|Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 16):|
I did 3-3-3 on a 787 on a 13+ hour flight recently and it was miserably cramped. And air fares are also extremely high from what I've seen for international coach tickets now, so there's no trade off either.
How long are the consumers going to let the airlines keep diminishing comfort but keeping fares high?
My father-in-law is a retired business professor and used to teach at a college in northeast Georgia. So, he often had one or two Delta managers in his MBA classes. And, he had elite status with DL
, since he flew frequently for his consulting business.
So, he would discuss the airline industry with his students. The belief in the industry is that price is the first, second, and third reasons why people select a specific flight. People who don't buy the cheapest ticket are either required to fly a specific carrier under a corporate contract, have a specific time constraint and have to fly when a ticket is more expensive, or they are so brand loyal that price isn't an issue. The last group of customers is fairly small.
If an airline refuses to follow a trend, whether it's tighter seating (so more seats can be installed) or additonal fees, the perception is that an airline then cant' offer competitive fares.
My father-in-law theorizes that when the legacies chose to match the LCCs on advance purchase fares, the mindset started to creep into the traveling public that an airline seat was a commodity. While airlines are certainly willing to compete for business and first class passengers, in terms of seating comfort, food service, etc,. airlines and passengers don't see any reason to pick a coach seat based on anything other than price.
If airlines had decided in the 80s and 90s that a coach seat on AA
, or DL
offered more than a coach seat on Southwest or Air Tran, then they would have marketed the superior aspects.
It's like when GM
luxury sedans (Olds 98, Buick Park Avenue, and Cadillac DeVille) were built off the same platforms. A Caddy dealer would never match the price of a DeVille with a similarly-optioned Park Avenue. The Caddy was marketed as a better car, and the sales price had to reflect the superiority of the Caddy, real or otherwise.
tried More Room Throughout Coach as a way of trying to get a premium price for a seat with more legroom, and the plan didn't work. AA
coulnd't charge more. So, the cost of flying a plane from A to B had to be spread across fewer passengers.
|Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 48):|
When they introduced the 777-300ER, those things didn't fly revenue flights for around a month.
The 777-300 is a variant of the 777-200, which AA
has been flying since 1999. The 787 is a brand new aircraft type for AA
, thus it will take longer to get flight and ground crews familar with the aircraft.