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Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:51 pm

G'day and welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 115. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

- LAN to operate final A340 service to Sydney on 17 April 2014 (787 takes over after this date)
- Discussion on how LAN could expand its Australian services
- Perth Airport Master Plan approved
- Qantas Australia Day A380 fly-over cancelled due weather
- Matt O'Sullivan's book Mayday: How warring egos forced Qantas off course
- Qantas operates 747s on some Shanghai services
- Virgin Australia and Qantas leadership
- XiamenAir (IATA code "MF") expected to commence flights from Xiamen to Sydney by the end of 2015
- Virgin Australia tops on-time stats for December 2014
- Perth Airport construction
- Japan Airlines (JAL) services to Sydney
- Future of Thai Airways Brisbane flights
- Qantas poised to record $1 billion profit: UBS
- VH-OJA confirmed to be heading to Albion Park Airport for its final resting place
- QF with Samsung launches new trial entertainment service that uses Samsung virtual reality (VR) tech
- Qantas inflight entertainment and product
- Cobham's first E190
- Jetstar cabin crew rosters
- Virgin Australia to relinquish NZ air operator’s certificate
- Jetgo to suspend Sydney - Gladstone services from 9 February due poor patronage
- Australia and China agree to lift bilateral air capacity significantly
- Qantas to operate 33 return services between Sydney & Vancouver (Jun-July & Dec 15-Jan 16)
- Qantas to seasonally increase Honolulu and make minor changes to schedules for existing flights
- Perth - Auckland and North America market
- Experiences with UA99 from Melbourne to LA
- FlyPelican on track to begin Sydney-Mudgee flights from April with J32s thanks to Council subsidies
- VAH report profit for Q2 2015 FY, decrease in CASK and realised savings from lower fuel prices
- Dispute between QF and its cabin crew over the wearing of gloves
- Fog at LAX has forced both QF and VA to divert flights from LAX to ONT

Australian Aviation Thread Part 114
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:04 pm

Darwin-based Airnorth is certainly not discussed on Airliners.net too often, however the airline made an interesting announcement on Friday:

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Friday 06 February 2015
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:08 pm

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 194):

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I think disciplinary action is a bit over the top however I find that QF argument is valid. I have my own cleaning business and from experience using gloves can be quite ineffective. In fact I rarely use them. When using gloves you have to wash your hands before you put them on, once you have them on do the task you are doing and then once finished take them off and wash you hands again. Gloves can only be used for 1 task only. For example: a flight attendant is collecting rubbish
they are asked by one passenger for a drink of water. They have to go back to the galley wash their hands, get the drink and take to the passenger, go back to galley wash hands again (to remove any germs while giving passenger drink I.e.hand contact) then put new set of gloves on. Gloves also provide an ideal environment for bacterial growth, moisture and warmth. Regular hand washing along with the use of hand sanitizer is the most effective way of having clean hands. As a result I think Qantas is trying its best to make sure its flight crew don't pass on germs to the passengers.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:09 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
Darwin-based Airnorth is certainly not discussed on Airliners.net too often, however the airline made an interesting announcement on Friday:

I wonder what the story is with MNL on that route map - I know it says it's a charter route, but I'm mildly surprised that the E170 has the legs for it.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:48 am

Jetstar
Jetstar will commence 787 operations on Brisbane and Melbourne to Honolulu from the end of October 2015, replacing the 303-seat A330-200s. The 787s feature 335 seats, so this equates to an extra 32 seats per flight.

China Southern Airlines
The airline will begin flying 787-8s on its Guangzhou-Perth route from 31 March 2015 according to Airlineroute. The 787 will replace the A330-200s that currently operate the flights.

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Townsville Bulletin

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INTERNATIONAL flights between Bali and Townsville have been given the green light by the Federal Government.

Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss will travel to Townsville today to announce that Townsville Airport will be able to operate international flights from March 1.

Herbert MP Ewen Jones has been lobbying colleagues in Canberra to cover the cost of providing the services and a breakthrough was achieved this week.

Townsville Airport has been in discussions with AirAsia and Jetstar to commence direct flights bu the high cost of providing customs, quarantine and border protection services had been a sticking point.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott said increased visitor numbers would boost North Queensland’s tourism industry and unlock the region’s full potential.

“I hope that these plans can now be finalised and flights can commence in the near future,” Mr Abbott said.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Sun Feb 08, 2015 11:29 am

Quoting QF789 (Reply 2):
When using gloves you have to wash your hands before you put them on, once you have them on do the task you are doing and then once finished take them off and wash you hands again. Gloves can only be used for 1 task only. For example: a flight attendant is collecting rubbish

Whilst it is correct to wash hands prior to serving food etc, I don't see why you would have to wash your hands before putting gloves on?
Also your point about gloves being a home for bacteria is true in some cases but not in the case of disposable gloves being used for rubbish collection as this is only for a short duration.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:15 pm

My son (aged 42) and I are going to Avalon airshow Sat Feb 28. If any of you are attending and would like a quick catch up over lunch on that day please PM me and we can arrange something. (I couldn't justify in my own mind the cost of Gold admission, so we have gone for the General Admission option). Cheers
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:40 am

Just had an email today that Qantas are launching a Virgin style bid-to-upgrade your flight option which can combine points and cash where the others are usually just one or the other.

I think its a pretty good idea - also good is that traditional upgrade requests take priority. The only losers are the on departure upgrades (which is often me!) who now slip back in the queue behind the paying upgrades which, while it is to my disadvantage, I also understand the decision - money talks.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:53 am

Noticed today JQ is operating a Perth-Solomon flight. I remember reading a couple of months ago that JQ would be launching some FIFO flights - nice to see that the plans have materialised.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:08 pm

Strange result from QF's timetable search -- the booking engine is still only showing 4 days per week:

 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:15 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):

Because this, apparently, is a thing that's happened... http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/10/qf-bnenrt-aug15/ (BNE-NRT will be daily, not four times weekly)

As is this... http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/10/qf-persin-jun15/ (Daily 737-800 PER-SIN-PER, as widely expected by a.net).

And also this... http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...nd-jetstar-boost-queensland-flying (QF to take over MEL-HTI from JQ with twice-weekly 737s, JQ to commence MEL-PPP three times a week, and also covers the daily BNE-NRT).

So there ya go! QF has had a big day   I guess this rules MEL, PER etc out of picking up a NRT service, too, though.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:16 am

QF proposes PER-SIN daily from June 13 2015 onboard Boeing 737-800

QF71 PER1200 - 1720SIN 73H D

QF72 SIN1825 - 2340PER 73H D

Reservations for the flight are not available at the moment.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 10):
As is this... http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/10/qf-persin-jun15/ (Daily 737-800 PER-SIN-PER, as widely expected by a.net).

Finally!

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 10):
Because this, apparently, is a thing that's happened... http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/10/qf-bnenrt-aug15/ (BNE-NRT will be daily, not four times weekly)

I suspected that would happen when they had no other city for the 3 per week at the time.

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 10):
So there ya go! QF has had a big day I guess this rules MEL, PER etc out of picking up a NRT service, too, though.

It looks like it's going to be a big year for QF. Here's hoping in any case!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 10):
As is this... http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/10/qf-persin-jun15/ (Daily 737-800 PER-SIN-PER, as widely expected by a.net).

Hmm I wonder how competitive QF can really be (pricing/product) on this route given that SQ operate a 4x daily service with A333/77E's. It'll be a 5.30hr flight on a narrowbody which is not much fun.

The timing of the flight is a 12pm departure ex PER which sits between SQ's 6.40am and 2.30pm departures, which is one of the only positives I can see for this.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:41 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 10):
As is this... http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/10/qf-persin-jun15/ (Daily 737-800 PER-SIN-PER, as widely expected by a.net).

Great news! JQFlightie, you can come out now!
 
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:58 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 13):
The timing of the flight is a 12pm departure ex PER which sits between SQ's 6.40am and 2.30pm departures, which is one of the only positives I can see for this.

I'm wondering if there's more to come on this. A 2340hrs arrival into PER provides for exactly 0 connections, and there's no press release in the Qantas Newsroom, which makes me think there could be at least one more frequency to come.
 
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:59 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 13):
The timing of the flight is a 12pm departure ex PER which sits between SQ's 6.40am and 2.30pm departures, which is one of the only positives I can see for this.

It's about the same timings as the previous QF 77. And for QF Group they will now have 3 dailies to SIN with 3K departures at midnight and 8am ish and then a QF narrowbody at midday. Seems to make sense to me.

There are now plenty of international departures on narrowbodies out of PER to both SIN and DPS so I'd say people are used to it. And it's not an overnight flight so people shouldn't be fighting that much for space.
 
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:28 am

Quoting atal17 (Reply 11):

Great! Hopefully will get some oneworld codeshares on it, to connect on BA/AY services in SIN.

It is a narrowbody, but QF still has lots of transcon 738 services at the weekends, and better than JQ!
 
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:39 am

I wonder if it will be the same crew taking the 73H up as bringing it back. It would be quite a long duty time of over 12 hours ...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:47 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 10):
Because this, apparently, is a thing that's happened... http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/10/qf-bnenrt-aug15/ (BNE-NRT will be daily, not four times weekly)

I wonder why QF announced it this way, starting BNE-NRT at 4x weekly then upping to daily before it starts. I guess they were analysing whether BNE could support daily flights? Or maybe their other option (MEL?) didn't work out?

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 10):
And also this... http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...nd-jetstar-boost-queensland-flying (QF to take over MEL-HTI from JQ with twice-weekly 737s, JQ to commence MEL-PPP three times a week, and also covers the daily BNE-NRT).

It makes sense for QF to refocus on HTI in place of JQ - the Whitsundays are not a cheap place and the customers the new luxury Hayman Island resort are attracting probably won't fly JQ. But JQ was 4x weekly MEL-HTI, QF will only operate 2x weekly weekend service. I guess the extra capacity will be picked up by MEL-PPP.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 13):
Hmm I wonder how competitive QF can really be (pricing/product) on this route given that SQ operate a 4x daily service with A333/77E's. It'll be a 5.30hr flight on a narrowbody which is not much fun.

SQ is also carrying a lot of transfer traffic, so their total journey time will be much longer than those ending at SIN. IF your journey time is quite long then you probably expect more comfort. With QF not carrying many pax further than SIN, those pax may be happy with a 738 for a daytime flight.

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 17):
Great! Hopefully will get some oneworld codeshares on it, to connect on BA/AY services in SIN.

The timings don't work to meet BA's LHR flights so BA will probably stick with the CX codeshare for PER. The times work better for the AY HEL flight but it's a tight 1 hour connection HEL-SIN-PER. JL might codeshare for their HND flight?
 
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:56 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 19):
The timings don't work to meet BA's LHR flights so BA will probably stick with the CX codeshare for PER. The times work better for the AY HEL flight but it's a tight 1 hour connection HEL-SIN-PER. JL might codeshare for their HND flight?

They do...BA 12 Ex SIN 22:245 (bit of a long layover). and Ex LHR BA11 arrives into SIN at 16:00. I reckon would provide better connections than via HKG and with less flight time.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:21 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 19):
I wonder why QF announced it this way, starting BNE-NRT at 4x weekly then upping to daily before it starts. I guess they were analysing whether BNE could support daily flights? Or maybe their other option (MEL?) didn't work out?

Strange that they had to draw things out like that. It seems that they couldn't get anyone else to pay up (MEL/PER) for the additional services, as they were stating that discussions were taking place with other airports.

Really can't see both BNE (QF) and OOL (JQ) services working out that well though, as this is a substantial capacity increase, especially with the latter now operating with a 788. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I can still see JL commencing MEL services their 2nd Australian destination, but I wouldn't discount PER, although with a slowing WA economy this may be cooling off. MEL operating with JQ to NRT and JL to HND could be a good mix.

The other airline that may well be in the mix is NH, who are said to be looking at re-commencing SYD flights, but could MEL end up getting those flights? Unlikely, but always still a possibility.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 19):
It makes sense for QF to refocus on HTI in place of JQ - the Whitsundays are not a cheap place and the customers the new luxury Hayman Island resort are attracting probably won't fly JQ. But JQ was 4x weekly MEL-HTI, QF will only operate 2x weekly weekend service. I guess the extra capacity will be picked up by MEL-PPP.

Some interesting route/airline changes there.

Likely makes more sense though.

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Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:26 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 19):
Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 13):Hmm I wonder how competitive QF can really be (pricing/product) on this route given that SQ operate a 4x daily service with A333/77E's. It'll be a 5.30hr flight on a narrowbody which is not much fun.
SQ is also carrying a lot of transfer traffic, so their total journey time will be much longer than those ending at SIN. IF your journey time is quite long then you probably expect more comfort. With QF not carrying many pax further than SIN, those pax may be happy with a 738 for a daytime flight.

It wont be that much more than doing a narrowbody to MEL/SYD/BNE, so I don't see an issue either.
 
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:37 am

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 20):
They do...BA 12 Ex SIN 22:245 (bit of a long layover). and Ex LHR BA11 arrives into SIN at 16:00. I reckon would provide better connections than via HKG and with less flight time.

Oops! I was checking the connection times to BA15/16 not BA11/12.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 21):
Strange that they had to draw things out like that. It seems that they couldn't get anyone else to pay up (MEL/PER) for the additional services, as they were stating that discussions were taking place with other airports.

Qantas are saying "We’ve worked closely with Brisbane Airport to increase our upcoming Tokyo route to a daily service, as well as Tourism and Events Queensland and the Queensland Government. This is a big positive for local tourism because it makes Queensland even more accessible to Japanese travellers.".
It kind of says that BNE & Qld government have supported the increase to daily. So maybe they upped the incentive/subsidy?

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 21):
Really can't see both BNE (QF) and OOL (JQ) services working out that well though, as this is a substantial capacity increase, especially with the latter now operating with a 788. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

JQ & QF co-exist on MEL-SIN and SYD-HNL so there are some cases where they can both remain in the market. I can see OOL-NRT reducing from daily to maybe 4x or 5x weekly. It's possible that BNE-NRT will also pick up connections that used to route over SYD-NRT and SYD-HND will end up more SYD O&D focused.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 21):
The other airline that may well be in the mix is NH, who are said to be looking at re-commencing SYD flights, but could MEL end up getting those flights? Unlikely, but always still a possibility.

I think the NH re-entry to Australia was a bit of a red herring. Much of NH's expansion in Asia is subject to the JV with UA. Any flying to Australia would not benefit from the UA feed.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 21):
Some interesting route/airline changes there.

Likely makes more sense though.

I'm wondering how long until QF restarts MEL-OOL? JQ has a much smaller presence on that route compared to SYD-OOL, but VA has both MEL/SYD-OOL at a similar level. Room for QF?
 
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:45 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 16):
There are now plenty of international departures on narrowbodies out of PER to both SIN and DPS so I'd say people are used to it. And it's not an overnight flight so people shouldn't be fighting that much for space.
Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 19):
With QF not carrying many pax further than SIN, those pax may be happy with a 738 for a daytime flight.
Quoting Qf2220 (Reply 22):
It wont be that much more than doing a narrowbody to MEL/SYD/BNE, so I don't see an issue either.

Sure people are used to it, but it will be difficult to compete vs the SQ offering. I guess the big question is how sharp will QF be on pricing on the route?

They'd have to put a PTV configured 738 onto the route right though? A domestically configured non-PTV 738 surely isn't going to cut it?
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:58 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 23):
Qantas are saying "We’ve worked closely with Brisbane Airport to increase our upcoming Tokyo route to a daily service, as well as Tourism and Events Queensland and the Queensland Government. This is a big positive for local tourism because it makes Queensland even more accessible to Japanese travellers.".
It kind of says that BNE & Qld government have supported the increase to daily. So maybe they upped the incentive/subsidy?

They would say this no matter what though. It would seem like QF had other plans originally (likely MEL) but something hasn't worked out OR they were waiting to see what bookings would look like for the new SYD-HND and BNE-NRT and see that it warrant daily...

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 23):
I'm wondering how long until QF restarts MEL-OOL? JQ has a much smaller presence on that route compared to SYD-OOL, but VA has both MEL/SYD-OOL at a similar level. Room for QF?

JQ still has quite a significant presence on OOL-MEL, though their timetable fluctuates wildly (in Nov/Dec they had 3 flights leaving 8:40pm, 9pm and 9:20pm or their about). Would be great to see QF back on the route. Any idea how they are doing on OOL-SYD?
 
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Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:39 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 24):
Sure people are used to it, but it will be difficult to compete vs the SQ offering. I guess the big question is how sharp will QF be on pricing on the route?

They'd have to put a PTV configured 738 onto the route right though? A domestically configured non-PTV 738 surely isn't going to cut it?

There are plenty of PTV configured, Boeing Sky Interior 738's transiting through PER which QF could deploy. On a day flight leaving at midday a narrowbody is fine. On pricing I'd say they will come in cheaper than SQ although with not many seats to fill I wouldn't be surprised if they were almost the same.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 25):
They would say this no matter what though. It would seem like QF had other plans originally (likely MEL) but something hasn't worked out OR they were waiting to see what bookings would look like for the new SYD-HND and BNE-NRT and see that it warrant daily...

That and if they started MEL-NRT what on earth would JQ do with that spare capacity? They've got no-where to deploy it.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 25):
JQ still has quite a significant presence on OOL-MEL, though their timetable fluctuates wildly (in Nov/Dec they had 3 flights leaving 8:40pm, 9pm and 9:20pm or their about). Would be great to see QF back on the route. Any idea how they are doing on OOL-SYD?

MEL-OOL also sees a few A321 services as well. Sooner or later QF has to jump back onto it. I know load factors aren't indicative of profits or yields but I'm yet to fly on a QF service out of OOL to SYD that isn't jam packed or close to it.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:41 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 23):
Qantas are saying "We’ve worked closely with Brisbane Airport to increase our upcoming Tokyo route to a daily service, as well as Tourism and Events Queensland and the Queensland Government. This is a big positive for local tourism because it makes Queensland even more accessible to Japanese travellers.".
It kind of says that BNE & Qld government have supported the increase to daily. So maybe they upped the incentive/subsidy?
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 25):
They would say this no matter what though. It would seem like QF had other plans originally (likely MEL) but something hasn't worked out OR they were waiting to see what bookings would look like for the new SYD-HND and BNE-NRT and see that it warrant daily...

It does appear that BNE airport/ Qld govt had upped its offer, or that the MEL airport / Vic govt were not willing to accept to offer put to them.

There is apparently some talk that MEL / Vic govt have something else in motion, which only realistically means JL may well be on the agenda. One would hope that deal is signed and its not just hopeful of securing flights though.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 23):
JQ & QF co-exist on MEL-SIN and SYD-HNL so there are some cases where they can both remain in the market. I can see OOL-NRT reducing from daily to maybe 4x or 5x weekly. It's possible that BNE-NRT will also pick up connections that used to route over SYD-NRT and SYD-HND will end up more SYD O&D focused.

The markets can co-exist if the capacity mix/levels are structured well, but to start daily QF flights from BNE is a big commitment.

I can only really see JQ being the loser from this out of OOL, given that yield potential would likely be higher out of BNE out of the 2 markets/airports.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 23):
I think the NH re-entry to Australia was a bit of a red herring. Much of NH's expansion in Asia is subject to the JV with UA. Any flying to Australia would not benefit from the UA feed.

It certainly was left field, especially with QF, JQ and JL already being quite aggressive in expanding Australia-Japan flights.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 23):
I'm wondering how long until QF restarts MEL-OOL? JQ has a much smaller presence on that route compared to SYD-OOL, but VA has both MEL/SYD-OOL at a similar level. Room for QF?

I can see a place for MEL-OOL on QF, and QF had said they may look at it if the SYD flights did well

It could be that QF hasn't performed as well as hoped on the SYD flights, but it may also just be waiting until a later point to make changes. It has been re-working its destination and brand mix lately, so it could well be another step in that direction.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:42 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 24):

It's probably the die hard QF flyers and those companies with QF corporate contracts that will use it. SQ and everyone else for that matter are probably not competitors anyway.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:28 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 24):
Sure people are used to it, but it will be difficult to compete vs the SQ offering. I guess the big question is how sharp will QF be on pricing on the route?

QF could reasonably undercut SQ J fares (they probably couldn't get the same fares if they tried) given it is a domestic J seat. As for Y they will need to price themselves between TZ/3K and SQ. Whether that is profitable only time will tell.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 25):
JQ still has quite a significant presence on OOL-MEL

True, but it's nothing like the SYD-OOL schedule. Admittedly I picked a random date but there were 9x daily ex-SYD and 5x daily ex-MEL.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 26):
I know load factors aren't indicative of profits or yields but I'm yet to fly on a QF service out of OOL to SYD that isn't jam packed or close to it.

I have found the same, but my JQ flights SYD-OOL were almost just as full. It's probably telling that SYD-OOL is priced consistently lower than BNE-OOL for a similar length flight. I know OOL charges are lower, but it must be lower yielding too.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 27):
There is apparently some talk that MEL / Vic govt have something else in motion, which only realistically means JL may well be on the agenda. One would hope that deal is signed and its not just hopeful of securing flights though.

It wouldn't surprise me if MEL/Vic were holding out for a daily flight and didn't want to spend their incentives on a 3x weekly service.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 27):
I can only really see JQ being the loser from this out of OOL, given that yield potential would likely be higher out of BNE out of the 2 markets/airports.

OOL however has done very well positioning itself as the low-cost airport in SE Qld. I can see OOL throwing money at JQ to keep their link to Japan.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:39 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 29):
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 27):
There is apparently some talk that MEL / Vic govt have something else in motion, which only realistically means JL may well be on the agenda. One would hope that deal is signed and its not just hopeful of securing flights though.

It wouldn't surprise me if MEL/Vic were holding out for a daily flight and didn't want to spend their incentives on a 3x weekly service.

This wouldn't surprise me either. I think it's the most likely explanation re MEL, and I'd guess the alternative is QF was using its original announcement to leverage something from Brisbane Airport / Qld Govt / Tourism Qld.

If, indeed, MEL / Victoria had something else in motion, I'd tip NH over JL. If it were JL, QF would know about it and no doubt be working with JL.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:42 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 30):
This wouldn't surprise me either. I think it's the most likely explanation re MEL, and I'd guess the alternative is QF was using its original announcement to leverage something from Brisbane Airport / Qld Govt / Tourism Qld.

If, indeed, MEL / Victoria had something else in motion, I'd tip NH over JL. If it were JL, QF would know about it and no doubt be working with JL.

Also, given JL and QF work together, they would be adding 14x weekly frequencies to TYO if JL were to start MEL-NRT/HND. Quite a lot of extra capacity.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:09 am

Quoting Qf2220 (Reply 14):

Haha can I say I told you so? 

I'm just a little confused though, I had a message saying that the other 3 x weekly NRT would be released today, but did they just put it on the already exsisting BNE-NRT to make it daily?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:28 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 32):
I'm just a little confused though, I had a message saying that the other 3 x weekly NRT would be released today, but did they just put it on the already exsisting BNE-NRT to make it daily?

Yep, looks like it  

I really can't see JQ remaining 6-7x weekly on OOL-NRT and QF running daily BNE-NRT, thats doubling the capacity overnight. While BNE-NRT will certainly see connecting passengers from all over the east coast, OOL-NRT already sees this with connections from SYD/MEL/ADL/AKL/CHC all timed to connect through to NRT. Not to mention CNS is also popular for connecting passengers to Japan.

Also, don't think this has already been discussed, but the Chinese flights into OOL are about to kick off again and CX has ramped it up to 5x services this year and CZ the one. As I said last year, I don't understand why they don't operate these flights into BNE where they already have operations set up but evidently there are good reasons. The actual flight details are floating around the web somewhere (can no longer locate it of course) for those interested in going down to see them flying low over Currumbin Hill!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:28 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 32):
I'm just a little confused though, I had a message saying that the other 3 x weekly NRT would be released today, but did they just put it on the already exsisting BNE-NRT to make it daily?

Yep. Very disappointing IMO. Living in Perth I was really hoping PER-NRT was true.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:33 am

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 34):

I was looking forward to this too!

But I guess SIN. Is still pretty good  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:50 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 32):
Quoting Qf2220 (Reply 14):
Haha can I say I told you so?

Well technically you didn't tell us anything...... Anything concrete anyway! But all good, I don't want you to lose your job and therefore the ability to give us the little bits that you do give! Keep it up!

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 34):
Quoting JQflightie (Reply 32):I'm just a little confused though, I had a message saying that the other 3 x weekly NRT would be released today, but did they just put it on the already exsisting BNE-NRT to make it daily?
Yep. Very disappointing IMO. Living in Perth I was really hoping PER-NRT was true.

Yeah, I was kind of hoping for this too.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:17 am

Going, going, gone.

Qantas PER-SIN speculation killed again.

QANTAS during mid-day Wednesday local time (11FEB15) has removed proposed schedule for Perth – Singapore service, which would see the oneWorld member operating Boeing 737-800 aircraft on daily basis, from 13JUN15. QF last operated this route in July 2014 with A330-200/-300 aircraft.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/10/qf-persin-jun15/
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:30 am

Quoting BNE (Reply 37):
Going, going, gone.

Qantas PER-SIN speculation killed again.

QANTAS during mid-day Wednesday local time (11FEB15) has removed proposed schedule for Perth – Singapore service, which would see the oneWorld member operating Boeing 737-800 aircraft on daily basis, from 13JUN15. QF last operated this route in July 2014 with A330-200/-300 aircraft.

I wouldn't give up hope. An airline would thoroughly plan all facets of a new route before flying it (or even announcing it).
They have may have put the flight numbers and times in the booking system as a test. When that was discovered they quickly removed the proposed schedule, possibly in order to reduce speculation before an official announcement is made.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:13 pm

Quoting Qf2220 (Reply 36):

Thankyou finally someone who understands  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:00 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 21):
can still see JL commencing MEL services their 2nd Australian destination, but I wouldn't discount PER, although with a slowing WA economy this may be cooling off. MEL operating with JQ to NRT and JL to HND could be a good mix.

The other airline that may well be in the mix is NH, who are said to be looking at re-commencing SYD flights, but could MEL end up getting those flights? Unlikely, but always still a possibility.

Would love to see both JL and ANA at MEL, but I cant see that happening. Japan Airlines have had rights for years to fly down to here but have never taken them up, I think its the same with ANA, when they were flying to Sydney, they to had rights to fly down to here and I think from memory there was some talk of them doing a service to here, but never took them up. I think BNE will get JL back and that will be their 2nd Australian city.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:04 pm

Quoting sierrakilo44 (Reply 38):
I wouldn't give up hope. An airline would thoroughly plan all facets of a new route before flying it (or even announcing it).
They have may have put the flight numbers and times in the booking system as a test. When that was discovered they quickly removed the proposed schedule, possibly in order to reduce speculation before an official announcement is made.

As an interesting aside, it looks like JQ has taken over one of the PER-SIN services from 3K.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/11/jq-persin-feb15/

That would mean there is some space capacity at 3K unless there is a maintenance requirement for this swap? Wonder what 3K will do with the capacity?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:37 am

Qantas announced to the sharemarket today that S & P have revised their credit rating to BB+ Stable which if i'm not mistaken lifts them (barely) back into investment grade.

The good news keeps rolling out of QF these days... It would seem that this is fairly good timing with rumours abound of an incoming 787 order - it should make financing them a bit more comfortable for them.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:47 am

Quoting Enobar (Reply 42):
Qantas announced to the sharemarket today that S & P have revised their credit rating to BB+ Stable which if i'm not mistaken lifts them (barely) back into investment grade.

I thought BB+ was still one grade off, that it needs to get to BBB- to be considered investment grade:

http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/definitions-and-faqs/en/us

"‘BBB-‘—Considered lowest investment grade by market participants.
BB+’—Considered highest speculative grade by market participants."


I could be wrong.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:40 am

Quoting Qf2220 (Reply 36):
But all good, I don't want you to lose your job and therefore the ability to give us the little bits that you do give! Keep it up!

Well said! I personally know a number of people within Qantas, one of whom is a former partner of mine, and I concur with you Qf2000 - we don't want people on here willingly throwing away their jobs. My former partner, who I'm still good friends with, knows people within QF's head office in Mascot, one of whom had a meeting with the head honcho a few weeks ago and I was told about this meeting and what was discussed. I'm not prepared to go into much detail as I promised my former partner that I wouldn't put his job at risk by divulging this info, but I'll say this much - what was discussed in this meeting came as quite a shock to myself, and will to most of the people on here. Two of the topics discussed were the financial performance and the future international fleet and wasn't what I was personally expecting. I'm not prepared to say much more to protect his job and not have this information leaked before it is formally announced, but the financial performance is generally quite positive.

A rumour is a rumour until proven true or false - the true result of the annual financial performance and the rumoured 787-9 order I'm leaving to the QF management no matter if I agree or disagree with their decisions.

JQflightie - thanks for not screwing with your job and only telling us what you can.



Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 33):
I really can't see JQ remaining 6-7x weekly on OOL-NRT and QF running daily BNE-NRT, thats doubling the capacity overnight.

It could be argued that QF and JQ are targeting and serving different markets - JQ serving the LCC, leisure, low yield and budget conscious traveller who want's more of a tourist experience vs QF serving the full service market with a proper business class and higher yielding fares all round into a market with more business potential. BNE vs OOL, A333 vs 788, LCC vs legacy, etc, QF and JQ both must have done their sums and collaborated and subsequently decided that both routes can coexist in the short to medium term, but I'm also doubting whether one will stay in the longer term and my dollars would be on JQ to leave the route, leaving TZ and D7 as the only carriers with longer flights ex OOL. Unless JQ in their infinite wisdom decide to reinstate KIX, but once again I doubt that will happen. Or, even more wishful thinking would be to see JQ attempt some new longer haul routes out of OOL, to say HKG, CAN and FUK to name a few.

Agreed that it is essentially doubling capacity to SE Qld as you can get on a train from BNE airport and be on the Gold Coast within 2 hours. QF's A333's 297 seats vs JQ's 787's with 335 seats.

Quoting Enobar (Reply 42):
The good news keeps rolling out of QF these days... It would seem that this is fairly good timing with rumours abound of an incoming 787 order - it should make financing them a bit more comfortable for them.

A rumour is just that - a rumour, until it is proven true or false. As I mentioned above, there have been things discussed within QF from high up that I'm not prepared to mention, but forthcoming announcements about the financial performance and aircraft orders should not come as a shock.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:31 am

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 44):
QF and JQ both must have done their sums and collaborated and subsequently decided that both routes can coexist in the short to medium term, but I'm also doubting whether one will stay in the longer term and my dollars would be on JQ to leave the route, leaving TZ and D7 as the only carriers with longer flights ex OOL. Unless JQ in their infinite wisdom decide to reinstate KIX, but once again I doubt that will happen. Or, even more wishful thinking would be to see JQ attempt some new longer haul routes out of OOL, to say HKG, CAN and FUK to name a few.

One advantage of OOL over other major airports in Australia is that, being a small airport, connections are very easy. With OOL served by a number of destinations across Australia this enables JQ to easily serve Japan from multiple Australian cities.

Something a little different: Interesting article on Qantas memorabilia
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:49 am

Qantas to tighten dress rules for lounges - smart casual.

Oh dear, wondering if I should have renewed my Qantas Club membership now. Guess I won't unzip my convertible travel pants now, but I can't imagine a certain new board member going without his t-shirts!  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:07 am

Quoting Enobar (Reply 42):
I thought BB+ was still one grade off, that it needs to get to BBB- to be considered investment grade:

http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/definitions-and-faqs/en/us

"‘BBB-‘—Considered lowest investment grade by market participants.
BB+’—Considered highest speculative grade by market participants."

I could be wrong.

Ah you could be right. Ah well... its a least still a step in the right direction for them, even if not a huge one.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:19 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 45):
being a small airport, connections are easy.

I've only had two visits to OOL - back in November 2013 to fly on JQ's then new 787 (VKA) on a domestic run to MEL but back s few days later on VA. Flew in the respective premium classes on both flights. As these were my first flights in and out of OOL, what really struck me was the compactness of the terminal compared with other airports I've been through, with the compactness only being beaten by HTI, MKY, CNS, GLT, ROK, PMR and POM. Out of those, like OOL only ROK and PMR have international capabilities within the same terminal as the domestic flights but are rarely utilised, with CNS and POM having separate terminals.

The compactness of the terminal building at OOL has me thinking - a few years ago SYD came up with a concept of terminals for QF and VA that combined their domestic and international fligts. Could this be easily implemented at say BNE, SYD and MEL by having a separat area and gates for international and domestic flights? Don't shoot me for the concept as I know full well it would require shedloads of money, years of constuction and resconstruction and inconvenience, but in reality, is it a feasible idea in the long term? Partner airlines of QF and VA could use the same international gates and lounges - JQ, QF and EK for seemless domestic-international transfers, and VA with SQ, NZ, EY and DL, and have a separate intetnational terminal at all the majors for the other international airlines?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 115

Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:42 am

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 48):
The compactness of the terminal building at OOL has me thinking - a few years ago SYD came up with a concept of terminals for QF and VA that combined their domestic and international fligts. Could this be easily implemented at say BNE, SYD and MEL by having a separat area and gates for international and domestic flights? Don't shoot me for the concept as I know full well it would require shedloads of money, years of constuction and resconstruction and inconvenience, but in reality, is it a feasible idea in the long term? Partner airlines of QF and VA could use the same international gates and lounges - JQ, QF and EK for seemless domestic-international transfers, and VA with SQ, NZ, EY and DL, and have a separate intetnational terminal at all the majors for the other international airlines?

Certainly possible, but in the case of SYD, VA have refused the idea if it means they get relocated to the International terminal which is further away from the CBD. For MEL, its probably a less of a priority given that the domestic/international are all under the same building. For BNE, you would allocate QF and VA either the international and domestic terminals. The issue would then be addressing the discrepancy in the number of gates in the domestic terminal vs international terminal given the BNE domestic terminal has a far greater number of gates.

In the case of customs/immigration, you would need to ensure that would be no unnecessary duplication/inefficiencies by having 2 separate international terminals.
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