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Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:58 am

Cathay Pacific is coming to Dusseldorf:

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Cathay Pacific starting 01SEP15 launches new service to Germany, with 4 weekly Hong Kong – Dusseldorf operation. This route will be operated by 4-class Boeing 777-300ER aircraft.

CX375 HKG0050 – 0715DUS 77W x357
CX376 DUS1320 – 0635+1HKG 77W x357

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http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/03/cx-dus-sep15/
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:00 am

I believe it when the 777 lands.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:06 am

I'm surprised they're starting that flight with a 4-class 77W. CX's 4-class 77W have an extremely premium-heavy layout (6F, 53J). I would have expected a 3-class 77W to start with.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:41 am

That is quite interesting. Didn't expect that to be honest.

But it is good for Düsseldorf, more and more long haul flights from there.

Congrats to CX.

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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:42 am

surprise of the year thus far no doubt !
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:48 am

Wow, I guess some people in MUC will be quite disappointed. Even though I guess chances at DUS have always been better since it is a oneworld hub. Seems like a very large aircraft (of course they don't really have anything else for international long-haul) and very premium-heavy though.

  
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:57 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 1):
I believe it when the 777 lands.

Flights are already in the GDS systems for booking, so get believing !
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:02 am

Also meant to say - this new route is launched despite EK operating an A380 to DUS by then, leading me to believe the ME3 don't have a stranglehold of every Europe - Far East route going as some on here would believe.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:08 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 6):
Flights are already in the GDS systems for booking, so get believing !

Can still be cancelled and pax booked on AB/EY. Would not be new for long haul at DUS.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:15 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 8):
Can still be cancelled and pax booked on AB/EY. Would not be new for long haul at DUS.

Yup and CX could go bankrupt too  

Well run airlines like CX don't just go announcing routes for the fun of it, they would've done plenty of planning/research before making any commitments.
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:16 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 9):
Well run airlines like CX don't just go announcing routes for the fun of it, they would've done plenty of planning/research before making any commitments.

Well, happened before. Like the LH flight to Tokyo which never happened as well and was announced before.

So, everything is possible.

Fingers crossed though for CX and the 777 in DUS.

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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:28 am

Well congratulations to DUS at being able to attract another airline.

It offers an extra option for those headed to the far east. It will be interesting to see how this affects ticket sales on other carriers, including AB/EY, EK, LH or even CX itself from other airports.

If passenger loadings (and revenue) can be maintained and increase, how soon before it goes daily?
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:11 pm

Would the beast be weight restricted - our RW is not the longest....
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:59 pm

The top target markets for CX out of DUS of which their 2014 demand levels are highlighted below:

HKG - 30K
BKK - 75K
CAN - 8K
PEK - 60K
PVG - 50K
NRT - 50K
HKT - 30K
MNL - 10K
ICN - 15K
TPE - 5K
SYD - 15K
MEL - 11K
BNE - 6K
PER - 5K
SIN - 14K
KUL - 13K
CGK - 12K
SGN - 10K
KIX - 12K

O&D for HKG is pretty decent and it should grow more through stimulation factor but for the volume business, it looks like CX will end up being reliant a lot on BKK/HKT just like how EY/AB is. Good thing for CX is the high demand to PEK/PVG/NRT. Cargo too on this flight should be full in both directions considering the economic importance of the Rhineland.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:30 pm

flying to DUS is not as crazy as it sounds. After all, Dusseldorf is right in the center of the Ruhr industrial region of Germany and as such, there are many large German companies based there.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:55 pm

This has been rumoured for quite while as one of those A350 destinations for CX along with a few others. Presumably now that the economy is picking up and the fuel price lower, CX sees sense in launching the flight first with the 77W with the aim of the A350 taking over once they have enough frames. DUS is no surprise. Other rumoured "A350" destinations include Barcelona, Seattle, Manchester, Auckland, Calgary, Istanbul and eventually much of our Europe network.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:18 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 13):
The top target markets for CX out of DUS of which their 2014 demand levels are highlighted below:

and These fiugures do not include the DUS origin passengers who take the ICE train to FRA or drive the 90 to 100 minutes.
Confratulations to DUS for this new carrier
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
These fiugures do not include the DUS origin passengers who take the ICE train to FRA or drive the 90 to 100 minutes.

!!! Frankfurt - Duesseldorf in 90 to 100 minutes?!?!  Wow! I don't want to be on that highway when you drive there from Duesseldorf to Frankfurt or back....   
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:34 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 17):

!!! Frankfurt - Duesseldorf in 90 to 100 minutes?!?! Wow! I don't want to be on that highway when you drive there from Duesseldorf to Frankfurt or back....

Don't people routinely drive 150-200kmph on the autobahn ?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:38 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 17):
!!! Frankfurt - Duesseldorf in 90 to 100 minutes?!?!   I don't want to be on that highway when you drive there from Duesseldorf to Frankfurt or back....   

He said with the ICE train. It goes up to 300km/h on the part between Cologne and Frankfurt.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 18):
Don't people routinely drive 150-200kmph on the autobahn ?

Most do around 140 km/h but some go faster, some go slower. And the stupid trucks are the worst. Doing 90 and pulling on the left lane, no matter if you do 120 or 260...   

From Düsseldorf to Frankfurt airport you are really quickly with the ICE train. And some trains are even with an LH Flight number (cooperation with LH).

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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:51 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 19):
He said with the ICE train. It goes up to 300km/h on the part between Cologne and Frankfurt.

He said "who take the ICE train to FRA or drive the 90 to 100 minutes." That's why I thought he was refering to the Autobahn. Hmmm, seems as right now he is driving to fast too respond....  

[Edited 2015-02-03 06:59:28]
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 20):
He said "who take the ICE train to FRA or drive the 90 to 100 minutes." That's why I thought he was refering to the Autobahn. Hmmm, seems as right now he is driving to fast to respond....

Oh right, I missunderstood that. True.

Well, it is possible to go fast on the Autobahn, but as you know, it can be dangerous and quite some traffic.

But going +250 km/h can be fun. I do it from time to time...

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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:05 pm

You Germans are so lucky to still be able to drive so freely on the autobahn's. No wonder most of the best sports car drivers like in F1 are German. As a matter of interest, what car do you have Wilco ?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:06 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 22):

Yes, I am quite happy about it.

I have a Mercedes C350.

But now back on topic.

Maybe we can do an airliners.net meet up in DUS for the first flight.

Maybe CX will send the "Spirit of Hong Kong" for that flight. That would be awesome.

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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:09 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 18):
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 19):

He said with the ICE train. It goes up to 300km/h on the part between Cologne and Frankfurt.
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 21):
Oh right, I missunderstood that. True.

My A3 Exit is Wiesbaden/Niedernhausen and I worked for a Company in hilden in the 80s and drove here regularly couleof times per month. A Meeting set for 10 am I usually left here 08h15 and made it in time.

It is faster than by ICE Train anyway as you go door to door by car and many People do that when they catch flights at FRA.
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:25 pm

I once rode the ICE on a stretch between Nuremburg and Munich that runs parallel to the Autobahn. I remember we were going fast enough that the cars on the Autobahn didn't seem like they were going fast at all.

[Edited 2015-02-03 07:31:28]
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:32 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 7):

Also meant to say - this new route is launched despite EK operating an A380 to DUS by then, leading me to believe the ME3 don't have a stranglehold of every Europe - Far East route going as some on here would believe.

ME3 and Emirates in particular excel on some subsaharan Africa, Australia and South Asia traffic. Anything north of Vietnam, namely China and Japan, are not very attractive on the ME3 and they have more problems than to the other destinations.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:36 pm

Quoting SJCMSP (Reply 25):
I once rode the ICE on a stretch between Nuremburg and Munich that runs parallel to the Autobahn. I remember we were going fast enough that the cars on the Autobahn didn't seem like they were going fast at all.

You get the same feeling on the last stretch of the Shanghai Maglev when it's close to the airport (PVG) and parallel to the highway.

The Maglev goes so fast (400+kmph) that the highway cars at 100kmph feel like they're at absolute stand still
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:00 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 21):
But going +250 km/h can be fun. I do it from time to time...

That would be quite an adventure, not to say rollercoaster ride to do that on the A3 between Cologne and Wiesbaden . . .
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:10 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 18):
Don't people routinely drive 150-200kmph on the autobahn ?

While o/t, i dare to say it is impossible to do DUS-FRA in 100min on the Autobahn. You can take the A59 from Düsseldorf to Leverkusen (no speed limit, usually fun to drive, but if you are faster than 200km/h the curves are getting quite risky there), then there are around 25km of congestion and speed limit around cologne. After that, the Bundesautobahn 3 has some stretches which are unlimited and some which have limits.

However, the BAB 3 was built before WW2, so it has some very steep stretches. It can be fun to drive if there is not traffic (there always IS, however), but it is impossible to drive 200 all the time, and there are indeed lots of limitations around.

So, no 100 minutes, not even at 4 am.

To get back on topic, I guess this routing might actually work out. As many said already, LH is using FRA as its main hub. So o/d LH long haul from DUS does not really make so much sense. However, for connecting pax flying via Hong Kong it might work out, also, since there are really many industrial companies in the Ruhr area which have partners in China.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:19 pm

This is a very interesting add. Many have guessed CX adding HKG-MUC but probably the AB connections helped swing the decision

Is this the first DUS to east Asia nonstop flight on oneworld ?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:21 pm

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 2):
I'm surprised they're starting that flight with a 4-class 77W. CX's 4-class 77W have an extremely premium-heavy layout (6F, 53J). I would have expected a 3-class 77W to start with.

Granted I haven't been to DUS in many years but I always remember the business class curtain being very far back on LH in and out of DUS. There could be the premium demand, but I agree it does seem odd.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:13 pm

   More fantastic news for DUS, how about that!

Do I smell a codeshare in the works with Airberlin?   
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:29 pm

I don't know how valuable AB feed at DUS will be, but CX has that going for them.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:40 pm

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 32):
Do I smell a codeshare in the works with Airberlin?

I don't see AB codesharing with CX. Old mum EY won't allow little AB to codeshare with someone else to Asia. It seems they are only allowed to codeshare with AA. There are a few inter-European codeshares, but that's it. AB must have very low value to OneWorld and I guess OneWorld will kick them out one day.


So regarding CX and DUS, why not? Economically very strong region. It is always said that a lot of Asians live in the Rhine-Ruhr-Area around DUS, mainly Japanese People, but also from other countries, so this flight has a good chance of staying year-round.


I think we might even see more airlines come to DUS, STR or MUC. If you are not a Star Alliance airline, why go to FRA? Okay, it is the Banking and financial center of Germany, but more companies are centered around the before mentioned STR, MUC and DUS. Also most international tourists go to BER, HAM and MUC.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:11 pm

Quoting CARST (Reply 34):
EY won't allow little AB to codeshare

Did you forget EU regulations?   
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:14 pm

Quoting CARST (Reply 34):
It is always said that a lot of Asians live in the Rhine-Ruhr-Area around DUS, mainly Japanese People, but also from other countries, so this flight has a good chance of staying year-round.

... which is already served by ANA's DUS-NRT nonstop and indirectly via CA's DUS-PEK. Those 2 flights cover many of the NE Asia's demands.

TG announced BKK-DUS then chickened out. It would've been nice to have DUS nonstop to SE Asia.

Quoting CARST (Reply 34):
If you are not a Star Alliance airline, why go to FRA?

Just look at how much FRA service AA+US has compared to MUC/DUS/TXL. JAL and KE sends their flagship birds to FRA. JJ kept their FRA flight even after exiting Star Alliance.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:41 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 23):
Maybe we can do an airliners.net meet up in DUS for the first flight.

Maybe CX will send the "Spirit of Hong Kong" for that flight. That would be awesome.

Great news for DUS!
And re user meet up - I would be down.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:48 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 7):

Also meant to say - this new route is launched despite EK operating an A380 to DUS by then, leading me to believe the ME3 don't have a stranglehold of every Europe - Far East route going as some on here would believe.

The ME3 are far stronger in Europe - SE Asia traffic than Far East (China/Korea/Japan) traffic. CX will be competing more with LH & CA.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 13):
The top target markets for CX out of DUS of which their 2014 demand levels are highlighted below:

CX is best not chasing the BKK traffic - the ME3 have a heavy presence there.

Quoting CARST (Reply 34):
If you are not a Star Alliance airline, why go to FRA?

The same reason you fly to DXB when you're not EK - connectivity.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:18 am

Is it just me or do I think it is extremely odd that they are launching HKG-DUS ahead of somewhere with potentially greater O/D demand and more connections HKG-MAD. I know Madrid are on the plans but Dusseldorf just seems so out of the blue. I even thought they would launch HKG-MUC before HKG-DUS.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:39 am

Quoting jacobchoi (Reply 39):
Is it just me or do I think it is extremely odd that they are launching HKG-DUS ahead of somewhere with potentially greater O/D demand and more connections HKG-MAD.

DUS is at the center of Europe's most densely-populated region and is one of Germany's most prosperous cities. It also has, if not mistaken, Germany's largest Asian community. Dozens of Asian companies have their European or German regional headquarters in DUS, for example Huawei, the Chinese telecommunications equipment manufacturer, now the world's largest I believe.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:12 am

Quoting jacobchoi (Reply 39):
Is it just me or do I think it is extremely odd that they are launching HKG-DUS ahead of somewhere with potentially greater O/D demand and more connections HKG-MAD. I know Madrid are on the plans but Dusseldorf just seems so out of the blue. I even thought they would launch HKG-MUC before HKG-DUS.

I think there is far more premium traffic potential to DUS, as evidenced by them putting a 4-class 77W on the service rather than the 3-class one. Spain would have far less premium traffic and more holiday makers. As for MUC, LH flies to HKG direct so there is already established competition on that route.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:40 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 24):
t is faster than by ICE Train anyway as you go door to door by car and many People do that when they catch flights at FRA.

True. I personally take the train as parking at airports usually is quite expensive and many vacation packages include the "train to the plane". That's what I did several times when I flew out of FRA.

Quoting PW100 (Reply 28):
That would be quite an adventure, not to say rollercoaster ride to do that on the A3 between Cologne and Wiesbaden . . .

It is. Been there, done that 

DUS has quite some influence in the area. Of course the 'Ruhrgebiet' but the Netherlands are quite close as well, so maybe even for the Dutch people an option to fly to SE Asia.

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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:15 am

I think that DUS is the mid-west of Germany. Alot of steel making and associated specialty industries (foundries, auto parts etc..) are based in that area, or within a 1 hour/90 minute drive.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:05 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 42):
DUS has quite some influence in the area. Of course the 'Ruhrgebiet' but the Netherlands are quite close as well, so maybe even for the Dutch people an option to fly to SE Asia.

Definately, by road DUS is very well situated for the east of the country. The only downside is that public transport into the airport is not very good if you live in the Netherlands, and it can last longer than a trainride to AMS (which is exceptionally well connected to the Dutch train network).
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:42 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 42):
DUS has quite some influence in the area. Of course the 'Ruhrgebiet' but the Netherlands are quite close as well, so maybe even for the Dutch people an option to fly to SE Asia.

Not to forget Cologne and Bonn, with several UN organisations, which arent that far away either, and maybe even Aachen and Maastricht, although this might be the edge.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:42 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 29):

So, no 100 minutes, not even at 4 am.

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Did it many times, Niedernhausen-Hilden in 90 to 100 minutes. the trick is to beat the CGN rush hour. May not be working These days, did work in the 80s.

Anyhow, DUS will have a strong 4th place in Germany wigth far better premium and intercont Connections than BER will have.

BER gets the bulk of the lcc business
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:02 pm

100 Minutes is hard today, even if you can pass through Cologne quickly as there are so many speed limits today. But yes it could be done in the 90ies if you car was fast. 90 Minutes was easy with an Audi 80 2.8 V6. (Apart from the empty tank, but fuel was cheap..)
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:11 pm

I reckon the comparative advantage of this flight (when thinking about EK or QR from DUS, or LH non-stop from FRA) is the accessibility to 2nd or 3rd tier Chinese cities and to some nearby countries like Viet Nam or Philippines which are also growing economically and are tourist destinations as well.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific To Launch Dusseldorf

Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:15 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 47):
100 Minutes is hard today, even if you can pass through Cologne quickly as there are so many speed limits today.

Especially Rheinland-Pfalz. I hate this state, they put rediculous 130 km/h limits (80mph) everywhere. But for long haul passengers from Düsseldorf, the Autobahn to Frankfurt is not really so important - those people either fly or take rail & fly if they want to go to Frankfurt.

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