FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

3M ECP-MCO MAR 0.8>0.4
3M EYW-PIE APR 0.9>0.6
3M FLL-PIE MAR 1.1>0 APR 1.7>1.3
3M JAX-PNS APR 0.7>0.5

*4B CVN-DFW JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3

4O IAH-MTY MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7 AUG 3>1.7 SEP 3>1.7 OCT 3>1.7

7H KKA-UNK MAR 1.7>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.9 JUL 1.7>0.9 AUG 1.7>0.8 SEP 1.7>0.9 OCT 1.7>0.9

*8I MIA-CMW MAR 0>0.2 APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3
*8I MIA-SNU MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3

9E GFK-TVF MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

AA BOS-CDG OCT 0>0.7
*AA DFW-CRW JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
AA DFW-EZE APR 1.0>0.9 JUL 1.0>0.9
AA DFW-MTY MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5 SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5
AA DFW-SAL MAY 0.8>0.7
AA JFK-EDI OCT 0>0.7
Wasn't this just added?
*AA LAX-CMH MAY 0.8>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
AA LAX-HNL SEP 5>4
AA MIA-CLT APR 5>3
AA MIA-NAS MAY 6>8 JUN 6>8 JUL 6>8 AUG 6>8 SEP 6>8 OCT 6>8
AA ORD-DUS OCT 0>0.7
AA PHL-ORD APR 6>4
AA PHX-ORD APR 5>4

AM FAT-GDL APR 0.4>0.6 MAY 0.4>0.5
AM JFK-MEX JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3
AM LAX-MEX SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
AM ONT-GDL APR 0.5>1.0 JUN 0.6>1.1 JUL 0.5>1.1 AUG 0.6>1.2 SEP 0.5>1.1 OCT 0.6>1.0
AM ONT-MEX MAY 0>0.4
AM SAT-MEX MAY 1.0>1.9 JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.7>1.9 SEP 1.0>1.8 OCT 1.0>1.7
AM SMF-GDL APR 0.9>1.0 MAY 0.8>0.7 JUN 0.9>1.3 JUL 0.9>1.3 AUG 0.8>1.3 SEP 0.9>1.3 OCT 0.8>1.2

AZ ATL-MEX AUG 0>0.3

*B0 EWR-CDG APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

*B6 BOS-MVY JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
*B6 BOS-PAP JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3
B6 JFK-AUA JUN 1.3>1.1

*CM MSY-PTY JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.6 OCT 0>0.6

CX EWR-HKG APR 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.8 OCT 1.0>0.9

CZ JFK-CAN JUN 0.7>0.8 JUL 1.0>1.5 AUG 1.0>1.4 SEP 1.0>1.2
CZ LAX-CAN JUN 1.0>1.2 JUL 1.0>1.6 AUG 1.0>1.6 SEP 1.0>1.2

DL ANC-MSP JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
DL ATL-BSB MAY 1.0>0.8 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.7
DL ATL-FCO MAY 1.0>1.1 JUN 1.0>1.6 JUL 1.0>1.6
DL ATL-FSM MAY 3>1.8 JUN 3>1.9 JUL 3>1.8 AUG 3>1.8 SEP 3>1.9 OCT 3>1.8
DL ATL-JAC SEP 0.4>0.1
DL ATL-LIR SEP 1.0>0.8
DL ATL-PLS SEP 1.0>0.8
DL ATL-PVR AUG 0.5>0.6
DL ATL-SJD SEP 0.4>0.6
DL ATL-SJU JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
DL ATL-SXM AUG 1.2>1.0
DL ATW-MSP APR 4>3
Odd choice...
*DL BOS-MKE JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.8 SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.8
More CVG freq cuts
DL CVG-BDL JUN 2>1.3 JUL 3>1.5 AUG 3>1.4
DL CVG-BWI JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.8 AUG 3>1.7 OCT 3>1.7
DL CVG-CLT APR 3>1.5
DL CVG-GRR JUN 1.2>0.6 JUL 1.4>0.5 AUG 1.4>0.6
DL CVG-MCI JUN 2.0>1.4 JUL 3>1.6 AUG 3>1.5
DL CVG-MKE AUG 3>1.7
DL CVG-PHL JUN 3>1.6 AUG 4>3
DL CVG-RDU AUG 3>1.7
DL CVG-STL AUG 3>1.3
DL CVG-YYZ APR 1.5>0.8 JUN 1.5>0.9 JUL 1.7>0.9 AUG 1.7>0.8
DL DTW-ALB APR 4>3
DL DTW-IND MAY 7>6
DL DTW-PDX APR 0.8>0.6
DL DTW-TUL JUN 1.6>1.0 JUL 1.7>1.0 AUG 1.4>1.0
DL FLL-MSP SEP 0.9>0.1
DL JFK-NCE OCT 0.7>1.0
DL JFK-SXM SEP 1.0>0.7
DL LGA-BGR MAY 4>3
DL LGA-DFW MAY 7>6 SEP 8>7
DL LGA-FLL OCT 5>6
DL LGA-MCO SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
DL LGA-MHT MAY 3>4
DL MEM-LAS APR 0.3>0.2
DL MSP-MSY MAY 2.0>1.0
DL SEA-CVG MAY 0.8>0.3
DL SLC-PVR JUN 0.3>0.6 JUL 0.2>0.5 AUG 0.2>0.4
DL SLC-SJD JUN 0.6>0.7 JUL 0.5>0.7 SEP 0.4>0.6

JQ HNL-SYD OCT 0.8>0.9

KE DFW-ICN APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 0.9>0.7

KX MIA-GCM MAY 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
KX TPA-GCM MAR 0.7>0.9 APR 0.7>1.0 MAY 0.7>1.1 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0 AUG 0.7>1.0 SEP 0.7>0.9 OCT 0.7>1.0

MW ITO-OGG APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0

OJ JFK-KIN MAR 0.8>0.7

R3 ANC-PKC AUG 0>0.2

S4 BOS-LIS JUL 0.2>0.3 AUG 0.1>0.3
S4 BOS-PDL JUL 0.5>0.7 AUG 0.6>0.7
S4 BOS-TER JUL 0.2>0.3 AUG 0.1>0.3

SY MCO-MSP OCT 0>1.0
SY MSP-RSW OCT 0>1.0

TCX JFK-MAN JUL 0>0.4
TCX LAS-MAN JUL 0>0.3
TCX MCO-GLA JUL 0>0.3
TCX MCO-MAN JUL 0>0.5
TCX MIA-MAN JUL 0>0.3

UA DEN-BZN JUL 3>4
UA DEN-GJT JUN 5>6
UA DEN-OMA JUN 4>5
*UA DEN-SUN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.9
UA EWR-AUS JUL 5>3 AUG 5>4
UA EWR-BDA SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.4
UA EWR-BON OCT 0.4>0.2
UA EWR-LIR JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.4
UA EWR-POS JUN 0.1>0
UA EWR-YYZ JUL 7>5 AUG 7>6
UA IAD-HSV JUN 1.5>0.9
UA IAH-AGU JUL 1.0>1.1
UA IAH-ELP JUN 6>5
UA IAH-LBB JUL 4>3
UA IAH-MFE JUL 9>8
UA IAH-MLM JUL 1.0>1.1
UA IAH-RNO JUL 1.0>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.2
UA IAH-VER JUL 2>3
UA IAH-VSA JUL 1.0>1.1
UA LAX-BJX JUL 2>3
UA LAX-DFW JUN 3>2
UA LAX-LIH JUN 1.9>1.1 JUL 2>1.1 AUG 1.5>1.1
UA LAX-PHX JUL 4>3
*UA MSY-CUN MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.2
UA ORD-MSY JUL 4>3
UA ORD-OKC JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
UA ORD-PHX JUL 3>2
UA SFO-LIH JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
UA SFO-PVR OCT 0.2>0.4
UA SFO-SBP MAY 3>2
UA SFO-SJD AUG 0.8>1.0
*UA SFO-SUN JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.9

*US CLT-ABQ JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0
US CLT-MBJ APR 3>4
US CLT-MEX SEP 0.0>0.2
US PHL-CRW JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2

WG FLL-YYZ APR 0.4>0.3

*WN DAL-CMH APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*WN DAL-ECP MAY 0.2>1.0 JUN 0.2>1.1 JUL 0.3>1.1
*WN DAL-IND APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*WN DAL-MEM APR 0>1.5 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
*WN DAL-MKE APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*WN DAL-OAK MAY 1.0>1.8 JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>1.9
*WN DAL-PDX APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*WN DAL-SEA APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*WN DAL-SJC APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
*WN DAL-SMF APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN DAL-SNA MAY 1.0>1.8 JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2
WN FLL-DAL MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
WN MCO-ABQ MAY 0.2>1.0
*WN MDW-SNA JUL 0>1.0
*WN SEA-SNA JUL 0>2

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *AA DFW-CRW JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): US PHL-CRW JUN 1.0>1.9 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2

Arguably not surprising - it was just a single daily CRJ DFW-CRW, and the combo of CLT and PHL, plus DCA, is probably fine to adequately serve CRW.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *AA LAX-CMH MAY 0.8>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

With all the cross-scheduling at LAX, I'm curious if AA is truly exiting this market or just shifting it to operate via USAirways. At least as of right now, I still see the daily USAirways A319 operating the route into the fall.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): UA LAX-DFW JUN 3>2

Yikes - 2x daily, still with CR7? A far cry from the 3x daily A319 when the route started, and I'd submit not really competitive with the frequency or product offered by Delta or Southwest, let alone AA.

Love seeing CLT-ABQ added to our route map. Goes to show how much of a powerhouse CLT is. Like to see even more dots connected. GEG, ICT, FAR(Sat only) etc..

With all the expansion that is planned from CLT. Plenty of room for the new American. Bright future ahead.

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Reply 2): Love seeing CLT-ABQ added to our route map. Goes to show how much of a powerhouse CLT is. Like to see even more dots connected. GEG, ICT, FAR(Sat only) etc.. With all the expansion that is planned from CLT. Plenty of room for the new American. Bright future ahead.

IMO, I'd be surprised if ABQ lasted beyond the summer, or returned next year. Just sayin'.

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Reply 2): Love seeing CLT-ABQ added to our route map. Goes to show how much of a powerhouse CLT is. Like to see even more dots connected. GEG, ICT, FAR(Sat only) etc..

ABQ has been talked about since the HP/US merger. Took a while. I doubt that GEG or FAR will see CLT service anytime soon, ICT also seems like a very long shot with its relative proximity to ORD and DFW.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *DL BOS-MKE JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.8 SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.8

I guess this better suits MKE originating passengers too with the morning departure.

BOS-MKE 19:20-21:02 x6 on CR9
MKE BOS 07:10 -10:26 x6 on CR9

They must have brought out the Delta dartboard last week.

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Reply 2): Like to see even more dots connected. GEG, ICT, FAR(Sat only) etc.. With all the expansion that is planned from CLT. Plenty of room for the new American. Bright future ahead.

CID-CLT would be a potential add in my opinion with the CRJ. The addition of CLT-DSM a while back worked out very well for US apparently with the fights upgraded to CR9's.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *WN MDW-SNA JUL 0>1.0 *WN SEA-SNA JUL 0>2

Lots of LUV for SNA with the addition of HOU recently as well as PVR pending government approval.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): WN MCO-ABQ MAY 0.2>1.0

Seasonal IIRC.

Quoting commavia (Reply 1): it was just a single daily CRJ DFW-CRW

This may have had weight restrictions due to CRW's terrain/runway length and relatively long flight to DFW.

[Edited 2015-02-15 14:46:28]

Honestly I'm quite surprised that UA has decided to put its MSY-CUN authority to use (and using a 737-900 at that). Between DL, UA, Vacation Express, and Branson Air Express all flying MSY-CUN this summer, something has to give. Great for the consumer though, I guess.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *CM MSY-PTY JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.6 OCT 0>0.6

Proposed schedule:


CM 498.........PTY 18:33............MSY 22:02.........Ex Tu, Th, Sa...........73G
CM 499.........MSY 06:55............PTY 10:19.........Ex We, Fr, Su...........73G
Effective: June 24th


Regards.

Quoting compensateme (Reply 3): IMO, I'd be surprised if ABQ lasted beyond the summer, or returned next year. Just sayin'.

What does
'
' "just sayin" mean after you have made a statement? Does it mean not to take the statement seriously?

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 9): ' "just sayin" mean after you have made a statement? Does it mean not to take the statement seriously?

   

Just a lighthearted way of writing something.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 6):

Oh yeah! Didn't even think of CID. I remember when DSM started in March of 2012 I think. Started with a CRJ2, quickly upgraded to a CRJ7, then a CRJ 900. Also in Sept of 2014 CLT sent DSM an A319! Cool stuff.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 4): ABQ has been talked about since the HP/US merger. Took a while.

I was surprised US never flew it before the AA merger, and I'm equally surprised to see them add it now. It seems like it would only cannibalize traffic that would otherwise flow over mostly DFW, and somewhat ORD. Perhaps they feel that having AAs reasonably large FF base in ABQ will make the route work.

Quoting compensateme (Reply 3): IMO, I'd be surprised if ABQ lasted beyond the summer,

I think it could be a Summer seasonal route. Winter, no way.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 6): Lots of LUV for SNA with the addition of HOU recently as well as PVR pending government approval.

Lot of slots to tie up so nobody else gets them.

Quoting SunsetLimited (Reply 7): Honestly I'm quite surprised that UA has decided to put its MSY-CUN authority to use

You listed the reasons why. It's because the other guys are flying it.

Quoting enilria (Reply 13): Lot of slots to tie up so nobody else gets them.

Ummm... people have had plenty of chances to get slots and they've passed at every opportunity.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 6): This may have had weight restrictions due to CRW's terrain/runway length and relatively long flight to DFW.

Epic weight restrictions like you've never heard of before.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 6): CID-CLT would be a potential add in my opinion with the CRJ. The addition of CLT-DSM a while back worked out very well for US apparently with the fights upgraded to CR9's.

Quoting compensateme (Reply 10): Oh yeah! Didn't even think of CID. I remember when DSM started in March of 2012 I think. Started with a CRJ2, quickly upgraded to a CRJ7, then a CRJ 900. Also in Sept of 2014 CLT sent DSM an A319! Cool stuff.

would definitely love to see a CID-CLT flight, even if it was on a CRJ. A daily 1x CR7 would even be nice, early out to CLT and late return. AA is pretty strong here, I know the airport commission has been trying to talk to AA about starting this.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *DL BOS-MKE JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.8 SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.8

BOS-MKE is an old NWA route. Must of dragged it out of the closet.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 16): Quoting enilria (Thread starter): US CLT-ABQ JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 Didn't see that coming. On the one hand, it adds another needed western U.S. market to CLT. But overflying DFW is surprising. US never flew this pre-merger, did they?

Pre-merger US dropped ABQ, AUS, SAT, MLB and DAB in the fall of 1996 shortly after the first name change. The western three were served from PIT, with AUS and SAT either being flown on a triangle, or via DFW. The rest previously resumed.

As for CLT-DSM, a lot of the success of that has to do with Wells Fargo having big operations in both cities.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): AZ ATL-MEX AUG 0>0.3

DL codeshare I'd assume? Or is AZ going to fly a 5th freedom tag?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): MW ITO-OGG APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0

Quick withdrawl, must not been a real abysmal failure, usually MW takes the time to mature a market before exiting.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): R3 ANC-PKC AUG 0>0.2

Is this new, or something that has operated before? What aircraft type does this operate with? For that matter who is R3?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *WN DAL-PDX APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 *WN DAL-SEA APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *WN SEA-SNA JUL 0>2

New adds for the N.W. are welcome, I'm wondering if NK will remain on PDX-DFW seasonally, with this new WN add?

Interesting add for WN, I guess those who speculated WN wasn't messing with the mele in Seattle, here ya go!

[Edited 2015-02-15 17:42:36]

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 5): I guess this better suits MKE originating passengers too with the morning departure. BOS-MKE 19:20-21:02 x6 on CR9 MKE BOS 07:10 -10:26 x6 on CR9

Southwest's MKE-BOS-MKE schedule has been fairly changeable and often not so good for MKE-originating business traffic. For example the spring schedule's first MKE-BOS departure is after 11:00am, and the latest return BOS-MKE is about 3:30pm. Delta probably sees a good amount of MKE-BOS traffic already.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20):

NK PDX-DFW is currently still in the schedules as 1x daily. PDX has had quite the boom in Texas service:
AS is going 2x daily PDX-DFW
AA 5x daily PDX-DFW this coming summer with a new red eye
WN 1x daily PDX-DAL coming online soon
NK 1x daily started last year
WN 1x daily PDX-HOU started last year
WN 1X daily PDX-AUS is returning
UA I believe is 4x daily PDX-IAH this summer

Waiting for AS to jump into PDX-AUS for the tech traffic.

[Edited 2015-02-15 19:34:15]

[Edited 2015-02-15 20:01:16]

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 17):

That would be a big deal for CID. A real east coast link would prove extremely useful. There are SO many in the Midwest markets that would love options other than the dreaded O'Hare. I would also look to see more DL CR9s and potentially the 717 from ATL.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 21): Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 5):I guess this better suits MKE originating passengers too with the morning departure. BOS-MKE 19:20-21:02 x6 on CR9 MKE BOS 07:10 -10:26 x6 on CR9 Southwest's MKE-BOS-MKE schedule has been fairly changeable and often not so good for MKE-originating business traffic. For example the spring schedule's first MKE-BOS departure is after 11:00am, and the latest return BOS-MKE is about 3:30pm. Delta probably sees a good amount of MKE-BOS traffic already.

Took a quick look, and with Delta adding MKE-BOS, Southwest adding MKE-DAL and Alaska adding MKE-SEA, Ten of Milwaukee's twenty top markets have two or more nonstop carriers. Not bad considering the size of the market and the non-hub status.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): UA IAD-HSV JUN 1.5>0.9

Another week, another UA IAD cut.

Quoting jcarv (Reply 18): BOS-MKE is an old NWA route. Must of dragged it out of the closet.

Back then I believe they were sending CRJs up against YX's 717s.

Quoting izbtmnhd (Reply 25): Another week, another UA IAD cut.

Remember, these threads compare what was loaded into the system from one week to the next.

If you compare the upcoming spring & summer schedules for UA, it's pretty much stagnant (in terms of flights & pure capacity) compared to last year. Toss in the additional flight to CDG (operated with 757), it'll grow in terms of ASM.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *B0 EWR-CDG APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0

Who is this?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): More CVG freq cuts DL CVG-BDL JUN 2>1.3 JUL 3>1.5 AUG 3>1.4 DL CVG-BWI JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.8 AUG 3>1.7 OCT 3>1.7 DL CVG-CLT APR 3>1.5 DL CVG-GRR JUN 1.2>0.6 JUL 1.4>0.5 AUG 1.4>0.6 DL CVG-MCI JUN 2.0>1.4 JUL 3>1.6 AUG 3>1.5 DL CVG-MKE AUG 3>1.7 DL CVG-PHL JUN 3>1.6 AUG 4>3 DL CVG-RDU AUG 3>1.7 DL CVG-STL AUG 3>1.3 DL CVG-YYZ APR 1.5>0.8 JUN 1.5>0.9 JUL 1.7>0.9 AUG 1.7>0.8

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): Wasn't this just added? *AA LAX-CMH MAY 0.8>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Metal switch to US. I think US is currently operating it and will keep operating it.

Quoting ana787 (Reply 22): NK PDX-DFW is currently still in the schedules as 1x daily. PDX has had quite the boom in Texas service

This is for the summer only, if I'm not mistaken. I do see that PDX has quite a few adds to Texas, it's amazing how many people I know here that are from that area of the world.

Quoting ana787 (Reply 22): AS is going 2x daily PDX-DFW

Didm't know that, must be working for them, which is good. It started wen ATL did, at least DFW lasted.

Quoting ana787 (Reply 22): AA 5x daily PDX-DFW this coming summer with a new red eye

Aren't they 5 x daily summer yearly? IIRC. the red-eye is a summer staple with better aircraft utilization.

Quoting ana787 (Reply 22): NK 1x daily started last year

Not Quite 1 year ago, try nearly 3 years. Here is a cut & pate of my Itinerary:

YOUR CONFIRMATION CODE

Z2L93L

BOOKING DATE Thursday, April 19, 2012 (Was the date the route was announced & sales were amazing)

Flight

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2012 TIME FLIGHT
Portland, OR 12:40 AM 458
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX 6:25 AM A-319


WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2012
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX 11:00 PM 875
Portland, OR 12:50 AM+1 Airbus A-319

Purchase Price for both passengers:

Base Fare $33.48
Passenger Usage Fee (Carrier Fee) $35.96
September 11th Security Fee $10.00
Passenger Facility Fee $18.00
Segment Fee $15.20
US Transportation Tax $2.52

Total $115.16 - Total for the two in your party

Quoting ana787 (Reply 22): Waiting for AS to jump into PDX-AUS for the tech traffic.

Wouldn't that be a route perfect for the E-175s they have coming? well at least to start with, i would say that it is safe to bet this route is on the going to happen someday list. Just how far up it is, remains to be seen. I guess with DL & to a lesser extent WN nipping at theoir heels in certain markets, I'm sure the strategy has changed over the last couple years now, hence the E-175s IMO.

With AA adding CLT to ABQ look like some here were wrong on two accounts. CLT isn't shrinking and AA's merger with US wasn't about reducing capacity. Unlike DL and UA. It was about creating an airline large enough to compete with DL and UA.

Quoting MVAair (Reply 31): With AA adding CLT to ABQ look like some here were wrong on two accounts. CLT isn't shrinking and AA's merger with US wasn't about reducing capacity.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I remember when DL+NW was followed by the "MEM and CVG will remain hubs" mantra for several years.....

-Dave

[quote=PlanesNTrains,reply=32][/quotes
When other carriers close their hubs like CVG, MEM and CLE it makes CLT more viable. At this point industry loads are so high that cuttng more hubs will just spill profitable traffic.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 32): "MEM and CVG will remain hubs"

Unlike MEM & CVG, which were duplicates of a more important hub within the DL network, each AA / US hub is unique.
Even PHX, which by just looking at a map seems replaceable, is one of the fastest growing USA urban agglomerations, with lots of O&D to the Midwest & Northeast as well as California.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 26): Back then I believe they were sending CRJs up against YX's 717s.

Yup, in the most recent incarnation it was CRJ's

1. NW flew MKE-BOS nonstop 1x/day through the 70's and until about 1982 as part of MSP-MKE-BOS with 727, 72S or DC10.

2. NW flew MKE-BOS nonstop 2x/day with the MKE mini-hum from 1988 until 1992 with 72S or D9S.

3. NW few MKE-BOS nonstop 2003-2006, first with A319 (on a MKE-originating 1x schedule nearly identical to this new one) and then with 2x/CRJ instead.

If I'm counting right NW/DL flew Milwaukee-Boston nonstop about 1/3 of the time over the last 27 years. So not a market without precedent, but neither a market which has had long-term success before. Perhaps current circumstances will change that.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 29): Metal switch to US. I think US is currently operating it and will keep operating it.

Figured that might be the case. Guess we'll see for sure after this weekend.

Quoting MVAair (Reply 31): With AA adding CLT to ABQ look like some here were wrong on two accounts. CLT isn't shrinking and AA's merger with US wasn't about reducing capacity.

Think it's a bit earlier to declare "victory" on who was "right" or "wrong." In this case, it's certainly true - quite as many predicted - that CLT is benefiting from the halo effect of being integrated into a far larger network and seeing additions to some markets, mostly in the central U.S., that were not viable absent the combined heft of the new airline (such as GRR, EVV, now ABQ, etc.). On the flip side - also just as many predicted - CLT has been shedding international routes, including several of the marginal, low-yielding seasonal Europe flights few expected to last more than one season, and all nonstop access to South America. And personally, once cross-scheduling of widebodies is feasible, I expect CLT to shed more longhaul capacity still, as one or multiple routes - I expect FRA and CDG, personally - move to 763s.

CLT is certainly not going to lose the hub - it's far too strong and attractive a market for that - but I continue to believe that it will see some (additional) capacity reduction in the coming years as the overall combined network is optimized and rationalized.

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 14): Quoting enilria (Reply 13): Lot of slots to tie up so nobody else gets them. Ummm... people have had plenty of chances to get slots and they've passed at every opportunity.

Yes, but once WN grabs a slot, it is pretty much their's, depending upon the type.

Quoting jcarv (Reply 18): Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *DL BOS-MKE JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>0.9 AUG 0>0.8 SEP 0>0.9 OCT 0>0.8 BOS-MKE is an old NWA route. Must of dragged it out of the closet.

There is something odd about that route. I would assume it is for a corporate contract. B6 mustn't like it much.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20): Quoting enilria (Thread starter): AZ ATL-MEX AUG 0>0.3 DL codeshare I'd assume? Or is AZ going to fly a 5th freedom tag?

Probably an error

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20): Quoting enilria (Thread starter): R3 ANC-PKC AUG 0>0.2 Is this new, or something that has operated before? What aircraft type does this operate with? For that matter who is R3?

It's a Russian airline I think. They just extended the season.

Quoting izbtmnhd (Reply 25): Quoting enilria (Thread starter): UA IAD-HSV JUN 1.5>0.9 Another week, another UA IAD cut.

Puts more perspective on the complete deletion of HSV a few weeks ago and then reversal. Perhaps a harbinger.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28): Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *B0 EWR-CDG APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 Who is this?

Isn't it that all J class airline?

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Reply 2): Love seeing CLT-ABQ added to our route map. Goes to show how much of a powerhouse CLT is. Like to see even more dots connected. GEG, ICT, FAR(Sat only) etc..

GEG-CLT? Even GEG-PHX gets just one or two AA a day. Put another way... Is there a GEG-ATL? How many cities does AA serve from CLT that DL does NOT serve from ATL?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): AA PHL-ORD APR 6>4

Well combined frequency was slashed on PHL-ORD from 14 on 2/16 to 9 on 4/27, though the RJ's are gone and there are multiple 752/321's scheduled.

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 38): GEG-CLT? Even GEG-PHX gets just one or two AA a day. Put another way... Is there a GEG-ATL? How many cities does AA serve from CLT that DL does NOT serve from ATL?

GEG isn't even served from DFW which would come long before CLT.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): *AA DFW-CRW JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

This is a huge disappointment. I have a client that uses this flight very frequently.

Quoting commavia (Reply 36):

CLT has shed some international routes. The 2 Europeans were doomed from the start. BRU, LIS. I really see MAN coming back online in 2016 or 2017 on a 763. Even though we've lost routes, our capacity to Europe is actually more than last year. Honestly, rather have all A330s flying across the pond and sacrifice the smaller euro cities.

Quoting enilria (Reply 37):

Delta's MKE-BOS is timed for MKE originating pax. B6 doesn't fly the route and doesn't care about pax originating from the side that's not BOS for potential routes out of BOS it could add. Southwest still has the lock on early morning flight service on BOS-MKE with ample seats at low fares likely dampening prospects for B6 currently.

[Edited 2015-02-16 08:29:09]

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28): Who is this?

La Compagnie

Quoting JetBlueCLT (Reply 41):

The international routes cut from CLT had nothing to do with AA and rerouting traffic via MIA or JFK.

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 42): B6 doesn't fly the route and doesn't care about pax originating from the side that's not BOS for potential routes out of BOS it could add.

I'm sure it is on their radar. It's not that crazy for them to fly. I'm just saying that B6 is very protective of BOS. I'm sure they don't like DL sniffing around point to point opportunities.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter): DL ATL-BSB MAY 1.0>0.8 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.7

This is an odd change. First DL added seats by switching from 757 to 767, then it reduced seats by making it 5 x week.

What is going on? Is TAM's new BSB-MCO going to eat DL's turkey leg?

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 47): Your comment about victory and defeat is apt, I think, as the two trends aren't really related.

"If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster, and treat those two impostors just the same..."

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 47): The third trend that will take some more time to develop is what happens as 50-seaters leave the combined fleet. The jury is still out on how that will affect CLT as far as seats or ASMs, I think, although the fact that, unlike ORD, virtually all of CLT's 50-seater routes aren't competitive and thus don't need a frequency fight is probably worth nothing. Frequencies will likely go down with seats more or less flat in many places.

Personally, I still contend that the net effect - of overall network rationalization/optimization, 50-seaters being parked, international changes, etc. - will be fewer flights and fewer seats for CLT. But I do not now, nor have I ever, thought CLT was in any danger of losing the hub.

Quoting enilria (Reply 45): I'm sure it is on their radar. It's not that crazy for them to fly. I'm just saying that B6 is very protective of BOS. I'm sure they don't like DL sniffing around point to point opportunities.

They get defensive over NK/WN for sure but for the most part they instigate the legacy airlines in BOS:

Case in point: launching BOS-DTW in March 2014 made DL go berserk and launch a few money losing routes (i.e running BOS-PLS in August and switching an monopoly BOS-ORF to a route with two carriers on it: BOS-RIC).

It may get interesting if AA/US decides to expand in BOS.