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Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:35 am

I noticed in todays earnings report that AA will be removing 9 A320 aircraft from its fleet this year bringing its total down to 55 after also removing several last year. I have not heard anything official but any idea if AA plans to just remove all the A320's eventually and focus on the A319/738/A321 instead to simplify?
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:41 am

tbh it is NOT really a simplification...
especially when you already have A319/21
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:41 am

No , AA will keep the newer A320's that came from USAirways and some from America West . They are only retiring the older America West A320's that mainly came from the resurrected Braniff .

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Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:42 am

Doesn't AA (through US, through HP) have some of the oldest A320s out there? Removing them from service is probably an age-related thing.
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:47 am

Quoting etops1 (Reply 2):
No , AA will keep the newer A320's that came form USAirways and some from America West . They are only retiring the older America West A320's that mainly came form the resurrected Braniff .

I remember reading here a few weeks ago that AA will be keeping about 50 a320s in the fleet. Only a handful of oldies are being retired.  
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:06 am

Quoting HOmSaR (Reply 3):

Doesn't AA (through US, through HP) have some of the oldest A320s out there? Removing them from service is probably an age-related thing.

Indeed they do. Along with Northwest, Braniff took some of the first A320s in U.S. service in 1989. That lasted about a year before America West purchased these aircraft from Braniff in 1990. The oldest still active A320 (according to Airfleets) at US Airways is now N624AW, originally delivered to Braniff in September, 1989. With several exceptions at Air India, this is the oldest currently in service A320. Delta's oldest is now N309US, delivered May, 1990.
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:19 am

US has A320s from the mid 2000s thst will be kept. Only very old ones are being sent back to the lessor and the plans were to do that before the AA merger.
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:29 am

A quick check of the retired A320 aircraft so far indicates they are all double digit construction numbers with about 78,000 hours on them and 38,000 cycles. It's the most economical decision. Hands down.
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:54 am

That makes much more sense. Thank you everybody for the insight!
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:04 am

still surprises me how old the A320 is..i know its been upgraded, but has essentially lasted through two generations of 737,
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:33 am

The last aircraft type not painted yet is the E190 I believe, I've been always eager to know when the first will get the AA colors. Any news by chance?
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:41 am

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 7):
38,000 cycles. It's the most economical decision. Hands down.









Wow, they made 38,000 cycles, Boeings make double that. Ridiculous. I don't get it. Hours make zero difference.
 
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Believe the Braniff2 birds were originally for PanAm who declined them late....but that was looong time ago...grin!
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:53 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 11):
Wow, they made 38,000 cycles, Boeings make double that.

Do they?
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:26 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 11):
Wow, they made 38,000 cycles, Boeings make double that. Ridiculous. I don't get it. Hours make zero difference.

Early A320s did have a lower cycle limit, newer ones have a much higher limit
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:39 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 11):

But Douglas further doubles on that 
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:53 pm

Assuming that the 55 that are being kept are the youngest ones, they are going to retire 6 aircraft from 1989 and 3 from 1992 to 1995. The 55th oldest A320 was built in 1996. There is also a frame from 1997 and then 22 from 1998-1999. The other 31 are all from 2000 to 2010.
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:59 pm

This thread title needs to be changed. It is extremely misleading.
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:32 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 5):
Indeed they do. Along with Northwest, Braniff took some of the first A320s in U.S. service in 1989. That lasted about a year before America West purchased these aircraft from Braniff in 1990. The oldest still active A320 (according to Airfleets) at US Airways is now N624AW, originally delivered to Braniff in September, 1989. With several exceptions at Air India, this is the oldest currently in service A320. Delta's oldest is now N309US, delivered May, 1990.

eg c/n 029 is still active (or at least is sometimes) - airfleets shows this as stored since 2009, but thats not correct, as there are photos from October 2014 and some videos on Youtube as well. - planespotters.net lists it as active

Well but apart from Air India (you'Re absolutely right, they have 5 that are close to 26 years! But they are due for immediate replacement (first of A320-214SL already flying at XFW )) there are Lufthansa and Air Canada as well!
Lufthansa does operate quite a lot of these old frames still eg c/n 069-072 (complete 33 below c/n 400 - all more than 22 years old) But especially the very old ones (069) approaching 26 this summer and will likely stay some more years (maybe reaching 30 ?) . There is some life enhancement program ongoing for these frames - hope D-AIPA reaches 30 

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older article - describing whats basically planned (english) page 20
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:06 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 5):
he oldest still active A320 (according to Airfleets) at US Airways is now N624AW, originally delivered to Braniff in September, 1989.

As of November she stood at 78,400 hours and 35,800 cycles. I think she's had her last HMV.

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 5):
Delta's oldest is now N309US, delivered May, 1990.

As of last May, she was at 72,200 hours and about 32,500 cycles.
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:27 pm

These oldest A320s must be A320-100 then? Any chance of them getting their cycle limit expanded and see new life as the first cargo conversions?? What's the limit now..? 40,000?
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:17 pm

There are a few airline; such as Air Canada and United looking for used narrow bodies to fill gaps.
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:32 pm

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 12):
Believe the Braniff2 birds were originally for PanAm who declined them late....but that was looong time ago...grin!

yes. Sure were  
Quoting Beatyair (Reply 21):
There are a few airline; such as Air Canada and United looking for used narrow bodies to fill gaps.

But both AC and UA are phasing out their older 320s and replacing with 737-NG (and -Max)
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:34 pm

Quoting superjeff (Reply 22):

UA has not retired a single A320 and has no plans to do so in the near future.
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:46 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 20):

These oldest A320s must be A320-100 then? Any chance of them getting their cycle limit expanded and see new life as the first cargo conversions?? What's the limit now..? 40,000?

These are all -200s. There are no -100s in commercial service anymore. In fact, only 1 hasn't been scrapped and written off, CN 001 with Airbus.

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...ist/Airbus/A320/A320-100/index.php
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:51 pm

This thread title is in serious need of a "?" at the end.
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:55 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 24):
These are all -200s. There are no -100s in commercial service anymore. In fact, only 1 hasn't been scrapped and written off, CN 001 with Airbus.

http://www.planespotters.net/Product...ist/Airbus/A320/A320-100/index.php

Wow, were they really that inefficient? I know they had shorter range and a bit higher fuel consumption.. but still.

Quoting Georgetown (Reply 25):

This thread title is in serious need of a "?" at the end.

I agree.
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:56 pm

US Airways/AMerican has a few A320s stored. There were about 100 built and Almost all of the A320s built in the 1980s are stored or scrapped. Air India and Lufthansa are flying some along with a couple at other airlines like Air Canada, but in general, those 25+ year old A320s are headed to the scrapyard. It makes sense for American to retire them. Those airplanes were originally designed for 48,000 cycles and with the increases in structural inspection and corrosion requirements implemented after the Aloha 737 accident, the structural inspection and repair costs are astronomical on those 25+ year old A320s. I doubt anyone is interested in acquiring them.

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Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:57 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 20):


These oldest A320s must be A320-100 then? Any chance of them getting their cycle limit expanded and see new life as the first cargo conversions?? What's the limit now..? 40,000?


They're -231s, having the -A1 variant of the V2500 engine. By far the fussiest and least capable of the 320s, especially in the PHX heat.
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:05 pm

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 11):
Wow, they made 38,000 cycles, Boeings make double that. Ridiculous. I don't get it. Hours make zero difference.

25 years is a fine career. No excuses needed.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 28):
They're -231s, having the -A1 variant of the V2500 engine. By far the fussiest and least capable of the 320s, especially in the PHX heat.

Exactly.
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:52 pm

Quoting Kashmon (Reply 1):

tbh it is NOT really a simplification...
especially when you already have A319/21

True, but nevertheless, there's an overload of aircraft in that size bracket.

They'll have over 300 737-800s and 100 737 MAX 8s arriving in 2020.

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 17):
This thread title needs to be changed. It is extremely misleading.

Per Wiki, it does state in the A320 bracket "Older Aircraft Retiring." Even if it is, there may be an A320 retirement process going.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Group
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If I'm Not Mistaken don't the Am-West A320's fly the IAE V2500? while the USAir A320's fly the CFM56-5 Engine??
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:26 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 31):
If I'm Not Mistaken don't the Am-West A320's fly the IAE V2500? while the USAir A320's fly the CFM56-5 Engine??

Correct, but since the US/HP merger, almost all new deliveries, which have been mostly 321's, have been with IAE engines. These aircraft are the ones that were not specific to East or West, and could be flown by either side, but not with mixed crews.
 
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:27 pm

Let's look at a full breakdown:

The A320s with a 1xx ship number are from USAir.
They are all A320-214 with CFM56-5B4 engines.

The A320s with a 6xx ship number are from America West.
Of those flying, only 624, 631, and 644 are A320-231 with IAE V2500-A1 engines.
The rest are A320-232 with IAE V2527-A5 engines.

Here's a list of the lowest numbered A320s of the 6xx series:
601 N601AW A320-232 2003
602 N602AW A320-232 1996
604 N604AW A320-232 2000
624 N624AW A320-231 1989
631 N631AW A320-231 1990
640 N640AW A320-232 1994

642 N642AW A320-232 1996
644 N644AW A320-231 1992
647 N647AW A320-232 1997
649 N649AW A320-232 1998
650 N650AW A320-232 1998

With 59 remaining in active service, 4 more need to go. The last three -231s are also the oldest. The next oldest is 640. So that means all the A320s built in 1996 and onward will be kept for now.
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:56 pm

Quoting hufftheweevil (Reply 33):
Let's look at a full breakdown:

The A320s with a 1xx ship number are from USAir.
They are all A320-214 with CFM56-5B4 engines.

The A320s with a 6xx ship number are from America West.
Of those flying, only 624, 631, and 644 are A320-231 with IAE V2500-A1 engines.
The rest are A320-232 with IAE V2527-A5 engines.

Here's a list of the lowest numbered A320s of the 6xx series:
601 N601AW A320-232 2003
602 N602AW A320-232 1996
604 N604AW A320-232 2000
624 N624AW A320-231 1989
631 N631AW A320-231 1990
640 N640AW A320-232 1994
642 N642AW A320-232 1996
644 N644AW A320-231 1992
647 N647AW A320-232 1997
649 N649AW A320-232 1998
650 N650AW A320-232 1998

With 59 remaining in active service, 4 more need to go. The last three -231s are also the oldest. The next oldest is 640. So that means all the A320s built in 1996 and onward will be kept for now.

640 also has the odd distinction of having no bulk bin door, similar to the entire pre-2005 merger US Airbus fleet.
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Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:03 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 30):
They'll have over 300 737-800s and 100 737 MAX 8s arriving in 2020.

Nope, not as many 300 738s, maybe yes at some point but not for long. You have to subtract 75 from the total number of 738s. Because 75 of them are among the first batch delivered in the late 90s and early 2000s, those are a decade older than the younger ones that started to arrive in the late 2000s. I think it is safe to say they will have at least 225 738s past 2020, plus of course the 100 737MAX 8s that you mention. I think that the 320s, which is what the main topic is all about, and the first batch of 75 738s are next to go after the last MD-80s are gone end of this decade.
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:45 am

This title is misleading... I feel like I'm browsing CNN on here sometimes.

I don't see anything out of the ordinary about AA wanting to retire older aircraft from its fleet, especially when they have so many new aircraft on order.
 
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:58 am

US has retired two A320s the hard way: the hard landing at PHL last year and the "Miracle on the Hudson" bird.

IIRC both of them were 1999/2000 vintage.
 
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Quoting American 767 (Reply 35):
Nope, not as many 300 738s, maybe yes at some point but not for long. You have to subtract 75 from the total number of 738s. Because 75 of them are among the first batch delivered in the late 90s and early 2000s, those are a decade older than the younger ones that started to arrive in the late 2000s. I think it is safe to say they will have at least 225 738s past 2020, plus of course the 100 737MAX 8s that you mention. I think that the 320s, which is what the main topic is all about, and the first batch of 75 738s are next to go after the last MD-80s are gone end of this decade.

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Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:30 pm

It amazes me that aircraft delivered in 1989 are now being retired. Meanwhile, somewhere in Africa a 727 delivered in the late 60s, early 70s continues to push on. In fact, there was a recent article discussing DC-9 operations in Africa and I believe one of the oldest was delivered from Douglas...not McDonnell Douglas.
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:37 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 28):
They're -231s, having the -A1 variant of the V2500 engine. By far the fussiest and least capable of the 320s, especially in the PHX heat.

Which is why Pratt has developed the GTF for 35k of thrust so that there is enough thrust for hot/high conditions.

Quoting CX747 (Reply 39):
It amazes me that aircraft delivered in 1989 are now being retired. Meanwhile, somewhere in Africa a 727 delivered in the late 60s, early 70s continues to push on.

The A320 retirement is being accelerated by the value of their parts. That 727 will have trouble finding parts soon due to the last big operator (FedEx) having stopped buying most parts.

While the early A320s will not have the life of the 727, the production life of the A320 will be *far* longer than the 727 thanks to the re-engine of the NEO.


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Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:53 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 28):
They're -231s, having the -A1 variant of the V2500 engine. By far the fussiest and least capable of the 320s, especially in the PHX heat.
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 31):
If I'm Not Mistaken don't the Am-West A320's fly the IAE V2500? while the USAir A320's fly the CFM56-5 Engine??
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 31):
Correct, but since the US/HP merger, almost all new deliveries, which have been mostly 321's, have been with IAE engines. These aircraft are the ones that were not specific to East or West, and could be flown by either side, but not with mixed crews.
Quoting hufftheweevil (Reply 33):
Let's look at a full breakdown:

The A320s with a 1xx ship number are from USAir.
They are all A320-214 with CFM56-5B4 engines.

The A320s with a 6xx ship number are from America West.
Of those flying, only 624, 631, and 644 are A320-231 with IAE V2500-A1 engines.
The rest are A320-232 with IAE V2527-A5 engines.

Here's a list of the lowest numbered A320s of the 6xx series:
601 N601AW A320-232 2003
602 N602AW A320-232 1996
604 N604AW A320-232 2000
624 N624AW A320-231 1989
631 N631AW A320-231 1990
640 N640AW A320-232 1994
642 N642AW A320-232 1996
644 N644AW A320-231 1992
647 N647AW A320-232 1997
649 N649AW A320-232 1998
650 N650AW A320-232 1998

With 59 remaining in active service, 4 more need to go. The last three -231s are also the oldest. The next oldest is 640. So that means all the A320s built in 1996 and onward will be kept for now.

I just want to clarify something for those who think IAE2500 means fussy and inefficient engine. The IAE V2527-A5 engine is more efficient than the CFM-56.. at least on the A321. It's only the earlier -A1 that was fussy and inefficient. I'd hate to see another big false "truth" starting that the IAE V2500 engines are bad.

And I'm not correcting those I quoted, just quoting the info for my own point.
 
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:01 pm

My apologies for going slightly off-topic, but can anyone in the know tell me how old US/HP's youngest A320 is? I was of the impression that all of their Airbus deliveries were A321s, and that no new A320s/A319s had entered the property since the late '90s. Cheers!

Edit: just did a quick search through a.net photos, and it appears N128UW (CFM-powered bird) was delivered in 2010. Are there any other 320s delivered thereafter?

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Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:06 pm

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 42):
Edit: just did a quick search through a.net photos, and it appears N128UW (CFM-powered bird) was delivered in 2010. Are there any other 320s delivered thereafter?

Nope, that was the last one.
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:23 pm

Ah, I see, said the blind man. Thanks for the info, huff! Cheers,
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:04 pm

Quoting phllax (Reply 32):

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 31):
If I'm Not Mistaken don't the Am-West A320's fly the IAE V2500? while the USAir A320's fly the CFM56-5 Engine??

Correct, but since the US/HP merger, almost all new deliveries, which have been mostly 321's, have been with IAE engines. These aircraft are the ones that were not specific to East or West, and could be flown by either side, but not with mixed crews.


The 320/321 deliveries that started in 2008 were assigned to east/west, even the IAEs. Off the top of my head:

East: 125-128, 150-157, 193-199, 536-540, 543, 554-569
West: 507-535, 541-542, 544-553, 570-?

Right around the end of 2013 is when they started to be flown as you described for swaps only; later on in April of last year I believe is when the fleets went fully mixed.
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Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:20 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 41):

Quoting wn676 (Reply 28):
They're -231s, having the -A1 variant of the V2500 engine. By far the fussiest and least capable of the 320s, especially in the PHX heat.
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 31):
If I'm Not Mistaken don't the Am-West A320's fly the IAE V2500? while the USAir A320's fly the CFM56-5 Engine??
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 31):
Correct, but since the US/HP merger, almost all new deliveries, which have been mostly 321's, have been with IAE engines. These aircraft are the ones that were not specific to East or West, and could be flown by either side, but not with mixed crews.
Quoting hufftheweevil (Reply 33):
Let's look at a full breakdown:

The A320s with a 1xx ship number are from USAir.
They are all A320-214 with CFM56-5B4 engines.

The A320s with a 6xx ship number are from America West.
Of those flying, only 624, 631, and 644 are A320-231 with IAE V2500-A1 engines.
The rest are A320-232 with IAE V2527-A5 engines.

Here's a list of the lowest numbered A320s of the 6xx series:
601 N601AW A320-232 2003
602 N602AW A320-232 1996
604 N604AW A320-232 2000
624 N624AW A320-231 1989
631 N631AW A320-231 1990
640 N640AW A320-232 1994
642 N642AW A320-232 1996
644 N644AW A320-231 1992
647 N647AW A320-232 1997
649 N649AW A320-232 1998
650 N650AW A320-232 1998

With 59 remaining in active service, 4 more need to go. The last three -231s are also the oldest. The next oldest is 640. So that means all the A320s built in 1996 and onward will be kept for now.

I just want to clarify something for those who think IAE2500 means fussy and inefficient engine. The IAE V2527-A5 engine is more efficient than the CFM-56.. at least on the A321. It's only the earlier -A1 that was fussy and inefficient. I'd hate to see another big false "truth" starting that the IAE V2500 engines are bad.

And I'm not correcting those I quoted, just quoting the info for my own point.

  

There's already enough misinformation out there regarding the capabilities of the A321 (e.g. transcon fuel stops), the last thing we need is another myth involving the engines.
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RE: AA Retiring Oldest A320s From Fleet

Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:13 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 40):

Of course it will be a longer production life, Boeing went with the 737 family over the 727 and produced the 757. Those decisions are business decisions, not an aircraft's longevity in operational status.
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RE: AA Retiring Oldest A320s From Fleet

Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:52 pm

I flew US from DTW-PHX back in May of 2013...and I believe that I was on one of those old A320's. The big noticeable difference was the PSU's - most Airbus PSU's from the mid-1990's to the 2000's were grey - these were a dark green. I remembered the same PSU design on an A320 I flew on America West from LAS-CMH way back in 1992 or 1993 - that makes me think that these are the old airframes that were intended for Pam Am/Braniff.

[Edited 2015-01-30 06:54:02]
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RE: AA Retiring Oldest A320s From Fleet

Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:01 pm

Quoting CX747 (Reply 47):
those decisions are business decisions, not an aircraft's longevity in operational status.

So are these retirements. It's about the economic life of the planes in question, not fears that the wings will fall off if they keep flying them. If we're going by the airworthiness standards of a village in Africa, the A320s have plenty of longevity left as well.

[Edited 2015-01-30 09:02:22]
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