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Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:59 am

Emirates announced the suspension of its services to Baghdad after the shooting of a FlyDubai aircraft while approaching the airport. I was quite surprised that they were still serving the city with the current political situation in the city and its surroundings.

[Edited 2015-01-27 01:30:32]
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:17 am

Was the FlyDubai aircraft hit?.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:26 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 1):

Here's the report...

DUBAI—A plane carrying 154 passengers was shot at on Monday after landing at Baghdad International Airport from Dubai, prompting the aviation authority in the United Arab Emirates to issue a ban on flights to the Iraqi capital.

Low-cost carrier FlyDubai said on Tuesday that flight FZ215 to Baghdad was fired at by small arms as it landed just before 5 p.m. local time, damaging the fuselage.

Read more: http://www.wsj.com/articles/shots-fi...ight-landing-in-baghdad-1422341895

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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:27 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 1):

Yes, three shos while approaching. The aircraft is grounded at BGW.
Source: http://avherald.com/h?article=480de6fe&opt=0
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:40 am

Quoting RJ321 (Thread starter):
after the shooting of a FlyDubai aircraft while approaching the airport.

Wow.

Hoping everything is OK.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 2):
damaging the fuselage.

Sad.. Poor 737.
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:45 am

I thought the airport was within the "green zone" or is that no longer the case given the US troops have pulled out?

Small arms are definitely the least of your worries if the airport and the surrounds aren't secure given that there are without any doubt plenty of shoulder launched SAM's floating around.
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:50 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 5):
I thought the airport was within the "green zone" or is that no longer the case given the US troops have pulled out?

Baghdad airport and it's perimeter is an absolute fortress. Security here makes (U.S.) TSA look like pikers. That being said, BGW is also on the western edge of the city with no natural barrier from nearby potential ground-based threats and that's what small arms fire around here is.

Celebratory gunfire is a common occurrence after soccer matches or other big events around here so it's inevitable that aviation might be effected.

Islamic radicals (or "activists" as CNN calls them) are reported to control areas of Baghdad up to Abu Ghraib Road (it's on Google Earth) which is less than a mile from the airport boundary. If this FlyDubai incident turns out to be threat-related, and not celebratory in nature, the targeting of an Islamic Airline could open up a whole new can of worms in this region.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:51 pm

QR just announced they are suspending scheduled service to BGW from January 29-February 5.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:51 pm

Middle East Airlines, Air Arabia, Etihad and Turkish Airlines suspended all operations to Iraq.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:53 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 4):
Sad.. Poor 737.

Aren't 737 fuselages commonly used for target practice when travelling by rail through lesser populated parts of the US?
If anything, it might remind it of home...

 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:45 am

There was an interesting item on Thomas Jaegers site.

The key para said "The Flydubai plane accident occurred as a result of the pilot changing the planes route because strong winds forced him to do a half cycle outside the plane's usual route a spokesman for the Information Office of the Iraqi Prime Minister told iraqinews.com".

Strangely, I thought that the accident occurred due to someone on the ground firing at a commercial airliner.

Are they saying that the pilot was at fault, or the wind.

Incidentally Flydubai is still AOG.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:30 pm

Ofcourse Iraqi autnority will try to cover it up, happened with PIA incident too last year in which a passenger got killed and two crew were injured claiming a wedding party firing struck the the aircraft and it too was probably landing from another direction not taken normally, but later they confirmed it was shot deliberately.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:56 pm

If it is "celebratory" then Baghdad airport should close whenever anyone is having a wedding or a party nearby.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:48 am

This sort of scenario has often crossed my mind upon landing in the Middle East. I thought it was overkill to see soldiers with guns at the airport in Kuwait, but now I realize it's perfectly rational to think airports need military protection in some cities. It sounds like Baghdad has taken plenty of precautions to protect the airport, but God help those who are going into the streets where those guns are going off. If I were working that flight, I would have refused to leave the airport. I still shake my head when I see various carriers continuing service into countries like Iraq, Somalia and Yemen. Even some cities in Africa are questionable depending on which way the wind is blowing. When will the concern for crew safety become a priority for carriers, especially the ME3?
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:19 pm

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 13):
If I were working that flight, I would have refused to leave the airport.

And then what would you do? Take a taxi downtown to a hotel? Travelling via ground transportation is far worse than anything by air around here. My company won't even allow us to take armored ground transportation in the City...travel must be by air.

You need a pretty strong stomach to work in many cities in this region but the work is important in trying to slow the spread of radicalism and help the local populations better themselves. Westerners bring in educators, technology and investment dollars to help developing countries become self-sufficient or at least less-dependent on others. Look how Dubai and Abu Dhabi have flourished by embracing western values in recent years while still retaining many of their regional traditions.

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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:04 pm

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 13):
This sort of scenario has often crossed my mind upon landing in the Middle East. I thought it was overkill to see soldiers with guns at the airport in Kuwait, but now I realize it's perfectly rational to think airports need military protection in some cities. It sounds like Baghdad has taken plenty of precautions to protect the airport, but God help those who are going into the streets where those guns are going off. If I were working that flight, I would have refused to leave the airport. I still shake my head when I see various carriers continuing service into countries like Iraq, Somalia and Yemen. Even some cities in Africa are questionable depending on which way the wind is blowing. When will the concern for crew safety become a priority for carriers, especially the ME3?

Of course it is perfectly rational. And in cities like Sanaa and Mogadishu, the crews do not stay overnight the plane departs again immediately. I know TK goes to Mogadishu, and Emirates still goes to Sanaa I believe.

These destinations don't have a lot of service but some is required.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:20 pm

 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:15 pm

http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/ne...3-gulf-air-resumes-baghdad-flights

Gulf Air have now re started operations at BGW.

Apparently, TK and MEA have already done so.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:21 pm

According to Wikipedia, Austrian Airlines fly there. Do they still do it? That must be the longest flight of a foreign carrier from/to BGW.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:26 pm

I think the problem has been solved now. At the wedding hall below the approach to runway 15R they have put up a sign saying "no machine guns".
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:32 pm

EY, FZ and G9 also back, Only EK remains suspended.

[Edited 2015-02-10 07:33:53]
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:21 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 18):
Austrian Airlines fly there. Do they still do it?

Austrian does not fly here. They fly into Erbil along with LH.

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
Only EK remains suspended

Rumor around here is that EK returns on the Feb 15th...4 days/week.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:19 pm

 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:23 pm

I am curious. Why there is no Saudia or no flights to Saudi Arabia (esp. Jeddah with Hajj?) from BGW? I am sure it is to some local political issue, but I don't know the reason.

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 21):
Austrian does not fly here. They fly into Erbil along with LH.

OK. Wiki showed otherwise. Scary they fly to Erbil... that is so close to ISIS.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:05 pm

Both Iraqi and Al Nasser probably Zagros also operate hajj flights to JED, Iraqi did so even during sanctions era flouting the no fly ban. In the past IA served atleat Dhahran and Jeddah with scheduled flights and Saudia did Baghdad.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:58 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 23):
OK. Wiki showed otherwise. Scary they fly to Erbil... that is so close to ISIS.

austrianair.com still shows a daily flight to VIE. $1,548 1-way. 1,600 miles.

ISIS, SCHMISIS The terrorists want us all to leave yet they're more than happy to enjoy the lifestyle western culture has given them. Kudos to Austrian for sticking in there.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:30 pm

I meant that Wikipedia showed that Austrian flies to Baghdad (and Erbil of course).

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 25):
austrianair.com still shows a daily flight to VIE. $1,548 1-way. 1,600 miles.

ISIS, SCHMISIS The terrorists want us all to leave yet they're more than happy to enjoy the lifestyle western culture has given them. Kudos to Austrian for sticking in there.

I was talking about Erbil where Lufthansa and Austrian are flying to. Erbil is less than 100 km. by road to Mosul, and Mosul has been already conquered by ISIS from what I have seen; they have even filmed some of those horrible videos there.

So LH and OS are literally flying to an airport 1-hour away by car, in the same country, to an area controlled by ISIS. That is what is scary to me.

[Edited 2015-02-23 10:38:31]
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:38 pm

It is rather strange wonder why they are taking such a chance.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:41 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 26):
in the same country, to an area controlled by ISIS. That is what is scary to me.

So I guess you're not going to stop by and visit us here in Baghdad.  
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:54 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 28):
So I guess you're not going to stop by and visit us here in Baghdad

Indeed, I have said myself not to visit the region (which I made in the past many times). ISIS is a very disturbing thing for my taste. I also believe that the Arab Spring coupled with the low oil prices is somehow of a turning point for the area. Hopefully I will prove wrong.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:01 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 24):
Both Iraqi and Al Nasser probably Zagros also operate hajj flights to JED

They even used the IA IL76 for these.
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:54 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 23):

Erbil Airport looks quite civilised, from this video anyway!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TJCvdZUlKs&spfreload=10
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:38 pm

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 31):
Erbil Airport looks quite civilised, from this video anyway!

The airport facilities are top-notch and the terminal is stunning and quite efficient although not very busy. The Erbil/Kurdistan region could be a historical tourism gold mine if this part of the World could get their neighbors to play nice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erbil

Little known fact: US residents do NOT need a VISA to enter Erbil/Kurdistan as long as their stay doesn't exceed 10 days. Americans can get a regional VISA at the airport with no advance paperwork but it doesn't allow the traveler to enter other regions in Iraq. (not that most would want to anyway)
 
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RE: Emirates Suspends BGW

Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:36 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 24):
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 23):
I am curious. Why there is no Saudia or no flights to Saudi Arabia (esp. Jeddah with Hajj?) from BGW? I am sure it is to some local political issue, but I don't know the reason.

Najaf airport flight info shows IA operating charter flights from there to JED.

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