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Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:44 am

Simple question: Do all pilots only fly one equipment type at a time, or are there any that fly multiple at the same time? Essentially, could a pilot for AA fly the 737 in the morning then an evening flight on the 767? Or for regionals, could a PSA pilot, for example, fly the -200 and -900 in the same day? If that makes sense...
 
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:31 am

Quoting dcaord (Thread starter):

a AA pilot can not fly a 737 and a 767. However the 767 and 757 can.

a PSA pilot can and do fly a -200,-700 and -900 in the same day.
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:22 am

A pilot can also fly an A319, A320 and A321 under the one type rating.
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:35 am

How about the 777/787747-400 and 8i?
 
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:58 am

the B747 Pilots only for the 747. the 777 pilots although cross rated for the 787 only fly the 777 or the 787. (for Now)
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:06 am

I myself had always wondered how a/c assignments are handed out in training. With singular type air carriers such as AS and WN excepted, of course, do you get to choose what you would fly? Or is it first-come/first-serve?


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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:33 am

Quoting dcaord (Thread starter):
Simple question: Do all pilots only fly one equipment type at a time, or are there any that fly multiple at the same time? Essentially, could a pilot for AA fly the 737 in the morning then an evening flight on the 767? Or for regionals, could a PSA pilot, for example, fly the -200 and -900 in the same day? If that makes sense...

It depends on the type rating. For example, the CR2, CR7 and CR9 are all a same type rating, so a pilot can fly the three aircraft if he his trained to do so. Type ratings are regulated by the FAA and the EASA, and airlines cannot "expand" them.

So, at AA, there are the following type ratings:

- S80 = M82 and M83
- 320 = 319 and 321
- 737 = 738
- 767 = 752 and 763
- 777 = 772 and 77W

Whether pilots fly different aircraft of a same type rating depends on the monthly lines. But yes, there are segments, for example, where a flight is operated with a 321 and the next flight is with a 319.

Quoting KAUST (Reply 5):

I myself had always wondered how a/c assignments are handed out in training. With singular type air carriers such as AS and WN excepted, of course, do you get to choose what you would fly? Or is it first-come/first-serve?

At AA, for they entry domicile/fleet, the order to select between the available vacancies is by age. The oldest pilot in the class chooses first.

Once they are part of the company, each pilot can fly whatever his seniority can hold. Normally the 777 is the most senior aircraft, but you can find pilots flying the 767 more junior than others flying the S80, for example. It depends on what the pilot priorities are (domicile, seat, being on reserve or not, etc.)

Between specific aircraft types part of a same type rating, pilots bid each month for their next month schedule, so it depends on whether there are lines with mixed equipments or not.

[Edited 2015-02-27 17:03:58]
 
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:57 am

The CRJ-200/700/900 is all under the CL-65 type rating. At most regionals a pilot will only fly on one of the three. PSA pilots are initially rated in the 200 and later receive differences training for the 700/900. At PSA specifically you could fly them on the same day.
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:25 am

Though not specified, I think the op might have meant pilots who are typed on multiple planes and if not then I am curious.

If a pilot is typed on the 737 and 757/767, could they fly both if they were current on both.
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:17 am

I remember that long time ago, DL pilot told he flies DC-9-32 and B727.

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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:15 am

so, out of curiosity, is it common for pilots to fly from point A to B in one aircraft type and from point B to C in another type during the same day?
 
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:35 am

Thanks for the answers, guys!  

Funny little side story (well. I guess)....last year, I flew in a Ford Tri-Motor, and the pilot is an AA Captain on the A320 (I think it was.) So we were saying he goes from "fly by wire" to "flying with wires."  

But what I found interesting, he said he prefers to fly the Tri-Motor for EAA than flying the Airbus for AA any day of the week. And I personally don't blame him!


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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:47 am

We do mixed fleet flying that includes jumping between 320s with CFMs to 321s with IAEs to 330s with RRs but unfortunately only for a little longer at our lot.
 
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:50 pm

Quoting KAUST (Reply 5):
I myself had always wondered how a/c assignments are handed out in training. With singular type air carriers such as AS and WN excepted, of course, do you get to choose what you would fly? Or is it first-come/first-serve?

Usually the new hire class bids on available slots. Basically the empty spots after the current pilots have bid. At DL your seniority for bidding is your hire date and then for those with the same date, the entire new hire class, it goes by date of birth. So the oldest new hire bids first.

The bid is not just for aircraft type but also for base location. So a higher paying type like 767/757 FO could be available for a less desirable base, like NYC. Most start at the lowest paying types in the least desirable bases.
 
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting DFWflightpath (Reply 10):

Short answer is no. The only pilots that would hold currency in more than one catagory are typically management pilots. They typically fly for currency so even amongst them it would be rare to fly two categories in the same day.
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:06 pm

Quoting realsim (Reply 6):
So, at AA, there are the following type ratings:

- S80 = M82 and M83

There is no S80 type rating, it is on the DC9 type rating.

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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:10 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 15):

He said at American, which I believe S80 is their internal type name as they only operate 80's.
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:39 pm

Quoting Q (Reply 9):
I remember that along time ago, DL pilot told he flies DC-9-32 and B727.

I don't quite remember that combination, but Delta did, in the early 70's, have dual qualified Captains flying both the DC-9s and the Lockheed L100 Freighters concurrently.
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:43 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 8):

Though not specified, I think the op might have meant pilots who are typed on multiple planes and if not then I am curious.

If a pilot is typed on the 737 and 757/767, could they fly both if they were current on both.


It depends if you mean technically or in practice. In practice you exercise your seniority to bid one type and maintain currency on that one type.

Technically, you can be qualified across as many types as an airline wants, however they have to prove to the FAA that their procedures in place ensure that pilots have adequate recent experience. At an airline there is far more currencies to track then you do under 91. You have to have 3 t/o and landings in each type and sometimes each variant within the type every 90 days. Certain segments have currency requirements. Approach currencies, emergency equipment drills, etc. a pilot would constantly be in training. Then you have all the training that is segmented by type/base. For example only JFK based 777 pilots might get "China" training and only 737 pilots might get "Qito" training....if a pilot were qualified on both, you would have to keep up with both.
 
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:46 pm

Quoting DFWflightpath (Reply 10):

Not necessarily another type, as in aircraft that requires a separate type rating but it is possible to see different variants in the same day. I've flown all 3 versions of the CRJ in the same day, and recently jump seated with a crew on an A319 who brought an A321 in and swapped into an A319 back out.

As far as Part 121 airlines are concerned, you're only going to fly one type at a time. By that I mean if you get hired and fly the 737 initially, then transition to the B757/767 (which share a common type thus both can be flown in the same day) you're no longer "qualified" on the 737. You *could* go fly it, you're still typed, but not legally, at least not in the states, for a Part 121 airline. Once you begin training for a new type you dequal on the previous one.

Oh, MD80 series fall under the DC-9 type rating. Super 80, or S80 isn't a type it's just the marketing thIng AA chose for that airplane. It's really a DC-9-82, or -83, etc. The MD-8X is the second generation of the DC-9.

[Edited 2015-02-28 10:52:54]
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:56 pm

Most carriers have contractually defined categories, sometimes even separating out "international" and "domestic" within plane types (AA does this).

At DL, you are only current on one category at a time- the moment you start school for your next category, you are dequaled from your previous. You can fly any and all aircraft in that category any given trip.

The categories are as follows:

717
M88 (MD-88 and MD-90)
320 (319, 320, and soon to be 321)
73N (737-700,800, and 900ER)
7ER (757-200, 300, and 767-300)
765 (767-400)
330 (330-200 and 300)
777 (777-200 and 200LR)
744 (747-400)

The reason for the sort of strange nomenclature for the 7ER and 765 is there used to be domestic 767 and 764 categories... 7ER and 765 were the international categories, and the domestic and international have been joined together to make worldwide qualified categories.

[Edited 2015-02-28 14:57:39]
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:01 am

There is nothing in the regs that says you can't be multiple typed. Most if not all airlines create a single type policy in there GOM though. And once your GOM is approved it becomes law for your carrier alone.
 
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:12 pm

I know Boeing and FAA now allow a common type-rating for the 777+787.

But I was wondering which airline currently allow pilots to fly both aircraft types at the same time ?

Having a friend at Qatar Airways, they currently don't allow that mix rating.

What about AC, BA, UA, ET... ?
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RE: Pilot Aircraft Assignments

Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:33 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 22):
What about AC, BA, UA, ET... ?

Per reply 4 UA pilots are rated in the 777 OR the 787. In addition only former CO pilots can currently bid the 787 (in a few years it will be available to all pilots).
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