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Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:54 am

Turkish A330 runway incident now at KTM . Twitter reports aircraft in the "middle of the runway, nose on the ground"

All passengers r safe.

Source: @kundadixit from Twitter whose in Nepal.

Update: Apparently nose wheel collapse

[Edited 2015-03-03 18:57:09]
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:07 am

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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:13 am

That looks pretty bad, hope everyone is OK.
Is it TC-JOC "Gobeklitepe", A333 ?
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:22 am

Isn't KTM on a plateau? If so, very lucky the plane didn't overrun further....
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:26 am

Ouch! glad to see that everybody is ok. However isnt the TC-JO* series A330s the newer ones? Either way a broken plane for TK probably hurts their busy sked.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:31 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 4):
However isnt the TC-JO* series A330s the newer ones?

It was delivered last May, if in fact it is that plane.
Could this be a write off, just looking at those 4 photos?  

and this one:
http://www.breakingnews.com/item/201...irlines-plane-skids-off-runway-at/

[Edited 2015-03-03 19:41:40]
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:33 am

Sure looks like a crash to me, runway alignment or not, wow.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:50 am

That's some nice thick soupy fog

Glad everyone is safe.
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:50 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 2):
Is it TC-JOC "Gobeklitepe", A333 ?

I think it is actually TC-JOC, A333 less than a year old.

First video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlVdF1WGKLA

[Edited 2015-03-03 20:20:39]
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:36 am

Visibility an issue? IIRC the lowest vis for the RNP RWY02 is 900m for a Cat-C aircraft @ KTM.
VNKT 040350Z 00000KT 3500 BR FEW015 13/09 Q1016 BECMG FM0420Z 4000 BR
VNKT 040250Z 00000KT 3000 BR FEW015 09/09 Q1016 NOSIG
VNKT 032350Z 00000KT 0500 FG VV/// 08/07 Q1013 NOSIG
VNKT 032250Z 00000KT 6000 FEW020 08/08 Q1013 NOSIG
VNKT 032150Z 00000KT 7000 FEW020 08/08 Q1013 NOSIG
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:54 am

I hope everyone is safe, that looks pretty bad.
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:57 am

Good thing TK is getting 7 more A333s this year. Replacement frame right around the corner
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:08 am

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 3):
Isn't KTM on a plateau? If so, very lucky the plane didn't overrun further....

Not at all. It's on relatively flat ground in a valley.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:19 am

Here's some more photo's http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hes-after-overshooting-runway.html Glad to hear all on board are ok
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:55 am

I have a buddy flying home to PDX (hopefully) this weekend from KTM, I hope the runway is usable by then. I wonder how long it'll take to clear this mess? I'm very glad to hear there was no serious injuries, still bone shaking I'm sure.
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:35 am

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 13):

Apparently, this was the second attempt after some holding in the terminal area...
Given weather conditions, I wonder why they simply did not divert to the alternate.
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:39 am

Unreal. Good thing nobody was seriously injured. Here's a video I found. I don't know if it has been posted before, but I didn't see it. (It's 2:40am here so I may have overseen it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrYDKeyBtzc&feature=youtu.be
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:24 am

I love the crashes of these days, grab your bag, exit the aircraft and take a selfie with the crashed airplane in the background, take a few B-Roll shots of the aircraft and other passengers evacuating the airplane, go to the waiting bus to take you to the terminal.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:07 am

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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:29 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 18):

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA-63SjLu_Q

Is this a write-off? What do you think?
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:33 am

It is saddening to see, as usual, so many passengers with their bags and backpacks with them in some cases big camping rucksacks.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:45 am

This was not a runway overshoot...

It veered to the left of the runway.

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 19):
Is this a write-off? What do you think?

Judging by these pictures, maybe some damage to the wingbox and to the nose section...

http://avherald.com/h?article=482a5e9e&opt=0

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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:51 am

Could it be to do with Runway conditions? That would be my first thought. Reports say it had been raining for two days.
Glad all passengers are well. I flew on a TK A330 last week and they were amazing!
All the best to those involved and the company.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:57 am

Don't think a B747F can get into KTM with new engine, so likely will need to truck one (or even two) in
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:25 am

Quoting vio (Reply 16):
Here's a video
Quoting vio (Reply 16):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrYDKeyBtzc&feature=youtu.be

Amazing how relax everyone was, people take their bags and camera's before exiting the plane.
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:31 am

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 20):
It is saddening to see, as usual, so many passengers with their bags and backpacks with them in some cases big camping rucksacks.

I thought that initally, but then if you watch the video, it seems like the pax were held on the plane for some time before being allowed off (it seemed more like deplaning via the emergency exits rather than an actual evacuation). All the overheads seemed to have been opened, with bags everywhere. There were buses waiting by the plane, with plenty of high-vis ground staff, so it must have taken some time before anyone got off.

Had it been a proper crash, I doubt many people would have got their bags and taken a selfie.
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:05 am

What a pity that a relatively new aircraft would encounter this fate...

As for whether it will be a write-off, it all depends on whether KTM has the repair facilities for an A330, which I seriously doubt it does. The other option would be to patch it up nicely enough for a ferry flight to a nearby location with the appropriate facilities, like the EK A345 that had the takeoff incident in MEL. The IB A346 that was written off in UIO a few years ago was because it could not be repaired sufficiently to enable a ferry flight to be conducted. We'll have to wait and see...
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:20 am

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 20):
It is saddening to see, as usual, so many passengers with their bags and backpacks with them in some cases big camping rucksacks.

Quite incredible. Video shows people's backpacks on the aisle floor. If fire had erupted, panic would be likely and more difficult evacuation. I'm not a pilot, but I find it strange that crew did not evacuate, given the situation. Easy to say with hindsight that no fire, so no problem, but why take a chance?
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:20 am

As I read in a newsletter by www.aerotelegraph.com : They stayed in holding pattern for 30 min because of fog. Then they tried the first landing but went-around and hold again for 20 min. At the second landing they missed the center line and got into grass between the r/w and a t/w. The nose gear broke. Passenger could leave the aircraft by the slides. Nobody injured.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:27 am

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 20):
It is saddening to see, as usual, so many passengers with their bags and backpacks with them in some cases big camping rucksacks.

I do not mean to play the devil's advocate, but, and I have never been involved in a crash and I think most of us haven't, but can you guarantee that, in the heat of the moment, when you see the danger is not that great, that it would be ok to just take it, just in case someone else stumbles upon it and accidentally graps your iPad inside it and takes it away in what is arguably an exceptional event?...

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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:44 pm

Fog, No ILS, only a VOR DME approach on runway 02 as per 2011 charts avlb online. Not a good combination.

The VOR DME 02 approach has a MDA of 4950 ft (635 ft AGL) with a VIS requirement of 2800 m for CAT C aircraft, 3200 m for CAT D.

Based on avherald.com, visibility one hour after the incident was around 3000 m.

BTW, anyone know if KTM has RNP approaches avlb?

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[Edited 2015-03-04 06:59:46]
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:55 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 30):
Anyone know if KTM has RNP approaches avlb?

Yes... RNP-AR 02...
The ADS-B data is consistent with the RNP-AR and not the VORDME (kink in the approach, and a left turn on G/A instead or right).

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 9):
Visibility an issue? IIRC the lowest vis for the RNP RWY02 is 900m for a Cat-C aircraft @ KTM.
VNKT 040350Z 00000KT 3500 BR FEW015 13/09 Q1016 BECMG FM0420Z 4000 BR
VNKT 040250Z 00000KT 3000 BR FEW015 09/09 Q1016 NOSIG
VNKT 032350Z 00000KT 0500 FG VV/// 08/07 Q1013 NOSIG
VNKT 032250Z 00000KT 6000 FEW020 08/08 Q1013 NOSIG
VNKT 032150Z 00000KT 7000 FEW020 08/08 Q1013 NOSIG
VNKT 032050Z 00000KT 7000 FEW020 09/09 Q1013 NOSIG

Visibility? Hell yeah! The video of the evac showed pretty poor visibility.
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Cat D: Norm: DA: 4670 Viz: 1.6km. APL out DA: 4670 Viz 1.9km

An interesting point adding to ZRH's point, is that while the aircraft was holding over SIMRA (end of RNP STAR) for about 30mins or so, after it went around, it appeared to hold at the end of the missed approach at MANRI for some time before coming back for a 2nd attempt. Elapsed time between 1st overflying SIMRA for holding to the landing was about 1 hour and 31 minutes... Maybe they were concerned about fuel?
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:57 pm

looks like they didn't issue a METAR at 0100Z, which would have been the one valid at the time of incident. How come?

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 31):
Cat C: Norm: DA:4650 Viz: 1.5km. APL out DA: 4650 Viz 1.8km
Cat D: Norm: DA: 4670 Viz: 1.6km. APL out DA: 4670 Viz 1.9km


Which means that's a DH of 335 ft for a CAT C. Still not as good as an ILS with a 200ft DH.

Based on those pictures i saw and all that fog, seems to me KTM should get an ILS already. Would probably need to have a 4 or 5 degree glide slope to clear that 3000 ft peak 9 nm final though !

[Edited 2015-03-04 07:12:19]
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:46 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
Turkish A330 runway incident now at KTM
Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

I would call this a Crash Landing ... rather than "Incident" ...
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:50 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 33):
I would call this a Crash Landing ... rather than "Incident" ...

The aircraft has skidded off the runway after landing, causing the nose gear to collapse. Not sure if I would call this a 'crash landing'.
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:56 pm

What bothers me from looking at this whole situation is this, All those lime colored guys in coats standing around using there I-phones and what not, taking pictures of the people coming off the Airbus are Rescue Personnel. They should be helping people off the plane! and checking for injured passengers. Just my 2-cents. I'm in the Emergency Medical businesas a EMT- Ambulance. We would not put up with that at all in the US.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:20 pm

Ok....did the gear collapse before or after the aircraft landed fully and then went left. Did the crew land the nose too hard causing damage or a tire to blow? There is more to this story then fog? Gear lights in in the cockpit would have or should have indicated down and locked. IMHO
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:23 pm

Ouch. I flew on that plane IST-JFK last September. My only A330 flight to date. Hope everyone was OK.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:39 pm

What it is the primary alternate field if KTM is unserviceable in case of thick fog ? DEL or any other Northern India airport ?

Knowing the Nepalese infrastructure, it will be very very difficult to repair that one. Good luck to TK...

KTM is well known to be a very tricky approach. The approach into the Kathmandu Valley is in itself very dramatic and spectacular... To see a wide-body landing there is a must.
Knowing that many people in the sector do question TK's training standards, I'm curious to know more.
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:46 pm

So should they decide to patch her up for a ferry flight, where would they fly her to? I am guessing DEL? I'd imagine that would be one heck of a ferry flight back to IST.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:12 pm

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 36):
did the gear collapse before or after the aircraft landed fully and then went left. Did the crew land the nose too hard causing damage or a tire to blow?

Some information below:
http://avherald.com/h?article=482a5e9e

"Nepal's Civil Aviation Authority reported one of the wheels had touched down off the runway, the tyre burst, the aircraft subsequently veered left."

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 36):
did the gear collapse before or after the aircraft landed fully and then went left. Did the crew land the nose too hard causing damage or a tire to blow?

Left main gear touched down off the runway that made the airplane veer to the left. So the nose gear might have touched down off runway into the dirt and buckled.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:43 pm

Glad everyone got out safely. No doubt insurance assessors and an Airbus (and TK) team will be out to KTM asap, to inspect damage and see what can be done. This would be TK's first Airbus hull loss if it came to that, though given the aircraft's age, I would think everything possible will be done to repair it, even if only temporarily, then fly it to DEL or DXB where more detailed repairs can be done. Doesn't Nepal Airlines have hangars at KTM? (I know it's not a widebody operator, but it's better than nothing).

I note that the aircraft was described as having 11 crew; I wonder if this relates only to the cabin crew? 9 seems a bit low for TK?

Presumably this flight crew will not be looking forward to their return home ...
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:57 pm

From the reports there are no heavy lift equipment in Nepal. Since no planes can land heavy lift equipment will have to be trucked in from India. WOW! One hell of a way for an international airport to be put out of action for a few days.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:04 pm

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 20):

It is saddening to see, as usual, so many passengers with their bags and backpacks with them in some cases big camping rucksacks.

If I could take my carry-on backpack with me and avoid waiting days or even weeks to get my luggage you better damn believe I would. Unless the aircraft is on fire or its going to cause harm to anyone i'm going to try. Why do you care?
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:08 pm

Quoting lammified (Reply 26):
Quoting SXDFC (Reply 39):

Looks like they'll lift the nose and one wing with airbags, set the nose on a trailer and and put plates under the main then tow it off for damage assessment. the repair doesn't look exotic so it could be done under a temporary shelter. The spine/keel beam look undamaged so only the nose gear box and attach structure will take time.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:04 pm

Nose gear collapse is no biggie. Depends on how far she slid on the concrete but I would seriously doubt it is a write off. Especially such a new airframe.

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 43):
If I could take my carry-on backpack with me and avoid waiting days or even weeks to get my luggage you better damn believe I would. Unless the aircraft is on fire or its going to cause harm to anyone i'm going to try. Why do you care?

Because you are putting other people at risk to save your clothes. You willing to die for your underwear? Unless you are carrying a load of diamonds there is nothing in your hand luggage that cannot be replaced in a quick shopping trip.

We have this same discussion every time there is an incident and people slow down the evac with their carryon luggage. Let your laptop burn. The airline will buy you a new one and you SHOULD have all your data backed up anyway. The important things like your passport, wallet, cash and keys should be in your pockets not in your luggage.
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:38 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 45):
The important things like your passport, wallet, cash and keys should be in your pockets not in your luggage.

Who carries their keys in their pockets when travelling? 500k miles last year and I didn't once.

Shame on me?  
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:43 pm

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 25):
Had it been a proper crash, I doubt many people would have got their bags and taken a selfie.

You would be surprised. The Asiana flight in SFO has some footage of people carrying a full carry on suitcase with them out of the aircraft. Despicable.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngogl...any-passengers-evacuate-with-bags/

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 43):
If I could take my carry-on backpack with me and avoid waiting days or even weeks to get my luggage you better damn believe I would. Unless the aircraft is on fire or its going to cause harm to anyone i'm going to try. Why do you care?

You should be able to evacuate a full A380 in 80-90 seconds. How long do you think it would take if everyone started to grab their bags?

I completely disagree with everything you just said. The one thing you should grab (only if you can) is your passport IMO. Only if it is in the seat pocket or on your person. Anything else stays. No question.

[Edited 2015-03-04 13:47:44]
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:46 pm

I always carry my keys.

When I fly, I always carry my Tickets, Passport and Wallet.

Another thing that does not leave me is my Camera.
 
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RE: Turkish A330 Incident In KTM

Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:48 pm

Im sure that plane will fly again. I know there would be many factors involved beyond what I have any clue about, but look at some of the planes that have been repaired before. For instance the Southwest 737 that went beyond the runway and into the city streets of Chicago. Through fences and barriers, collapsed gear, destroyed wing components and engines.

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