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Quoting MVAair (Thread starter): 4. Southwest has no other example of competing successfully with as strong a carrier as Delta in its home market. The example of Denver doesn’t really hold in that United in Denver has never had the dominance that Delta does in Atlanta. |
Quoting MVAair (Thread starter): According to DOT data on a 4 quarter rolling basis between 4Q 2010 and 3Q 2014 |
Quoting Sightseer (Reply 3): Just out of curiosity, what are the percentages for equivalent quarters (3Q10 and 3Q14, for example)? And is all this information available online? |
Quoting MVAair (Thread starter): According to T100 Annual Data, FL peaked in daily departures in 2007, with 239 daily departures. The monthly peak occurred in July 2007, at 259 daily departures. By 2010, FL was down to 195 daily departures with a July 2010 peak of 209. So well before WN’s acquisition, Air Tran had shrunk by approximately 20%. |
Quoting MVAair (Thread starter): In 1999, ATL accounted for 95% of all AirTran systemwide departures. By 2010, ATL accounted for 54% of systmewide departures. So it is clear, that AirTran was having trouble with new opportunities in ATL and was finding better opportunities outside ATL. |
Quoting MVAair (Thread starter): In 2008, Air Tran lost $274m. In 2010 Air Tran made $38.5m. So it should come as no surprise that FL management jumped at the chance to sell FL, which was trading at $10 per share, for $16 per share. This was at a time when Delta was emerging as a stronger competitor, having just closed a merger with Northwest Airlines, resulting in Delta becoming the largest carrier in the world. Surely AirTran management saw that consolidation was going to happen and AirTran’s future was questionable. |
Quoting MVAair (Thread starter): Air Tran’s mix of Atlanta traffic was approximately 30% local and 70% connect. |
Quoting airplaneboy (Reply 5): 4- Southwest has redesigned the ATL hub to focus primarily on higher yielding business traffic and is achieving a yield premium- even though there are fewer flights. |
Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 7): |
Quoting MVAair (Thread starter): 2. Southwest is now directly competing with Delta for upper income higher fare passengers. Air Tran with its weak FFP, limited network and more circuitous passenger itineraries was not competing with Delta as directly for those passengers. |
Quoting MVAair (Thread starter): . I was surprised to see RIC and RDU performing quite well. ORF and SDF were cut but performing well. |
Quoting MVAair (Thread starter): No other LCC carrier has since introduce a business class product (except B6 on transcon markets from JFK). |
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 10): WN is(trying to) competing for HVCs by cutting flights and destinations? |
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 10): I don't believe for a second WN or any other airline are cutting profitable routes unless they are profitable by a small margin. If ORF or SDF were performing well they would still be here. |
Quoting LPDAL (Reply 11): This is false, Sun Country is a LCC and has first class. They have a fleet of 21 737 frames and are hubbed in MSP. ICAO Code SCX, IATA SY. |
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 10): WN is(trying to) competing for HVCs by cutting flights and destinations? |
Quoting MVAair (Reply 12): You obviously dont understand the business plan that WN is following. If a market doesnt have sufficient local traffic, it is cut yes. Cutting FNT, BMI MEM and CLT doesnt hurt WN's local market position in ATL becasue there is NO LOCAL TRAFFIC or at least not enough. ATL-MEM on FL was less than 30% local. That surprised me, but it is true. |
Quoting MVAair (Reply 12): Believe it. What if they needed planes for DCA and DAL expansion? What if DAL-MDW is projected to make a 10% profit margin and ATL-ORF makes a 1% margin? |