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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:56 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 144):

This is interesting considering the conversation on here recently about unhappy NZ FFs. After recently flying via Australia on a long haul trip for far cheaper then what NZ were asking, Its tempting!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 148):
Currently 6. In November, 2014 they ordered 4 more.

How many do Canada have?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:30 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 151):

Currently 4. A fifth was ordered in December. Those whitetails are moving fast!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:05 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 145):

Likewise. I will use the benefits on an upcoming trip to usa. It is a pity it didnt happen a couple years ago when I as flying LA QR CX. especially good for hkg pax. Fly nz on codeshare anyway...lol
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:10 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 145):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 144):
Qantas is having a status match to QF Gold for NZ residents who have Gold equivalent or higher status on any other airline bar EK. Well worth it, or thinking about it!

Thought about it for 0.002 seconds before sprinting downstairs for my NZ Gold card.

That long?   Same here- immedaitely did it - now let's wait and see if the approve... I thought about swapping to QF anyway and I have about 120K miles in my QF account. This could be deciding factor for me - and QF got what they wanted with their campaign. Good on them!

And thanks for letting us know, Nick!

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:18 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 154):
and QF got what they wanted with their campaign. Good on them!

What's more they followed it up with a sale $1000 to Asia and $1200 to LAX...
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:25 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 154):
now let's wait and see if the approve

I've just received an approval email, less than 24 hours after seeing Nick's post.  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:47 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 156):
I've just received an approval email, less than 24 hours after seeing Nick's post.

wow - that is great! I just got a mail confirming that they recieved my application, and that it will take up to 10 working days. But I only just 30 mins ago submitted it, so we'll see  
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 155):
What's more they followed it up with a sale $1000 to Asia and $1200 to LAX...

Sooo tempting!

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:26 am

Yep, got my confirmation this afternoon too. Now waiting for my account to flick over online and see if it's valid for 12 months or 20!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:43 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 158):
Yep, got my confirmation this afternoon too. Now waiting for my account to flick over online and see if it's valid for 12 months or 20!
Quoting zkeoj (Reply 157):
wow - that is great! I just got a mail confirming that they recieved my application
Quoting gasman (Reply 156):
I've just received an approval email, less than 24 hours after seeing Nick's post.

We are sad. Really, really, sad. Without this sanctuary where we can come and be ourselves, who knows where we'd be.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:34 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 159):

I hope that was tongue-in cheek   I think most of Anetters really appreciate that quality - you can openly chat about things, but equally get so much information!  

BTW, I just got my confirmation as well  
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 158):
Yep, got my confirmation this afternoon too. Now waiting for my account to flick over online and see if it's valid for 12 months or 20!

Min eis for 12 months  

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:04 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 154):
I thought about swapping to QF anyway and I have about 120K miles in my QF account. This could be deciding factor for me

So exactly what incremental benefits does the QF Gold give you?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:43 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 161):
So exactly what incremental benefits does the QF Gold give you?

https://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/flying/tier-benefits#travel-benefits

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:11 am

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 148):
Currently 6. In November, 2014 they ordered 4 more.

That all depends on which publication you read, it's either 2 or up to 4.

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...0/australia-seeks-two-extra-c-17s/

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-buy-up-to-four-more-c-17s-404418/

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 152):
Those whitetails are moving fast!

That's part of the reason why I doubt we will get any.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:16 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 160):
Min eis for 12 months

Is your online account updated with Gold already? Because they'd have to reset your calendar year if they wanted it to only be for a year. If they don't, it'll last longer than that.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:59 pm

Bear in mind that Qantas Gold doesn't provide complimentary long-haul upgrades like NZ does three days before departure, let alone at the time of booking like NZ Elite and Virgin Platinum.

Award rates are vastly superior to NZ but upgrades are basically awful on Qantas.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:17 pm

Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 165):
Award rates are vastly superior to NZ but upgrades are basically awful on Qantas.

what do you mean by award rates?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:12 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 166):
Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 165):
Award rates are vastly superior to NZ but upgrades are basically awful on Qantas.

what do you mean by award rates?

He means the rate at which points are accrued and free flights may be taken.

Another thing I've noticed is that it's way easier to maintain Gold. I have a return J class trip booked AKL-JFK and that'll be all I need to maintain it for a year. On NZ I'd have to do that, plus at least another J trip, plus spend about a zillion dollars on the credit card.

Yes, the complimentary upgrades that NZ provide don't seem to be there; but it's actually been years since I've been able to use mine.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:50 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 167):
Yes, the complimentary upgrades that NZ provide don't seem to be there;

Are these clearly definable or are they subject to a variety of conditions like blacked out days or flights?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:54 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 168):

No, seemingly the bid for upgrades take priority over the complimentary upgrades. At least that's what the case was right at the beginning. Now maybe it's a case of bidding a higher price that what's set for that complimentary upgrade and you take the seat over the complimentary upgrader.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:25 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 169):
No, seemingly the bid for upgrades take priority over the complimentary upgrades.

In theory, you can upgrade using *A (e.g. AC) points, but they're never, ever available. Another reason I'm now using AC to SYD and then whatever to AKL. I use vouchers or points to upgrade SYD.

NZ is just a desert as far as FF advantages are concerned.

[Edited 2015-02-23 12:26:24]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:36 pm

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 170):
NZ is just a desert as far as FF advantages are concerned.

Notwithstanding my current (pathetic) excitement over the free Qantas Gold offer, I'm pretty cynical about airline loyalty programmes in general. Taking NZ as an example:

To achieve Gold status you have to pay for an outlandishly overpriced return J trip to the USA or LHR. Then maybe another trans-Tasman J trip, or a couple of Y trips. That still won't be enough, so you'll have to spend major $ on the global plus card to make up the required status points. You'll have to maintain roughly that level of activity year after year, often compromising on price, product and convenience for the sake of keeping loyalty.

And what do you really receive for all that loyalty? Often nothing, becuase you're paying for the flights in the premium classes that give you the loyalty benefits anyway. It really only comes into play for the self-funded Y trips. You get lounge access (over it), priority baggage (that's worth something), priority boarding (good for the ego) and perhaps the occasional upgrade. Not a massive amount, really. Personally, I wish I could free myself of this whole loyalty mindset and just fly with whoever takes my fancy at the time.

QF have made a very astute move. Offering Gold status to a group of travellers who are already identified as high yield won't cost them much at all, but will probably result in a lot of bookings they might not have otherwise had. Even if those bookings are only a one-off, they won't lose.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:28 pm

Trying again - the edit function on this site is fornicated.

I actually quite like the AC FF program (Altitude), because it's a true loyalty program. There are 5 levels based on miles and/or flight segments only (affiliated credit card purchases accumulate points, but not status) with increasing benefits - 25K/25 segments, 35K/35segments, 50K/50 segments, 75K/75 segments, and 100K/95 segments. 25K and 35K are *Silver and 50K/75K/100K are *Gold.

The miles or segment qualification means that if I have a contract in YYZ (as I did last year) and fly YOW-YYZ-YOW biweekly, I'll hit 50 segment *Gold, even though the miles are only 26K. Based on miles, if I do NZL twice (normal), I'll hit 35K *Gold; add on a couple of YVR trips or a BRU/FRA trip (parents in law) and I'm 50K *Gold.

AC also gives e-upgrade points (only usable on AC) that are separate from FF points, based on status. The upgrade points required for a flight are based on segment length and are transferable to a spouse and one other designated person - I usually use them on flights to Europe.

And I've found that regular AC/* points are usually good for upgrades on *A carriers - except NZ. If I want to burn points on flight purchases (I currently have 500K +), I find that I can usually get flights on most *A carriers - with (again) the notable exception of NZ. The last one was JFK-FRA in J/F on AC/LH for 100K points - upper deck on the 744 with the seat + separate bed configuration, 4 pax and 3 FAs         
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:59 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 164):
Is your online account updated with Gold already? Because they'd have to reset your calendar year if they wanted it to only be for a year. If they don't, it'll last longer than that.

Nope, it still shows my Bronze status.   We'll see how they manage that. By the way, my membership anniversary is in April.

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[Edited 2015-02-23 21:00:32]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:06 am

OXG is in CHC. Scheduled first commercial flight is 27th Feb NZ382 CHC-WLG
OXH should be in CHC in the ealry hours on 3rd Mar from CNS. Approx 0015.
Will probably be following NZ804 across from BNE due in @ 2359.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:17 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 173):
Nope, it still shows my Bronze status.

Mine too. Getting on for 48 hours now.

Clearly the whole thing was a trojan-horse promulgated by NZ to flush out the disloyal perpetrators, who on their next flight will be forced to watch four hours of *hilarious* safety videos all the while sharing a skycouch with Gerry Brownlee!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:24 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 173):

Someone I know contacted QF and they said it may take up to 10 days to reflect in the system.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:59 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 168):
Are these clearly definable or are they subject to a variety of conditions like blacked out days or flights?

Elite (top tier) Air NZ frequent flyers and Gold frequent flyers each get 2 long-haul "Recognition Upgrades" per year.

Gold Recognition Upgrades clear 72 hours before departure if they clear at all, but it is unclear whether available inventory is auctioned off for cash via the Plusgrade "One Up" process before Golds get their bite of the cherry. There is no objective way to find out, if you think about it.

Elite Recognition Upgrades book into an opaque subclass which is not supposed to be known to the public and which is not visible any more via Expert Flyer or other means. There used to be 4 Business / Business Premier seats per long-haul flight but now there are only 2 on services to and through North America. There are no known blackouts.

Those seats are released at 355 days prior to departure and an Elite whose ticket is paid and issued can snaffle that inventory at any time from the time of purchase. Elites can also use Airpoints Dollars to upgrade into the same inventory at the same time window.

In practice, this is a huge advantage of Airpoints over Qantas Frequent Flyer and Virgin Velocity's Platinum status, but only for people who achieve Air NZ's top tier status.

As a result, I would argue that Airpoints Elite is the most desirable status offered by any of the three carriers. But Airpoints Gold is the worst Gold status of the three, as the ability to redeem earned upgrades is as rare as hen's teeth and redemption levels for award travel are horrendous. The only two worthwhile things about Airpoints Gold status are Star Alliance lounge access and premium check-in.

[Edited 2015-02-24 03:51:35]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:05 pm

Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 177):
As a result, I would argue that Airpoints Elite is the most desirable status offered by any of the three carriers

Not sure I agree. Have a look at QF platinum, and platinum plus.

They give you access to first class lounges with fine dining (Rockpool menu at SYD for example). Upgrades confirmed 7+ days in advance. Sure, those upgrades are not "complimentary" but given the better points earning rate on QF it probably comes to the same thing. And the points don't expire, whereas the complimentary upgrades on NZ do after a year.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:31 pm

 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:55 pm

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 179):
Interesting contradictory headlines...

Air NZ profit surge 20%
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11407446

Air NZ profit slips 6%
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...air-nz-first-half-profit-slips-6pc

They're not contradictory - they're talking about different things.

Looking through the presentation, though, a couple of interesting points jumped out at me:

* On p16, there is a suggestion that there will be a delivery of an additional 777-300 on operating lease some time during 2015. However, this is not reflected in an increase in the fleet size as reported on p17. This is the first I've heard/seen of this proposed lease - does anyone have any further info on that?
* No anticipated growth in the A320/321 fleet - once it reaches 28 frames, the fleet will stay at that level and the NEOs will be a one-for-one replacement of the earlier CEO fleet on into the future.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:34 pm

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 180):
They're not contradictory - they're talking about different things.

I was referring to the tone of the headlines. The NZ herald is very positive, while Stuff is negative... both articles are consistent though.
I do wonder why Stuff went with that headline? why did they focus on that single part?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:06 pm

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 180):

* On p16, there is a suggestion that there will be a delivery of an additional 777-300 on operating lease some time during 2015. However, this is not reflected in an increase in the fleet size as reported on p17. This is the first I've heard/seen of this proposed lease - does anyone have any further info on that?

Financial Year 15 not calendar year 2015. The table refers to OKS delivered early FY15 (Sep 2014).
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:53 pm

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 182):
Financial Year 15 not calendar year 2015. The table refers to OKS delivered early FY15 (Sep 2014).

OK - that makes sense. Thanks
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:04 am

Perhaps a stupid question. Has Air NZ served or considered serving South Africa from AKL? Is there enough business ties to consider using their 787-900 or 777-300ER to operate a route from AKL to JNB? I was wondering the samething about flights from AKL to India. Would Air NZ consider opening routes to India? Or are they looking at China for future growth?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:47 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 180):

The table confirms two 763's due to be retired in FY16 are now staying until FY18. Or two to be retired in FY16 will be retired in FY17 and the two to be retired in FY17 will be retired in FY18.

'Jet Fleet' -- Aug 2014 presentation: FY15 -- 5, FY16 -- 2, FY17 -- 0, FY18 -- 0
'Jet Fleet' -- Feb 2015 presentation: FY15 -- 5, FY16 -- 4, FY17 -- 2, FY18 -- 0

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:16 am

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 184):

Perhaps a stupid question. Has Air NZ served or considered serving South Africa from AKL? Is there enough business ties to consider using their 787-900 or 777-300ER to operate a route from AKL to JNB? I was wondering the samething about flights from AKL to India. Would Air NZ consider opening routes to India? Or are they looking at China for future growth?

India was definitely on the cards for quite some time but I believe their strategic alliance with SQ obviates the necessity of sub-continental service with their own metal. NZ/SQ codeshares now include twice daily flights between AKL and SIN with each NZ and SQ planes, plus a daily SIN-CHC flight with SQ metal. SQ and Silk Air combined fly to a heady amount of destinations in South Asia so NZ is now well covered.

With regard to JNB, I believe NZ have looked at it very seriously in the past and given the Australian aviation authority's (CASA) current review of their EDTO rules they may be doing so again. NZ's local partner VA flew MEL-JNB previously with their 77W's but it was both too much capacity and too much of a flight path diversion to operate economically. With a more relaxed twin engine EDTO ruling over the Southern Ocean, NZ may look at the AKL-MEL-JNB route in partnership with SA (*alliance) and VA who will be able to provide feed in Australia and South Africa. I believe this is what the 789 was made for.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:09 am

Luxon has confirmed that they are going to add another US mainland destination:
"Air New Zealand is also working on plans to fly to a third United States mainland destination, in the interior or close to the eastern seaboard. Luxon said he hoped to make an announcement soon on the new route.

Cities in the running include Chicago, Houston and Las Vegas.

"We're looking at cities - and there are quite a few of them - that can offer us opportunities in a very large market.""
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11407446
I still think you can forget Vegas. Chicago is probably too far and doesn't add much in terms of connections. Houston surely is the pick of the bunch!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:24 am

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 184):
Perhaps a stupid question. Has Air NZ served or considered serving South Africa from AKL? Is there enough business ties to consider using their 787-900 or 777-300ER to operate a route from AKL to JNB? I was wondering the samething about flights from AKL to India. Would Air NZ consider opening routes to India? Or are they looking at China for future growth?

NZ's focus is Pacific Rim so that has ruled out JNB. SQ/MI alliance covers India pretty well. AI is negotiating with NZ for a codeshare as well. Perhaps in the near future, Vistara will be available to be a partner. There is no need to fly their own metal to India anymore.

In terms of China, I can't imagine NZ going anywhere else in China after that huge loss from their PEK adventure, as they have neither the network scale nor the cost advantage to Chinese airlines. It would be interesting to see what comes out of their alliance with CA announced last year.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 187):
Chicago is probably too far and doesn't add much in terms of connections. Houston surely is the pick of the bunch!

New York to Chicago is roughly 2 hour flying time. Houston is more than 3 hours. Reading between the lines from that video interview, has he already given away the answer?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:57 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 188):
New York to Chicago is roughly 2 hour flying time. Houston is more than 3 hours. Reading between the lines from that video interview, has he already given away the answer?

what do you think the answer is? Don't forget AKL-ORD is almost 2-hours additional flying time when compared to AKL-IAH. This has quite an effect on payload.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:14 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 188):

The combined flying and transfer time of AKL-IAH-JFK/LGA/EWR is less than AKL-ORD-JFK/LGA/EWR. They both are UA strongholds but IAH is the most geographically advantageous to New Zealand and NZ. There are a lot of big cities east of Houston - Chicago, Detroit, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, Atlanta, Miami, Indianapolis, Memphis, St Louis, Cincinatti, Columbus, Charlotte, New Orleans, Toronto, Montreal - and from IAH there is almost no backtracking, this is not the case with ORD.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:06 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 173):

Another update - it's now showing as Gold in the system.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:33 am

ZK-OKB did a go around on Sunday.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 142):
I thought the C17 line was closed. Most likely source is from the USAF surplus frames.

Still some white tails to be built, AFAK.

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 143):
OXI arrives in April. OXJ and OXK then arrive in the last quarter of the year.
Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 143):
NGR goes end of March.

Thanks!

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 187):
Houston surely is the pick of the bunch!

I would have thought so. Quite apart from everything that motorhussy said in reply 90, the flight distance/time is a fair bit shorter. The GC path from AKL-ORD is 7111 nm, while AKL-IAH is 6444 nm.....by comparison, Qantas's SYD-DFW is ~7450. Headwinds will make the actual flights even longer due to ESAD.

So for Chicago, you are going quite a bit further and lots of connecting passengers will have to backtrack after arrival. Houston would seem like a much better option to me.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 188):
Reading between the lines from that video interview, has he already given away the answer?

I thought so too, as he did imply ORD in the video. I hope not.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 189):
Don't forget AKL-ORD is almost 2-hours additional flying time when compared to AKL-IAH. This has quite an effect on payload.

   Not to mention passenger comfort!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:23 pm

It seems that MU were very happy with their services from PVG-AKL over Xmas and will again fly here at the end of the year - in fact starting services in Oct!

For Winter 2015/16 season, the airline will begin operating from 04OCT15 with following schedule.

MU779 PVG0005 – 1715AKL 332 x135
MU780 AKL2100 – 0530+1PVG 332 x135

http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/25/mu-akl-w15/
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:13 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 192):
So for Chicago, you are going quite a bit further and lots of connecting passengers will have to backtrack after arrival. Houston would seem like a much better option to me.

I also believe it is probably a 240-min EDTO destination. If so this makes IAH a strong possibility.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:19 pm

Imbecilic reporting in the NZ Herald has reached new heights.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11407981

The airline says it will add 12 per cent capacity across its domestic and international operations during the next six months and will drop prices to help fill them.

So just for the hell of it NZ are going to voluntarily dump capacity onto their own route network, forcing themselves to drop prices and reduce profits. And what's more, they're being completely upfront about this devilishly cunning business plan.

Of course the article should have read "Fierce competition from airlines such as Emirates, Qantas and Virgin Australia is beginning to bleed customers from even NZ's monopolistic route structure, and the airline will be forced to start pricing competitively as a result. This coincides with, but is relatively unrelated to, extra aircraft coming on-line which will increase capacity on exisiting routes in line with predicted demand"

[Edited 2015-02-25 09:39:45]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:14 pm

Question: Is NZ to replace the SpaceSeat Y+ offering aboard the 77W with that of the seat on the 789 and 77E? And if so, what will they do with the hardware? Could they use these as a premium offering in the A321's on order, particularly if the LR version of the neo is included? Just speculating...
 
Kaiarahi
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:36 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 196):
And if so, what will they do with the hardware?

1. Install them in the lobby at HQ and force execs to sleep in them overnight.

2. Paint them pink and sell them to strip joints for lap dances ("slide forward for a more tangible experience").

3. Cut holes in the seats and sell them as his and hers outhouse seats ("slide forward to strain").

4. Paint them lime green and sell them in redneck country as seats for the back of a 1950 Chevy pickup.

[Edited 2015-02-25 13:39:23]
 
Gasman
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:57 pm

5. Display them at Te Papa as a fleeting bizarre quirk of Kiwi culture, like stubbies.

6. Export them to the planet where people are two feet wide but only 10mm thick.

7. Donate them to a rehab facility where patients must have an upright torso at all times, but require their buttocks to be slid back and forth an inch or two.

[Edited 2015-02-25 14:00:33]

[Edited 2015-02-25 14:01:59]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 153

Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:59 pm

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 197):
1. Install them in the lobby at HQ and force execs to sleep in them overnight.

2. Paint them pink and sell them to strip joints for lap dances ("slide forward for a more tangible experience").

3. Cut holes in the seats and sell them as his and hers outhouse seats ("slide forward to strain").

4. Paint them lime green and sell them in redneck country as seats for the back of a 1950 Chevy pickup.
Quoting gasman (Reply 198):
5. Display them at Te Papa as a fleeting bizarre quirk of Kiwi culture, like stubbies.

6. Export them to the planet where people are two feet wide but only 10mm thick.

LMAO, I've not sat in them and had no idea they were that bad.

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