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Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:45 pm

I have been looking for any operating Lockheed L-1011's, are there any right now still flying elsewhere?
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Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:07 pm

The only one still flying to my knowledge is the orbital sciences L15.
 
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Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:28 pm

Yep. The only L1011 remaining in service is Orbital's Stargazer.

As far as airworthy TriStars, the ex-RAF aircraft are probably the only other examples. These were retired and put into storage in early-to-mid 2014. The Sands corporation also had a pair of aircraft that were operated for VIP service, although these seem to be grounded for good. Sadly, storage for TriStars these days equates to a date with the scrapper.   
 
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Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:47 pm

I consider the L-1011 as one of the most unappreciated planes ever  
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Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:50 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 3):
I consider the L-1011 as one of the most unappreciated planes ever

And the sexiest plane of all time...those who disagree should be perma-banned  
 
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Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:53 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 1):
The only one still flying to my knowledge is the orbital sciences L15.

Actually, it's a L10 or more precisely a L-1011-100.
 
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Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:25 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 4):
And the sexiest plane of all time...those who disagree should be perma-banned

It's ONE of the most sexiest planes...does that count?   
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Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:26 pm

Technically N140SC was converted to a -200 with -524 engines in 2008. It is the only L-1011 technically active though I believe it doesn't fly often at that.

There are several aircraft stored in various stages that 'could' be made airworthy again, but the longer they stay grounded, the greater they will never take to the air again. There are 6 ex-RAF -500s for sale and the TriStar History and Preservation group is attempting to resurrect L-1011-500 N91011 (ex CS-TMR) in VCV. I'm not sure if any of these will take to the sky again.

Orbital is a participant in the new Stratolauncher project so not sure how much longer N140SC will remain in operation.
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Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:28 pm

Why did the L-1011 not do as well in the freighter market like the DC-10?
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Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:32 pm

Loved the very distimctive lawnmower noise of the Roller engines
 
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Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:36 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 8):
Why did the L-1011 not do as well in the freighter market like the DC-10?

I understand the conversion was more expensive and the L-1011 airframe itself was not as competitive as the DC-10 in payload/range.
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Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:18 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 6):
It's ONE of the most sexiest planes...does that count?

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Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:29 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 11):
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Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:38 pm

So sorry I never got to fly one one!
 
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Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:50 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 3):
I consider the L-1011 as one of the most unappreciated planes ever  

Agreed...

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 6):
And the sexiest plane of all time...

...and agreed!

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 7):
the TriStar History and Preservation group is attempting to resurrect L-1011-500 N91011 (ex CS-TMR) in VCV.

Does anyone know that status of this? According to an update on 12/29/2014, the folks at TriStar History and Preservation have N91011 ready to fly from VCV to Kansas City for the final stages of restoration. Based on their plans to use these aircraft for STEM education, I assume they will go for a full airworthiness certificate. Does anyone know if they are going to do this in the near future, or will just be getting a ferry permit to move it for the time being? Any idea on when this might happen? I have been meaning to get up close and personal with a TriStar again for some time. Once this guy becomes accessible, a pilgrimage to Kansas City will be in order.

If anyone is interested, they can check out a video of the RB211's running in the L1011 on their facebook page (posted back in September). For what it's worth, I think this project is a great idea. Frequently flying as a kid and taking in the 'magic' of aviation helped in part to build my interest in the physical sciences.
 
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Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:56 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 8):
Why did the L-1011 not do as well in the freighter market like the DC-10?

Mainly because spare part supply for the DC10 was and is warranted, as long as the KC10 flies.
 
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Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:13 pm

Why the DC-10 was more popular? It debuted first, and the L-1011 had problems with the Rolls engines. Also Lockheed was late in bringing a long range model in, and once they did, it was smaller.
 
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Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:15 pm

Quoting delawareusa (Reply 16):
Why the DC-10 was more popular? It debuted first, and the L-1011 had problems with the Rolls engines. Also Lockheed was late in bringing a long range model in, and once they did, it was smaller.

The RR engine woes did the Tristar in, as did the S-duct to a degree. The DC-10 got higher-powered engines sooner for better range, while RR was limited by their BK proceedings. Lockheed actually looked into doing a Pratt or GE version, but those two-spool engines were too long to fit in the space for the #2 engine.
 
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Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:25 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 4):
And the sexiest plane of all time...those who disagree should be perma-banned

I love the TriStar...it's my favorite tri-jet out there. With that having been said, IMHO the Concorde, the 707, and the 747 (in that order) should also be on that list...    
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:38 am

First flight ever.....TWA L1011 JFK to SFO. We were delayed three hours on the ground for maintenance. TWA sent my bags to LAS. Dinner was served with metal utensils. I didn't know anything about chewing gum to make my ears pop so I got a wicked headache. And I fell in love with flying. The year....1981.
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:24 am

We got our Braniff tickets to London on the day in 1982 that Howard Putnam rolled them into bankruptcy. Pan Am let us on their IAH - Gatwick flight with those tickets: business class on their dash 500 TriStar no less. My one and only trans Atlantic flight on the L1011. American let us on their 747 flight back to DFW for the return: they jumped right on that Braniff route while we vacationed in the UK. Last TriStar flight was in July of 1999, Delta Honolulu - LAX. Great times...
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:27 am

I think in the end, Lockheed's decision to overly-design the L-1011 around the Rolls-Royce RB.211-22B engine doomed the whole project in the long run. Had Lockheed designed the L-1011 so it could accommodate the Pratt & Whitney JT9D or GE CF6-50 engines, it's likely the L-1011 would probably have continued in production till at least 1991.

(Indeed, right now the Boeing 777X or Airbus A350XWB could (in theory) accommodate other manufacturer's engines if the engine exclusivity deals were not in place. It would not be impossible for a 777X powered by a future variant of the Trent engine, and the A350WB powered by a GE9X engine, in my opinion.)
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:11 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 21):

Why 1991?
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:36 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 4):

And the sexiest plane of all time...those who disagree should be perma-banned

My last post then:

MD-11 is the better looking plane!

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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:52 am

Doesn't the Saudi royal family fly in one as a flying palace?

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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:37 am

Great memories of the L1011 - miss that plane. As a an airline employee it had its challenges near the end but as a passenger it was great. Lot of photos from the Delta retirement flight at www.L1011.homestead.com
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:09 am

http://www.controller.com/listingsde...1/1980-LOCKHEED-L-1011/1357163.htm

"Coming off services with a major European Air Force.
Ready to fly in, great condition."

Yours for only $700k.

With that sort of price and immediate availability, maybe DL is interested?   
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:17 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 4):
Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 3):
I consider the L-1011 as one of the most unappreciated planes ever

And the sexiest plane of all time...those who disagree should be perma-banned

I agree with the following post:

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 6):
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 4):
And the sexiest plane of all time...those who disagree should be perma-banned

It's ONE of the most sexiest planes...does that count?

Agreed that the L-1011 is ONE of the most sexiest planes ever.

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 11):
Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 6):
It's ONE of the most sexiest planes...does that count?

You're ok for now...but I'm watching you!

I hope I'm okay too. I have told you the truth absolutely 100%. I hope that by being honest with you you don't report me to the authorities.

Quoting global2 (Reply 13):
So sorry I never got to fly one one!

Me too! Big time...

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 23):
Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 4):

And the sexiest plane of all time...those who disagree should be perma-banned

My last post then:

MD-11 is the better looking plane!

Ciao.....forever!

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I never got to fly on a MD-11 as well as a L-1011.
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:21 am

That is one clean aircraft. Any idea who it previously owned it?
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:21 am

Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 23):
My last post then:

MD-11 is the better looking plane!

Ciao.....forever!

Nooooooooo! Don't say such things!

Though as a trijet of the same era, the MD-11 definitely has its charm.

Seriously though, its good to see so much love for the TriStar in this thread. I was fortunate enough to fly them a fair number of times back in the 80s and 90s, including a certain TWA flight that is still probably the most memorable of my life. The last time I few one as a passenger was with Delta in the late 90s, before they were retired from service. I occasionally see them around ORD into the mid-2000s, operated by ATA in the palm tree livery. I suppose the last time would have been sometime between 2006 and 2008, though at the time I didn't realize how endangered they were.

And then, one day, they were gone.

[Edited 2015-01-31 22:26:43]
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:24 am

Quoting Rugger (Reply 28):
That is one clean aircraft. Any idea who it previously owned it?

That would be one of the ex-RAF aircraft.
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:33 am

Quoting TriHoler (Reply 29):
Though as a trijet of the same era, the MD-11 definitely has its charm.

The MD11 really wasn't from the same era as the L1011, it came years later with the next major update of the '70's widebodies eg the 744.


Its a great shame it was botched so badly, it could have been a great aircraft.
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:14 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):
The MD11 really wasn't from the same era as the L1011, it came years later with the next major update of the '70's widebodies eg the 744.

Very true. In my head I always associate it (perhaps unfairly) with the DC-10 legacy and hence a natural rivalry with the L1011. It isn't fair to call them of the same era, and there are several marked differences from its predecessor. As you point out, the first MD-11 didn't leave the factory until several years after the last L1011 had been built.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):
Its a great shame it was botched so badly, it could have been a great aircraft.

I completely agree. While perhaps not the most successful in passenger service, it still seems to be enduring with a healthy career as a freighter. If MD had done things differently the distribution of aircraft the widebody freight market might look quite different today (let alone passenger aircraft). Perhaps Boeing could have made better development decisions if they had for some reason acquired MD earlier, though by the late 90s things were too late for the MD-11. At that point there wouldn't have been a compelling reason to evolve the MD-11 further, with the the ETOPS certified 767 and newly introduced 777 in their portfolio. I assume this (and poor prior sales) fed into their ultimate decision.

[Edited 2015-01-31 23:18:18]
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:56 am

Rugger

If you go to www.eucomairlines.de and look at the production list you will find the history of this aircraft.
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:16 am

Is there still a SANDS one serviceable.

Did they not have a couple, one trashed in BKK
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:13 am

Quoting babaero (Reply 34):
Is there still a SANDS one serviceable.

Did they not have a couple, one trashed in BKK

There is still a Sands L-1011 parked near the Southern end of DMK.

I had the pleasure of seeing it last year when I played a round of golf between the DMK runways at Kantarat  

Anyway, it was in good company as there were at least 2 Thai Sky L-1011s next to it.

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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:15 am

Great aircraft.
I had the pleasure of handling one every so often from on-block to off-block.
Everything is big and bulky on the 1011. Great a/c to work with. And those smoky engine start up's that is related to the 1011 is pure fun to go through.
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:38 pm

I know there's one, well battered; on display between Port of Spain and Chaguaramas.
Trinidad!
Somewhere along the main road.....I remember.
I think it's still in BWIA colors.

I don't think it's in the database......

Quoting TriHoler (Reply 29):
MD-11 is the better looking plane!

Nooooooooo! Don't say such things!

The winglets mate, the winglets!
MD-11 looks sexy with the 3rd engine and winglets.....like nothing else!


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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:41 pm

From the last (as far as I am aware) visit of an L1011 to MAN on 27/07/13.

She was a beautiful aircraft, and one that I was lucky enough to travel on in the early 80s on the RUH - LHR route.

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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:03 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 9):

Oh, the sound of those RB211s. I miss watching them taxi by, especially the non L-15s with the double rotating beacons on both the crown and belly. The strobes upgrade on the L15 I thought looked ill-fitting.
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:23 pm

Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 3):
I consider the L-1011 as one of the most unappreciated planes ever

Why? It is the most beloved plane hands down on this site and by pilots, flight attendants, and airlines that flew her.

Long lives with TWA DL and EA.

Diverse usage (just from US airlines) from short hops within US to transcons to trans atlantic service.

I would argue this plane goes into history books as 1. ahead of it's time 2. beloved 3. successful

Although, Lockheed would probably disagree  
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:54 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 4):

And the sexiest plane of all time...those who disagree should be perma-banned
Quoting TriHoler (Reply 14):
...and agreed!
Quoting notaxonrotax (Reply 23):
MD-11 is the better looking plane!

Gentlemen ...

THIS is the sexiest airplane ever built! (And ... to start another debate, in the most attractive livery ever sprayed onto an airframe).

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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:01 pm

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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:44 pm

I agree that the L-1011 was a great aircraft, both functionally and aesthetically, bit I quite fear for the people who think an airplane could ever be "sexy".

 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:47 pm

How about the statues on HZ-AB1 at VCV ? From the latest pics it looks clean and virtually ready to go !
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:06 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 40):
Why? It is the most beloved plane hands down on this site and by pilots, flight attendants, and airlines that flew her.

Indeed, it was.

I'm not really talking about passenger or employee experiences, which are very positive from what I hear, I'm talking about the sales of the plane. Today, we would see the total sales of 250 throughout the life of the aircraft a mild failure.

The L-1011 was everything but, IMO.

RB211 engines, modern and spacious cabin, efficient, aesthetically pleasing, modern, it's a plane that, I believe, should have taken out the DC-10.
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:54 pm

Try looking on Google Earth at 24deg 45'15.23N 46deg 44'15.23E Its in a museum now.
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:14 pm

I used to look after a fleet of DC10s and Tristars including RAF ZE704 ZE705.

To me the DC10s looked like Bullies with the Tristars ladies.
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:21 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 44):
How about the statues on HZ-AB1 at VCV ? From the latest pics it looks clean and virtually ready to go !

I've heard that plane has less than 10,000 hours on it and is practically brand new. It's been in VCV for 6 years now, but still looks pretty good.
 
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RE: Are There Any Operational Lockheed L-1011?

Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:24 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 4):
And the sexiest plane of all time...those who disagree should be perma-banned

Taking a chance of being banned, let me say I think the DC10-30 was much better looking.

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