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Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:13 am

I know I done treads on this in the past, but I was hoping to get some fresh answers to the question. Now I wonder, do anybody remember when 747SPs flew LAX-SYD? Do you remember what thrust level they used and how much runway they used? I seen NZ 742s on LAX-AKL and AOM DC10 30s LAX-ORY and both pushed to their limits, using all of runway 25R at full power. A 747SP, is a 747 classic near a DC10-30 size, so I am interested.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:19 am

I believe the QF 747SP non-stop SYD-LAX flights started around the mid 80s, but I could be wrong.

As for the thrust settings and length of runway used, I have no idea, but what a very interesting question...

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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:57 am

Pan Am initiated the N/S service between the two cities with the SP in the late 70s--at the time the longest nonstop route in the world.

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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:14 pm

I flew PA SYD-LAX in August 84. Quite memorable being able to do it non-stop.
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:17 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):

I believe Pan Am flew the 747SP to both AKL and SYD. Air New Zealand flew 742s to LAX but they usually had to stop in HNL on the way to AKL. Continental used DC10s that stopped in HNL or Fiji or sometimes both.

I think he SP was he only plane flying nonstop regularly until the 747-400. I'd be curious if anything else made it nonstop to SYD or AKL ever.
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:41 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
I think he SP was he only plane flying nonstop regularly until the 747-400. I'd be curious if anything else made it nonstop to SYD or AKL ever.

Panam was known as the ´one stop´ nonstop. Most of ther time they had to do a fuel stop because the JT9´s were a bit thirsty! they used different Airports so as not to become the laughing stop of the industry. Qantas RB211 powered SP´s were the only true non stopper, no matter what the wind sayed/did....
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:47 pm

Hi all,

Interestingly, Qantas bought the two -SPs for the Sydney-Wellington route as it needed something smaller than the 747-200 and Qantas wanted to remain being an all-747 airline.

At the time, all other options were considered, but the 747 remained the favored option, in the 'downsized' 747SP. It was only later that Qantas used the -SPs in other ways. Of course, the Qantas -SPs were also used by subsidiary Australia Asia Airways, to circumvent the Chinese 'restrictions' on airline flying to Taiwan...

Also interestingly, the studies into a smaller aircraft necessitated by the desire to operate the Wellington route eventually led to strong Qantas interest in the Lockheed TriStar 500. It is widely believed that Qantas was close to an order for six-eight when Lockheed decided to terminate the TriStar's production run.

I loved photographing Pan Am -SPs at Sydney, and then later the United ones in hybrid PA/UA colours before repainting. We also got Mandarin -SPs and CAAC/Air China ones, plus Aerolineas Argentinas and I'm sure others as well, but my tired old brain. (it's nearly 2am here...) can't think any more... Lol.

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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:02 pm

I thought QF flew SFO-SYD because it was slightly shorter. I know during the Aussie bicentennial we flew AA/QF EWR-DFW-SFO-SYD
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
I believe Pan Am flew the 747SP to both AKL and SYD. Air New Zealand flew 742s to LAX but they usually had to stop in HNL on the way to AKL. Continental used DC10s that stopped in HNL or Fiji or sometimes both.

The Pan AM 747SP did operate to both AKl and SYD non-stop. It quite often dropped into NAN on a regular basis for a gas-n-go on the SYD service when the head-winds were against. Similar to the DFW-BNE 747-400 service QF used to operate stopping in AKL for gas quite often.
The PA service used to be PA815 and PA816. It would operate AKL-LAX 3 days per week on Mon/Wed/Sat and SYD-LAX twice weekly on Fri/Sun. It also operated out of SYD via AKL on Mon/Sat.

CO initially operated flights to the Southpac ex HNL using both NAN and PPG as stopover points.
In 1979 CO operated HNL-PPG-AKL, HNL-PPG-SYD and HNL-NAN-SYD with DC10-10 aircraft. This continued to 1981 when PPG was dropped for HNL-AKL-SYD, HNL-NAN-SYD and HNL-SYD with DC10-30. In 1982 the added the HNL-MEL for awhile.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:44 pm

Qantas did operate the 74L SYD-SFO on certain days from May 87 until 1990 or so.
Qantas operated the 74L on SYD-LAX from 1984 until the 438s were established on the route.
I don't recall PA operating 74L on southbound LAX-SYD until late 1982 or so.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong there.
PA 74L started SFO-AKL-SYD-SFO Dec 76, soon after the type was introduced into the fleet.
SFO was changed to LAX a couple of years later.
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:32 pm

I believe the SP had an optional max take off weight of up to 700,000 pounds.
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:17 am

Quoting picarus (Reply 2):
Pan Am initiated the N/S service between the two cities with the SP in the late 70s--at the time the longest nonstop route in the world.

If memory correct, Pan Am's original 747SP service to SYD included a scheduled stop at AKL.

In their April 29, 1979 timetable they had no westbound 747SP nonstops LAX-SYD. The all stopped in AKL. They did have two SYD-LAX 747SP eastbound nonstops. The others stopped in AKL.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:37 am

Quoting picarus (Reply 2):
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I find it amazing how we now have the 777 with more total thrust with its 2 engines than we had a few decades ago on a quad.
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:23 am

Pan-Am and later United flew LAX SYD on 747SP-21's & SP-27's on PA 815 and UA 815 until the 747-400's were on line.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:56 am

Quoting picarus (Reply 2):
-185ft Length
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-196ft Span

One of the rare planes with a wingspan that is wider than the length of the plane...

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 6):
Of course, the Qantas -SPs were also used by subsidiary Australia Asia Airways, to circumvent the Chinese 'restrictions' on airline flying to Taiwan...

I remember visiting the cockpit of the Australia Asia 747SP during one of my QF Jet Base tours in the 1990s. I have a few pics of myself seated in the Captain's seat  
Quoting Qantas59 (Reply 9):
Qantas did operate the 74L SYD-SFO on certain days from May 87 until 1990 or so.
Qantas operated the 74L on SYD-LAX from 1984 until the 438s were established on the route.
I don't recall PA operating 74L on southbound LAX-SYD until late 1982 or so.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong there.
PA 74L started SFO-AKL-SYD-SFO Dec 76, soon after the type was introduced into the fleet.
SFO was changed to LAX a couple of years later.
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Would you happen to know where I could find a QF timetable covering roughly March-May 1984? I'm particularly interested in Qf flights between SYD-SFO during that time, in particular the type and routing.
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:34 am

I saw the QF SP in 1981 at LAX.

I seem to recall the SP was 2x weekly LAX-SYD nonstop at that time.
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:51 am

I remember flying LAX/SYD on the Pan Am SP and also the 741. IIRC, the configuration had an isle next to the windows on the starboard side. I was a kid, so can't be too sure as it was back in the late 70s but I do remember Dad saying it was a short jumbo, and as always I believed him   Anyone else remember a PA 747SP configured this way?

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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:53 am

Seeing as we are on the topic, does anyone have a timetable, ACARS, spotting log, intel into the following:

Dec 1982 SYD-HNL-SFO QF3
Jun 1987 SYD-HNL UA818
Jul 1987 SFO-SYD UA817
Jun 1989 SYD-HNL UA818 (routed via AKL but not scheduled I don't believe)
Jul 1989 LAX-AKL-SYD UA815
May 1996 MEL-AKL-LAX UA842

After specific types and times, not guesses.
I have some more info but will match up with what's given.

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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:36 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 14):
One of the rare planes with a wingspan that is wider than the length of the plane...

Not that rare at all, plenty of shorter aircraft fit that description !
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:14 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 12):
I find it amazing how we now have the 777 with more total thrust with its 2 engines than we had a few decades ago on a quad.

And the AKL-North America route now gets 38x services an week at peak with 777s non-stop across the pacific!
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:43 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 14):
Would you happen to know where I could find a QF timetable covering roughly March-May 1984? I'm particularly interested in Qf flights between SYD-SFO during that time, in particular the type and routing.

Can't do 1984, but I have a Dec 1985 OAG which shows the routing SYD-HNL-SFO daily QF3 with a 747-200.
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:08 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 20):

At one point, SFO was operated by the 74M. I think earlier in the 80s though.
 
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Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:13 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 6):
Aerolineas Argentinas and I'm sure others as well, but my tired old brain. (it's nearly 2am here...) can't think any more... Lol.

Very interesting to know. I thought they never used LV-OHV for their transpolar flights. It makes a lot of sense of course, but it plied the route MEX-LIM-EZE twice a week for years. The third flight was the Sunday one and it was a 742.

I flew on it many times, and it was a little rocket. I once saw it take off at MEX, at 17:30 hrs in mid-summer from an intersection. The only time I say an airliner do an intersection takeoff at MEX.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:15 am

My parents were both cabin crew for QF they talked at times about how crew hated the SP as it flew higher, and the cabin air was a lot drier- does this make any sense to anyone?
 
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Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:46 am

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 23):
and the cabin air was a lot drier- does this make any sense to anyone?

I remember only ONCE among many flights, on the LIM-EZE portion of MEX-LIM-EZE flight we did reach FL450 on LV-OHV. First time I´ve ever flown that high and probably the last.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:55 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 20):
Can't do 1984, but I have a Dec 1985 OAG which shows the routing SYD-HNL-SFO daily QF3 with a 747-200.

Thank you for that info.

I flew from SYD to SFO somehow on QF in March 1984 and returned in May 1984. I was just wondering what the route was, and, more importantly, what type I would have been on  

BTW - I was not even 1 year old at the time so don't blame me for not remembering LOL! All I have is a passport stamp with a date and location to go off  
Quoting Jackbr (Reply 21):
At one point, SFO was operated by the 74M. I think earlier in the 80s though.

So if I flew to SFO on QF in 1984 it could have been on a 747-200 Combi?

Sounds like it was not a 747 SP for sure though - most likely a normal 747-200...???

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 23):
My parents were both cabin crew for QF they talked at times about how crew hated the SP as it flew higher, and the cabin air was a lot drier- does this make any sense to anyone?

If the cabin pressurization wasn't the best the higher altitude (thus drier cabin air) might have been more noticable - in more of a negative way - if the SP was flying higher than other QF types.

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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:59 pm

I remember seeing UA 747SPs at LAX in the summer of 1991 and I believe they flew to SYD and/or AKL.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:11 pm

QF was using the 74SP's as late as December 1997, because I have a photo of one landing at LAX from then. Sorry, can't upload right now, as it is not scanned, and predates my digital photography.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:58 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 13):

Pan-Am and later United flew LAX SYD on 747SP-21's & SP-27's on PA 815 and UA 815 until the 747-400's were on line

Interesting that United kept the old Pan Am flight numbers. I believe UA kept a lot of the Pacific Pan Am flight numbers after purchasing their Pacific routes. Sort of like they wanted to continue the PA legacy or tradition. Wonder why current UA/CO management decided to change the Sydney flight numbers after the merger?
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:05 pm

In 1997 I flew LAX-AKL on a 742. Couldn't believe it when I walked on the aircraft - I thought I'd walked down the wrong jetway!

There was clearly some sort of weight/balance issue. Prior to departure the captain came on the PA and asked if we could please all remain in our seats for a full 10 minutes after departure. Then he came on again a few minutes later and asked if we could in fact all stay seated until the aircraft was established at cruise altitude. Wasn't anything to do with turbulence. Bizarre.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:01 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
I think he SP was he only plane flying nonstop regularly until the 747-400. I'd be curious if anything else made it nonstop to SYD or AKL ever.

Was the L15 able to do this route nonstop?

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Reply 27):
QF was using the 74SP's as late as December 1997, because I have a photo of one landing at LAX from then. Sorry, can't upload right now, as it is not scanned, and predates my digital photography.

Indeed they did. I believe QF flew the 74Ls on the daylight flight LAX-SYD that left LAX around 1300hrs 3x a week.
 
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Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:11 pm

Quoting IAHWorldflyer (Reply 27):

Yes, they were used on QF short lived LAX-PPT-SYD route, QF also used 743s on that route.
 
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Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:26 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 30):
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
I think he SP was he only plane flying nonstop regularly until the 747-400. I'd be curious if anything else made it nonstop to SYD or AKL ever.


Was the L15 able to do this route nonstop?

No, well beyond economic range. L15 range was similar to the DC-10-30.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:58 am

I believe Pan Am increased the GTOW of some 747SP to 700000 and juiced up the JT9Ds a bit so that by the 1983 timetable LAX-SYD (PA815) was nonstop at least 3 days a week. I had been told many years ago (memory maybe sketchy here) that certain SPs were used on that route. I believe they were Clipper Lindbergh, Clipper Fleetwing, Clipper Liberty Bell, China Clipper, and Clipper America (ex- BN jet). It seems like the newer half of the SP with the possible exception of Clipper Washington was used on that route. Even the UA 744 on LAX-MEL had fuel issues. I believe they are flying a 789 on that newly re-installed route.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Mon Feb 02, 2015 6:12 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 14):

The A319's wingspan is longer than it's length and presumably so is the A318.

Quoting beachbum1970 (Reply 28):

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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:50 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 6):

I loved photographing Pan Am -SPs at Sydney, and then later the United ones in hybrid PA/UA colours before repainting. We also got Mandarin -SPs and CAAC/Air China ones, plus Aerolineas Argentinas and I'm sure others as well, but my tired old brain. (it's nearly 2am here...) can't think any more... Lol.
Quoting AR385 (Reply 22):
Very interesting to know. I thought they never used LV-OHV for their transpolar flights. It makes a lot of sense of course, but it plied the route MEX-LIM-EZE twice a week for years. The third flight was the Sunday one and it was a 742.

AR never flew the SP to SYD unfortunately, we only ever got the 742's.

SYD got SP's from Pan Am, United, Qantas, Australia Asia, Korean, Air China, Mandarin, South African, Air Mauritius on scheduled flights. As well we got Alliance on occasion operating for SAA.

There may also have been a Middle Eastern registered SP on a VIP flight, but I can't remember one into SYD, though BNE had a Saudi SP during the G20.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:11 am

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
I think he SP was he only plane flying nonstop regularly until the 747-400. I'd be curious if anything else made it nonstop to SYD or AKL ever.

NZ 742s flew LAX-AKL regularly right up till they retired in 1999, I'm not sure when the first non stop was though for the type.

Also not sure on this but QF started AKL-LAX in 1988 with a 743, however the 744s were on this route pretty early on, the 743s returned at the end of there lives when QF were short of 744s.

Quoting gasman (Reply 29):
In 1997 I flew LAX-AKL on a 742. Couldn't believe it when I walked on the aircraft - I thought I'd walked down the wrong jetway!
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:18 am

Quoting beachbum1970 (Reply 28):
Wonder why current UA/CO management decided to change the Sydney flight numbers after the merger?

Just a matter of sequencing flight numbers with the acquisition of the UAL operation, there was no need to retain the old ones.
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:25 am

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 35):
AR never flew the SP to SYD unfortunately, we only ever got the 742's.

Oh. Thought so. Maybe they could have avoided the RGL stop on the way West with it? Wonder why they never used it.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Mon Feb 02, 2015 9:38 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 36):

I remember one of the last 743 LAX-AKL flights, it was in the summer of 2008, it was my first visit to Los Angeles since 2005, and I saw it arrive that morning. It did not use as much of 25R as the NZ 742s, and did not seem as loud, but I did just come off a deployment which I had F-18s in my ears for 7 month, so that could be the difference.
 
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Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:16 am

I remember flying PA 747sp non stop from LAX to SYD and then onto MEL in January 1986 I don't think it was long before they handed over the Pacific network to UA. I t was a big thunder storm in LAX that night felt like the jet was slipping sidewards along the Runway, I remember the food service was in the middle of turbulence, I had a sleep and woke up to a beautiful full moon over the Pacific it was a great flight and my one and only SP flight.



Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
Continental used DC10s that stopped in HNL or Fiji or sometimes both.

You are correct, NZ was SYD -AKL-HNL-LAX flew that back in 1982 on my first ever trip to America. Continental when they flew to Australia flew both the DC-10-30 and the 742, they ended de tagging MEL of the SYD leg, SYD mainly got the 742s into SYD while MEL was a mix of both 742 and DC-10-30
I did that flight back in 1992 and that was MEL-AKL-NAN-HNL-LAX.
 
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Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:45 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 25):

It is almost certain that you were QF3/4. Take a look at those flight numbers today, and reminisce for a golden era of TPAC air travel  
Quoting navcad92f14d (Reply 33):

A 400A model cannot reliably make LAX-MEL, hence why QF ordered (and became the only passenger operator of) the 400ER. The superior range of the 400ER effectively pushed UA off MEL nonstop, a route that you are correct to say that they didn't relaunch until they got the 789. Even the 788 would struggle on that route.
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:42 pm

I had the pleasure of flying both the SP and CO/DC-10 from LA to OZ, in FC.
The SP was from PA, with route salesto UA. In FC, on the upper deck, the bathroom walls still had the orange from the BN days.
The nice matronly UA FA offered me the Chinese WSJ...I went huh ? She meant the HKG edition of the paper.
My CO flight went LAX HNL NAN SYD MEL. The FAs in F were so rude, during the Lorenzo time and all the labor disputes.
 
UA444
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:28 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 37):
Just a matter of sequencing flight numbers with the acquisition of the UAL operation, there was no need to retain the old ones.

It was the CAL operation that was acquired by United, you've been told that several times. Repeating it doesn't make it true.

Quoting flyingsottsman (Reply 40):
I remember flying PA 747sp non stop from LAX to SYD and then onto MEL in January 1986 I don't think it was long before they handed over the Pacific network to UA. I t was a big thunder storm in LAX that night felt like the jet was slipping sidewards along the Runway, I remember the food service was in the middle of turbulence, I had a sleep and woke up to a beautiful full moon over the Pacific it was a great flight and my one and only SP flight.

It was in 1985 the transaction took place where UA acquired the PA Pacific division, though most of the routes didn't start getting flown/aircraft transferred until the middle of 1986 IIRC. Things like the L1011s didn't last long, only until 1988 or so. The 747 SPs lasted until 1995.
 
LH707330
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:44 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 14):
Quoting picarus (Reply 2):
-185ft Length
-63ft Height
-196ft Span

One of the rare planes with a wingspan that is wider than the length of the plane...

I the fin was taller on the 747SP because it was shorter, IIRC it was a 10-foot fin extension. Boeing lists the total height as 65 feet and change, so some of it may be negated by the fact that the rear fuselage is attached lower down on the SP, which is what gave it that weird slope just ahead of the fin.

Quoting UA444 (Reply 34):
The A319's wingspan is longer than it's length and presumably so is the A318.

Quite a few more of those as well: 736, 73G, 77L, A332, A342, A388, 788, CS100.
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:29 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 43):
It was the CAL operation that was acquired by United, you've been told that several times. Repeating it doesn't make it true.

The same applies to you you know !



The good fortune that UA received by being rescued by CAL is not reflected in the attitude of their employees and hangers on such as yourself, it would have been better to let them fail and pick up the pieces.
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.


Guns are a malignant cancer that are destroying our society
 
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:09 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 45):

It's probably not reflected in their attitude because they are smart enough to know you didn't save anybody, except maybe yourselves. Your pilot union (if you actually are a member...)tried to use that argument with the arbitration hearings for the seniority list and got laughed out of the room by the UA MEC and the arbitrators. Not to mention Smisek is on record numerous times saying CO would be severely disadvantaged without United.

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 44):

I knew I was forgetting a few. With the exception of the 73G and 319, seems most of these models haven't been successful in sales. It is amazing to me that so many SPs, relatively, are still in service in VIP. A great plane, I'm glad to see them soldier on.
 
navcad92f14d
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:10 pm

I guess somebody deleted my post since it was anti-UNITED. It only proves my point more.
 
LH707330
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:56 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 46):
I knew I was forgetting a few. With the exception of the 73G and 319, seems most of these models haven't been successful in sales. It is amazing to me that so many SPs, relatively, are still in service in VIP. A great plane, I'm glad to see them soldier on.

The A332 and 788 sales are nothing to sneeze at, but they are getting eclipsed by their respective big sisters.

As to the SP ending up in VIP service, I think that's due to their field performance, range, speed, and abundance of spares from the rest of the fleet.
 
Curiousflyer
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RE: Do Anybody Remember 747SP On LAX-SYD?

Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:05 pm

How was the service in the three classes on those long flights?

No flat seats at the time, nor personal entertainment, people had to keep busy!

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