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San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:24 pm

This morning it was announced that the baseball Giants are acquiring a 757 and having it outfitted with 90 First Class seats. They also said this is because they found the Delta and United charter service too uncomfortable. Does anyone know the aircraft or the source?
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:13 pm

How can such an evil team be getting such a nice plane?

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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:19 pm

Wonder if one of them will be an ex-UA 757, still a few that FX has not taken.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:25 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 2):
Wonder if one of them will be an ex-UA 757, still a few that FX has not taken.

One? Are they getting more than one?

Was also reading AA is retiring 757s these days and they come with winglets unlike the UA ones so they are not as desirable to FX.
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:25 pm

As a Giants fan I'm curious about the economics of a baseball team owning a single 757 rather than chartering. I wouldn't have thought it would be an economically viable proposition but i'm sure they must have done the maths. Do any other sports franchise own their own aircraft?
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:28 pm

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 4):
Do any other sports franchise own their own aircraft?

Yes, several. Detroit Lions and Tigers off the top of my head.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 3):
One? Are they getting more than one?

Brain fart.

And some of the old UA p.s planes retired have winglets on them.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:36 pm

And years ago the hated Dodgers (I am a Giants fan) had a team Lockheed Electra and a Boeing 720 but they went from these team planes to charter
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:38 pm

San Jose Sharks have their own B727 I believe.

Tigers and Red Wings share a plane, same ownership.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:46 pm

Then when your owned 757 goes Tech on the runway the night before a game 1500 miles away?
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:48 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
How can such an evil team be getting such a nice plane?

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            Agreed 100%   

Seriously, I'd love to see the Dodgers get another 720...certainly the new ownership group can afford it!   

I think this would be the perfect charter vehicle for the Giants...  duck 



[Edited 2015-02-07 11:54:54]
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:51 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 8):

Then when your owned 757 goes Tech on the runway the night before a game 1500 miles away?

Same thing as when your dedicated charter goes Tech on the runway the night before a game 1500 miles away. You have an alternate plan in place.
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:53 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
Same thing as when your dedicated charter goes Tech on the runway the night before a game 1500 miles away. You have an alternate plan in place.

When you charter with a company they become responsible.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:02 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 5):
And some of the old UA p.s planes retired have winglets on them.

Good point.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 9):
I think this would be the perfect charter vehicle for the Giants...

I'd go with:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Fung_wah_bus_ny-bos.jpg
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:14 pm

More I think about it, it would make some sense to acquire a 757-222 that UA retired for a few reasons.

It'd be based in SFO, where UA has a hub and huge MX base.

They could have United Services maintain the plane, since they already know how and are one of the biggest PW 2000 overhaulers in the world.

They could even have UA pilots fly it since they are already trained.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:40 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
I'd go with:


I can't speak for the US models, but over here VanHool is pretty much top of the range kit.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:48 pm

I've just found some details online. The Giants are entering into a lease agreement with a private air carrier:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...r-with-first-class-seats/23006131/

[Edited 2015-02-07 12:48:33]
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 8:55 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 3):
Was also reading AA is retiring 757s these days and they come with winglets unlike the UA ones so they are not as desirable to FX.

They are however, very appealing to FI, who has been taking them as AA retires them.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:23 pm

Quoting warden145 (Reply 9):
think this would be the perfect charter vehicle for the Giants...

[Edited 2015-02-07 11:54:54]

Well it has the same amount of wheels as a 757.   

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):

I'd go with:

How about this

http://hankstruckpictures.com/pix/tr..._cereghino/2009/08-18/img_5260.jpg

Foot Ball wise, this is still too good for the cheating Patiroits
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:35 pm

Perhaps the new ride will run out of gas in October.

Like previously mentioned, it will be interesting to see what happens when it goes mx. The nature of the beast is that it will.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:39 pm

Quoting ua2162 (Reply 18):

Perhaps the new ride will run out of gas in October.

Like previously mentioned, it will be interesting to see what happens when it goes mx. The nature of the beast is that it will.

Also with baseball there are much fewer off days than the other major sports. Any delay in getting there can immediately cut into your team being able to rest.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:47 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 11):
When you charter with a company they become responsible.

Its still a charter. They have to find a plane to take out of their network.
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:49 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Its still a charter. They have to find a plane to take out of their network.

The SFO giants aren't going to have other planes in a network though. They aren't Delta.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:09 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
I'd go with:

Can't anymore, they got shut down by the Feds due to multiple safety violations.

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 14):
I can't speak for the US models, but over here VanHool is pretty much top of the range kit.

It does not have to do with the bus itself, but the operator... a notorious bus line that had the unfortunate habit of having its buses spontaneously catch fire. They were pretty innovative, though, and launched the whole (ultra) low-cost bus shuttle thing that opened the way for other more successful (and legit) operators such as BoltBus or MegaBus. When they finally got shut down someone made this homage to them.

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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:26 pm

Columbus Blue Jackets have a DC-9-32
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 5):
Yes, several. Detroit Lions and Tigers off the top of my head.

Not the Lions but the Tigers and Red Wings share an MD-82. The Detroit Pistons have an MD-83.
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:45 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 17):
Foot Ball wise, this is still too good for the cheating Patiroits

I guess they'll just have to console themselves with that new Super Bowl trophy that they'll put on the shelf next to the other three...

Quoting ua2162 (Reply 18):
Perhaps the new ride will run out of gas in October.

    
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sat Feb 07, 2015 11:44 pm

What was interesting that in the past year, was the verbiage used to describe the service that UA provided for the sports teams. In the case of the Giants(and some other teams), they actually carried the team all year long, but they were not called the "official carrier". Whereas in another group of teams(Dodgers included)they were considered "official".

Did the Giants not pay marketing fees to UA? Or what criteria qualifies an airline as being "official"??
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:19 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 25):

Yes, it sucks, but they did win. I can't till next year, so they will not be champion any more. I cannot stand most things from New England.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 26):
Did the Giants not pay marketing fees to UA? Or what criteria qualifies an airline as being "official"??

UA is the official carrier of the 49ers, yet they've been flying on DL. Giants flew on DL for many years but switched to UA last season. It appears the Team Sponsor has no correlation to the Team Carrier.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:24 am

Maybe when the Dodgers win 3 world series in a short span they can afford one of their own.i wonder if the Giants have an agreement with someone to use it in the winter?
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:28 am

Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 29):
Maybe when the Dodgers win 3 world series in a short span they can afford one of their own.i wonder if the Giants have an agreement with someone to use it in the winter?

The Dodgers TV deal can probably by an entire carrier if they were so inclined (not a dodgers fan)
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:39 am

I know the Dodgers have the money,but I would be disgraced as Braves fan (who havent won since 1995)without getting a jab at a Dodgers fan.
I am surprised that they would go with a 757.Might have been a deal they couldnt resist.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:50 am

Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 29):
Maybe when the Dodgers win 3 world series in a short span they can afford one of their own.i wonder if the Giants have an agreement with someone to use it in the winter

It is a lease from an unnamed operator.
See Reply 15.

The linked article indicates Oakland and Seattle also lease aircraft. I really doubt that the Dodgers by itself would pay enough to support the aircraft operations by themselves. The lease operator must have some other options lined up for the aircraft to make a 757 with 90 seats viable.
Sports charters with large athletic players come to mind as well as gaming charters.

A used but nice 757 with a new interior should not be that high of block hour cost.


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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:53 am

This is probably something to do with the team exec office really looking after some people in the organization who are really like family. The clubhouse manager is pushing 80-something and has been with them since 1958 - also one of the broadcasters has been struggling with a serious illness since last season and its well-known this particular organization travels with small kids and the like often. Definitely seems like a better arrangement for all.
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:57 am

A friend of mine who is going to be the Captain for this plane told me about this about a few weeks ago.
its not a B757, but rather a B767 and yes, the plane will be used for other flights in the off season.
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:00 am

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 34):
A friend of mine who is going to be the Captain for this plane told me about this about a few weeks ago.
its not a B757, but rather a B767 and yes, the plane will be used for other flights in the off season.

Wow this is amazing as all the press reports say a 757
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:17 am

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 34):
A friend of mine who is going to be the Captain for this plane told me about this about a few weeks ago.
its not a B757, but rather a B767 and yes, the plane will be used for other flights in the off season.

I would wait and see but a 57 with 90 first class seats sounds pretty doable a 67 with 90 must have some major room or some Y seats to go with the 90 first class.

A 757/767 are usually rated the same for the flight crew. Possibly you have a 67 rated captain going to be flying a 57.

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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:17 am

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 34):
A friend of mine who is going to be the Captain for this plane told me about this about a few weeks ago.
its not a B757, but rather a B767 and yes, the plane will be used for other flights in the off season.

One might assume this aircraft be it a 757 or 767, would be on a Part 125 cert. If so you would be very limited on what you could do regarding outside the team flying. In fact you cannot hold for out charter and the FAA watches over this kind of activity closely. Can't imagine why you would need a 767 for this activity, but I do know they can be bought at rock bottom prices especially the -200.

Putting an aircraft on a certificate can be a huge undertaking.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:39 am

Quoting Okie (Reply 32):
A used but nice 757 with a new interior should not be that high of block hour cost.

Not sure what you meant by that statement but the "new interior" will have nothing to do with direct cost per hour to operate airplane. Huge costs can be incurred when operating an older aircraft.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:21 am

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 37):

Putting an aircraft on a certificate can be a huge undertaking.

Not arguing (as I haven't a clue) but an actual question. I believe N801DM, the Dallas Mavericks team plane, is also available for charter, or was at one time. It appears, from the MLW Aviation website, that sister ship N767MW is on the Atlas 121 certificate.

Maybe it will be a similar arrangement? I imagine with all of the 757 retirements these days, Atlas could pick one up for cheap, with it comfortably leased for the next 3 years. They already operate their own 767s for charter, so it seems a possibility.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:36 am

Wouldn't the best way for a charter company that has 767 or an airline that has 767 purchase and operate the plane for them. But it on their certificate. All Charter time would be sold to the Giants. However, the charter airline would most likely have the option to buy back time on the aircraft to operate Ad-Hocs as both parties agree. This way the frame can go right on to a certificate and maintenance program.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:39 am

Quoting warden145 (Reply 9):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):

Yeah... maybe a 757 flying this AGAIN



Over dodger barn (stadium) would be cool.

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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:58 pm

[quote=ua2162,reply=18]
Perhaps the new ride will run out of gas in October.

Only if it's an odd-numbered year!
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:08 pm

Quoting mcoatc (Reply 39):
Not arguing (as I haven't a clue) but an actual question. I believe N801DM, the Dallas Mavericks team plane, is also available for charter, or was at one time. It appears, from the MLW Aviation website, that sister ship N767MW is on the Atlas 121 certificate.

The Mavs 757 might be on a 121 cert these days don't know? Big difference between a 125 cert and a 121 operation.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:52 pm

Wouldn't it be cheaper to cut an agreement with UA - Giants lease one of the 757's UA is removing from the fleet and Giants pay for the cabin changes. UA operates with their crews and does maint. I can't see how botique ownership from a smaller operator is going to be cost effective for the Giants at all especially when right a few miles south is a major UA hub where UA can rotate in crews scheduled as needed to operate the aircraft and provide maint servcices for what could be a dedicated aircraft for the Giants.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:26 pm

Quoting NickLAX (Reply 44):

I would certainly think that anything would be cheaper that out right ownership while operating on, or piggy backing on someone else's 125 certificate. One serious mechanical could put you so far behind the power curve not only in missing games but a whole host of other issues.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:20 pm

Why are some complaining about the cost? The team said they are wanting their own aircraft because the chartered airliners are uncomfortable. Cost is not the issue here. If you have the money why not have your own plane.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:28 pm

Quoting ukoverlander (Reply 4):
As a Giants fan I'm curious about the economics of a baseball team owning a single 757 rather than chartering. I wouldn't have thought it would be an economically viable proposition but i'm sure they must have done the maths. Do any other sports franchise own their own aircraft?

Heck ! there's Rock band that owns a 757! I'm Sure the Giants could afford to operate their OWN 757, and? it's a damn good Idea too! 90 first class seats??
They're not going to get that from ANY airline! there's room to park it at SFO and Facilities to have it worked on as well.
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:40 pm

I think the San Jose Sharks hockey team has a 727.
 
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RE: San Francisco Giants Acquire A 757

Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:40 pm

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 14):
I can't speak for the US models, but over here VanHool is pretty much top of the range kit.

Not with that paint job. That company has a serious reputation for bursting into flames or randomly driving off the interstate.Sure it is very cheap NYC to BOS, but you might not get there.

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