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UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:37 pm

UA likes to see it self among the top airlines in the world, however I cannot find another major airline operating in such an unprofessional way as UA does.


There is no other airline that regularly push a fleet beyond their limit and accepts diversion as part of the daily operation.
Pulled up the following UA 757 TATL routes, and counted for this winter the following number of diversions:


TXL: 34
ARN: 14
OSL: 12
HAM: 10

On the TXL route alone you have 34 diversions. How can they even deceive their customers and sell them a nonstop TXL-EWR route, when in fact you will have to make a fuel stop on several flights a week.

Compared to AA and DL, this must be an embarrassment for UA.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:46 pm

I am sure Berliners are thrilled to have a link to NYC that doesn't require changing in FRA / LHR / AMS. 34 = a little over once a week, hardly the end of the world. How many pax on the flights that tech stop would prefer no flight at all?

I suppose you also think narrowbodies on long haul are "cramped"?
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:52 pm

And the airplane IS capable of those legs, for UAL wouldnt schedule them on the routes if it wasnt.

However, yes, it is more sensitive to the winds aloft westbound, and when the forecast tanks ( and they do), you might get a diversion. And which would you rather have - landing into the final destination on fumes?

Seems professional to me - not pushing the airplane into a min fuel issue every time. Also, for your stats - were ALL of those diverted solely for fuel/wind enroute issues, or do you not know the reason they all diverted?

Crap happens - dont like it, dont fly it.

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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 1:58 pm

I'm rather baffled at why those routes have only a 757 on them, when it'd seem like they can each support a 763 (but probably not a 787) thanks to the connection offerings. Every single one of those has a *A partner hubbing or focusing it, either SK or 4U (LH).
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:02 pm

UA could inhibit sales to ensure the aircraft is lighter and more capable of reliable non-stop operation through the winter.
More passengers could get wise to the ruse and book away. Either will cause trip revenue to decline and compromise the economic viability of the flight.

IMHO UA is unlikely to see government regulation penalizing it for unreliable non-stop schedules. It will keep doing what it's doing until markets grow to justify a 787 or yields fall to kill the 757.
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:02 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 1):
I suppose you also think narrowbodies on long haul are "cramped"?

Why would you assume that? I have flown, and enjoyed TATL 757s. I think they are fine as long as they can accomplish their mission without doing regular fuel stops.

Quoting dispatchguy (Reply 2):
And the airplane IS capable of those legs, for UAL wouldnt schedule them on the routes if it wasnt.

The stats speak for themselfs, 34 stops on the TXL route alone.

Quoting dispatchguy (Reply 2):
Seems professional to me - not pushing the airplane into a min fuel issue every time.

This is far from being professional.

No other major airline anywhere in the world has this same problem as UA does. However, I would love to be proven wrong.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:08 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 4):
UA could inhibit sales to ensure the aircraft is lighter and more capable of reliable non-stop operation through the winter.

Which would be absolutely fine, and is how other more professional airlines operate when they use aircraft that cannot fly fully loaded on a route. But UA seems to think they are different and operate like a 3rd world airline with limited resources.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:08 pm

No US airline is flying to those smaller European markets. The 757 has the capacity that matches demand, but the result is pushing the plane to the limits. It is a cost benefit decision, and UA has the occasional fuel stop. It is not fun for the passengers and hurts the UA reputation, but the other option is abandoning the route since the 767 and 787 are too big.

Narrow bodies flying transatlantic routes seems to be the most over emphasized topic on a.net. Whether it is reopen the 757 production line, UA fuel stops, or what can or can't the 737max vs A321neolr do.

Quoting B747forever (Thread starter):

Compared to AA and DL, this must be an embarrassment for UA.

Delta and American do not operate year round service to any airport that you mentioned, so I don't know why you try to compare. The occasional fuel stop is far better than no service at all!

Quoting B747forever (Thread starter):
There is no other airline that regularly push a fleet beyond their limit and accepts diversion as part of the daily operation.

Take a look at Jetblue's flights to the west coast from Boston. Jetblue pushes the A320 to its limits on routes like BOS-SFO and takes plenty of fuel stops in the winter.

US Airways also sometimes needs a fuel stop with their A321s when SFO flow control has long holds and there are strong winds.

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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:15 pm

This is how TXL-EWR looked in January:


Flights operated: 17
Diversions: 10 (JAN 3,4,5,10,11,12,15,18,19,24)


When is many, too many?
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:21 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
Delta and American do not operate year round service to any airport that you mentioned, so I don't know why you try to compare.

My point is that DL nor AA use the same practice as UA does when it comes to pushing an aircraft and accepting unscheduled fuel stops on more than half the flights in a month. You will neither find that with BA, LH, AFKL, EK, SQ, CX, QF and other world leading airlines.



A solution would be, as already suggested that during NOV/DEC/JAN to block off some seats on those 757s.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:22 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
Flights operated: 17
Diversions: 10 (JAN 3,4,5,10,11,12,15,18,19,24)

And why did all of those divert? Medical, winds aloft, the destination closed? Truth is you have no idea why they diverted. Could be 10 different reasons they diverted.

If you are so upset over it - then dont fly it - problem solved.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:27 pm

Quoting dispatchguy (Reply 10):
If you are so upset over it - then dont fly it - problem solved.

And I would add to that - You need to tell United about this and make sure they acknowledge your complaint. Only when they get the feedback can they realize that passengers think it's an issue. If you say nothing then you become part of the problem.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:30 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
Delta and American do not operate year round service to any airport that you mentioned, so I don't know why you try to compare.

My point is that DL nor AA use the same practice as UA does when it comes to pushing an aircraft and accepting unscheduled fuel stops on more than half the flights in a month. You will neither find that with BA, LH, AFKL, EK, SQ, CX, QF and other world leading airlines.



A solution would be, as already suggested that during NOV/DEC/JAN to block off some seats on those 757s.

AA occasionally has 757 fuel stops on route like CDG-JFK. I believe open skies for BA doesn't have the best performance on Paris -EWR either. QF did not have the best reliability on its Dallas flights with the 747. If you want to criticize BA, look at how many diversions that they have had to india over the years due to fog. BA has the worst arrival time for risk of fog with just before dawn arrivals to indian airports with high fog risk.

I agree UA does more fuel stops, but they serve more destinations too. Sometimes routes are plagued by operationl difficulties,
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:30 pm

Quoting dispatchguy (Reply 10):
And why did all of those divert? Medical, winds aloft, the destination closed? Truth is you have no idea why they diverted. Could be 10 different reasons they diverted.

Wow, seems all sick people decided to suddenly fly on UA between TXL-EWR during the month of January warranting so many diversions  


So EWR closed 10 times during the month of January? How interesting.



TXL-EWR December

Flights operated: 18
Diversions: 9 (DEC 1,4,6,15, 18, 20,22, 23, 26)


When booking flights, next to the on time performance, they should put a flight diversion risk. Comes out at about 50%.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:37 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
The 757 has the capacity that matches demand

The thing that comes to my mind though is that there should be demand for a 767 to all 4 markets listed there, thanks to the connections offered by partners.
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:38 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 12):
I believe open skies for BA doesn't have the best performance on Paris -EWR either

Couldnt find a single diversion on either ORY-JFK/EWR from October till today.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 12):
AA occasionally has 757 fuel stops on route like CDG-JFK.

Not as bad as those UA flights, but yes it does have a few diversions also.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 12):
If you want to criticize BA, look at how many diversions that they have had to india over the years due to fog. BA has the worst arrival time for risk of fog with just before dawn arrivals to indian airports with high fog risk.

I am not aware of such a problem over at BA. Do you have stats on the number of diversions?
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:43 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):

We're the diversions the same reason on the other flights?
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:55 pm

The thought of crossing the Atlantic from Berlin on a UA 757 against an A320 to FRA and a 748 to Newark or JFK on LH is one way thought for me, the 748 all the way. UA over uses the 757, its one thing to fly to Ireland or Scotland with them but the capitol of Germany, really ? Really silly idea.
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 2:59 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 17):

I'm supposing that is why the majority go via FRA,CDG,LHR or fly with AB direct to JFK which means that only a small amount will only fly with UA.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:16 pm

B747forever......A few of the destinations that have 757's are transitioning to 763 in a few months. So you can go back to finding something else to disturb you.....
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:18 pm

I think this begs the question of the economics of a fuel-stop diversion. I am assuming it is not cheap to fly into another airport, plus the wasted fuel for descending/ascending and aircraft amortization of another take-off/landing cycle. Is it not cheaper to use a B767 during the Winter season or does United not have any other appropriate aircraft? I am just not too familiar with United's fleet.
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:20 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 1):
I am sure Berliners are thrilled to have a link to NYC that doesn't require changing in FRA / LHR / AMS

We have AB operating a daily service to JFK with A332 as well. DL served JFK-TXL-JFK as well with B763 till 2011 when AB entered the market and fuel prices went up.

UA operated the 762 on the EWR-JFK service until they phased all of them out.


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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:31 pm

You have to consider that the jet stream sits right in the middle of transatlantic routes this time of year and not in summer.
Also, its a quite time, relatively, to travel, so United will take the diversion.
How are the diversions in the summer?
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:40 pm

B747forever is right on the money with his comments. This topic came up last year at around this time (and possibly even the year before that too).

The fact that we're having the discussion again this Winter proves that it is a problem and that UA doesn't care (or doesn't have the resources). UA should sub a 763 on these flights at least for the Winter months, or restrict the number of seats sold on the 757 so that these passengers who paid for a non-stop flight will in fact have a better than 75% chance of getting what they paid for.

And, just like last year, I see we have some members here who are picking on the person who has pointed out how unacceptable these diversions are.
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:41 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 1):
I am sure Berliners are thrilled to have a link to NYC that doesn't require changing in FRA / LHR / AMS.

Especially since AB doesn't fly TXL-JFK at all with an A330  
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 3:54 pm

This individual clearly has a bias against UA and that is fine. He can like or dislike whatever airlines he chooses, but winter diversions for fuel are not unusual or a sign of being non-professional. If he would publish numbers of other airlines showing clearly that the UA practice is unusual, but other than broad statements...nothing. Take a look at AS flying from the Northwest to HI in the winter months with their 738's or anyone else flying 738's from the Northwest. Winter fuel stops in OAK are not that unusual. As with the Atlantic, this happens generally during a few winter months with the service operating non-stop for the vast majority of the year. If I would agree with the posts of this individual, either AS should buy wide-bodies or get out of the market. AS is one of the most professional airlines I've ever experienced and I welcome the occasional winter fuel stop If that is what it takes to have them in Hawaii.
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:01 pm

Curious why UA doesn't pad the westbound flight time for a fuel/technical stop and plan for the tech step unless winds are light or tailwinds helpful. Best case you arrive an 1hr 30 min early, worst case you arrive at the padded tech stop arrival time NOT threatning misconencts which are crazy for those using the 757 transatlantic flights. Any of you ever misconnected? I did 4 times in one year and stopped doing the 757's after that.
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:07 pm

Quoting B747forever (Thread starter):
There is no other airline that regularly push a fleet beyond their limit and accepts diversion as part of the daily operation.

DL has trans-Atlantic 757 flights longer than any of UA's.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:12 pm

Would the new A321LR be able to better tackle these east-coast to Europe routes? Are the 757s getting old enough that UA would consider an A321 as a replacement?
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:14 pm

Those 757s should get their union involved, or start a support group...

If customers are paying to fly the route, what right do you have to complain about how UA runs it?
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:14 pm

As a passenger, I'll take the chance of a fuel stop if I'm flying in the winter over a connection at FRA, LHR, AMS, etc. It's still a one seat ride to EWR. Obviously the flight is successful enough to continue operating it in the winter - otherwise, it would become seasonal. There's a common misconception that airlines don't know what they are doing. I tend to give them a little more credit than that.

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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:15 pm

Pre-merger CO used to block (keep unsold) 40-70 economy seats every day from ca. November 1 to ca. March 31 in order to minimize diversion risk. It was captain's discretion to accept overbooked passengers and standbys into those empty seats as conditions permitted on the day of departure.

I wonder why UA doesn't continue to hold seats, especially considering that the vast majority of revenue on winter transatlantic flights comes from business class and cargo (because economy fares are usually super-low at that time of year).
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:26 pm

Quoting BoeingBear (Reply 31):

There still are a large chunk of held seats every day.
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:30 pm

Quoting cxb744 (Reply 22):
Also, its a quite time, relatively, to travel, so United will take the diversion.
How are the diversions in the summer?

You dont see the diversions during the summer. What some members fail to understand is how UA can accept a completion factor of only 40% in January and 50% in December without diversions. That is not how a major, world leading airline from the US should operate. If they still want to operate the 757s during the winter, then for all means do it, but be honest about it when people book their flights by putting next to the ontime performance on each flight some kind of warning on how few flights actually dont divert. I mean it is ridicoulsy that close to 60% of the flights diverted in January. That is false marketing for you right there. They sell you nonstop flights, but more than half the time that is not true.

Quoting hnl-jack (Reply 26):
This individual clearly has a bias against UA and that is fine

Actaully not. I have used UA several times from domestic flights to TALT/transpacific flights and have enjoyed my flights on them. I am not against them.

Quoting hnl-jack (Reply 26):
. If he would publish numbers of other airlines showing clearly that the UA practice is unusual, but other than broad statements...nothing. Take a look at AS flying from the Northwest to HI in the winter months with their 738's or anyone else flying 738's from the Northwest. Winter fuel stops in OAK are not that unusual

AS 893 SEA-HNL NOV2-FEB7 not a single diversion
AS 851 SEA-HNL OCT8-FEB7 4 diversions (2xPDX, SJC, OAK)

What was your point? As I said, I cannot find another major airline with the same diversion rate as UA.

Quoting hnl-jack (Reply 26):
, but winter diversions for fuel are not unusual or a sign of being non-professional.

It is when 60% of your flights in a single month divert. The numbers speaks for themselvs.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:24 pm

Quoting B747forever (Thread starter):
TXL: 34
ARN: 14
OSL: 12
HAM: 10

Do you have the stats for BCN-EWR? Thanks.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:24 pm

It's not just the fuel stop itself that's awful for the passengers. With the delay, it'll mean they miss their connections in EWR. It boggles my mind why UA does this - it happens every winter, right on cue..

Quite amusing watching the usual suspects (naturally, with the obligatory US flag next to their name) defend this craptastic joke of an airline. So glad I ditched them when CO took over.
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:29 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 1):
I am sure Berliners are thrilled to have a link to NYC that doesn't require changing in FRA / LHR / AMS. 34 = a little over once a week, hardly the end of the world. How many pax on the flights that tech stop would prefer no flight at all?

Exactly. This is a critical point. An unscheduled diversion on the only nonstop from Berlin to NYC is still less hassle and quicker than connecting through FRA or LHR etc.

UA can still own the market when they are the only player, even with regular diversions.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:34 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 36):

UA can still own the market when they are the only player, even with regular diversions.

Except they aren't the only player in the market.
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:36 pm

Quoting B747forever (Thread starter):

Last time I checked UA is the only US carrier to serve TXL, so it isn't an apt comparison to DL or AA...

Quoting sparkingwave (Reply 11):

But he's not a passenger, he's just complaining for the hell of it.

Quoting bgm (Reply 35):

Do you have any data to back up the assertion that passengers are missing their connections in EWR?

The OP has not provided any data to back up how late the arrivals are relative to their scheduled arrival times. Given that a "gas and go" at a tech stop airport is a relatively easy and quick process, especially when it's expected and planned for, the delay time is minimal.

I would also note that this winter has had some of the strongest winds over the North Atlantic in recent memory. Add in the NYC Airport closures and delays this month with winter storms Juno and Linus, and it's made for a challenging environment. The OP should also clarify which dates he's citing that correlate to those storms.

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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:37 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 36):
UA can still own the market when they are the only player, even with regular diversions.

But they're not the only player. AB flies TXL-JFK daily on an a332.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no United fan, but this isn't unprofessional behavior. It might not be the smartest behavior, but not unprofessional.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:39 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 36):
Exactly. This is a critical point. An unscheduled diversion on the only nonstop from Berlin to NYC is still less hassle and quicker than connecting through FRA or LHR etc.

Only if NYC is your final destination. If an unscheduled diversion causes you to miss your connection in EWR it becomes significantly more hassle and slower, especially if FRA/MUC/AMS/CDG/LHR have non stop flights to your actual destination.
 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:42 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 38):
Last time I checked UA is the only US carrier to serve TXL, so it isn't an apt comparison to DL or AA...

As I said, I dont compare specific routes, but operational practices:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
My point is that DL nor AA use the same practice as UA does when it comes to pushing an aircraft and accepting unscheduled fuel stops on more than half the flights in a month. You will neither find that with BA, LH, AFKL, EK, SQ, CX, QF and other world leading airlines.
Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 39):
Don't get me wrong, I'm no United fan, but this isn't unprofessional behavior. It might not be the smartest behavior, but not unprofessional.

Do you think it is okay when UA markets TXL-EWR as nonstop, but as data shows close to 60% diverted in January? Isnt that false marketing in your eyes?
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:45 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
This is how TXL-EWR looked in January:


Flights operated: 17
Diversions: 10 (JAN 3,4,5,10,11,12,15,18,19,24)


When is many, too many?

When people stop paying to fly the route. Until then, I would suggest not worrying so much about it.... 
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:46 pm

Quoting sparkingwave (Reply 11):
And I would add to that - You need to tell United about this and make sure they acknowledge your complaint. Only when they get the feedback can they realize that passengers think it's an issue. If you say nothing then you become part of the problem.

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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:47 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 34):
Do you have the stats for BCN-EWR? Thanks.

BCN January 15

Flights operated: 17
Diversions: 8 (JAN 2,3,4,5,9, 11, 12, 24)
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:50 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 43):
The Question IS?? Exactly What flight was HE on to suffer this inconvienence ?? On what Day?

The question IS, must I have been on a diverted flight to raise a question about the apparent problem UA has with their 757TATL ops during winter?

[Edited 2015-02-08 09:55:37]
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:54 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 37):
Except they aren't the only player in the market.
Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 39):
But they're not the only player. AB flies TXL-JFK daily on an a332.

Okay, thanks for the correction. Well, if UA can still hold their own in a market by flying a 752 to the edge of its operating range causing regular winter diversions, then it proves they are making the correct gauge (and profit) decision.
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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:01 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 45):

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 43):
The Question IS?? Exactly What flight was HE on to suffer this inconvienence ?? On what Day?

The question IS, must I have been on a diverted flight to raise a question about the apparent problem UA has with their 757TATL ops during winter?

[Edited 2015-02-08 09:55:37]

A "problem" that YOU perceive, in a winter where we've had the strongest winds over the North Atlantic in recent memory combined with two storms in the last month that have cause major operational delays at the NYC airports. Your argument would certainly benefit from a YOY analysis of the same flights to see how often these diversions have occurred in past winters, and analysis of how much past schedule those flights arrived, and the number or passengers who misconnected. If that number is negligible, than UA in fact should get praise for managing through a irregular challenging operational environment this winter.

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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:03 pm

So what's wrong with a quick splash and dash in Gander or Halifax when the jetstream is not playing ball? It's a tech stop, thats all.

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RE: UA And The 757 Abuse

Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:12 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 47):
, in a winter where we've had the strongest winds over the North Atlantic in recent memory combined with two storms in the last month that have cause major operational delays at the NYC airports.

UA isnt the only carrier flying TATL and facing those weather conditions. However UA has been the only carrier with so high diversion rates on several routes among all airlines flying TATL. That should tell you something.

Quoting catiii (Reply 47):
If that number is negligible, than UA in fact should get praise for managing through a irregular challenging operational environment this winter.

This is a yearly occurrence on their deeper European 757 TATLs. Nothing new for this year. I can bet you a $100 that you will see the same thing next winter on those 757 routes.

Quoting catiii (Reply 47):
These armchair operational analysts crack me up...

What cracks me up even more is members defending a route with a 60% diversion rate. UA would have actually been more correct in marketing their TXL-EWR as TXL-XXX-EWR this winter instead of a nonstop.
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