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Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:49 pm

F9 will announce 10 new Atlanta routes tomorrow at an event with Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed and airline President Barry Biffle. http://www.atlantaga.gov//index.aspx..._source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

This adds to the thought that Spirit and F9 are taking much of the low cost market once held by AirTran. Last week, Spirit Airlines announced 9 new destinations from Atlanta.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:23 pm

So what routes do we think will be announced? I could see CVG, LAX, MSP, MSY, PHX, SLC, SFO, SEA, and/or STL. And just to get to 10 guesses, I'll throw in CUN.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:35 pm

There is no understanding F9's leadership. You lose a 3-way battle in DEN with UA and WN. So what do you do next? You decide to fight the same losing battle in an over crowded ATL against DL and WN. Not very bright.
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:42 pm

Quoting BravoEchoNov (Thread starter):
This adds to the thought that Spirit and F9 are taking much of the low cost market once held by AirTran. Last week, Spirit Airlines announced 9 new destinations from Atlanta.

wait a minute I thought "southwest had began a push" in ATL???

I thought Southwest was expanding in ATL
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:44 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):
There is no understanding F9's leadership. You lose a 3-way battle in DEN with UA and WN. So what do you do next? You decide to fight the same losing battle in an over crowded ATL against DL and WN. Not very bright.

I would be hesitant to book anything F9 considering the quick pull of the Memphis Dallas flights. I would want to see some route stability before I'd book cause I book a bit out when planning trips as I'm not a business traveler.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:48 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):
There is no understanding F9's leadership. You lose a 3-way battle in DEN with UA and WN. So what do you do next? You decide to fight the same losing battle in an over crowded ATL against DL and WN. Not very bright.

Sure, the "old" Frontier lost a 3 way battle in DEN, but the "new" Frontier will happily be able to coexist with them. NK will be the real battle.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:54 pm

Quoting spinkid (Reply 6):
Sure, the "old" Frontier lost a 3 way battle in DEN, but the "new" Frontier will happily be able to coexist with them. NK will be the real battle.

They are in the business of running 1 flight a day between markets and skimming the fares off the bottom of the barrel.
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:57 pm

Quoting BravoEchoNov (Thread starter):
This adds to the thought that Spirit and F9 are taking much of the low cost market once held by AirTran. Last week, Spirit Airlines announced 9 new destinations from Atlanta.

They are. WN has left a lot LCC traffic behind.

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):
There is no understanding F9's leadership. You lose a 3-way battle in DEN with UA and WN. So what do you do next? You decide to fight the same losing battle in an over crowded ATL against DL and WN. Not very bright.

Good point. ATL is tougher then DEN because DL is stronger than UA.

Quoting g500 (Reply 4):
wait a minute I thought "southwest had began a push" in ATL???

I thought Southwest was expanding in ATL

No one said they were expanding. They are getting more local traffic and at a much higher fare than FL did.

Quoting WaywardMemphian (Reply 5):
I would be hesitant to book anything F9 considering the quick pull of the Memphis Dallas flights. I would want to see some route stability before I'd book cause I book a bit out when planning trips as I'm not a business traveler.

They are more unstable than Spirit.

One thing this shows is that ATL will never be a DL fortress hub like CLT for AA or MSP for DL.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:58 pm

Wow! NK I could see and see it coming for a while. This I did not see from F9 coming at all. They really have some BIG ones taking on DL, WN and in some regards NK! More power to them but it really seems like a dumb move. Seems like they could find easier lower hanging fruit on the vine somewhere else?! Like MEM, CMH, PIT, MSY, OKC, etc.

Should be interesting to see where they choose and also see how quickly DL sends in the spare 757's!
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:02 am

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 9):
They really have some BIG ones taking on DL, WN and in some regards NK!

Dont look at it that way. They are going for discretionary traffic on low frequencies. DL hasnt grown domestically in ATL, putting all their ASMs in SEA instead. The result is DL has 85-88% load factors in ATL and is spilling traffic. The industry is like that. Focus on one area and something else pops up. Mostly F9 and NK will stimulate new traffic rather than steal from WN and DL.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:03 am

BTW my guess is these 10 new markets will end up being less than 10 daily flights in total
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:08 am

Does the "10 new routes" include already-announced but not-yet-started flying, like IND and MIA?
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:17 am

I believe the 10 routes will include markets previously announced but not yet started like IND, AUS, MIA and CVG. I will be surprised if it's more than 5 new route announcements tomorrow. Hopefully, I'm pleasantly surprised.
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:03 am

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 13):

I believe the 10 routes will include markets previously announced but not yet started like IND, AUS, MIA and CVG. I will be surprised if it's more than 5 new route announcements tomorrow. Hopefully, I'm pleasantly surprised.

My thoughts exactly.

Quoting deltadawg (Reply 9):
Wow! NK I could see and see it coming for a while. This I did not see from F9 coming at all. They really have some BIG ones taking on DL, WN and in some regards NK! More power to them but it really seems like a dumb move. Seems like they could find easier lower hanging fruit on the vine somewhere else?! Like MEM, CMH, PIT, MSY, OKC, etc.

Those would be some nice adds.

Do you think F9 will try to do build up connections through ATL? I know some the previous routes announced have connecting options or one stops. IND-ATL-MIA and IAD-ATL-AUS
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:14 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):
There is no understanding F9's leadership. You lose a 3-way battle in DEN with UA and WN. So what do you do next? You decide to fight the same losing battle in an over crowded ATL against DL and WN. Not very bright.

They're making a lot of money. That's quite bright.

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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:22 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):

Yea, I don't see this working out. There will come a point when DL will become annoyed and strike back. Frontier is all over the place and i still am not convinced these ATL flights are a good idea. Just my opinion.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:24 am

Would Frontier ever come to MHT in New Hampshire?
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:25 am

This would be a great time for B6 to jump back into ATL! DL will be so busy fighting with NK and F9
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:26 am

I wish them the best! NK seems to be able to handle the 800 lb. gorilla at DFW and NK and F9 seem to hold their own in Chicago with UA, AA, and WN. But DL in ATL, they may strike back.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:53 am

The press release at the link is worded this way

Frontier Airlines currently offers flights to six destinations from Hartfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport and will add 10 new routes for non-stop passenger service.

That sounds like 16 total. We already have these eleven, yes?
DEN
TTN
ORD
CLE
PHL
CVG
IND
MIA
MCO ("seasonal")
AUS
IAD

If I had to guess...
MCI, STL, MSY, MSP, LAS
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:55 am

With NK and F9 expanding at ATL...DL is in for a rude awakening...   

...In terms of price and competition of course.  

[Edited 2015-02-23 17:55:51]

[Edited 2015-02-23 17:56:49]
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:55 am

Quoting MVAair (Reply 8):
Good point. ATL is tougher then DEN because DL is stronger than UA.

But the ATL market is larger than the DEN market, so there might be more market share to be divided in general. Even if F9 and NK get some small percentage each, they might be content. What I feel is missing is F9 and NK having enough NYC/LGA airport slot pairs to offer nonstops into NYC from ATL though.

Quoting DDR (Reply 16):
There will come a point when DL will become annoyed and strike back.

I think that if that happens, Frontier might consider alternate airports again, using one primary airport on one end though. Like if DL strikes on CLE-ATL, maybe F9 would consider YNG-ATL. Or possibly it just cools off of DL hub ATL/MSP/DTW routes.

NK seems to have grown large enough in DFW to be resistant even to AA fare matching. I also have seen that the AA/US will fare match on advance tickets but the close in bookings don't get fare matched as often, so that might be when the majority of NK ticket sales occur.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:03 am

ATL-SLC would really ignite the fireworks on here, it really could use some competition though no one can deny that. Non stops are usually like double what a stop in Denver costs on Delta.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:14 am

Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 14):
Do you think F9 will try to do build up connections through ATL? I know some the previous routes announced have connecting options or one stops. IND-ATL-MIA and IAD-ATL-AUS

There's also TTN-ATL-DEN which is one-stop both ways, atleast in March. I'd like to see lower fares to PHX from the eastern US, even if it's ATL with connections or 1-stops to airports further north.

[Edited 2015-02-23 18:16:18]
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:55 am

Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 13):
Do you think F9 will try to do build up connections through ATL? I know some the previous routes announced have connecting options or one stops. IND-ATL-MIA and IAD-ATL-AUS

maybe, but if they can fill seats with locals, that's what they have to do. They claim they cant make money off connecting passengers in DEN. ATL might be a cheaper airport.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:26 am

Delta is not worried. These are the advance purchase bottom dollar fares they don't want anyway. With LFs in ATL in the high 80s/low 90s, F9 can have the junk and it should actually increase DL's bottom line. That said, I do hope we see the folks over in scheduling have a little jab at F9 and NK. The NW wars were always hilarious.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 25):

So when is the Spirit merger?


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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:53 am

I'm too lazy to look this up - but does NK sell connections or is it strictly p2p? F9 still sells connections I believe - although they are soon pulling out of OKC.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:08 am

If DL sees a drop in load factor because of these ULCC airlines, then I think they will react. Sure, they don't necessarily want the cheap tickets, but they also don't want a drop in LF.

I wish every airline could grow and prosper, but I have serious doubts about F9's future.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:19 am

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 27):

I'm too lazy to look this up - but does NK sell connections or is it strictly p2p? F9 still sells connections I believe - although they are soon pulling out of OKC.

Spirit sells connections. I often check their options through the FLL focus city when I'm headed south.
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:53 am

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 26):
With LFs in ATL in the high 80s/low 90s, F9 can have the junk and it should actually increase DL's bottom line.

How so? If they are spilling traffic to F9, then maybe they should have raised their fares a bit. If F9 taking bottom feeder traffic somehow allows DL to make more money, then they've been doing something wrong in revenue management from what I can tell.

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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:23 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
They're making a lot of money. That's quite bright.

How did that Denver thing work out? Bright huh. It worked out so well that they had to file bankruptcy, become a ULCC carrier and greatly reduce their DEN service. Just because they have had luck elsewhere doesn't make repeating the DEN mistake remotely bright. It just proves they haven't learned their lesson.

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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:29 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 31):
How did that Denver thing work out? Bright huh. It worked out so well that they had to file bankruptcy, become a ULCC carrier and greatly reduce their DEN service.

Frontier today has little in common with pre-BK Frontier. In fact, some of what you mentioned is why this might be just fine. They are now an ULCC, offering greatly reduced service in their focus cities, with a clear goal of skimming off traffic rather than fighting tooth and nail for as much as they can get. It is in some ways similar to what NK is doing as well as what G4 is doing, neither of which has been chastised for their focus city operations.

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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:34 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 31):
How did that Denver thing work out? Bright huh. It worked out so well that they had to file bankruptcy, become a ULCC carrier and greatly reduce their DEN service.

Huh? What's the problem with becoming ULCC? New owner - new capital - new business model.

But - still flying, still at DEN and, now, making good money.

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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:42 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 28):

I don't think DL will see a drop in LF. The traffic F9 and NK will get is mostly new traffic. NK has about 30 flights per day from DFW. Has AA seen a drop in traffic?

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 30):

The danger is that these little ULCC intrusions will lead to legacy capacity responses. Then the entire capacity discipline and hence record profits are gone.

Quoting Indy (Reply 31):

Is DEN still the expensive airport it was in the past ?
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:43 am

Flight are loaded on F9s site so far I see CVG, LAX, LAS, MSY, MSP, IND, AUS, MIA, MCO, PHL, TTN, ORD, IAD, DEN, LGA flights on a non-stop basis. I think I'm missing one still, tired of looking.



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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:12 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 35):

So which will get dropped first? My guess is PHL. How many daily flights is that? 15?
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:21 pm

Quoting MVAair (Reply 7):
One thing this shows is that ATL will never be a DL fortress hub like CLT for AA or MSP for DL.

I think you are drawing the wrong conclusion from too few facts

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 22):
like double

How is something "like double" is that teen age talk?
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:25 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 37):

Which is what exactly? My conclusion is that ATL can and will support enough traffic for other carriers to have substantial operations there. That DL will never be a 90% share carrier in ATL. What do you think my conclusion is?


On another note, where are F9's and Nk's crew bases now? Is F9 doing all this flying with a DEN crew base?
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:47 pm

So PHL-ATL will have DL,US/AA,WN,NK and F9?

Quoting MVAair (Reply 38):
Nk's crew bases now

Last I remember they are FLL, DFW,DTW,ACY, and LAS (?)
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:31 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 35):
Flight are loaded on F9s site so far I see CVG, LAX, LAS, MSY, MSP, IND, AUS, MIA, MCO, PHL, TTN, ORD, IAD, DEN, LGA flights on a non-stop basis. I think I'm missing one still, tired of looking.

It looks like all of them except for CLE. 16 cities total. I wonder how they're funding LGA. DEN or MIA must lose a frequency.

Correct me if I'm wrong but all of these have already been announced except for LAX, LAS, MSY, MSP & LGA.
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:27 pm

Quoting MVAair (Reply 36):
So which will get dropped first? My guess is PHL. How many daily flights is that? 15?

I think some of the smaller markets like MSY or IND are more susceptible to be dropped off first. I do see US fare matching F9 on PHL-CLT round trips and that route might not last if the CLT market is too small.

That route is part of the a three city run, where the aircraft does CLT, ATL and ORD from a PHL based aircraft. I'd guess PHL-ORD and PHL-MSP (already designated as seasonal) won't sustain cold weather either, but that does leave ATL. I'd think PHL-IAH which was announced but limited to seasonal has potential with PHL-ATL to possibly year-round with one PHL based aircraft.

As for LGA:
LGA-MIA and LGA-DEN are still for sale. Perhaps F9 is borrowing a slot pair from another carrier to add LGA-ATL.

[Edited 2015-02-24 06:28:12]
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 40):
I wonder how they're funding LGA. DEN or MIA must lose a frequency.

DEN was at 1 RT in the Sunday schedule they loaded.

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 40):
Correct me if I'm wrong but all of these have already been announced except for LAX, LAS, MSY, MSP & LGA.

You may be right. MSP is interesting because there is no NK. Is WN still flying it? IND, AUS, PHL, IAD seem questionable to me.

Quoting rtalk25 (Reply 41):
LGA-MIA and LGA-DEN are still for sale. Perhaps F9 is borrowing a slot pair from another carrier to add LGA-ATL.

I thought they had 3 pairs in the Summer.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:29 pm

I remember there was a time when a new entrant could not find a gate at ATL. Wander if SWA is second guessing letting those gates on D go.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:33 pm

F9 beat NK to the punch on ATL-MSY. Not saying that NK had that route on its radar, but it's possible. Now the top 3 O&D markets from MSY will have ULCC service.

The MSY flight actually terminates in DEN. Same plane service.
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:44 pm

Quoting william (Reply 43):

I remember there was a time when a new entrant could not find a gate at ATL. Wander if SWA is second guessing letting those gates on D go.

Which is worse for WN? Fying their own 737-700s to BMI 3x daily to sit on gates in ATL or F9 and NK fly once per day in markets that are already large and will be stimulated.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:48 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 35):
Flight are loaded on F9s site so far I see CVG, LAX, LAS, MSY, MSP, IND, AUS, MIA, MCO, PHL, TTN, ORD, IAD, DEN, LGA flights on a non-stop basis. I think I'm missing one still, tired of looking.

I suspect 8, if not all, will be gone in a month.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:57 pm

Quoting azstar (Reply 46):
I suspect 8, if not all, will be gone in a month.

im not that pessimistic. I think there is a substantial amount of traffic in ATL that is being unserved by WN and DL. The problem with F9 is their route network is very unstable. At least NK sticks it out a bit longer. CVG is really a drive market from ATL. You can drive the two cities in 6 hours. The weakest are PHL, CVG, IND I think. WN is strong in AUS and NK serves FLL already so that might not bode well for MIA, or it might. Depending on how you look at it. You can fill a plane to MCO or LAS from anywhere.
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:58 pm

Quoting azstar (Reply 46):
I suspect 8, if not all, will be gone in a month.

Check back with us in a month.

I count 18 flights a day on June 1. I think it's interesting that F9 seems to have embraced through flights and are getting away from conenctions. I guess this elimnates the need for a passenger to deplane with fewer missed connections that have to be accomodated.

It looks like they'll have 3 ATL-DEN nonstops and 5 through flights.

F9 337Y 01JUN M ATLMSP 620A 755A /E (Continues to DEN)
F91462Y 01JUN M ATLLGA 640A 900A /E
F9 429Y 01JUN M ATLDEN 715A 828A /E
F91024Y 01JUN M ATLPHL 720A 920A /E
F9 735Y 01JUN M ATLCVG 810A 935A /E (Continues to DEN)
F91150Y 01JUN M ATLMCO 1215P 140P /E
F91276Y 01JUN M ATLORD 1250P 145P /E
F9 421Y 01JUN M ATLDEN 150P 301P /E
F9 212Y 01JUN M ATLIAD 310P 455P /E
F9 223Y 01JUN M ATLAUS 320P 440P /E (Continues to DEN)
F9 604Y 01JUN M ATLMIA 415P 605P /E
F9 607Y 01JUN M ATLIND 425P 555P /E (Continues to DEN)
F91479Y 01JUN M ATLLAX 535P 720P /E
F9 705Y 01JUN M ATLMSY 615P 645P /E (Continues to DEN)
F9 425Y 01JUN M ATLDEN 725P 841P /E
F9 424Y 01JUN M ATLCLE 745P 930P /E
F91457Y 01JUN M ATLLAS 840P 1000P /E
F9 902Y 01JUN M ATLTTN 945P 1146P /E
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:20 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 42):
IND, AUS, PHL, IAD seem questionable to me.

By Fall (Sep-Nov.), it'd be interesting if F9 did PHL-IAH with an early morning flight, then return, and then PHL-ATL in the evening, while keeping TTN-ATL service in the morning. I think that the two (ATL-TTN, ATL-PHL) can co-exist that way.

If F9 were to do early morning 6-7am PHL-IAH it might actually be better than the US option that is a little late morning (9:30am departing service) and US' first flight is a RJ. United's flight is earlier but Frontier might do better competing for the PHL point of sale on this one against US that isn't offering that early AM mainline service. UA would be less inclined to fare match that early morning flight against F9, also since it has to save seats for connecting pax.

BTW, why is IAD questionable? F9 has been running IAD-ATL for quite awhile now and DL doesn't fare match.

Quoting MVAair (Reply 47):
CVG is really a drive market from ATL. You can drive the two cities in 6 hours.

Google maps lists it at 464 miles by drive, 6hs59 mins. google of course doesn't include padding that people stop for rest breaks also. I don't know what speed you'd need to get there in 6 hours and if 6 hours is pleasant anyways.

[Edited 2015-02-24 08:30:09]
 
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RE: Frontier Adds 10 Atlanta Routes

Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:00 pm

Quoting azstar (Reply 46):
I suspect 8, if not all, will be gone in a month.

Several of them have been running for some time - obviously, ATL-DEN for years. TTN-ATL is a mature route, and the third busiest from TTN, after MCO and MDW.

ATL-ORD, ATL-CLE and ATL-IAD have all flying since Frontier started developing each of those stations.

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[Edited 2015-02-24 09:09:43]
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