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Boston Aviation Part 3

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Boston Aviation Part 2 (by American 767 Oct 31 2014 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:05 am

Concerning whether SDF would be better served by WN or B6.

I would say B6 due to mainly the size of the route and having the right plane. WN hasn't entered anything that small from BOS yet and connections are minimal at best: DEN, LAS, MDW, TPA, MCO, PHX
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:13 pm

As mentioned in this thread Spirit Announces 9 New ATL Routes (by shadez Feb 17 2015 in Civil Aviation)

NK to start ATL-BOS on 9/10/15.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:20 pm

The OAG thread also mentioned that Delta is launching a daily RT MKE flight.
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:33 pm

Quoting tlecam (Reply 3):
The OAG thread also mentioned that Delta is launching a daily RT MKE flight.

Also S4 BOS-LIS and BOS-TER go to 2 weekly this summer.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:43 pm

How has Emirates fared with launching from C and a gate with a seating area that is spartan and slim? I've heard anecdotal reports that it is like loading a limousine from a bus terminal. And if the crowd has to spill over into adjacent waiting areas, is the PA system set up so that everyone hears the necessary announcements when they are made?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:17 am

Quoting tlecam (Reply 3):
The OAG thread also mentioned that Delta is launching a daily RT MKE flight.

This might be the newest DL destination from BOS in a longtime - probably after LAS which they started last year and that service was discontinued too  
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:05 pm

We always talk about who Massport tries to get to fly to BOS. We never really discuss what other airport officals are doing to get service from BOS. Recent events show that domestically airport officials from airports such as SMF and CMH were begging for new or improved service and eventually got it.

Here's a list of mostly international airports who want a BOS link or extended service.
http://www.therouteshop.com/search-trs/route/Boston


Also - the Massport board met this weeks and terminal shuffling was part of the agenda. I wonder if we hear an announcement shortly on WN moving to A.
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:32 pm

I don't know if there be an announcement but its happening April 1. You'll hear shortly before to try to get word out Im sure.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:42 pm

Saw an advertisement from Massport promoting the international service from Logan. Perhaps a typo but it showed JL departing at 1:00AM. Have they changed their departure time again? Does this improve the number of connections in Tokyo?
Has anyone got any ideas how JL,HU loads have been?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:48 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 7):

Here's a list of mostly international airports who want a BOS link or extended service.
http://www.therouteshop.com/search-trs/route/Boston

Interesting list, I could definitely see an AA BOS-MAN (5x weekly?), a NK BOS-ACY (2x weekly), and a IB BOS-BCN (3x weekly) sometime in the future. Others I'm a bit more skeptical. What's the PDEW like to northern Europe- ie. ARN, HEL, OSL, and CPH?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:07 pm

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 9):
aw an advertisement from Massport promoting the international service from Logan. Perhaps a typo but it showed JL departing at 1:00AM.

Big typo - leaves at noon until the clocks are turned forward then its 1:15PM departure

They should also mention that its Santiago, Dominican Republic, Liberia, Costa Rica and Ponta Delgada, Portugal.

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 9):
Has anyone got any ideas how JL,HU loads have been?

I'll give the first split month available on BTS T-100 which was July 2014.

BOS-NRT = 86.1%
BOS-PEK = 88.4 %

More numbers avaiable in Boston Aviation Part 2

Here are August Numbers for new services from airlines than reported on new routes (No EK and HU)

BOS-PTY - 79.7%
BOS-NRT - 85.9%
BOS-IST - 92.8%
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

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Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:05 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 4):
Also S4 BOS-LIS and BOS-TER go to 2 weekly this summer.

The beauty of cheap fuel. Only a couple of years ago they were looking to park their A310's and fold their long haul operations. Now they are increasing service.

Quoting erzr2 (Reply 10):

Interesting list, I could definitely see an AA BOS-MAN (5x weekly?), a NK BOS-ACY (2x weekly), and a IB BOS-BCN (3x weekly) sometime in the future.

MAN-BOS was announced by Thomas Cook for 2016. IB doesn't like to operate long haul from BCN. If they were I think there would be far more routes ahead of BOS for them. Like wise for AA adding a long haul route from BOS.

I mentioned this before, IMO I think we are done as far as TATL service until the A321NEO starts flying. Just like the 787 has proven to be a great aircraft for BOS-Asia, I think the A321NEO will enable a few new TATL routes to secondary airports in Europe.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:16 pm

Quoting erzr2 (Reply 10):
see an AA BOS-MAN (5x weekly?),

I don't think that we will see anymore new service from AA - maybe I'm wrong but that's been the trend. In addition, they already PHL-MAN in the late evening timeframe.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:39 pm

Quoting erzr2 (Reply 10):
a NK BOS-ACY (2x weekly)

Served daily half of the year from second week of March to second week of September. NK knows what they are doing on this one.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):
MAN-BOS was announced by Thomas Cook for 2016.

Not 100% confirmed.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):
I think the A321NEO will enable a few new TATL routes to secondary airports in Europe.

I think there may be some "blue tails" seen in the British Isles by then.
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:43 am

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 14):
I think there may be some "blue tails" seen in the British Isles by then.

Amen!     

Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):
The beauty of cheap fuel. Only a couple of years ago they were looking to park their A310's and fold their long haul operations. Now they are increasing service.

There are a lot of S4 flights from BOS in the summer days - sometimes twice a day. I tried in airlineroute.net but wasn't able to get all the flights - maybe I'm searching it wrong. Does someone have the whole schedule?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:09 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 12):

I mentioned this before, IMO I think we are done as far as TATL service until the A321NEO starts flying. Just like the 787 has proven to be a great aircraft for BOS-Asia, I think the A321NEO will enable a few new TATL routes to secondary airports in Europe.

Maybe not today, but the A321neo is only two years away for AA, it's not impossible to think that Boston will get some more routes with the A321neo, especially as it's the furthest east American airport, and with a distance of 3100 nm BOS-MAN, it gives enough room for a reasonably stiff headwind on the way back and still make it, while airports like PHL it becomes very very close.

I also suspect that Boston will see increased TATL frequencies with A321neos coming out, as airlines try to get a feel for exactly how well they do on TATL flights for passengers and performance.
 
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Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:53 am

Quoting ASA (Reply 15):
There are a lot of S4 flights from BOS in the summer days - sometimes twice a day. I tried in airlineroute.net but wasn't able to get all the flights - maybe I'm searching it wrong. Does someone have the whole schedule?

They are increasing frequencies this year again but only 2 years ago things were not looking good at all and their frequencies were way down. A combination of high fuel costs and a bad economy had the A310's flying very little. Once upon a time they even served OPO from BOS.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:21 pm

Massport released January 2015 numbers

http://www.massport.com/media/301772...vstats-airport-traffic-summary.pdf

International passengers up 19.1%
Domestic up 2.1%
Overall up 4.6%

Loads assuming normal aircraft used

BOS-NRT/PEK - 85.5%

BOS-IST/DXB - 86.8%

BOS-PTY 87.4%
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:51 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 7):
Also - the Massport board met this weeks and terminal shuffling was part of the agenda. I wonder if we hear an announcement shortly on WN moving to A.

It looks like passenger loading bridges are now being installed over at the A9-12 end of the Terminal A main building. Is there any word on whether WN takes gates in the main building or the satellite? DL has been using A5-A8 since CO/UA moved out, but I doubt they could fit their entire operation into the main building given that the widebodies to LHR & AMS tend to block an adjacent gate (and the main building holdrooms are too small for those aircraft as well).
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:57 pm

Southwest will be at A18-A22
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:58 pm

Boston is slightly bigger than Glasgow, and Emirates is fielding double-daily 77Ws to that Scottish city. On the drawing board according to another thread here is whether to go triple-daily or move to the A380. Boston could presumable see a similar trajectory, although I do realize that city size is only one factor. There may be other criteria that push Glasgow over Boston in some meaningful way.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:13 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 21):
There may be other criteria that push Glasgow over Boston in some meaningful way.

Glasgow Metro has a significant population from Indian Subcontinent than BOS and more VFR traffic typically in UK to Australia.

Scots like other Europeans travel longer distances and for longer times for their vacations.
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:48 pm

I am hoping to perhaps see EK or TK operate a 2nd departure daily seasonal from BOS with an early morning arrival 6:00AM and with a departure time of 8:00AM to 9:00AM. Simular to EK's schedule from JFK.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:47 pm

Quoting jcarv (Reply 20):
Southwest will be at A18-A22

So the next question is whether DL reopens the Sky Club in the main terminal building; having the only Sky Club out in the satellite is pretty inconvenient when most flights depart from the main building.

I'd think that having WN out in the satellite should help the restaurants/retailers out there, at least.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 22):
Glasgow Metro has a significant population from Indian Subcontinent than BOS and more VFR traffic typically in UK to Australia.

Scots like other Europeans travel longer distances and for longer times for their vacations.

Not just that, but traveling from BOS to just about anywhere east of India is shorter via a hub in East Asia or the West Coast (the latter primarily for Australia) than it is via DXB. From GLA, all those markets involve flying east, making DXB a competitive connecting option.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:12 pm

Is that the same number of gates they had in E or is that one less?

Will DL use all the gates in the main terminal when complete? Will be interesting to see what jets they put at which gates.
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:23 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 21):
There may be other criteria that push Glasgow over Boston in some meaningful way.

That criteria is called no competition. EK is the only long haul carrier at GLA. To travel East from GLA passengers have 3 options: BA via LHR, KL via AMS, or EK via DXB. Neither LH nor AF serve GLA. How many options do Boston passengers have, to go to Asia? Dozens of daily flights.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:54 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 26):
That criteria is called no competition. EK is the only long haul carrier at GLA. To travel East from GLA passengers have 3 options: BA via LHR, KL via AMS, or EK via DXB. Neither LH nor AF serve GLA. How many options do Boston passengers have, to go to Asia? Dozens of daily flights.

In other words, EK is killing it in GLA ... and NCL, BHX, MAN, etc 

The dynamics at Logan is quite different ... even though, judging the load factors on EK and TK ... we can definitely hope for a second frequency from either in the not-so-distant future.

Unless .... unless ... EY or QR throw a curveball with a shiny new 789 or 359, respectively!   
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:57 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 27):
Unless .... unless ... EY or QR throw a curveball with a shiny new 789 or 359, respectively!

Anyone care to handicap the likelihood of either?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:11 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 28):
Anyone care to handicap the likelihood of either?

With the rapid increase in flights anything is possible.

I wonder if either one of those tries a Transatlantic tag on especially if EY meddles with AZ some more.
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:03 pm

As mentioned in another thread WN will start DAL-BOS 8/9/15

DAL-BOS 8:25-13:00
BOS-DAL 13:35-16:55

Surprised its only one flight - I do wonder if it will go to 2 come November when more improvements are ready at DAL

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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:21 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 29):
With the rapid increase in flights anything is possible.

I wonder if either one of those tries a Transatlantic tag on especially if EY meddles with AZ some more.

A big part of the intl traffic out of BOS is by OneWorld ... that might incite a QR move.

But a TATL tag is more probable by the EY club: AZ (via MXP) or 9W (BRU)?
Or EY (AUH) to compete with EK and TK for Gulf/South/Southeast Asia traffic.

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 30):
As mentioned in another thread WN will start DAL-BOS 8/9/15

DAL-BOS 8:25-13:00
BOS-DAL 13:35-16:55

Congrats to WN and BOS ... sets up for more B6-WN rivalry and possible move to stop VX?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:04 am

Quoting ASA (Reply 31):
possible move to stop VX?

To stop DL in DAL as well.

Quoting ASA (Reply 31):
sets up for more B6-WN rivalry

Starting up again with BWI-FLL on B6 come November

B6 Announces Its Intent to Operate BWI-FLL

I wonder if WN takes a shot at BOS-TPA/FLL/PBI at some point or a Caribbean destination if they have a spare Saturday plane.
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:13 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 31):
A big part of the intl traffic out of BOS is by OneWorld ... that might incite a QR move.

I'd say that all 3 alliances are just as represented. If we're talking TATL coverage I'd argue that *A is actually bigger than OW: *A has LH (FRA/MUC), LX(ZRH), TK(IST) and indirectly S4 which offers a TP codeshare with onward TP connections at LIS agains only 3 OW routes (LHR, CDG, MAD). However when you include JL and soon CX, then OW does have greater overall international marketshare.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:55 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 27):
Unless .... unless ... EY or QR throw a curveball

The Wikipedia site for Logan airport states that Massport is speaking with QR for a flight option into BOS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_I...Expansion_of_international_service

Although there is no citation or anything - it's possible an avid Boston fan might have even added that   although to give credit to Massport they have been able to deliver all their promises for new airline entries into Boston.

One other question while returning back on B6 yesterday - I saw a lounge at Terminal C - is this lounge exclusive for EK passengers only? I don't know of any services offered to B6 preferred customers (called Mosaic) unless B6 comes up with Mint into Boston. What would happen to that lounge when EK returns back to Terminal E after WN moves out to A?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:05 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 34):
The Wikipedia site for Logan airport states that Massport is speaking with QR for a flight option into BOS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_I...Expansion_of_international_service

I'm sure Massport has talked to every airline imaginable with the exception of Air Koryo.
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:13 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 33):
I'd say that all 3 alliances are just as represented. If we're talking TATL coverage I'd argue that *A is actually bigger than OW: *A has LH (FRA/MUC), LX(ZRH), TK(IST) and indirectly S4 which offers a TP codeshare with onward TP connections at LIS agains only 3 OW routes (LHR, CDG, MAD). However when you include JL and soon CX, then OW does have greater overall international marketshare.

As a *A flyer (through UA), it's hard to feel well represented at Logan with no London and no Asian flights. Specifically focusing on Europe, it's not about connections (you go basically anywhere from FRA), it's about direct flights, and on that score the OW lineup of LHR, CDG, MAD is a far better lineup than FRA, MUC and ZRH. Interesting to see your take on S4 and *A. I know lots of UA FFs and no one has ever talked about flying S4 as a TP codeshare to stay in alliance, I will file that thought away.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:02 am

I agree that all 3 alliances and, to a lesser extent, a B6 True Blue member, offer something for the international flyer in BOS. I have to give the edge overall to *A but OW is so close. Having NH or OZ come in would further tip the scales for star while JJ or QR would push it OW's way. B6 would be very wise to get some sort frequent-flier relationship going with HU.

ST: CDG, AMS, LHR, FCO, MEX, various Caribbean

*A: FRA, MUC, ZRH, IST, PTY, various Canadian, DUB and SNN (UA partner Only and could be OW soon)

OW: LHR, CDG, MAD, NRT, HKG, various Caribbean

B6 and friends: DXB, various Caribbean, KEF (two way codeshare coming soon)

Quoting dfambro (Reply 36):
I know lots of UA FFs and no one has ever talked about flying S4 as a TP codeshare to stay in alliance, I will file that thought away.

Good idea. You cannot earn UA miles on a TP coded/S4 metal flight. I'm in that predicament this summer. I signed up for Victoria to earn my 10% of miles flown on S4.

Quoting dfambro (Reply 36):
it's not about connections

Sometimes it is especially when you go from 2 to 1. Do you realize how many new 1-stop itineraries were/will be made possible by BOS-IST, BOS-PEK and BOS-HKG?
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:05 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 34):
One other question while returning back on B6 yesterday - I saw a lounge at Terminal C - is this lounge exclusive for EK passengers only? I don't know of any services offered to B6 preferred customers (called Mosaic) unless B6 comes up with Mint into Boston. What would happen to that lounge when EK returns back to Terminal E after WN moves out to A?

I'm pretty sure that is a B6 lounge, which EK passengers are allowed to use.

Quoting dfambro (Reply 36):

As a *A flyer (through UA), it's hard to feel well represented at Logan with no London and no Asian flights. Specifically focusing on Europe, it's not about connections (you go basically anywhere from FRA), it's about direct flights, and on that score the OW lineup of LHR, CDG, MAD is a far better lineup than FRA, MUC and ZRH.

You're kidding right? MUC and ZRH are often rated the best airports in Europe. Connecting there is far better than LHR, especially on a *A carrier.

Quoting dfambro (Reply 36):
I know lots of UA FFs and no one has ever talked about flying S4 as a TP codeshare to stay in alliance, I will file that thought away.

I do, my father who is a TP frequent flier. You're thinking only about U.S. based *A customers and ignoring European based *A customers.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:22 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 37):
Quoting dfambro (Reply 36):
it's not about connections

Sometimes it is especially when you go from 2 to 1. Do you realize how many new 1-stop itineraries were/will be made possible by BOS-IST, BOS-PEK and BOS-HKG?

Well, the sentence you quoted did read:

Quoting dfambro (Reply 36):
Specifically focusing on Europe, it's not about connections

because you can already 1-stop to essentially anywhere in Europe on both *A and OW. I'm arguing that the menu of non-stops is better on OW.

I give OW a clear edge in Asia with NRT and HKG, which give non-stop to two of the biggest (perhaps the two biggest) Asian destinations from Boston and make a lot of lesser Asian destinations a 1-stop instead of 2. On the *A side with IST, I'm curious to learn what 1-stop connections it enables that weren't already available out of FRA/MUC/ZRH/IAD/EWR.

Yes, MUC and ZRH are nice to connect through. But my point was that LHR, CDG and MAD accomodate much more non-stop traffic than FRA, MUC and ZRH. As for connections, it's not like connecting in LHR on BA is a bad experience. And yes, I am viewing all of this from the perspective of a BOS-based traveller, because that's what I am!

I think OW is way ahead of *A on the whole. I'd say it was more even a few years ago, but not now.

[Edited 2015-02-28 05:27:11]
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:35 pm

I was wondering if BOS has room for another ME3 carrier? I was thinking if QR was interested in serving BOS, would an early morning arrival in BOS 6:00AM and 8:00AM departure to DOH work? Assuming EK or TK donot decide to increase their service from BOS with a simular proposed schedule.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting dfambro (Reply 39):
I'm curious to learn what 1-stop connections it enables that weren't already available out of FRA/MUC/ZRH/IAD/EWR.

My comment was more for Turkey/Africa/Central Asia/Middle-East. Depending on whether you count Turkey as Europe (some do some don't), 1 stop to anywhere in Turkey is a huge add.

There are some Eastern European markets opened up, example KZN in Russia, that are not offered by anyone else 1-stop from BOS. Not all connections are the greatest however.
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:57 pm

SY and AS moving to Terminal C effective tomorrow. WN to officially move to Terminal A on 4/1 (not a joke)

http://www.massport.com/logan-airport/airline-relocations/

Edit- updated with better link, gate information, and WN information.

[Edited 2015-03-03 09:09:38]
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:09 pm

AS and SY will use gates C40 and C41 according to the link. Will jetBlue still retain C42?
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:29 pm

Quoting dfambro (Reply 39):
On the *A side with IST, I'm curious to learn what 1-stop connections it enables that weren't already available out of FRA/MUC/ZRH/IAD/EWR.

Probably a few but that's not the point. A connection is IST is not only cheaper for the consumer but is also far less disruptive on one's biological clock than connecting in LHR/FRA/CDG after only a couple hours of sleep. But to answer your question, TK serves more destinations than any other airline in the World so surely there must be a few. They have a huge network of secondary cities in Russia, Central Asia, and Middle East.

Quoting dfambro (Reply 39):
I think OW is way ahead of *A on the whole. I'd say it was more even a few years ago, but not now.

We'll agree to disagree   I think they are both equivalent on a world-wide basis but for OW, Europe is LHR and little else. *A is much more dominant to Europe where it serves 4 non-stop destinations, daily and year round against OW's only 1 destination daily and year round (CDG is seasonal while MAD is not daily). Even SkyTeam has more daily destinations to Europe than OW. *A has a non-stop to Latin America and OW has zero. OW will have 2 non-stops to Asia while *A has zero.

Let me put it in a simpler way: If you want to fly to a foreign destinations today, non-stop, how many choices do you have on each alliance from BOS?
OW:
LHR, NRT

ST:
CDG, AMS, LHR

*A:
FRA, MUC, ZRH, IST, PTY, YYZ, YUL, YOW, YHZ

I don't know about you but I'm starting to think they are not as equivalent as I first thought, even if we leave off Canada.
So I'd say that yes, absolutely there is room in BOS for QR given how weak OW is for traveling East.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Tue Mar 03, 2015 6:44 pm

Wow - finally this is announced   the link is not working although when it's now in the homepage.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:44 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 44):

ST:
CDG, AMS, LHR

Forgot BDA - important banking destination for some - also FCO is 5 weekly for March so it doesn't fly Tue/Thurs.

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 45):
Wow - finally this is announced   the link is not working although when it's now in the homepage.

Its working now.
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:18 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 44):
Let me put it in a simpler way: If you want to fly to a foreign destinations today, non-stop, how many choices do you have on each alliance from BOS?
OW:
LHR, NRT

ST:
CDG, AMS, LHR

*A:
FRA, MUC, ZRH, IST, PTY, YYZ, YUL, YOW, YHZ

Counting airport codes of tomorrow's flight is pretty misleading. By a significant margin LHR is largest overseas destination from Boston. *A isn't on that route. OW has multiple frequencies, including BOS's only morning departure across the Atlantic. So perhaps you should have listed LHR 3 or 4 times for OW.

It's not as if non-daily and seasonal flights don't count at all, yet you don't count them.

Asia is served by OW and with HKG it's about to be well-served, and (as with LHR) *A has ... nothing.

PTY is a minor destination. Most Latin America traffic is connecting 1-stop to their final destination. No alliance serves the market well from Boston.

*A is clearly best for South Asia with the IST connection. As for the Central Asian cities it opened up by TK, I don't think there's a meaningful PDEW to those destinations.

*A is best for Canada, but those are short flights that don't contribute much to building FF miles, and are the least valuable routes to use FF miles on. Thus they are the easiest routes to break alliance on. Kinda like how *A has no shuttle service to LGA - it doesn't bother me (as a *A flyer) because the mileage is minimal, even though I do more LGA flights than any other single destination. One Asia trip is worth much more than all my LGA trips, and I've got 2-3 Asia trips a year. So I see Canada (and LGA) as irrelevant to a "strongest-alliance" debate.

As I wrote originally, I'm a UA 1K and I'm frustrated by the limited options on *A. I am eyeing OW with jealously because they fly (or are about to fly) non-stop to where people like me actually want to go non-stop - LHR, CDG, NRT, HKG in particular, plus I love the morning LHR option and I break alliance to fly it already. I'm glad we in *A at least have FRA and with UA global upgrades I can get the to-die-for LH 744 F class and F lounges. As for ZRH, well, I just don't see what others see in their J class. To me it feels like sleeping in a coffin, so no thanks for that. So, it's pretty likely I jump ship from *A to OW pretty soon, after being a 1K on UA for a dozen years.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:21 am

Quoting dfambro (Reply 47):
PTY is a minor destination. Most Latin America traffic is connecting 1-stop to their final destination. No alliance serves the market well from Boston.

PTY has potential to flourish with potential New England Business ties.

BOS-Latin American traffic is very spread out too so serving hubs like PTY or BOG makes sense.
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RE: Boston Aviation Part 3

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:40 am

[quote=dvincent,reply=43]

JetBlue keeps C42 until 6/1 when C11 & C16 return to service. Both gates are out due to construction projects within the terminal.

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