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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:27 am

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My guess is that it would have to be an improved, more efficient engine, but obviously with less power. T7000 will have received some later design
architecture from T-XWB & all the latest T-1000-TEN upgrades such as complicated software etc. I `d imagine this, with other improvements to the
frame, would give the A330Neo a good chance in the market to compete with the B787......time will tell though.


If you read up on the links I provided you will see that the TEN already got quite a bit of "aid" from TXWB backports.
( Looks like the current design now is a TXWB ?scaled? core with the Fan/LP stuff from the Trent1000.)
Afaics the T7000 is a T1000TEN + more bleed offtakes. ( costing some 1/10% sfc if even that.)

A330NEO : First flight‎: ‎Expected spring 2017
787-8 and -9 will have the TEN available next ~?Summer?
787-10 : First flight: Expected in 2017

There wasn*t/isn't all that much time available/left for anything else to add. ( which is OK IMHO ).
ergo the Trent 7000 and Trent1000TEN are subtypes on the same technology level.
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:51 pm

Thanks Wiederling. Just replying to olle`s question on the difference`s between T7000 & T1000.
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:13 pm

CX B-LRF entered revenue service.

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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:38 pm

Looks like SQ likes the bird....
http://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/pdf/I ... fy1617.pdf

As a result of the A350 capability, both in terms of its range and also its fuel efficiency, we are able to also launch destinations that we couldn't possibly serve in a commercially viable manner before.
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:25 am

No surprise here, years ago both CX and SQ said they need aircraft like the A350 to open routes where the 777 is too inefficient.
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:32 am

2nd daily QR A350 service to LHR has been brought forward from 16 Dec to 1 Dec, 1st QR A350 to service CDG has been pushed back from 16 Dec to 1 Jan 17

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... ce-in-w16/
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:38 am

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No surprise here, years ago both CX and SQ said they need aircraft like the A350 to open routes where the 777 is too inefficient.


May not be a surprise but still good to hear from the customer that the aircraft is doing what was promised... In the case of the SFO route perhaps more than what was promised.
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:06 am

http://twitter.com/lufthansaNews
LH has published a seat map for the a350...
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:12 am

I don't understand why LH is keeping their 2-2-2 business layout...
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:26 am

PR-XTC back in service
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:50 pm

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PR-XTC back in service


And now PR-XTB seems to be out of service, last flight was on November 7.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pr-xtb

Can't help feeling that the first 3 TAM A350s are being repainted in LATAM livery.
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:45 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
ap305 wrote:
PR-XTC back in service


And now PR-XTB seems to be out of service, last flight was on November 7.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pr-xtb

Can't help feeling that the first 3 TAM A350s are being repainted in LATAM livery.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/gustavomac ... ateposted/

It looks like its just sitting at GRU doing nothing.... I wonder if TAM has a crew shortage and are rotating the a350s?
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:50 pm

TG preliminary A350 service in W17

Bangkok – Frankfurt TG922/923 A350-900XWB replaces 777-300ER, 4 weekly
Bangkok – Milan Malpensa A350-900XWB operates 3 weekly, replacing 747-400
Bangkok – Phuket – Frankfurt A350-900XWB replaces 777-300ER, 3 weekly
Bangkok – Rome A350-900XWB operates 4 weekly, replacing 777-200ER

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-17nov16/
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:03 am

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PR-XTC back in service


Still in TAM livery.

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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:27 pm

SQ on SFO seems to be operating reliably and frequently srriving ahead of schedule. Goes head to head with UA 789 .......any information who is winning the largest market share .....or any passenger feedback on this routing? It will be interesting to see where else SQ places A350 as surely pleased with again what appears to be a very smooth overall introductory year. It would be nice to see the CX copies applied more on ULH as many currently are very short such as MNL and TPE(short term crew training?)
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:03 am

Did we ever hear why CASA wouldn't let TG fly the A350 to Oz?
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:43 am

Apparently CX is opening HKG-CDG with A350 - On FR24 https://www.flightradar24.com/CPA279/ba84d1c
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Tue Nov 22, 2016 8:44 am

CX B-LRI (MSN 58) entered revenue service.

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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:45 pm


@airbus reports 49 x A350s currently in service achieving 98.5% operational reliability target #A350FF


https://twitter.com/ALW_Craig/status/801735409634045952
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:15 pm

Impressive performance and a thorough testing programme paying dividends, now just get more off the production line!
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:14 am

B-18902 (China Airlines #2) just entered revenue service this morning on TPE-HKG route. I presume it also had a bird decal applied. Pictures should prop up soon.
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:02 am

No special bird sticker applied.

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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:27 am

PR-XTB back in service
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:40 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVM8XZaZ5ok
This justplanes preview on youtube of a TAM a350 flight provides some very interesting data when the crew shows the planning screen around 30 seconds into the video.
If I am reading it correctly, oew is 139.5t and the average fuel flow is 6.2t per hour with a estimated 41t payload. The oew figures are very impressive given the density of the TAM config (348 seats). The fuel flow would be even better with a less dense configuration..... One can now start to understand how SQ is able to operate the a359 on the SFO route. Further in the video well into the flight we can see an actual fuel flow of only 5.2t per hr.
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Dec 01, 2016 5:51 pm

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The oew figures are very impressive given the density of the TAM config (348 seats).

While it is dense it is important to keep in mind that it is predominately configured with lighter weight Y seats vs heavier C seats (of which it only has 30). OEW of course is not including all the passengers on the plane.

Still good though. I believe ~135-140t is about what most people have been saying for the A359 OEW.
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:04 pm

Polot wrote:
ap305 wrote:
The oew figures are very impressive given the density of the TAM config (348 seats).

While it is dense it is important to keep in mind that it is predominately configured with lighter weight Y seats vs heavier C seats (of which it only has 30). OEW of course is not including all the passengers on the plane.

Still good though.


I am aware of that. However a modern long haul economy seat with ife box, impact resistant structure etc is not that light anymore. That config is dense weight wise whichever way you look at it. When Zeke quotes a figure of only 135t for the CX birds, we can understand how that is possible. The batch 3 appears to be a substantial weight improvement over the first dozen or so production aircraft.
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:06 pm

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Still good though. I believe ~135-140t is about what most people have been saying for the A359 OEW.


144t was a figure which was thrown around here for a while...
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:45 pm

ap305 wrote:
Polot wrote:

Still good though. I believe ~135-140t is about what most people have been saying for the A359 OEW.


144t was a figure which was thrown around here for a while...


144,000kg is what one member states Finnair's earliest A350-900's weigh (so this is an early build before any of the weight reduction efforts), but that figure has been strongly disputed by another member as being far too high.
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:02 pm

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No surprise here, years ago both CX and SQ said they need aircraft like the A350 to open routes where the 777 is too inefficient.


The A350 will outperform the 77W on nearly all routes in the CX network outside of the east coast NA sectors (JFK,BOS,YYZ). The A350 is a game changer and seems to be performing better than spec, its nice to see an aircraft actually have a relatively trouble free EIS again.
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:19 pm

Stitch wrote:
ap305 wrote:
Polot wrote:

Still good though. I believe ~135-140t is about what most people have been saying for the A359 OEW.


144t was a figure which was thrown around here for a while...


144,000kg is what one member states Finnair's earliest A350-900's weigh (so this is an early build before any of the weight reduction efforts), but that figure has been strongly disputed by another member as being far too high.


Actually 144t was listed in the older ACAP docs. It is assumed that 144t OEW applies for the "batch 2 aircraft" (MSN 5 to 20). Airbus introduced weight savings from MSN 21, the so called "batch 3 aircraft". Finnair's first A350 - MSN 18 - would be a "batch 2 aircraft".

Cathay's A350 OEW is reported to be 138t, i.e. the same ballpark as LATAM.

Either way, a 5-6t weight reduction is quite impressive. I suppose it explains why Airbus could easily increase the MTOW from 268 to 275 tonne.
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:29 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Stitch wrote:
ap305 wrote:

144t was a figure which was thrown around here for a while...


144,000kg is what one member states Finnair's earliest A350-900's weigh (so this is an early build before any of the weight reduction efforts), but that figure has been strongly disputed by another member as being far too high.


Actually 144t was listed in the older ACAP docs. It is assumed that 144t OEW applies for the "batch 2 aircraft" (MSN 5 to 20). Airbus introduced weight savings from MSN 21, the so called "batch 3 aircraft". Finnair's first A350 - MSN 18 - would be a "batch 2 aircraft".

Cathay's A350 OEW is reported to be 138t, i.e. the same ballpark as LATAM.

Either way, a 5-6t weight reduction is quite impressive. I suppose it explains why Airbus could easily increase the MTOW from 268 to 275 tonne.


The CX figure is 135t according to Zeke here...

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1345689

This would make sense compared to the Latam figure as 68 seats less will make a substantial difference no matter the configuration details.
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:32 pm

Oops, that's what I meant. Somehow I ended up writing 138t.
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:39 am

Finnair started HEL-SFO this morning On FR24
Does this flight fly over the North Pole ?
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:16 pm

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Finnair started HEL-SFO this morning On FR24
Does this flight fly over the North Pole ?

Just charter for the Slush event that has been in here during the week...
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:48 pm

ap305 wrote:

I am aware of that. However a modern long haul economy seat with ife box, impact resistant structure etc is not that light anymore. That config is dense weight wise whichever way you look at it. When Zeke quotes a figure of only 135t for the CX birds, we can understand how that is possible. The batch 3 appears to be a substantial weight improvement over the first dozen or so production aircraft.


Higher density cabins with dual class setups are almost always the lightest option. Case in point, the three Kenyan 77Ws on sale a few years ago had empty weights in the region of 166t which is nearly 4t lower than ours. That's despite the 100 additional seats in their config.
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:52 pm

Out of interest - what frames are in general being replaced by the A350's in service.
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:02 pm

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Out of interest - what frames are in general being replaced by the A350's in service.


SQ: 333, 772 (ER and non-ER)
CX: 343, 744
QR: None for now
AY: 343
JJ: not very clear, they fly on former 77W routes
TG: 772
VN: 772 and 332
ET: 767?
CI: 343

Overall they tend to replace planes of similar capacity: 343 and 772.
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:04 pm

Thank you.
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:20 pm

Chaostheory wrote:
Higher density cabins with dual class setups are almost always the lightest option. Case in point, the three Kenyan 77Ws on sale a few years ago had empty weights in the region of 166t which is nearly 4t lower than ours. That's despite the 100 additional seats in their config.


Thanks for that... In the case of CX vs TAM however it appears the denser config is indeed the heavier one. Cx has only eight more business class seats(although probably a bit heavier per seat than TAM) and a lot fewer economy seats. There may also be less galley infrastructure and fewer lavatories?
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:50 am

China Airlines inaugural A350 flight to Osaka this morning as CI152. Flown by B-18901.
Will increase to 2x daily on Dec 28th upon delivery of 3rd A350.
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:13 am

Cathay Pacific is going to start sending the A350 to Brisbane from March 2017

http://www.ausbt.com.au/cathay-pacific- ... march-2017
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:00 pm

SQ 31 had a flight time of 17:09 today.... The a350 is really starting to stretch its legs.
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:39 pm

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SQ 31 had a flight time of 17:09 today.... The a350 is really starting to stretch its legs.


I'm not sure how relevant this is to the thread, but one thing I noticed is that earlier on the flights between SFO and SIN were flown with 9V-SME and 9V-SMF, but recently all SQ's A350s have started going, spanning 'MA (MSN026) to 'MF (MSN054). How much weight difference is there between 'MA and 'MF? It seems like it would take a toll on such long flights if there's a difference.
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:00 pm

They are all batch 3 frames so have the large weight improvements. Batch 3 started if I remember correctly at MSN 21
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:39 pm

SQ 9V-SMG entered commercial service.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9v-smg
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Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:16 am

PR-XTF (LATAM #6) entered commercial service last night. GRU-MIA. JJ8090.
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:29 am

SQ 9V-SMH entered revenue service.

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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:05 am

B-LRG (Cathay #8) entered revenue service yesterday on HKG-TPE-HKG-AKL after 3 weeks in the shop getting its business class seats installed.

PR-XTA (LATAM Brazil #1) re-entered revenue service yesterday on GRU-MAD-GRU after 4 weeks in GRU. Time will tell if it got the new livery!
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:13 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
B-LRG (Cathay #8) entered revenue service yesterday on HKG-TPE-HKG-AKL after 3 weeks in the shop getting its business class seats installed.

PR-XTA (LATAM Brazil #1) re-entered revenue service yesterday on GRU-MAD-GRU after 4 weeks in GRU. Time will tell if it got the new livery!



Has CX cleared all the certification hurdles with their J seats or do they still need to block the first row of seats in business class?
 
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Re: A350 In Service Thread - Part 3

Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:29 pm

QR A7-ALM (MSN 42) entered revenue service.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/a7-alm
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