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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:55 am

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 48):

Thank you for that information

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 48):
The trimmed position of the stabiliser, combined with the selection of maximum thrust, overwhelmed the available elevator authority.

This is what concerns me. The possibility of failure to recognise a developed stall resulting in maximum or high thrust setting chosen which may have led to uncommanded pitch rates with reduced elevator authority. There may be a tendency to increase thrust since that is what you are taught at basic level instead of a reduction to idle/low.
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:21 pm

 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:46 am

Hey, folks, I have been away from news, etc., out in the boondocks for close to a week, away from Internet. Now that I'm back & checked for any news on the plane, I find little new except debate about whether the pilot may or may not have been out of his seat, and the thread is down on the "older messages" page (until I made this comment, that is). Is there any more news at all on the recovery, data, etc., in the last several days, or has the investigation just gone totally silent? Could anybody be so kind as to recap any recent media info from about Saturday on that I may have missed in the media while gone? I have read the thread but it seems like things have become awfully quiet (though I know it takes time to analyze data, etc.) I'd appreciate a fresh fix on where things stand, if anyone has a moment. Thanks....
 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:11 pm

 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:18 pm

Quoting avlnative (Reply 53):
Two pilots bodies found, one retrieved

Both pilots still strapped in their seats apparently.

Note that the cockpit was found 20 m from the main wreckage, not the much higher distance originally reported (a few weeks ago). We no longer have to speculate how that cockpit was snapped off and catapulted a long distance.
 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:34 pm

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 24):
After putting out a story that the captain left his seat according to unnamed sources "close to the investigation", Reuters finally (after some pointers and persuasion) to ask the NTSC directly after a local media quoted the NTSC has denied such a story... And... (strangely extremely late in the day), Reuters finally put up the story that the NTSC finds no evidence so far that the captain left his seat... *phew... let's hope common sense remain in the media's heads)...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...sia-airplane-idUSL4N0VC30D20150202

Mandala499, I know you're probably sick of hearing this, but is it still thought that the captain did NOT leave his seat to pull circuit breaker(s)? DailyMail today is talking like investigators say he DID. I know the DM is an unreliable news source, but it's very widely read. If Reuters withdrew the claim several days ago, I'm surprised that DM is still saying that it's a fact the captain was out of his seat pulling circuit breakers. If it's false, they're doing a good job perpetuating false rumors:

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...plane-sea-floor-strapped-seat.html

"It comes after the pilot of the AirAsia plane was out of his seat at the moment the plane stalled and was unable to stop the crash, sources have said.

Investigators believe the computer malfunctioned during the flight, but instead of resetting it, the pilot climbed out of his seat and disconnected it from a circuit breaker located behind the co-pilot.

During the few moments Iriyanto was out of his seat the co-pilot lost control. The plane climbed sharply, before either stalling or losing thrust, then fell almost straight down into the ocean below.

By the time Iriyanto had managed to get back to his seat it was too late to save the aircraft."
 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Sat Feb 07, 2015 5:03 pm

Quoting CF-CPI (Reply 54):
Quoting avlnative (Reply 53):
Two pilots bodies found, one retrieved

Both pilots still strapped in their seats apparently.

Note that the cockpit was found 20 m from the main wreckage, not the much higher distance originally reported (a few weeks ago). We no longer have to speculate how that cockpit was snapped off and catapulted a long distance.

Now we have to speculate how dozens of search personnel, over the course of two weeks time working in and around the fuselage, could possibly miss the cockpit section only 20m away? That is closer than the water is deep.

If want to simply believe this as truth, without question, so be it. However the dimmest investigative bulb would be raising the    over this.
 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:47 pm

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 56):
we have to speculate

We don't have to, but I'm sure someone will ...

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 56):
the dimmest investigative bulb would be raising the over this.

Bingo   
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:54 pm

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 57):
Bingo   

Damn, beat me to it.  I had the answer typed out already.
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:10 pm

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 56):
Now we have to speculate how dozens of search personnel, over the course of two weeks time working in and around the fuselage, could possibly miss the cockpit section only 20m away? That is closer than the water is deep.

I speculate that visibility was very poor and that you could not see more than a couple meters even with very bright lights...

Opps... Not speculation at all - that is what was reported by multiple divers. Sorry  

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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:29 pm

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 56):
Now we have to speculate how dozens of search personnel, over the course of two weeks time working in and around the fuselage, could possibly miss the cockpit section only 20m away? That is closer than the water is deep.

It wouldn't surprise me that divers missed it. Visibility at 30m/100ft is limited even in the best of conditions, and at that depth you're not swimming around randomly looking for things. In many situations, something 20m away from your dive site might as well be on another planet. It's worrying, however, that surface personnel couldn't find it.
 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:38 pm

How did the sonar scans miss it, though?
 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:46 am

Restating my reply 55, I am still wondering : Was the pilot out of his seat pulling circuit breakers or not? I am getting conflicting news inputs, so I wondered what those here at a.net know? If I have missed this, I apologize. I've been extremely busy & away from the Internet for much of the last week and not able to follow closely.
 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:58 am

Quoting CO953 (Reply 62):

The investigators have said they were not out f their seats, and not pulling breakers. The news media got it wrong, and people took it as fact.
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:07 am

Quoting CO953 (Reply 62):
Restating my reply 55, I am still wondering : Was the pilot out of his seat pulling circuit breakers or not?

That's not part of the procedure. It's very unlikely that they would decide on their own to find and pull breakers.

Plus, if you get out of your seat around bad weather, there's a good chance you won't get back in it, or if you do, it will be with an injury.
 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:23 am

Are they going to make any more attempts to bring up the fuselage?
 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:27 am

Quoting rj777 (Reply 65):

Are they going to make any more attempts to bring up the fuselage?

I understand the CEO of Air Asia said they will foot the bill to recover all remains, which would imply the recovery of the fuselage. The military have pulled out.
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:50 am

Quoting rj777 (Reply 65):
Are they going to make any more attempts to bring up the fuselage?

I read earlier today, albeit from a 'Crazy Mary' type site, that SAR divers were preparing to try and raise the fuselage.
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:28 pm

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 56):

  Give it a rest Mr G. How many dives have you been on?
 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:39 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 66):
I understand the CEO of Air Asia said they will foot the bill to recover all remains, which would imply the recovery of the fuselage. The military have pulled out.

I would have been surprised if that wasn't said given that it is their aircraft in a sense  
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:25 am

What is happening - is the fuselage being raised? An article yesterday in the news said another passenger was recovered, thankfully. I know the topic seems to have a blanket kibosh on it, but the total blackout on a.net seems weird. I apologize if I missed it, but I have not been able to check here every day. Is salvage of the plane itself abandoned? Will there be any more attempts to raise the wreckage, or will it be left where it is? (Maybe the data recorders have made it moot?) Do investigators have everything they need to know and so they have given up? It seems the last I heard a few weeks ago they kept trying to raise the fuselage but failed. Now things have gone dark.
 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:57 am

Quoting CO953 (Reply 70):
the total blackout on a.net seems weird

The 'blackout' is because there is no new news. If there was news, all you would have to do is to read your unread posts - like all the rest of us do.
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:17 am

Sorry for being away for a while. Things continue to be crazy around here...

Quoting aklrno (Reply 39):
Sorry, I blame "quote selected text". I misse

No worries  
Quoting hivue (Reply 42):
Or are they facts that the NTSC, for whatever (possibly very good) reason, elected not to publicly release?

NTSC elected not to release information on the FAC as part of the 18 points because they need to understand it first.

Quoting CO953 (Reply 55):
I know you're probably sick of hearing this

Utterly sick of it, ended up bollocking the local Reuters guys and got them to correct the story in the end. The Daily Mail, well... need we say more? *Bloomberg was slow to correct the story*

Quoting zeke (Reply 63):
The investigators have said they were not out f their seats, and not pulling breakers. The news media got it wrong, and people took it as fact.

And it took a while to put out the correct story... that didn't help...  
Quoting CO953 (Reply 70):
What is happening - is the fuselage being raised?

It was raised over the weekend, and the fuselage has reached Jakarta this morning.
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:55 pm

 
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RE: Air Asia QZ8501 SUB To SIN Crash - Part 15

Tue Mar 03, 2015 9:57 pm

Quoting o0OOO0oChris (Reply 73):

Pictures of the raised fuselage

Wow! Seems like more of the wings than anything else. I know this isn't news but surprised to see the wings still as one piece and attached to the fuselage. Where is the rest of the fuselage? The underwater photos seemed to indicated that it was more intact or was it shredded during the recovery operation?

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