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BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:14 am

Hello everyone

Any news of new Airline players coming to Brussels soon
when can we expect especialy new Asian carriers

thanks
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:41 am

Just saw that OR ( Arke ) will start 2 weekly flights from EIN to CUR and AUA with their 787-8. Starting 1st NOV 2015.
Flights are departing EIN on Wednesdays and Sundays.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:34 pm

KLM recently celebrated its first year of resumed operations to Santiago de Chile. Starting in April, KLM will increase frequency on the AMS-EZE-SCL route to 4x weekly (77W). AF/KL's general manager in Chile has indicated that the airline is evaluating operating the route as a non-stop service between AMS and SCL during 2016 with the 787.
Link in Spanish:
KLM evalúa ruta directa a Amsterdam para 2016
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:11 pm

From April, Transavia will be launching 4 weekly flights from AMS to LCA. Promotional fares start at €79 one way.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:52 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):
AF/KL's general manager in Chile has indicated that the airline is evaluating operating the route as a non-stop service between AMS and SCL during 2016 with the 787

Wow, If that happens AMS-SCL will by far be the longest flight for KL. Does KL get 787's with crew rest facilities? I thought only the A350's would get those.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:59 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
Wow, If that happens AMS-SCL will by far be the longest flight for KL.

Assuming flights to Australia will never happen, only DPS would be able to surpass SCL if it were ever to go nonstop.
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:32 am

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
Wow, If that happens AMS-SCL will by far be the longest flight for KL.

Currently the CDG-SCL route is the longest non-stop flight in the entire AF-KL network. If KLM launched AMS-SCL, that flight would become the longest non-stop flight in the entire AF-KL network. The CDG-SCL route would become the third longest flight operating between SCL and Europe as AZ will launch FCO-SCL by 2016:

AMS-SCL 6470nm
FCO-SCL 6413nm
CDG-SCL 6291nm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
Does KL get 787's with crew rest facilities? I thought only the A350's would get those.

The pilots would definitely have crew rest facilities. Not sure about cabin crew. Perhaps KL would block off seats at the rear of the a/c for cabin crew?
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:18 pm

HV will start flights between AMS and ORY, starting June 2015.
Initially 5x week, from Oct 15 to 8x week and the plan is in S16 12x week.

Link ( Dutch) : http://www.nu.nl/beurs/3992174/trans...-start-vluchten-orly-schiphol.html
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:11 pm

Etihad Regional will axe Leipzig - Amsterdam as of March 22nd and will not commence Dresden - Amsterdam and Leipzig/Dresden - Brussels. Leipzig - Amsterdam is 13 weekly at the moment.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:32 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 8):
will not commence Dresden - Amsterdam

Etihad Regional did commence this route, the airline operated Dresden-AMS from late October 2014 to early January 2015.

[Edited 2015-02-20 02:32:53]
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:29 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 9):
Etihad Regional did commence this route, the airline operated Dresden-AMS from late October 2014 to early January 2015.

Yes, but it was about to return on this route in S15 (at least that was the idea). Though "resume" should have been the correct phrase.

[Edited 2015-02-22 08:30:07]
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:48 pm

A little bit late (I've been very busy lately), but for those who wish to have an overview of the ranking of all commercial airports in BeNeLux hereby the ranking by number of passengers based on EOY 2014 figures (the ranking by freight volume and number of movemnet will follow, but for some reason I can't find the cargo figures for LUX anymore).

First, no new commercial airports in 2014 and none has been closed in 2014 thus we remain at 12 comemrcial airports (Lelystad still doesn't meet the criteria of a commercial airport)

Rank Airport Number of pax Change
1 AMS 54,978,023 4.66%
2 BRU 21,933,190 14.63%
3 CRL 6,440,000 -/- 5.11%
4 EIN 3,925,000 14.58%
5 LUX 2,470,000 12.40%
6 RTM 1,687,574 13.37%
7 LGG 302,847 -/- 3.95%
8 MST 283,000 -/-34.12%
9 OST 253,044 2.17%
10 GRQ 199,651 -/- 1.65%
11 DHR 147,217 8.24%
12 ANR 121,357 -/ 11.43%

BRU didn't only managed to have the highest % growth, it also had the largest growth in actual number of passengers (and AFAIK for the first time they beat AMS). LGG surpassed MST this year in number of passengers and Den Helder passed Antwerp in 2014, leaving Antwerp as smallest commercial airport (measured by number of passengers) in BeNeLux in 2014.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:26 am

some photos of the 3rd OR 788: https://www.facebook.com/Arke/posts/10153197585220719
L/N 281 – PH-TFM – ZA324 - OR #3 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:32 pm

According to Dutch newspapers KLM and Xiamen Airlines have reached agreement on the joint operation of XMN-AMS-XMN using B787 of Xiamen Airlines.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2...eer_KLM-vluchten_naar_China__.html

Use Google translate
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:58 pm

Quoting GILLESPATRICK (Thread starter):
Hello everyone

Any news of new Airline players coming to Brussels soon
when can we expect especialy new Asian carriers

thanks

With EK trying to get the A380 to BRU very soon... I'm not too sure any new asian carrier would dare to venture soon in BRU.

Moreover rumours regarding TG in BRU aren't good either... ME3 has "cleaned" the place it seems.
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:57 pm

Hereby the ranking based on cargo volume as of yearend 2014

(number of tons)
1. AMS 1,633,195 (+6.67%)
2. LUX 708,078 (+5.13%)
3. LGG 590,579 (+5.27%)
4. BRU 453,954 (+5.59%)
5. MST 54,029 (-/-31.61%)
6. OST 24,885 (-/-46.47%)
7. DHR 368 (+1.38%)
8. RTM 100 (+85.19%)

The top 4 grew whilst MST and OST showed a steep decline in cargo volume in 2014.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:29 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 15):
Hereby the ranking based on cargo volume as of yearend 2014

(number of tons)
1. AMS 1,633,195 (+6.67%)

Amazing to see 6.7% increase at AMS, with KLM/AF (Martinair Cargo) making deep cuts in their all-cargo fleet. Wonder if the competition is gaining, or is KLM cargo growing because of increased 77W operation (more belly cargo)?
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:16 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 16):
Amazing to see 6.7% increase at AMS, with KLM/AF (Martinair Cargo) making deep cuts in their all-cargo fleet. Wonder if the competition is gaining, or is KLM cargo growing because of increased 77W operation (more belly cargo)?

Unfortunate, unlike BRU, AMS doesn't provide a breakdown per category but only per region. Thus, it's not clear from the information they provide (for this we have to wait for the statistical yearbook). However, though KLM is a large player, there's more than KL at AMS. The largest growth was in cargo between AMS and North America (both ingoing and outgoing). I recall that DL increased flights in 2014 compared to 2013. This will have a benficial effect as well. The KL 77Ws don't fly to NA often thus this cannot be attributed to the 77Ws. In the full freighter market, the market share of KL/MP hasn't been big, though they're still the largest.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:32 pm

KLM/MP to axe 330 jobs (including 110 pilots and 170 ground crew at AMS) due to reorganization of the freighter fleet, which will be reduced from 10 full freighters to only 4.

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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:04 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 18):
KLM/MP to axe 330 jobs (including 110 pilots and 170 ground crew at AMS) due to reorganization of the freighter fleet, which will be reduced from 10 full freighters to only 4

According to Dutch news this will take effect before June 2016 and will leave Martinair with 4 744 freighters.
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:02 pm

Does anyone know where DHL is building their new sort center in BRU? According to some vague details I've read, it looks as though they're taking over the 117s on apron 10, but isn't Lufthansa Technik in 117D? Also where will they park their planes? Apron 10 is certainly too small and there isn't much room to enlarge it.
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:37 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 20):
Does anyone know where DHL is building their new sort center in BRU? According to some vague details I've read, it looks as though they're taking over the 117s on apron 10, but isn't Lufthansa Technik in 117D? Also where will they park their planes? Apron 10 is certainly too small and there isn't much room to enlarge it.

The building will be located right to the east of the Lufthansa Technik hangar, on the space currently occupied by an old jetairfly hangar and some old buildings that were once used by Sabena (117, 117a, 117f). The LH Technik hangar is staying. As for parking, I've read they'll also park at the Brucargo apron (apron 9).
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:54 am

Thanks. What will happen with the current DHL buildings?
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:07 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 22):
Thanks. What will happen with the current DHL buildings?

I think the space will be reserved for a possible future expansion of the passenger terminal.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:51 pm

Xiamen - AMS from 26 July 2015:

- XMN 12:10 - arr. AMS 18:40 KL884 B772 Mon, Wed, Fri
- XMN 23.50 - arr. AMS 05.45 MF811 787 Sun, Tue, Thu

- AMS 12.35 - arr. XMN 05.30 MF812 787 Mon, Wed, Fri
- AMS 17:00 - arr. XMN 10:25 KL883 B772 Sun, Tue, Thu
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:38 pm

The latest real estate investment of Brussels Airport, aka The Connector, has been opened to public yesterday. It will save a few minutes walking time between the check in areas and the Terminal A, but it might cost many passengers in increased shopping and food expenses  .

http://www.brusselsairport.be/en/corporate/connector/connhome/
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:00 am

The expansion of Lelystad is now final. The airport will get a commercial flights and AMS will invest USD 90mln to create an airport which can handle over 45,000 flights annually. The expansion should be ready by 2018.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:31 pm

Easyjet will start AMS-LIN as of W15. The flight will be operated 6 weekly (no flight on Saturday) with A320
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:52 pm

Quoting tomcat (Reply 25):
The latest real estate investment of Brussels Airport

For many, the most important piece of real estate in BRU!   I found the transfer to the Pier A troublesome at least, so for me this is exciting news!
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:40 pm

Cargolux has signed a joint venture with Oman Air to develop Muscat airport as a cargo hub between China, India, Asia and Europe / North America. The agreement as signed on the first flight to Muscat.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:57 am

EK flying the A380 to BRU on Sep 18th

http://airlineroute.net/2015/04/24/ek-bru-sep15/

What's the purpose of this flight? See if BRU can handle the A380?
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:11 am

Quoting Mict (Reply 30):
What's the purpose of this flight? See if BRU can handle the A380?

I'd say so, and probably a prelude to sending the A380 there at a later stage. We have seen similar probing flights of EK before.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:20 am

Before we see a 388 of EK flying on a daily basis at BRU, we re likely to see a 2nd daily flights, assuming this remains within the capacity allowed under the Belgium-UAE bilateral.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:05 pm

When I took a tour of BRU last year, they advised that while they are a certified diversion airport, no gate can handle the 388. So apparently they've modified/are going to modify a gate?
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:53 pm

Emirates VP Operations West Hubert Frach was in BRU in February and announced they were to start talking with the airport about bringing the A380. No date was given but airport officials said they'd build a gate as long as a carrier committed to A380 ops.

Could be a deal has been done, modifications (soon to be) underway and Emirates is planning to bring the A380 in September to test the updated infrastructure before officially upgauging the flight. Besides adapting a gate, a few taxiways need to be widened as well.

[Edited 2015-04-24 09:57:02]
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:59 pm

Wow I would never have expected A380 operations in BRU this soon.
Any info on the location of the gate? Far end of concourse B I guess?
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon May 04, 2015 8:42 pm

Take Air has started to fly between Antwerp and Zurich. The first flight was today. For those unfamiliar woth Take Air, this is a membership airline, which means that you'll pay X amount of Euro's and become a member. As a member you can fly as much as you need on the the airline. Take Air uses the general aviation terminals and uses a Beechcraft King Air for its flights.

Timetable
ANR dep 07:05 ZRH arr 08:30, ZRH dep 09:00 ANR arr 10:25 (Monday)
ANR dep 07:05 ZRH arr 08:30, ZRH dep 19:20 ANR arr 20:45 (Tuesday & Thursday)
ANR dep 16:30 ZRH arr 17:55, ZRH dep 18:55 ANR arr 19:25 (Friday)
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Tue May 05, 2015 6:39 pm

A few days ago, the Belgian press reported that BRU would need to spend about 10 million euros to accommodate the A380 on a regular basis. BRU is still evaluating the business case for such an investment, while there are enough slots available for EK to bring a second daily (non A380) flight to BRU.

When you think of it, what would be the benefit for BRU? At best, EK is marginally stimulating the travel demand out of BRU, and bringing an A380 will not make much difference in that respect. So, BRU cannot expect a significant increase of turnover thanks to that investment. Could BRU manage to save on its operational expenses thanks to this investment (better gate and baggage handling productivity for example)? It doesn't seem so. Of course, BRU could still spend that money to please a customer. Wait and see...
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Tue May 05, 2015 8:22 pm

Cargolux reported a USD 3mln profit for FY2014 (this figure includes an impairment of USD40mln). The airline recorded record revenues of almost USD 2.1bln and record number of block hours flown (95,522). However, load factor declined to 66.9% from 67.7% in 2013.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Tue May 05, 2015 8:24 pm

Better for EK to add a 2nd daily flight on BRU-DXB. Replacing the 77W used the current single daily flight with a 388 is a bit premature.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Tue May 12, 2015 7:35 pm

The EU has granted antitrus approval for the TATL joint venture between AF/KL, DL and AZ for a period of 10 years. However, the joint venture must give a competitor the slots to provide a service between New York - Amstredam and/or New York - Rome.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sat May 16, 2015 6:19 pm

According to the Dutch media, the Dutch government has been approached by the US government about preclearance of passengers and cargo at AMS. All passengers and cargo on flights to the US would be cleared in AMS instead of the US airline. The Dutch government is looking at the consequences for AMS and the airlines at the moment.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sat May 16, 2015 9:53 pm

Quoting tomcat (Reply 37):
A few days ago, the Belgian press reported that BRU would need to spend about 10 million euros to accommodate the A380 on a regular basis.

Is there a breakdown on the cost? I was given the impression only a few taxiways needed to be widened to accommodate the A380, besides adding a higher gate. Compared with the costs incurred by other airports, 10 millions is a lot, unless there are many more taxiways to be worked on (can't be that many since Lufty had no problem with their test flight) or the work to add the new gate is very extensive.

Besides, the airport did say more than once they'd build a gate if an operator committed to bringing in an A380. Didn't they look at the numbers then?

For the sake of comparison, DFW spent less than $3 millions to convert an existing gate to A380 use and add a second jetbridge. The project took under 6 months from approval to completion.
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sat May 16, 2015 10:40 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 42):
Is there a breakdown on the cost? I was given the impression only a few taxiways needed to be widened to accommodate the A380, besides adding a higher gate.

The article I read just mentioned a need for "new higher gates and special taxiways", there is nothing more specific. There is also a quote from BRU's spokesman saying that they would need to seek the relevant authorizations to allow regular operations with the A380 (implying that it would take time). Overall, BRU doesn't seem to display a great deal of enthusiasm, but this could also have to do with the current dire state of the relationship between BRU and the neighboring communities (you have to keep in mind that downtown Brussels is just a stone throw away from the main takeoff runway, the 25R). Any smallest announcement of expansion by BRU is heavily contested. So even if BRU would be excited to welcome A380 operations, we could expect that they would keep a low profile about this project.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sun May 17, 2015 9:25 am

Quoting PW100 (Reply 16):
Amazing to see 6.7% increase at AMS, with KLM/AF (Martinair Cargo) making deep cuts in their all-cargo fleet. Wonder if the competition is gaining, or is KLM cargo growing because of increased 77W operation (more belly cargo)?

Cargofacts gives some figures and comments of the current state of AF-KLM cargo :

"Cargo woes at Air France-KLM are getting worse. In each of the first three months of 2015, Air France-KLM reported year-over-year declines of between 8% and 9%. Bad enough, but in April, things got worse, and the carrier reported cargo traffic down 14.9% to 703 million RTKs. Air France-KLM is in the process of shrinking its freighter fleet, and said main-deck capacity was down 30% y-o-y in April. But total cargo capacity was down only 7.0%, so there is more involved here than just capacity reduction For the first four months of 2015, AF-KLM’s cargo traffic was down 10.0% "
See : http://cargofacts.com/asian-carriers-do-well-in-april/

I personally talked with some freight forwarders a few months ago in the carribean (and S. America) and they told me that they planned to change from AF-KL to other carriers because of infexibility and they were ready to leave "this sinking ship".

[Edited 2015-05-17 02:58:57]
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Sun May 17, 2015 9:31 am

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 39):

Better for EK to add a 2nd daily flight on BRU-DXB. Replacing the 77W used the current single daily flight with a 388 is a bit premature.

Adding a second flight would add more seats than upgrading to an A380, so the latter is actually the conservative approach.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Wed May 27, 2015 8:17 pm

Air Baltic will start Gdansk - Amsterdam as of W15. The flight will be operated 3 weekly with a Dash 8 Q400 on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Flight number will be BT513/4

Schedule
GDN dep 1425 arr AMS 1635
AMS dep 1150 arr GDN 1350
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:26 am

Hello

just saw the news that finaly there will be a direct flight from Japan to Brussels , ANA is arriving in september or october , surely 787 to start
the last connection between the two cities was with Sabena I rekon in the late 90's
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Jun 01, 2015 10:26 am

Brussels Airport has been selected by the DHS to get US border control together with 9 other airports including Amsterdam.

Press release DHS: http://www.dhs.gov/news/2015/05/29/d...xpand-preclearance-10-new-airports

Part of it:

Quote:

The 10 airports identified for possible preclearance locations include: Brussels Airport, Belgium; Punta Cana Airport, Dominican Republic; Narita International Airport, Japan; Amsterdam Airport Schipol, Netherlands; Oslo Airport, Norway; Madrid-Barajas Airport, Spain; Stockholm Arlanda Airport, Sweden; Istanbul Ataturk Airport, Turkey; and London Heathrow Airport and Manchester Airport, United Kingdom. These countries represent some of the busiest last points of departure to the United States – in 2014, nearly 20 million passengers traveled from these ten airports to the US.
 
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RE: BeNeLux Aviation # 6

Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:20 pm

Xiamen Airlines will reduce XMN - AMS to wtice weekly is W15 (same frequency as KLM on this route). The flight will be operated on Thursdays and Sundays from Xiamen.

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