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MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:30 pm

Link fom last thread

Bits and bobs from there:

EK's A380 layouts in light of the 2nd daily A380 service that started 1st Feb.

SV maintaining 4 weekly throughout the summer

Snow came and went with handling companies seemingly not having enough deicing rigs

IA to start 2 weekly service in March (permission pending)

BE route enhancements with E195 from 7th Feb

CX nabbed 79% loads in December.


NOw for new news

MAN's expecting to announce a route currently only available at LHR shortly. My favourite has got to be a service to the Cayman Islands...can't think of any other likely routes, can you?

MAN pax up 7% in Jan with domestic, international scheduled, charter and freight all showing increses (when was the last time that happened?!)
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:44 pm

Quoting david_itl (Thread starter):
My favourite has got to be a service to the Cayman Islands...can't think of any other likely routes, can you?

Who'd fly it, if not BA?

Does the MAN-PEK with Hainan count or is that now done and dusted?
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:48 pm

Hainan's not yet the done deal, cutting it fine though for a May start. It just amazed me that they'd say something like "new route only currently available at LHR" when it's been signposted in the media for 6 months or more about Hainan to Beijing. It's hardly breaching any news embargo!


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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:53 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 2):
"new route only currently available at LHR" when it's been signposted in the media for 6 months or more about Hainan to Beijing. It's hardly breaching any news embargo!

I suppose it's not officially a new route until it's been finalised.
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:36 pm

CX eying going daily...

' Rupert Hogg, chief operating officer at Cathay Pacific, was speaking at a gala dinner at Manchester Town Hall...

He said: "This is a very significant moment and we are very enthusiastic about the future and are delighted to be celebrating our newest route. We'd like to get it to a daily service as quickly as possible. We have had an excellent start with healty load factors in terms of passenger and cargo." '

Does that statement really surprise anyone? Pertinent question for Mr Hogg, would be what, exactly, kept you from restarting this service earlier whilst adding ad nauseum to the LHR frequency.
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:34 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 4):
CX eying going daily...

' Rupert Hogg, chief operating officer at Cathay Pacific, was speaking at a gala dinner at Manchester Town Hall...

He said: "This is a very significant moment and we are very enthusiastic about the future and are delighted to be celebrating our newest route. We'd like to get it to a daily service as quickly as possible. We have had an excellent start with healty load factors in terms of passenger and cargo." '

Does that statement really surprise anyone? Pertinent question for Mr Hogg, would be what, exactly, kept you from restarting this service earlier whilst adding ad nauseum to the LHR frequency.

Excellent if true! Glad to hear it is going well. The route has only being going for around 8 weeks which usually isn't enough to judge a route so I am assuming forward bookings are very healthy.
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:51 pm

I wonder of HKG - MAN will be one of the first routes to go daily with the A359.. Or will CX go all out and try daily 77W?
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:01 am

Quoting david_itl (Thread starter):

Santorini?  
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:44 am

Quoting by738 (Reply 7):

Santorini is available from LHR, LGW, MAN, BHX and NCL  

I think he was meaning Bogota
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:24 am

Quoting david_itl (Reply 4):
He said: "This is a very significant moment and we are very enthusiastic about the future and are delighted to be celebrating our newest route. We'd like to get it to a daily service as quickly as possible. We have had an excellent start with healty load factors in terms of passenger and cargo." '



Quoting david_itl (Reply 4):
Does that statement really surprise anyone? Pertinent question for Mr Hogg, would be what, exactly, kept you from restarting this service earlier whilst adding ad nauseum to the LHR frequency.


September is what I am hearing for a daily service.

When LHR slots become available, you use them. Doesn't matter if MAN could or could not potentially make more money than an additional LHR, quite simply you add the LHR. MAN was always a little bit of an unknown although there is no surprise it is doing well.

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 6):
I wonder of HKG - MAN will be one of the first routes to go daily with the A359.. Or will CX go all out and try daily 77W?

Would not surprise me in the slightest if next year it goes beyond daily, maybe once the A359 comes along. Whether it goes daily A359 depends if the loads drop. The 3-class 77W carries 340 pax. I can't remember off the top of my hear the CX A359 config but it will be a drop of capacity (But maybe not a drop in profit). More likely you will not see a daily A359 service from CX but see it supplementing the daily 77W, until perhaps it went double daily?...but thats years down the road I think.

Management have stated, that after the big expansion into North America of the last few years, Europe will be the target of the next big push especially with the A350s coming. We will receive 13 A350s next year alone! Expect many more destination announcements in the coming months/year.
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:10 pm

Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 9):
. Doesn't matter if MAN could or could not potentially make more money than an additional LHR, quite simply you add the LHR

So if MAN generated a billion dollar profit but adding an extra LHR route generated just 1 cent in profit, you'd operate to LHR in place of MAN. Absolutely bonkers.

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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:48 pm

Jet 2 doing 4x Xmas specials to New York (EWR). May be of more interest to EWR spotters, perhaps.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....hes-winter-flight-schedule-8598826

Departures will be on November 5 for four nights, November 26 for four nights - including Black Friday - and December 3 for four nights, plus December 11 for three nights.
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:17 pm

CX in the Evening News

Some embellishment on the quotes previously mentioned in the Business Desk article


"Passenger load factors have been up in the low 80s which is what we like to see"

"We want to get up to a daily service,” said Mr Hogg. “And we will do that as and when we have aircraft available to do that.
We will then keep building the awareness at the other end (Hong Kong) of the route to people who want to come to not just Manchester, but this part of the UK. And as and when the demand builds we will look to keep increasing services.”
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:53 pm

EK time

“We have carried more than 7m passengers and what is interesting is that demand has accelerated since then. What we have seen is a strong demand for long haul flights in Manchester. It really has changed beyond recognition. People’s mindset is now they don’t need to go anywhere else to fly long haul.”

This may, of course, help influence some airlines weighing up the pros and cons of whether to maintain their status quo of routing passengers via other airports or take the plunge a la CX and see the take up everyone expects. Also points out the fallacy that having the MEB3 at MAN precludes other airlines having their own long-haul routes coming from the east.
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:59 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 10):

Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 9):
. Doesn't matter if MAN could or could not potentially make more money than an additional LHR, quite simply you add the LHR

So if MAN generated a billion dollar profit but adding an extra LHR route generated just 1 cent in profit, you'd operate to LHR in place of MAN. Absolutely bonkers.

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Well, you're examples are extreme and obviously unrealistic. In reality of course you would not ignore the 1 billion profit but the likelihood is that the differences are not so extreme so given a choice when LHR slots are available you have to look at the big picture future and accept potentially lower profits to secure that LHR slot. This is all theoretical of course but LHR does very well for CX, so they are not flying empty flights of anywhere close, just to secure the slot. The flights all do well in their own right.
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:02 pm

Do you think now that TCX have announced these routes, either AA, DL, UA or VS will look into operating them too?

I still think VS could operate 4 x weekly MAN-LAX and 3 x MAN-SFO on one of their new B787's and codeshare with DL.
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:44 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 15):
Do you think now that TCX have announced these routes, either AA, DL, UA or VS will look into operating them too?

My feeling is that they're primarily leisure markets which is why TCX are doing the LAX run a couple of times a week rather than the others.

MAN has seen the AA54/55 to ORD disappear at the beginning of Jan, to become seasonal - restarting April 15th. I expect the planes make more money on other routes and given all the other services between the UK (London) and points in Europe to the US I expect such services struggle.
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:38 pm

VY has announced BCN-MAN, so the IAG family grows at MAN (also I2 launching MAD-MAN)

PD: I must admit Mad Man is funny  
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sat Feb 14, 2015 2:19 am

Who handles AF-KL at MAN? I couldn't find any info around
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:08 am

Quoting seemyseems (Reply 18):

A company called ASIG.
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:31 pm

MS restarting ops! MS783/784 starts 2nd July on Thurs, Sat, Sun arr 1330 dept 1430 then daily ex Mon and Weds from 19th July with the same times. Noted in the timetable section but not yet bookable
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:25 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 20):
MS restarting ops!

When did they stop?
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:30 pm

Last October. Would like to know the wording of the bilateral that's causing them issues.
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:04 pm

It's still a brave move given the situation over there. I have a close relative who lives in Cairo, he says it is very unsafe currently (a man who has lived all over the middle east for many years).
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:48 am

Some interesting stand selections at T3 yesterday.

I went down to LHR on the shuttle and a US/AA 332 was parked on Stand 145 as opposed to its normal 155

On my return shuttle we parked on stand 42 (T1 13)

Is there a shift in stands at T3 planned?
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:16 am

It's rumoured that the Jet2 deal for the A330 has been cancelled
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:19 pm

Anyone knows what the issue was with this mornings Saudi Arabian flight? HZ-AKD was parked after landing and inspected by the fire brigade as seen in the picture below.



After inspection it taxied to the gate and departed on time at noon.

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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:34 pm

The easyJet flight to Bilbao returned to MAN this morning about 15 mins after departing
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:14 am

I believe both the Saudia and easyjet mentioned above both came in on full emergency.
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:00 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 20):
MS restarting ops! MS783/784 starts 2nd July on Thurs, Sat, Sun arr 1330 dept 1430 then daily ex Mon and Weds from 19th July with the same times. Noted in the timetable section but not yet bookable

It's bookable now, so the restarting of the MAN - CAI service is a definite.

Unfortunately, at the moment, their only showing full fare Y and J tickets available, at rather high prices, so I'll stick with my current itinerary, combining LH and Ms, via FRA.

(Oddly though a multi- destination MAN - CAI - LXR - CAI - MAN, with stopovers at each city in Egypt, works out cheaper than straight forward MAN - CAI flights.)
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:17 pm

St Maarten next up?

"Also, the current service from Stockholm, Sweden by Thomas Cook Airlines, offers a great window of opportunity to discuss possible service from Manchester, England by Thomson Airways."


I'd imagine a potential 787 route. But why not get Thomas Cook to do a something like MAN-SXM-ANU-MAN routing?
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:45 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 30):

St Maarten next up?

"Also, the current service from Stockholm, Sweden by Thomas Cook Airlines, offers a great window of opportunity to discuss possible service from Manchester, England by Thomson Airways."


I'd imagine a potential 787 route. But why not get Thomas Cook to do a something like MAN-SXM-ANU-MAN routing?

I'd nearly guarantee us all on this forum would book a seat. AF and KL have very high prices and I would hope TCX have some of their bargain last minute prices.
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:23 pm

The TCX MAN hub seems to be dead considdering the amount of lh expansion from GLA
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:16 am

AF7 JFK-CDG diverting in now, A380 F-HPJC
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:58 am

So MAN's now maxed out for A380s. Quick put the no A380 div NOTAM out!
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:07 pm

AA210 Arrived 4 hours late this morning at 11:24
Departing at 12:15

50 Min turnaround for an 8 hour TATL flight 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:11 pm

Rescue flights for AFR007 pax!

AFR 382V F-GKXP A320
AFR 384V F-GUGG A318
AFR 383V F-HBNG A320 >> domestic A320 routing from ORY!
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:08 pm

Quoting david_itl (Reply 36):

Would it not have been easier just to send a crew from CDG on the next AF flight to MAN?
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:13 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 37):
Would it not have been easier just to send a crew from CDG on the next AF flight to MAN?

Have done so however aircraft reportedly now gone tech
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:13 pm

The crew arrived on AF1068 at around 2pm but there's meant to be an issue with the A380 itself now
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:32 pm

Lots of less than happy bunnies on the diverted AFR7.

Plane left JFK 6hrs late, crew hours caused the diversion, and then pax stuck on the plane for the best part of 7hrs before they could disembark.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...lots-reach-maximum-work-hours.html
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:50 pm

bmi regional to end MAN-ABZ from end of march
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:42 am

Out of interest, do VS base aircraft at MAN to operate their routes to MCO, BGI, LAS (and soon ATL)? IIRC, I've seen photos on here showing VS aircraft being repositioned from LGW to MAN and vise versa, but if there are flights from MAN every day, can they not base aircraft their permanently?
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:07 am

Yes, VS do have Manchester based aircraft. The positioning flights normally are when a non-daily service is involved (for example Las Vegas) where the aircraft may come from Gatwick.
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:44 am

Just being curious, but does anyone-in-the-know know why EK19 came a different way yesterday? Crossing the UK coast near Newcastle before heading south instead of the usual path over Dover (or thereabouts) and up.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...9/history/20150303/1035Z/OMDB/EGCC

compared to other days when it has a more southerly routing, e.g.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...9/history/20150302/1035Z/OMDB/EGCC
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...9/history/20150224/1035Z/OMDB/EGCC
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:44 am

Quoting scottiedog (Reply 43):
Yes, VS do have Manchester based aircraft. The positioning flights normally are when a non-daily service is involved (for example Las Vegas) where the aircraft may come from Gatwick.

That would make sense, but MCO is 11 x weekly, LAS is 2 x weekly and BGI is 1 x weekly, which is 14 x weekly rotations = 2 x aircraft based there permanently surely?

[Edited 2015-03-04 03:52:39]
 
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:10 pm

Quoting oly720man (Reply 44):

Probably to do with winds as the EK17 also came in that way as well as the GLA and NCL flights, though they are quite commonly using that routing
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:19 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 46):

Maybe, but I didn't think the weather was that bad. Could just be trying a different route.
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:32 pm

Quoting oly720man (Reply 47):

The LHR EK's have been going over Denmark way as well I've noticed
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RE: MAN News 54... Chinese Takeaway Time

Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:20 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 48):

Yes I saw 3 and 5 to LHR and 9 to LGW yesterday following that route. The traffic's lighter that way so maybe they can pick their optimum levels better.
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