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Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:48 am

Since the old thread has been archived, I am starting up part 109.

May I request we try to keep all India related topics on this thread rather than opening up separate threads. Activity will keep the thread on the front page.

Thanks in advance.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:15 am

Kind of related to Indian aviation: US Carriers In Talks About Open Skies With ME3 (by B8887 Feb 2 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Quite odd that US carriers are looking to block the MEB3, when they are not constrained from adding frequencies/ services to India if they wanted to. Or of offering limos/ better J amenities if they wanted to. Sounds very hypocritical to me, especially given that UA is now the only American carrier flying to India (once DL stops it's BOM flights).
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:22 am

Threads relevant to India from the last 2 weeks:

Ethiopian Airlines To Increase Services To India (by ojas Feb 2 2015 in Civil Aviation)

South African To Quit Bombay (by 777way Jan 31 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Future Of ATQ (by CHI787ORD Feb 2 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Big Changes Coming To Thai Airways (by olympic472 Jan 27 2015 in Civil Aviation) - Rumor of HYD being curtailed

Air India VT-ANI To Fly Again Soon, Was Stripped (by BiggerJetsPlz Jan 28 2015 in Civil Aviation)

VT-ALH Flying Again (by dtw2hyd Jan 9 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Air India Change Mahraja Mascot To Ordinary Man (by 777way Jan 18 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Air Vistara (India) First Flight - Images/ Reviews (by Nimish Jan 9 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Another Cockpit Fight In India (by LAXintl Jan 17 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Air India Selling Two 747-400 (by BiggerJetsPlz Jan 14 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Pakistan Says India Harassing Our National Airline (by Ammad Jan 18 2015 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:48 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 1):
Quite odd that US carriers are looking to block the MEB3, when they are not constrained from adding frequencies/ services to India if they wanted to. Or of offering limos/ better J amenities if they wanted to. Sounds very hypocritical to me, especially given that UA is now the only American carrier flying to India (once DL stops it's BOM flights).

US carriers will not be able to add frequencies as long as India is Cat-II. They also cannot place codes on Indian carriers.

Where will they bring better product from, very few planes are brand new. They have been keeping flyers content with pretzels and soda. If Indian carriers are offering hot meals on 60 min flights, that will spoil the passengers. So strategy to is to keep out pax away from them.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:12 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 2):
Threads relevant to India from the last 2 weeks:

Thanks.

Incidentally I did an analysis of Air India in light of the diktat to deduct employee salaries. I cannot post the link due to A.net rules but below is the text and the graphs I made.

Would love some answers on this. I am not able to place why AI is paying so much more compensation not just aggregate but also on a per passenger basis. It appears the private airlines are using the loopholes in the DGCA CAR to escape payment. In which case, why is AI not able to do the same?

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Air India paid 18 times compensation

Air India regularly pays out more compensation for domestic delayed flights than all other carriers combined. As per DGCA data, for domestic flights delayed beyond two hours, in the last three months of 2014, Air India paid over Rs two crore (206.24 lakhs) as compensation, a whopping 18.7 times the mere Rs. 11.03 lakhs all private carriers put together paid.

Strangely only three private airlines, Air Costa, SpiceJet and AirAsia India, reported paying compensation for delayed flights. Despite having reported passengers delayed by more than two hours, Jet, JetKonnect, IndiGo and Go have not reported any compensation payments.

Likewise Air India paid over Rs 1.61 (16.1 million) crore as compensation for cancelled domestic flights in October to December 2014 four times the Rs 43.52 lakhs paid by private airlines, Air Costa, AirAsia India, Jet, JetKonnect, and SpiceJet. IndiGo and GoAir did not report passengers affected by cancelled flights.

All the above data is for domestic flights. No data is available for international flights.

Are such high payments only due to the poor performance of Air India? It appears not as the graphics below seem to indicate.
Q4 2014 India domestic passengers delayed two or more hours.


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Air India paid 10 times more compensation

For delays of two or more hours, in the October to December quarter of 2014, Air India paid an average compensation of Rs 120.56 per passenger. almost ten times the Rs 12.24 per passenger compensation paid by all the private carriers put together.

The DGCA rules for compensation of delayed and cancelled flights are heavily skewed in favour of the airlines. In December 2014, the DGCA reports, India’s largest domestic carrier, IndiGo, has 58,449 passengers delayed two hours or more. No compensation was paid by the airline. Is it possible private airlines are using the legitimate loopholes to avoid paying compensation?
Compensation paid to Indian domestic passengers during Q4 2014. Air India paid over 10 times the compensation compared to all other domestic airlines combined.


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This begs the question why is the Maharaja being so generous with our money?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:44 pm

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 4):
Incidentally I did an analysis of Air India in light of the diktat to deduct employee salaries. I cannot post the link due to A.net rules but below is the text and the graphs I made.

May be you should do an analysis on the $600 Million/year interest AI paying. If GoI gives a $Billion and $600 Mill goes to interest, it will dig itself further.

How can AI cut the interest payments?
What aviation/real estate it should sell at FMV?
Should there be a onetime booster cash infusion, trickle is not helping.
Should some of AI's debt be restructured either under sovereign guarantee or thru negotiations.

Now financiers charging 10% APR with guaranteed repayment. Unique but sad.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:19 am

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 5):
May be you should do an analysis on the $600 Million/year interest AI paying. If GoI gives a $Billion and $600 Mill goes to interest, it will dig itself further.

Let's start with this one first before commencing another  
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:53 pm

http://www.financialexpress.com/arti...s-disbursing-january-salary/38856/

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Air India started disbursing January salary to its around 22,000 employees after receiving Rs 200 crore equity from the government.

“The salaries were held back as we were awaiting funds from the government. We received Rs 200 crore equity (from the government) only yesterday,” Air India sources said.

Now AI cannot even make salary without government dole?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:05 pm

Proposed new terminal building at VGA, there are rumors VGA will be upgraded to Code F airport.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:12 pm

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 8):

What's VGA?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:49 pm

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 9):
What's VGA?

Vijayawada Airport, (Residuary) Andhra Pradesh state
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijayawada_Airport
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:09 pm

Apparently AI got 14 bids for 14xA320CEO/NEO lease. Some bidders even offered 48xA320s.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...air-india/articleshow/46164038.cms

AI also got its first A320CEO with sharklets from China Aircraft Leasing Company. It will get 4 more.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:18 pm

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 11):

Apparently AI got 14 bids for 14xA320CEO/NEO lease. Some bidders even offered 48xA320s.

The sooner AI can get a new domestic fleet, the better. The old double bogied 320s are probably looking for some peace and quiet now!
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:20 pm

Can some India based a.netter please explain Table 4.1 on page 92 of this document - http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/hand...1.1/89852/890140089.pdf?sequence=1 ? How is EK able to capture 27% of East Asia traffic from India? To me East Asia in relation to India means Japan, Philippines, SIN, HKG, KUL and to a certain extent eastern parts of China. Now, why would anybody go west all the way from India to DXB and then backtrack again over India to East Asia? What i am reading beats all rational logic and want to make sure that the report is not wrong.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:04 am

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 13):
How is EK able to capture 27% of East Asia traffic from India? To me East Asia in relation to India means Japan, Philippines, SIN, HKG, KUL and to a certain extent eastern parts of China. Now, why would anybody go west all the way from India to DXB and then backtrack again over India to East Asia? What i am reading beats all rational logic and want to make sure that the report is not wrong.

Emirates has a significant share to China from India which is where you get to see the 27% of East Asia. The numbers to HKG, KUL, SIN, etc should be very few in number.

For whatever reasons there is a significant flow of traffic from BOM/AMD/HYD/BLR to China; and the route has virtually no discounted fares.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:30 am

One thing (out of a million things) I don't get is why did AI paint one of their oldest A320s VT-ESF in Star livery and not one of their newer jets. That a/c would soon get scrapped/replaced so what was the point of painting it.

Is this the part where I get to mock AI or is there some 'official' or 'technical' reason behind all this.   
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:57 pm

Quoting ojas (Reply 14):
Emirates has a significant share to China from India which is where you get to see the 27% of East Asia. The numbers to HKG, KUL, SIN, etc should be very few in number.

For whatever reasons there is a significant flow of traffic from BOM/AMD/HYD/BLR to China; and the route has virtually no discounted fares

But still; won't it make sense to get to China from the airports you mentioned via HKG/BKK or even on an airline hypothetically hubbing out of Calcutta? Seems mindboggling that when there is a demand, convenient fares and connections are not being given thereby offering that traffic on a platter to EK. Seems dumb to me to fly West and then back track East again....wasting who knows how many hours!!
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:59 pm

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 15):
is there some 'official' or 'technical' reason behind all this.

I guess *A don't want their livery on lemons.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:54 am

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 15):
Is this the part where I get to mock AI or is there some 'official' or 'technical' reason behind all this.
Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 17):
I guess *A don't want their livery on lemons.

ROFLMAO.      
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:55 am

I received an email from a person claiming to be an AI staffer saying that B788 VT-ANK has been grounded at BHX for a week now due to engine problems, caused due to failure of AI engineering teams.

Cause aside, itsn't AI on GE's OnePoint program? What are the terms under which the program operates? in terms of returning the aircraft to service.

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VT-ANK grounded at Birmingham since 6th February

Engine (GE) problem - related to Thrust Reverser C-duct damage. Thrust reverser being obtained from UTAS by tomorrow

Problem occurred because some inspection plug not fitted correctly by Air India mechanics
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:14 am

Thrust reversers are called "insurance" items and would not fall under an engine maintenance deal. Insurance items are things like nose cowls, leading edge flaps, thrust reversers etc that tend to break from things hitting them, rather from wear and tear.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:08 pm

Quoting lutfi (Reply 20):
Thrust reversers are called "insurance" items and would not fall under an engine maintenance deal. Insurance items are things like nose cowls, leading edge flaps, thrust reversers etc that tend to break from things hitting them, rather from wear and tear.

AI GEnx engines are under 12 year GE OnPoint Solution Management with FOD coverage. Does those come under FOD coverage, or general insurance?

Only correlation ANL @BUD, ANH @DEL and ANK @BHK are 2012 deliveries. Though only ANL seems to technical issue. There are rumors ANH suffered bird strike.

Some one close to BUD ops posted, GEnx replacement came in three pieces with some assembly required instructions.

My take, AI might have used ANI engines on ANL and ANH. If that is true ANI will be AOG for longer.

They should lease additional GEnx engines.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:42 pm

I came across an SQ A380 parked at remote bay in front of T-2 around 10 am at BOM yesterday.

Was it facing some technical issue and was grounded for it?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:52 am

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 21):
My take, AI might have used ANI engines on ANL and ANH. If that is true ANI will be AOG for longer.

So what about AND? It's still grounded too.

AI can't make payroll, but it happily makes lease payments on frames it apparently doesn't need. If it really wanted to spite the GOI, it should stop making lease payments on the unnecessary widebodies and have the lessors dispose of them.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:07 am

Interesting story by Anjulli Bhargava, a columnist who normally puts out very sober and well thought out stories. This one seems to paint a different picture of AI that what is painted on A.net. Some of the numbers seem to skirt the core issue (for example the concept of variable costs which does not include non-flight costs of the airline). Comments please.

http://www.business-standard.com/art...-for-air-india-115021700016_1.html
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:25 pm

9W planning to wet lease three 33F from Etihad and becoming the first airline of India to start dedicated intl cargo ops. I don't know if it is appropriate to post the link or not but it is in business standard.

Also AI is planning a new DEL-BCN-MAD triangular routing once newer 788s arrive, which might happen around the same time as Govt of India is planning to extend e-visa facility for Spain. AMS is also on the cards. (Don't know how AMS will work though with the ST dominance and all)
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:57 pm

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 25):
Don't know how AMS will work though with the ST dominance and all

Are they starting AMS from BOM or DEL? DL has dropped the AMS - BOM. Not sure if KL plans to take over this route but if not then then AI has a good chance of making it work. Nonstop fares are almost the same as North America to India.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:17 pm

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 25):
9W planning to wet lease three 33F from Etihad and becoming the first airline of India to start dedicated intl cargo ops.

Air India did that for ages.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:35 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 27):
Air India did that for ages.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:18 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 27):
Air India did that for ages.

Oops honest mistake. Forgot the old times.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:02 pm

I think AI should drop these triangular routes. On paper they may make sense, but they seem to be operational nightmare.

Two crew bases, FDTL issues, complicated baggage handling to name a few.

It will be more simple to operate to main hub and have a local partner and good marketing campaign.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:06 am

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 25):
9W planning to wet lease three 33F from Etihad and becoming the first airline of India to start dedicated intl cargo ops. I don't know if it is appropriate to post the link or not but it is in business standard.

Cannot quite understand 9W's strategy here. They have so much belly hold on their A333s and B77Ws but must be limited by their poor network.

And on cargo operations it is complete open skies. So will 9W be able to take on EK?
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:01 am

Will they be in EY livery?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:34 pm

Interesting revelations from AI tenders.

They had no freaking contract to transport GE90/GEnx engines. Apparently they were calling tenders when they need. So even if Mumbai/Delhi has a replacement engine, they were wasting time to hire a cargo plane. Unbelievable.

Also new leased A320SL apparently has 69 uncommon parts. They issued tender for these 69 parts, before it can enter commercial service.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:43 pm

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 30):
I think AI should drop these triangular routes.

Absolutely. Same for SYD and MEL too. I wonder why AI can't serve BCN and MAD individually. Surely they have the traffic.

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 30):
It will be more simple to operate to main hub and have a local partner and good marketing campaign.

Exactly. Isn't that the whole point of Star Alliance? If they can't serve a destination with direct flights, they should be flowing that traffic throuh a *A partner hub.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:04 pm

Am at ORD T3 n saw 2 AI birds as i came in. One is at the gate n the other at the hard stand. Any idea why? Not in a position to post regs. Didn't see this discussed elsewhere.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:12 pm

Quoting VTORD (Reply 35):

Neither did I hear it duscussed anywhere. What the regd of that 77W? I heard somewhere else too about this, and seems like its parked since a week or so.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:28 pm

Quoting VTORD (Reply 35):
m at ORD T3 n saw 2 AI birds as i came in. One is at the gate n the other at the hard stand. Any idea why? Not in a position to post regs. Didn't see this discussed elsewhere.

The one on the hard stand is VT-ALS. It went tech around 10 days back. Don't know the reason behind the grounding.

The one at the gate must be VT-ALU, operating the regular AI 127 / 126.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:35 pm

AI seems to have painted one of the 77W's in the *A colors. This must either be ALJ or ALR.


 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:01 pm

How did Indian media miss an AI AOG for ten days. Epic failure. Some reporter lost a free lunch, or keeping story for a special occasion.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:44 pm

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 39):
How did Indian media miss an AI AOG for ten days.

You forgot to mention about the bloggers!   

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:38 am

Wish they would apply the complete combination of logo, english and hindi titles on both sides of the SA livery aircraft, thats how its meant to be, not just english on one side hindi on the other and no logo on either.
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:37 pm

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 40):

It appears to me Modi is drinking masala kool-aid. He is also having difficulty with the thoughts of developing entire country vs developing Gujarat. BJP-TDP relationship is on the rocks. Raju is way too dignified for MoCA. Nandan had enough. Both are looking for exit opportunities.

Not even a single aviation issue fixed in budget, on top they increased service taxes dropped service tax exemption for aviation infrastructure.

I would say AI had a good few months and Acche Din are behind it. Just some other airline took over 9W/KFA role running AI by proxy.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:19 pm

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 37):
The one on the hard stand is VT-ALS. It went tech around 10 days back. Don't know the reason behind the grounding.

An AI captain was mentioning a reason, but I have forgotten. I think, but am not sure, it was engine related.

He was telling me that AI legal has written the contract in such a weak manner, that GE is not responsible for delivering anything on time.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:28 pm

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 37):

Thanks for the update!

Quoting dtw2hyd (Reply 42):
BJP-TDP relationship is on the rocks.

Can't find anything that mentions this....but c'mon now who will tweet, wear personalized suits to welcome "Barack" and host inane radio shows if the Honorable PM assigns some time to reforming Aviation?
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:00 pm

Seems like Qatar is interested in IndiGo.

"I think domestic airlines in India are inefficiently run. The only one efficiently run is IndiGo. If we have the opportunity to acquire a stake in IndiGo we shall be very pleased to do so," Al Baker said.

What I found particularly interesting is this comment which I think was directed at Etihad:

"We will look at other acquisitions of airlines but we look at airlines that don't take the resources of Qatar, or attention of Qatar management, to fix issues. We will always go after goldsmiths, not scrap dealers."

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/qatar-air...kes-including-indigo/532095-7.html
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:23 pm

Apparently H.E.AAB and Indigo CEO had a lunch meeting in New Delhi. Indigo is not interested in any investors right now.

Airlines are like young women. They don't want to get hitched in their prime, when they are ready, no one is interested.
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:01 pm

And in the meantime VT-ANI is back where she belongs. Flew AI20 on 06MAR DEL-CCU and was pleasantly surprised to have her, none the worse for her lengthy hibernation.

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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:07 am

Air India has halved Moscow and dropped a flight on DEL-DAC. They also dropped a flight on DEL-AMD

http://www.firstpost.com/business/ai...his-may-not-be-enough-2143915.html

Looks like babus traveling between AMD and DEL not using AI.....
 
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RE: Indian Aviation Thread Part 109

Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:33 pm

Holi flash mob @DEL by SpiceJet crew.

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Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos