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Transasia ATR-72 Crashes In Taipei - Part 1

Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:30 am

Not a lot of information at the moment
But apparently a Transasia Airways ATR-72 crashed in the Keelung River
The aircraft involved is B-22816, an ATR-72-600 wearing the new livery.
No fatalities according to current new info, yet at least 10 people are awaiting rescue.

Source: http://news.tvbs.com.tw/entry/565854

[Edited 2015-02-03 19:32:35]
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:54 am

This is the 2nd crash of the same type and same Airline in just over 6 months. I've flown on them once on a trip from TSA to MZG in 2008.
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:58 am

It's been confirmed as the 11AM TSA-KNH flight.

I live under the flight path from TSA, and work close to home -- I can see a lot of rescue activity from my office in the area that is the Keelung river. I suspect this flight has come down in the river close to where I live -- in fact, I have a feeling that the photo in the OP is taken from a bridge I cross on an almost daily basis.

I sincerely hope that there are no fatalities.

EDIT: BBC is reporting there were 50 on board, with ten injured. No reports of fatalities.


EDIT 2: It's not as close to my house as I thought, but is right next to my partner's school.

[Edited 2015-02-03 20:03:30]

[Edited 2015-02-03 20:09:31]
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:04 am

Dash cam video of the crash here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=-MMzCwzXMQY

Terrible news, hopefully it's confirmed soon there are no fatalities.

EDIT: another pic



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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:14 am

That's crazy. I can't imagine being inside that as it went down. Did it look like smoke or something in the video as it comes into view?

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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:16 am

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 2):
EDIT: BBC is reporting there were 50 on board, with ten injured. No reports of fatalities.

After looking at those pictures, if this statement is accurate then those are the luckiest people alive today. It was just feet away from being a fireball rather than a flotation device.

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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:19 am

Local media is reporting that the aircraft hit a taxi on the elevated express way, then clipped a motel (I'm skeptical of this claim -- there are no buildings between the bridge and the river) before crashing into the river.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:24 am

Current weather in Taipei is light rain and high cloud with fairly good visibility. There doesn't seem to be any wind of note, no thunder or lightning.

EDIT: Thankfully we're experiencing water shortages, so the river level is very low, meaning that it's unlikely that the aircraft will be able to sink.

[Edited 2015-02-03 20:26:34]
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:27 am

This is TransAsia's 4th ATR-72 hull loss since 1995 according to Aviation Safety Network. TransAsia is the same company that had the ATR-72 crash on Magong island last year.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/operator/airline.php?var=4778
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:31 am

That's a very abnormal flying.

This kind of situation on the ATR can happen, and I AM ONLY SPECULATING, due to an engine failure, specially if the Auto feather does not actuate, or doing a wrong correction with the rudder, on the Atr-600 if the Yaw Dumper is engage the rudder will correct automatically, that's a new system for ATR planes.

let's hope everybody is safe and seeing the pics ill start believing in miracles...
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:34 am

From the pictures and video. It looks like that left engine is feathered which would mean it probably failed and if they are banked to the left in a stall they might of hit VMC and had a stall.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:35 am

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 6):

In the pictures above it does look entirely plausible that the aircraft could've at least clipped that taxi up ahead. As for the motel, I have no idea.
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:38 am

At the moment 2 reported dead en route to hospital.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:38 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 11):
In the pictures above it does look entirely plausible that the aircraft could've at least clipped that taxi up ahead. As for the motel, I have no idea.

I'm not doubting the taxi -- it got clipped, I don't think there's any way that can be denied. It's the motel claim I'm questioning. I travel along that express way regularly and there's nowhere along the length of it where there are buildings between the bridge and the river.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:40 am

Based off the live feed and how much of the plane is underwater ,I'd be surprised if there were no fatalities. I'm pretty amazed that actually have a live feed of the rescue efforts considering the last person they took out seemed unconscious at best. Hopefully they'll find more survivors.
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:41 am

Quoting coolfish1103 (Reply 12):
At the moment 2 reported dead en route to hospital.

If the report is confirmed, may they rest in peace  
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:49 am

Terrible news....
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:50 am

At this moment, two confirmed dead.
Several passengers got washed to the down stream of the river and are being rescued.
Second incident from TransAsia, an airline that had begun a massive expanision with more A330 NEO(?) or CEO ordered. They already had some in operation and I run across their Air Crew last week at Taoyuan airport. They are for a flight to Japan I believe.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:50 am

http://instagram.com/p/yqnvQ6OrkH/

Here is a video clip from the same dashcam
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:03 am

I am sorry to update that at this moment, local news are reporting 8 dead.
I think the dead toll will rise. RIP to the victims.
Still over 20 to 30 people unaccounted for at this moment.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:07 am

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 18):

http://instagram.com/p/yqnvQ6OrkH/

Here is a video clip from the same dashcam

That is incredible footage to say the very least. I feel terrible for those who lost loved ones aboard, but hopefully this video will shed some light onto the situation that led to their demise. May they rest in peace.

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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:08 am

If anyone walks away from that accident, they are very lucky.

Left engine does look like it's out. Seems the left wing stalled, judging by the dash video.
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:10 am

Quoting mark2fly1034 (Reply 10):
From the pictures and video. It looks like that left engine is feathered which would mean it probably failed and if they are banked to the left in a stall they might of hit VMC and had a stall.

While there is no proof, it looks like the # 1 engine failed
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:10 am

what the media is confusing me about is that it says the plane made a ditch into the river because it hit the highway. but from what it looks like to me is that things were going awry before it hit the highway.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:11 am

http://www.facebook.com/ChannelNewsA...34408279915184/?type=1&fref=nf

Here's a picture of the taxi the wing of the plane clipped...

http://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152660854612934

This video is a bit higher quality...

[Edited 2015-02-03 21:13:31]
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:15 am

Quoting fanofairliners (Reply 23):
what the media is confusing me about is that it says the plane made a ditch into the river because it hit the highway. but from what it looks like to me is that things were going awry before it hit the highway.

I live in Taiwan for a long time and have never felt I need to respect the media as they are poorly trained, making comments that are ridiculous and lack of factual and even reading the China Times e-copy today on this same news, I can see obvious mistake. I think you can reasonably assume, based on the video and the geographic location of the accident on what is the probable truth. Forget the media, they are useless! Especially in accident reporting.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:18 am

I'd like to know more details about how the fatalities occurred, if possible. Although the Asiana crash in 2013 resulted in only three fatalities out of 300+ people, upon studying the circumstances of each fatality, I can't help but conclude that the total fatality count in that crash could have been reduced by at least one, even with the crash occurring. I wonder if a similar conclusion could be drawn in this crash...

[Edited 2015-02-03 21:20:00]
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:19 am

Quoting celestar (Reply 25):
Forget the media, they are useless! Especially in accident reporting.

Couldnt agree more about the useless Taiwanese media. But I must say I'm surprised at this fairly decent/ somewhat accurate (not in regards to speculating what happened) livestream report on the rescue efforts. nonetheless still thought I'd bring the remarks up to hear people's thoughts.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:20 am

Looks like they are removing luggage and whatnot from the plane now. Does that mean there's no one left to rescue or is it just to help with their efforts?
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:21 am

Quoting fanofairliners (Reply 23):
what the media is confusing me about is that it says the plane made a ditch into the river because it hit the highway.

Well, clearly airplanes are not supposed to hit highways to begin with. So obviously something had to be going wrong before that.

Looking at the video just posted by hoons90, which goes a bit further back, it looks like the airplane was losing altitude in a wings-level attitude and would have ditched anyway, but at the last moment the left wing dropped and it crashed. It *appears* that either it had stalled completely and they were attempting a turn regardless (to avoid obstacles?), or they were in the process of ditching and the left wing stalled due to lack of power.

[Edited 2015-02-03 21:22:46]
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:23 am

AirlineReporter.com pulled the ATC audio and "it appears that the flight called a mayday with an engine flame out."
http://www.airlinereporter.com/2015/...r72-flight-ge235-crashes-take-off/
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:33 am

Quoting mark2fly1034 (Reply 10):
From the pictures and video. It looks like that left engine is feathered which would mean it probably failed and if they are banked to the left in a stall they might of hit VMC and had a stall.
Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 30):
AirlineReporter.com pulled the ATC audio and "it appears that the flight called a mayday with an engine flame out."
http://www.airlinereporter.com/2015/...-off/

It certainly looks like the #1 wasn't running like the #2 was. Also appears to stall. The front of the aircraft appears non survivable. Hearing now that 8 have perished. That plane came dangerously close to hitting those buildings. There is no doubt in my mind that the 2 up front were fighting it till the very end. So sad!  
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:41 am

Looks to me like the left wing did clip a building before the bridge.

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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:44 am

Looking all the way back in that footage, it is amazing it didn't crash into any buildings or hit the bridge. If the pilots were at the controls, it looks as if their efforts saved many lives.
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:47 am

Looking at the videos, I just have to wonder, what the heck was the plane doing there anyway? Is this near an airport?
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:49 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 32):
Looks to me like the left wing did clip a building before the bridge.

I noticed that in the initial video as well as this one, but it might just be the angle and distance playing tricks on my eyes.

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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:49 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 34):
Is this near an airport?

Yes, this happened on take-off from Sungshan Airport (TSA) which is pretty much in the middle of Taipei.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:56 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 35):

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 32):
Looks to me like the left wing did clip a building before the bridge.

I noticed that in the initial video as well as this one, but it might just be the angle and distance playing tricks on my eyes.

Looking at the stills, there doesn't appear to be any wing damage so I'm guessing it's just an illusion.

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Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:58 am

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 18):

From the looks of it they were lucky they did not end up as a fire on the highway or that they didnt collide with the hotel/apartment in the video , RIP to those who died if the reports are true

[Edited 2015-02-03 22:05:36]
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:01 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 32):
Looks to me like the left wing did clip a building before the bridge.

If you see frame by frame, it appears the tail hits a building, but no, the plane continues its path.

For the earlier dash cam video which shows a more wide and distant view, it appears the aircraft was nose up, may be climbing and then suddenly loses altitude and left wing banks sharp left. Isn't this the normal profile of a type aerodynamic stall?

Mistake in weight calculation?
Slow take-off / climb speed?
Flaps not set? Retracted to early?
Microburst? Though the rainy weather does not appear violent.
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:02 am

Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 30):
"it appears that the flight called a mayday with an engine flame out."

The left propeller appears to be feathered in the videos. With one engine out and prop feathered an ATR is able to maintain directional control and achieve a positive climb gradient.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:04 am

Amazing that anyone survived...
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:05 am

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 24):
Here's a picture of the taxi the wing of the plane clipped...

Go explain that to your insurance company...
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:26 am

BBC is now reporting that 12 have lost their lives in this crash.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:31 am

I was trying to figure out how/where this happened. It looks to me like it took off from runway 10 at Songshan and made it out about 3.15 miles from the end of the runway before what you see in the video. It looks like the car is traveling northwest west on Huandong bvld. along the west/south bank of the Keelung River.

Is this the correct location?

https://www.google.com/maps/@25.0612...1sZIx2UURLb4XaNImBNIpj2w!2e0?hl=en

It also looks like responders arrived pretty quickly and worked really fast. Either that or the Keelung River is very slow flowing.

It's insane that so many of these aviation accidents are caught on camera now.

[Edited 2015-02-03 22:37:33]

[Edited 2015-02-03 22:39:13]
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:42 am

Quoting savethequads (Reply 45):
Is this the correct location?

I'd say no -- I think the location was closer to the airport than where you've marked. In the photos that show the aircraft clipping the taxi, there's the camera arch that goes over the road. That would be your best reference point.

The emergency services responded very quickly. The flight was scheduled to depart TSA at 11:00AM. I'm not sure what time it did in fact depart, but I heard the emergency services go past my office not long after 11:10 or 11:15AM. The services going past my office would not have been the closest responders ... there are at least two fire stations that I know of that are closer to the crash site.

EDIT: I think this would be the location. http://www.google.com/maps/@25.06265...1s_jMTLjZZGzvP8mc1knbsAg!2e0?hl=en

If I'm correct, then they also just missed an MRT (Taipei's Subway system) line.

[Edited 2015-02-03 22:49:03]

[Edited 2015-02-03 22:49:25]
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:53 am

I was 300 m off. so sue me. I was trying to give the wide picture from where the video starts rolling so people can retrace the road. Regardless, the electrical pylon on the left side matches.

[Edited 2015-02-03 22:55:27]

[Edited 2015-02-03 22:59:49]
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:01 am

Quoting savethequads (Reply 47):

I think that the location you pointed out is probably about 100 m further from the airport than the one I mentioned -- it's not a huge difference, but there are a few significant changes over that 100 m or so, including a Science Park that the aircraft would not have missed if it had carried on to the location that you pointed out. (The buildings in the Science Park are significantly higher than Huandong Expressway -- the aircraft would not have cleared those and then crashed into the expressway the way it did.)

Also, my partner was at school when this happened, and he told me it happened next to the school -- which ties in with the location I marked.
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:17 am

Almost looks like a VMC situation.
My thoughts with the families. Not a great start for aviation this year.

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