respective users.

    Cheers,

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    RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

    Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:21 am

    Quoting coolian2 (Reply 44):
    I thought a selling point of the A330 tanker was the outer hardpoint, as it could be used for (and I'm not 100% sure this is quite the technical term, but here goes) military type stuff?

    Seems I was a bit wrong here. As mjoelnir pointed out, the wing for the A343 is still being used on the A330 MRTT. It is the wing designed for the A345/346 that cannot be brought back.
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    RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

    Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:37 am

    Clearly it's a 'slow news' day OMG
     
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    RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

    Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:50 am

    Potential airlines (who are really the only potential customers apart from VIP's) for Airbus/Boeing aircraft are hardly going to use the Airbus/Boeing public websites as their source of info for purchasing decisions. So in reality it matters not what Airbus/Boeing claim on their websites. On the same token, the "outrageous" marketing/PR (as claimed by Airbus and Boeing fanboys) done by Airbus/Boeing respectively are merely that, marketing. No airline bases their decisions on a full page advertisement (or similar marketing campaign) taken out by A or B sprucing the efficiency of their respective products.

    Anyway I suppose A.Net would be a much quieter place if we didn't discuss these matters.
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    RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

    Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:55 am

    Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 48):

    Anyway I suppose A.Net would be a much quieter place if we didn't discuss these matters.

    And more boring.  
    And of course, Airliners will not base their purchase decision on marketing speak, airline exec's might well be influenced by the image a Company displays publically. On a very subconcious Level. And this form of communication could also sway a few VIP customers one way or the other.
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    RE: Airbus Refusing To Cede The A340 As Defunct?

    Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:00 am

    Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 31):
    Or... it could be that you don't quite grasp the difference between asking a question and, as you so eloquently phrased it, "harping"

    Well, you did use a question mark, but if you use the words "Refusing", "To Cede" "As Defunct" in one line, one question mark is probably not enough to turn that line into a genuine question  

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