Love all the crazies and 'patriots' coming out of the woodwork in this thread. Most who are quick to criticize EK
have never flown on them before, have never flown on the A380 before, and/or do not fly regularly on international long-haul (TATL, North America-ME/Australia, etc) routes. Fly to DXB
on both an EK
A380 and a DL
772 in coach and then tell me that you'd rather spend more money to fly the same route on a DL
product that isn't as good. If it was just that EK
had a better product or just that it was cheaper, sure, I'm all for patriotism, but when it's a superior product that's ALSO cheaper, it's hard to argue against it. And save the speech about ME government subsidies to their airlines; I'm all set, thanks.
|Quoting Kashmon (Reply 18):|
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
pretty sure EK wants to be friends with AA...
but hates DL....
imo AA has played its cards the best, focusing on domestic /Europe and South America while basically outsourcing Asian/ME markets.
Not sure about friends with AA
but I know they definitely don't get along with DL
. The whole DL
CEO bringing up ME airlines and 9/11 bit doesn't really imply they want to be BFF's. I do know that EK
has a strong relationship with both Qantas and Alaska (AS), and those two have strong codeshare/FF relationships with both each other and with AA
, so you can connect some of the dots.
|Quoting seahawk (Reply 21):|
Lucky Italy. I would wish for EK to open routes from Germany to the US.
Me too! Hell, I wish EK
would fly Europe to Toronto, Vancouver, LAX
. I'd love an option other than super overpriced summer flights on the US/Canadian/Euro legacies, especially during a time of record profits and extremely cheap oil. I have no sympathy for US/Canadian/Euro legacies when they are raking in the money and airfare isn't going down.
|Quoting RWA380 (Reply 29):|
There has been a persistent rumor that has come from a few different sources I have in, or close to AS, that when AS inked their deal with EK, is the same time the AS/DL relationship soured beyond repair & DL went & did their own thing.
This was a prevalent rumor within both DL
pilot groups, and that I can speak to from experience. A few years ago when AS
cemented their partnership with EK
, they were still fairly close to DL
has a history of being an independent airline that has resisted calls from others (especially DL
) for increasingly closer partnership. I sincerely doubt the AS
-EK partnership had much to do with DL
's current siege of SEA
but it did go some way towards alienating DL
, who saw it as a slap in the face (or, as some DL
pilots said to me verbatim, as 'cheating' or having an affair with the enemy).
Why? You don't like competition that results in cheaper fares for consumers? Have you ever flown an EK
A380 anywhere and compared it to the current UA
763 on this route? Let me know how you like that.
That would be a dream come true.
|Quoting jmdc861 (Reply 45):|
And I hope there are more "slaps in the face" to come for DL/AA/UA from EK and others.
Me too. Sometimes it takes a good kick in the rear to 'motivate' and provide a reality check. If DL
/AA/UA were struggling then I'd feel empathy of some sort, but they are not. They're bringing in huge profits and benefiting from low oil prices, yet they haven't noticeably reduced international fares with the decline in oil prices and their profits continue to rise each quarter. I'd rather punch them in the face than slap them at the moment, but I'll take whatever I can get.
|Quoting jmdc861 (Reply 45):|
Lead by the arrogant Delta with its creation of lobbying groups like "Airlines for America" they have been very successful heretofore in bullying airlines like BW in the Caribbean.
's arrogance isn't unique but they are definitely competing for the title of ringleader with some of the things they've done recently, like the massive changes to their FF
programmes that have effectively alienated a lot of formerly loyal customers, and some of the things the DL
CEO has said recently about ME carriers. I still like DL
a lot and I think their international product (in coach and business) is the best of any US airline, but the EK
CEO had a point recently when he said that US airlines should focus more on self improvement right now if they want to compete, not on bitching and moaning or offering a sub-par product and hoping that politics and lobbying will protect them from foreign competition.
|Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 47):|
...How do they treat their customers like garbage? Just because the American airlines don't have as much money as the ME3 to put toward their planes' onboard amenities they're treating their customers like garbage?
Have you ever flown transatlantic or to Asia on UA
? I hate to tell you but they were ranked one of the worst in recent years for a reason. I stopped flying UA
two years ago after repeated experiences as a business class passenger on international flights where the overall customer service (on board and off) was horrible, my bags were repeatedly lost, and the product on board was 'sub-par' at best, horrendous in most cases. I'd call this the definition of treating customers like garbage, and UA
has had a reputation for that over the last few years.