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AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:07 pm

Eff May 07 = DFW-ORD

Eff Jun 02 = DFW-PEK

Eff Jun 04 = DFW-EZE

Cabin config will be 28 Biz and 198 Economy of which 48 are Main Cabin Extra


American reveals first Dreamliner routes, seat layout
http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...liner-routes-seat-layout/23229479/

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Not a very premium heavy aircraft. Almost identical to refit 763 capacity size.
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:16 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Almost identical to refit 763 capacity size.

Yes, my thoughts exactly. And ironically, with a 2-3-2 layout, vs the 787's 3-3-3, the 767 will probably be a lot more comfortable.

Still looking forward to seeing it this side of the Atlantic, though!
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:19 pm

Ha. I knew DFW would get the first treatment.
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:20 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Eff May 07 = DFW-ORD

No surprise here

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Eff Jun 02 = DFW-PEK

Eff Jun 04 = DFW-EZE

Interesting choices!
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:31 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
And ironically, with a 2-3-2 layout, vs the 787's 3-3-3, the 767 will probably be a lot more comfortable.

What will the pitch in Y be? Hopefully it will not be as bad as on AA's A319s; pretty much everyone agrees AA's A319s are the most uncomfortable non-LCC aircraft in the skies.....
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:37 pm

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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:39 pm

Anyone know which flight on 5/7? Would love to be on the inaugural!
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:41 pm

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 3):
Interesting choices!

I'd say EZE is a weakening route where the 772 might be too much plane, while PEK is a new route launch and 787 brings much better economic to help it succeed.

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 6):
Anyone know which flight on 5/7? Would love to be on the inaugural!
AA said bookings start on 2/14, so it should be loaded over the weekend in GDS.

[Edited 2015-02-11 09:43:02]
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:43 pm

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 6):
Anyone know which flight on 5/7? Would love to be on the inaugural!

It will be bookable on 2/14.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:54 pm

Anybody know what the chances are of redeeming AAdvantage miles for the inaugural?
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:12 pm

Quoting jeffh747 (Reply 9):
Anybody know what the chances are of redeeming AAdvantage miles for the inaugural?

As an AAnyTime award for many, many miles, probably pretty good.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:12 pm

Quoting jeffh747 (Reply 9):
Anybody know what the chances are of redeeming AAdvantage miles for the inaugural?

I'm sure there will be aanytime awards available at extortionate rates.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:29 pm

How long will AA fly the 787 on DFW-ORD?

Since ORD ground crews will become familar with the plane, will it be safe to assume that ORD will be the next hub to get international routes for the 787?
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:30 pm

Surprising choices, in my opinion. Both are very long routes that require 2 aircraft each (EZE because of the 12 hours layover). Besides, both are routes where AA has no competition at all, so the better economics of this aircraft and the new and improved hard product won't bring any competitive advantage for AA on those routes.

However, maybe these are only the first international routes and after a while they are replaced by other more competitive routes from other hubs (and domiciles). When AA announced the first 77W routes, DFW-GRU was only flown for a short period of time before being replaced by JFK-LHR. DFW-GRU came back later.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:35 pm

Plane is also doing LHR for a week in March I think,
then a 2 month stint in the summer, Jul & Aug IIRC.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:41 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 4):
What will the pitch in Y be? Hopefully it will not be as bad as on AA's A319s; pretty much everyone agrees AA's A319s are the most uncomfortable non-LCC aircraft in the skies.....

Unquestionably. As the title of the Pet Shop Boys song goes: "What Have I Done To Deserve This"?  
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:49 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
I'd say EZE is a weakening route where the 772 might be too much plane,

Why is it weakening? I understood that EZE always does very well. The DFW-EZE flight has gone back and forth between a 777 and 767 since it started.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 4):
Hopefully it will not be as bad as on AA's A319s; pretty much everyone agrees AA's A319s are the most uncomfortable non-LCC aircraft in the skies.....

Many travelers, including myself, thought the AA MD-80s were the most comfortable domestic coach seat in the skies. How things just keep going downhill.

I did 3-3-3 on a 787 on a 13+ hour flight recently and it was miserably cramped. And air fares are also extremely high from what I've seen for international coach tickets now, so there's no trade off either.

How long are the consumers going to let the airlines keep diminishing comfort but keeping fares high?
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:52 pm

Does LAN fly its 787s to EZE? Or will AA send the first?
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:57 pm

The 788's are supposed to start some domestic hops in April...

Will those be random equipment swaps or pre-announced flights ?
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:58 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 16):
Why is it weakening? I understood that EZE always does very well. The DFW-EZE flight has gone back and forth between a 777 and 767 since it started.

Have you not heard/seen the growing economic malaise in Argentina?
Economy is shrinking in recession, very high inflation, currency controls, and limits placed on imports.
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:03 pm

Quoting realsim (Reply 13):
Surprising choices, in my opinion. Both are very long routes that require 2 aircraft each (EZE because of the 12 hours layover).

Should only need three aircraft to operate both routes daily, not four - that actually likely figured into AA's selection of DFW-EZE as another early route for this plane. Because of the schedule between the two routes, a morning EZE arrival into DFW can turn to a late-morning PEK departure out of DFW, and then the afternoon PEK arrival into DFW can turn to the evening EZE departure out of DFW.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:18 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 16):
Why is it weakening?

In 2014 Argentina had the worlds second largest currency decline. Inflation is around 40%, its foreign currency reserves are dropping fast which like Venezuela has created massive disparity between official rate and black market rate.
Country has imposed limits on how much cash Argentinians can leave the country with (that is if they can afford the trip at all now). They even limited consumer online shopping to reduce cash outflow from nation.

Looks like nation is headed towards another economic meltdown, so its not exactly the market that will generate overwhelming travel for airline like AA.
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:24 pm

I think we will see a rapid announcement of additional 787 routes as the fleet is forecast to reach 12 frames by end of the year.

According to AA investor update they should have 3 in the fleet by end of Q1, 6 in Q2, 9 in Q3 and 12 by Q4.
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:41 pm

I'm secretly hoping for at least one of JFK-GIG or JFK-CDG hits it

I have both booked in Q4 but currently scheduled in 763s
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:41 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Have you not heard/seen the growing economic malaise in Argentina?

So what? It has never kept the wealthy Argentines from flying, of which there are many. LH´s FRA-EZE in F is always full. It´s not an issue at all.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:11 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 20):
Because of the schedule between the two routes, a morning EZE arrival into DFW can turn to a late-morning PEK departure out of DFW, and then the afternoon PEK arrival into DFW can turn to the evening EZE departure out of DFW.

Interestingly, an AM arrival from EZE into DFW with a departure to PEK, and a late afternoon arrival from PEK with a departure to EZE later that evening, factor roughly into less than 5 hours of ground time in between for the 788. Of course, these will adjust with DST.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:40 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 24):
So what? It has never kept the wealthy Argentines from flying, of which there are many. LH´s FRA-EZE in F is always full. It´s not an issue at all.

And how about the average Argentinian, or how about foreign business man?
Last I checked AA did not only cater for that little niche of bourgeois Argentinians. Anyhow, the 787 does not feature F class at any rate.
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:49 pm



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Eff Jun 04 = DFW-EZE

This may be good to down-gauge due to financial turmoil.

[Edited 2015-02-11 12:49:48]
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:51 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Cabin config will be 28 Biz and 198 Economy of which 48 are Main Cabin Extra

Business class seats arranged in a 1-2-1 configuration.

Main cabin extra in a 3-3-3 configuration. Main cabin seats, also arranged in a 3-3-3 configuration.
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:52 pm

Does anybody know the exact flight number, and what hour around midnight it'll be loaded into the system?

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 15):
As the title of the Pet Shop Boys song goes: "What Have I Done To Deserve This"?

That reminds me of when they made a movie called "It Couldn't Happen Here" based on the same song on their album Actually. The movie was considered mediocre and uninteresting to the point where a critic wrote a review titled "It Shouldn't Happen Anywhere."

[Edited 2015-02-11 12:53:58]
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:09 pm

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 29):
Does anybody know the exact flight number, and what hour around midnight it'll be loaded into the system?

Those are published yet, but I'd imagine they'd be a direct replacement of existing services to EZE and PEK.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:12 pm

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 29):
Does anybody know the exact flight number, and what hour around midnight it'll be loaded into the system?

GDS loads tend to go in overnight from Saturday into Sunday.
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:27 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 26):
And how about the average Argentinian, or how about foreign business man?

The average Argentine these days travels to Chile and its beaches, some save for a year for a once in a blue moon trip to CUN, or some beach in the Dominican Republic in a package charter. Some a bit more well off head for Brazil.

The foreign business man, is obviously traveling for BUSINESS and sure, those passenger numbers may take a hit if there is a major meltdown in the economy, which clearly won´t be the case.

I am not saying the Argentine economy is not in a bad shape. I am saying that AA and most full service carriers do not cater to the traffic affected by economic troubles in Argentina. It has been like that historically.

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 26):
Last I checked AA did not only cater for that little niche of bourgeois Argentinians.

I would think differently if you check the fares and load factors in F and C.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:49 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 4):
What will the pitch in Y be? Hopefully it will not be as bad as on AA's A319s

Ironically the Airbus A319/320/321 has a wider cabin than the 737 yet American is all about shrinking seat width these days to net ZERO new seats. It's a way to decrease comfort while doing nothing to increase revenue. I guess it's only fair though, since they are putting more narrow seats in First Class today, they might as well make coach passengers suffer too.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:06 pm

I dont get the forward and reverse facing J seats with this angled config, everyone else just faces forward???
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:14 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 34):
I dont get the forward and reverse facing J seats with this angled config, everyone else just faces forward???

More efficient use of space...the seats are the same size and have the same amenities but the cabin takes up a smaller footprint. The reverse seats that AA uses on the 77W and 330 fleets are supposedly very comfortable but take up a ton of space.
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:43 pm

So is the aircraft just sitting at DFW from now until May 7th?
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:51 pm

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 36):
So is the aircraft just sitting at DFW from now until May 7th?

It's my understanding that it will fly to ORD a few times for fit checks and taxi crew familiarization over the next couple of months.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:57 pm

Man, the business class seats looking super awkward with two pax head to head like that (front and back facing) . Maybe the photo I have seen has a funny angle. Yikes
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:11 am

The backwards window seat looks like a perfect match for me. You could actually look out the window in comfort.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Not a very premium heavy aircraft. Almost identical to refit 763 capacity size.

That was my first thought too. Pretty light on J and MCE seats.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
Yes, my thoughts exactly. And ironically, with a 2-3-2 layout, vs the 787's 3-3-3, the 767 will probably be a lot more comfortable.

The more modern cabin (pressure, windows, Sky Interior, etc.) is far important to me than 2-3-2. It's very subjective.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:08 am

ORD-Asia are in the mix, from what I hear. Also, ORD-GRU will happen, possible rotation with PVG? Also, rumor is AA will get better BJS slots for ORD due to DFW flights.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:17 am

Would the 787 be a good aircraft to fly coast to coast? LAX / SFO - JFK ?
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:46 am

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 41):
Would the 787 be a good aircraft to fly coast to coast? LAX / SFO - JFK ?

This is what AA's A321s are for.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:21 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 39):
The more modern cabin (pressure, windows, Sky Interior, etc.) is far important to me than 2-3-2. It's very subjective.

I have flown the 787 in both J and Y and at least for me, the cabin pressure made no difference.
I do like the Windows though. Other than the windows most passengers won't be able to tell a difference.
The plus side of 3x3x3 is you have a higher likely hood of having a row of 3 to yourself in which you can lie across.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:58 am

Eager to know which routes MIA will get with the 787!      

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 41):
Would the 787 be a good aircraft to fly coast to coast? LAX / SFO - JFK ?
Quoting zotan (Reply 42):
This is what AA's A321s are for.

  

No need to do that with an aircraft like a 787.
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:01 am

Quoting continental004 (Reply 17):
Does LAN fly its 787s to EZE? Or will AA send the first?

AA will be the fourth 787 operator at Ezeiza. LAN deployed the 787 to EZE in 2012. AV recently started 787 flights to EZE and AM will soon deploy the 787 on the MEX-EZE route.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 32):
The average Argentine these days travels to Chile and its beaches

And the shopping malls...
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:08 am

Quoting bourbon (Reply 43):
I have flown the 787 in both J and Y and at least for me, the cabin pressure made no difference.
I do like the Windows though.

Same here - the cabin pressure made no difference to me, but then I live about 7000'.   Humidity is supposed to be higher also, but I didn't notice that either.

For the first and last 15 minutes, the larger windows were nice. What was even nicer was the higher window beltline. Didn't have to slouch down to see out the window on the ground. On my UA flight, the FAs locked the window dimmers with no passenger adjust allowed, even at a restricted level.

[Edited 2015-02-11 19:10:28]
 
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Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:40 am

Quoting glbltrvlr (Reply 46):
On my UA flight, the FAs locked the window dimmers with no passenger adjust allowed, even at a restricted level.

Yes that really made me mad on a recent CZ flight YVR-CAN. It was a clear sunny day over Alaska and you could see Denali and all the other mountains. I wished to take a few photos, but couldn't because the window dimmers were locked tot he most dim level. Same thing over far east Russia also - beautiful mountain views behind a dim window.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:00 am

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 37):
t's my understanding that it will fly to ORD a few times for fit checks and taxi crew familiarization over the next couple of months.

For that long?

I don't think any other carrier other than AA takes this long to get a new type in service.

When they introduced the 777-300ER, those things didn't fly revenue flights for around a month.
 
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RE: AA Announces 787 Routes; Cabin Config

Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:06 am

Quoting glbltrvlr (Reply 46):
On my UA flight, the FAs locked the window dimmers with no passenger adjust allowed, even at a restricted level.

Old UA/AA trick on longhaul flights. If it's light in the cabin, you might be awake, which means you could do something horrible like ask them for water, or food, or something else that might require them to get up out of their reserved crew rest seats. And we can't have that!

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