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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 05, 2015 4:20 pm

Isn't the neo cute parked right beside it???  
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 05, 2015 4:22 pm

Quoting starbucks (Reply 148):
the unfortunate birdstrike

More like fortunate birdstrike...
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 06, 2015 7:44 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 138):
I would be surprised if they have no spare engine available.
Quoting starbucks (Reply 148):
Looks like F-WNEO has a new engine after the unfortunate birdstrike

Spare engine it is!  
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Fri May 08, 2015 1:40 pm

Any news on MSN 6642?

Quoting KarelXWB:
> MSN 6642: A320-251N, CFM, XFW, D-AVVB
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Fri May 08, 2015 7:02 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 143):
It wasn't beneficial to the bird...

  

Quoting airboeingbus (Reply 142):
Of course a bird strike is never an ideal situation, but I wonder if this incident was somewhat beneficial to the testing of the Neo?

Unplanned tests can always be beneficial, besides, better for it to happen first time round during testing.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Fri May 08, 2015 7:10 pm

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 153):
Any news on MSN 6642?

The 4th A320neo should fly some 2-3 months after MSN 6419.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Mon May 18, 2015 10:43 am

The Leap A320neo (MSN 6419) performed a RTO today.


Airbus A320 NEO by Rami Khanna-Prade, on Flickr
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Mon May 18, 2015 10:59 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 156):
The Leap A320neo (MSN 6419) performed a RTO today.

The second neo flew the day after the RTO, don't know about nr.1 though  
Hope to see all three in the air again soon!
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 19, 2015 10:32 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 156):
The Leap A320neo (MSN 6419) performed a RTO today.

=> online as AIB01EW.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 19, 2015 10:34 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 158):
=> online as AIB01EW.

Where??  Wow!
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 19, 2015 10:43 am

Quoting starbucks (Reply 159):
Where??

Here:

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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 19, 2015 11:20 am

MSN 6419 is on the move.

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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 19, 2015 11:24 am

MSN 6419 is airborne:

http://fr24.com/AIB01EW/64ba062



[Edited 2015-05-19 04:27:41]
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 19, 2015 12:36 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 162):
MSN 6419 is airborne:

=>


NEO LEAP 1st Flt by Rami Khanna-Prade, on Flickr
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 19, 2015 1:35 pm

Maybe it's the wrong place to ask, but do you think the A320neo series will be named "neo" forever? I understand the reasoning for the name, "New Engine Option".. makes it seem fresh and a new product. But after the neo is the only A320-series in production, couldn't they change the name to A319-200/300, A320-300, A321-300? That would still leave room for a future stretched A321, as a A322. The A330neo will be named A330-800 and A330-900, right? The 737 MAX will have the -7, -8 and -9 name as well. But for the A320, so far the neo part is the only differentiating thing.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 19, 2015 1:39 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 164):

Maybe it's the wrong place to ask, but do you think the A320neo series will be named "neo" forever? I

Yes I think so, just as the 737NG will still remain the NG even when the MAX is rolling out of the factory.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 19, 2015 1:46 pm

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 165):
Yes I think so, just as the 737NG will still remain the NG even when the MAX is rolling out of the factory.

Yes that's a good point.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 19, 2015 3:16 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 164):

I imagine after the complete transtion from ceo to neo, then all A320 Family aircraft (with the exception of A318) will just be called, A319/A320/A321.

Any of our contacts got the rate for 2015 and delivery target?
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 19, 2015 3:44 pm

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 167):
I imagine after the complete transtion from ceo to neo, then all A320 Family aircraft (with the exception of A318) will just be called, A319/A320/A321.

Any of our contacts got the rate for 2015 and delivery target?

The new engine version will be A320-25z, for the CFM LEAP, and A320-27z for the P&W.

The old engine versions are A320-21z, for the CFM56 and A320-23x for the IAE.
 
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 20, 2015 7:23 am

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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 20, 2015 8:22 am

 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 20, 2015 12:08 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 170):

I can't tell any difference visually besides the decals/stickers.

Are there any?
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 20, 2015 12:18 pm

Quoting 777X (Reply 172):

Besides the engines they're pretty much identical  

The CFM fan diameter is 3 inches smaller than the P&W GTF
//EDIT: And it looks like the GTF has a much "flatter" pylon

[Edited 2015-05-20 05:21:10]
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 20, 2015 12:24 pm

Look at the inlet cowls. They are different on the sides. That's the only difference I've noticed so far
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 20, 2015 1:56 pm

The visual difference between the two engines seem pretty minimal. For the sake of us spotters, I hope that they sound reasonably different from one and other.


Quoting starbucks (Reply 173):
And it looks like the GTF has a much "flatter" pylon

Yeah, the pylon seems to protrude further forward on the Leap.

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 176):
And the GTF has a larger area of light blue inside the engine around the fan. I don't know if that will remain on the final production engines though.

That similar colour can also be seen on EA GP7200s.
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[Edited 2015-05-20 07:06:51]
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 20, 2015 2:01 pm

The LEAP is slightly smaller in diameter, which can be seen on the pylon protruding further forward. The rear "exhaust" side of the engine is also different. And the GTF has a larger area of light blue inside the engine around the fan. I don't know if that will remain on the final production engines though.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 20, 2015 10:01 pm

Airbus is still using the Avianca A321 to conduct tests for A321neo program. The aircraft was spotted with artificial ice on the slats and sharklets today.


Airbus A321 Flight Test Airbus / Avianca D-AVZY by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Thu May 21, 2015 12:48 pm

The Leap powered A320neo is preparing for its second flight.

http://fr24.com/AIB02EW/6505f06
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Fri May 22, 2015 8:26 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 178):
The Leap powered A320neo is preparing for its second flight.

Third flight today:

http://fr24.com/AIB03EW/652524a
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Fri May 22, 2015 8:46 am

Is there a problem with the PW Neos? There have been no flights in May so far, or are they having upgrades carried out?
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Fri May 22, 2015 10:50 am

Quoting overcast (Reply 180):

F-WNEO and D-AVVA only did some Engine Runs and RTO's in May...

Just speculation, but maybe the initial testing is finished and Airbus is now waiting and searching for locations to do the Hot weather, Cold weather and Hot&High testing. Since they're depending on weather conditions for this conditions for this testing migt not have been found?
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Fri May 22, 2015 11:21 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 176):
And the GTF has a larger area of light blue inside the engine around the fan. I don't know if that will remain on the final production engines though.

That is the fan blade attrition lining. It is softish and is designed to wear away when the fan touches it. It is common on V2500 and most RR big fans. It enables a tighter fan clearance, but wears quickly with FOD and needs replacing often.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Fri May 22, 2015 11:32 am

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 182):

Yep, search abradable coating for further info about it!
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Fri May 22, 2015 1:05 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 182):
That is the fan blade attrition lining. It is softish and is designed to wear away when the fan touches it. It is common on V2500 and most RR big fans. It enables a tighter fan clearance, but wears quickly with FOD and needs replacing often.
Quoting Part147 (Reply 183):

Yep, search abradable coating for further info about it!

Thanks guys, learned something new today.  
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 26, 2015 2:33 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 73):
As far as I can see:

> MSN 6720: A320-271N, Indigo
> MSN 6744: A320-271N, Indigo
> MSN 6772: A320-271N, Qatar Airways
> MSN 6799: A320-271N, Indigo
> MSN 6801: A320-271N, Lufthansa
> MSN 6819: A320-271N, Indigo
> MSN 6829: A320-271N, Qatar Airways
> MSN 6833: A320-271N, Spirit Airlines
> MSN 6849: A320-271N, Indigo
> MSN 6860: A320-271N, Indigo
> MSN 6884: A320-271N, Lufthansa
> MSN 6868: A320-271N, Indigo

New allocations:

> MSN 6904: A320-271N, Qatar Airways
> MSN 6907: A320-271N, Spirit Airlines
> MSN 6914: A320-271N, Indigo
> MSN 6920: A320-271N, Lufthansa
> MSN 6946: A320-271N, Qatar Airways
> MSN 6952: A320-271N, Indigo
> MSN 6967: A320-271N, Indigo
> MSN 6975: A320-271N, China Southern
> MSN 7001: A320-271N, IndiGo
> MSN 7011: A320-271N, Spirit Airlines
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 26, 2015 3:38 pm

MSN 6720 should be going to the FAL in 2 months or less. This is the first production MSN I've seen for the neo. I thought Qatar was the first customer??
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 26, 2015 3:48 pm

Where is the production Scheduled to take place? Will both XFW and TLS begin to produc NEO's at the same time?

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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 26, 2015 3:53 pm

IIRC, it will only be at XFW initially. Don't know how long that will last.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 26, 2015 3:59 pm

Quoting pugman211 (Reply 186):
This is the first production MSN I've seen for the neo. I thought Qatar was the first customer??

They may be scheduled to take the first delivery even though the first production frame isn't theirs.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 26, 2015 4:01 pm

Quoting pugman211 (Reply 186):
I thought Qatar was the first customer??

Apparently not   Unless MSN 6772 gets delivered before 6720.
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Tue May 26, 2015 5:53 pm

F-WNEW this afternoon on final approach :

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8864/17506808714_16a81e1439_c.jpg

https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7740/17508826733_0484f5fb91_c.jpg
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 27, 2015 7:42 am

Fifth flight for the Leap powered A320neo:

http://fr24.com/AIB05EW/65cbfdf
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 27, 2015 9:07 am

What's the update on the first A321NEO again? When can we be expected to see the first one? I think I remember reading September, but I'm not sure.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 27, 2015 11:45 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 190):

MSN6720 Wings being delivered to FAL 30th June 2015.
MSN6772 Wings being delivered to FAL 21st July 2015.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 27, 2015 8:01 pm

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 188):
IIRC, it will only be at XFW initially. Don't know how long that will last.


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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Wed May 27, 2015 8:15 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 9):

Sorry to toot my own horn. But May for CFM first flight...

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 14):

Judging by demand, the ramp is past due.

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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Thu May 28, 2015 10:50 am

Airbus would like to push the A320 production rate to 60 per month in 2018, but only if the engine makers can support this rate. As always, the supply chain is the biggest challenge for a further ramp-up.

http://twitter.com/AvWeekFlottau/status/603871300197691392
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Thu May 28, 2015 12:21 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 197):
Airbus would like to push the A320 production rate to 60 per month in 2018,

Both Airbus and Boeing need to be this ambitious considering the size of their order book for the A320 & B737-families.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 197):
As always, the supply chain is the biggest challenge for a further ramp-up.

It is. And that challenge won't be easy since this is a highly complicated process. Hopefully both OEM's can realise their ambitions with the partners since the market demand is there.
 
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RE: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread Part 5

Thu May 28, 2015 12:47 pm

Half of the certification tests for the P&W powered A320neo have been completed (~ 420 flight hours).

Furthermore:

Quote:
A320neo flight test - high & low speed performance, approach/take-off noise, handling, flutter, power-plant development all acheived now.
Quote:
A320neo flight test to come: autopilot certification, handling qualities certification, hot/high weather campaigns, functional & reliability

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