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Iberia To Take Early Delivery Of Eight A330s

Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:02 pm

Iberia has announced it is to take early delivery of 8 A330s between December 2015 and November 2016 which will replace A340 aircraft.

Should be interesting to see if any more new routes are announced over the next 12 months. IAG's CFO did say last week that the fall in oil price has improved the economics of the A340 significantly. It's also not mentioned whether this means the delivery of A350s to Iberia will be delayed.

http://grupo.iberia.es/portal/site/W...d3912eb410VgnVCM2000008ee815acRCRD

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Iberia and Airbus have reached an agreement over the early delivery of the A330-200s the airline ordered last year, and which will now join the long-haul fleet 14 months earlier than initially planned, between December, 2015, and November, 2016.

The new aircraft will replace the A340-300s, and offer economic and environmental advantages as well as greater comfort and more services for passengers.

The new twin-engine, wide-bodied aircraft, with an autonomy of up to 13,400 km, consumes less fuel than the four-engine A340-300s they replace, and also generate less noise and air pollution.

The earlier delivery dates also speed the upgrading of Iberia’s entire long-haul fleet with the new cabins, fittings, and entertainment and communications systems, for an improved customer experience.

Iberia is currently renewing its long-haul fleet and also its long-haul cabins. In recent years the IAG parent has ordered 24 new long-haul aircraft for Iberia, the eight A330-300s delivered in 2013 and 2014; the eight A330-200s; and eight A350-900s to be delivered later.
 
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:31 pm

As per most IAG decisions, make money and you can have new toys!
 
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:39 pm

Will they be Trent powered this time or more CF6s?
 
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting LHRFlyer (Thread starter):
The new twin-engine consumes less fuel than the four-engine A340-300s they replace, and also generate less noise and air pollution.

And also offer less capacity ...
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:57 pm

[quote=Bluebellya380,reply=2] [Will they be Trent powered this time or more CF6s?/quote]


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http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...a330-200-options-into-firm-orders/
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RE: Iberia To Take Early Delivery Of Eight A330s

Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:57 pm

Quoting Bluebellya380 (Reply 2):
Will they be Trent powered this time or more CF6s?

IB A330-200 will get the CF6 engines and will be the first 242t of the .200 series.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
And also offer less capacity ...

Not really. The front cabin will be J with around 20 seats. The Economy cabin will have around 265 seats.
 
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:44 pm

Quoting kelual (Reply 5):
IB A330-200 will get the CF6 engines and will be the first 242t of the .200 series.

Isn't DL the launch customer of the 242t ?
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RE: Iberia To Take Early Delivery Of Eight A330s

Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 6):
Isn't DL the launch customer of the 242t ?

Delta is the launch customer for the 242t A330-300. Iberia is getting -200's.
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:03 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):

You're right, Thanks. But it's the -300 that made the maiden 242t flight IIRC. Right ?
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:04 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 8):
But it's the -300 that made the maiden 242t flight IIRC. Right ?

Fully correct.
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:29 pm

What kind of realistic range with a full payload will these 242T, A332's have?

Thanks!
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:36 pm

Quoting kelual (Reply 5):
Not really. The front cabin will be J with around 20 seats. The Economy cabin will have around 265 seats.

The A330-200 is a smaller aircraft than the A340-300. That means either less overall seats or less premium seats.
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:57 pm

Well, it's great that they are getting earlier delivery. It would seem as they would really need them.

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Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:30 pm

Interesting developments where else could the new IB expand that it already does not serve either nonstop or via AA?

Here are some areas of interest that I could see IB tapping in:

*Strengthen its BOG and Colombia flights to compete with AV's enhanced service (new products etc) and feed LA's BOG hub.

*Strengthen its GRU (maybe GIG) presence to feed the massive LATAM hubs. Could be iffy not sure how current IB/LATAM service is at the moment and the Brazilian economy isn't exactly where it was say 4 years ago.

*What about Asia? Maybe a couple of flights a week to HKG (CX) or NRT (JL)? Feed the one world hubs in the area.

*Strengthen it's presence in Latin American markets where the likes of AF/KL, LH are starting to tap into directly such as PTY and other emerging markets in the area.

*With PMAA offering new opportunities in the U.S. maybe see it take over certain routes from AA freeing up aircraft for AA for new routes one example that comes to mind is MAD-PHL. Beef up and strengthen its presence in MIA,JFK along with AA as necessary to continue their dominance over carriers like DL, UX on these routes.

* What about the Middle East? With QR continue to explode over in DOH, why not tap into some of the market along with QR? Giving brand presence in the area. Why leave all middle eastern travel to the ME3?

* BIG MAYBE with this one: Return to SJU and compete to regain its 21 year monarchy against UX's weekly flights (I believe they are 2x weekly) in a horrible Puerto Rican economy?
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RE: Iberia To Take Early Delivery Of Eight A330s

Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:46 pm

Is it possible that Airbus made them a good deal as this might help an easier transition to the A330NEO?
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RE: Iberia To Take Early Delivery Of Eight A330s

Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:10 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 14):
Is it possible that Airbus made them a good deal as this might help an easier transition to the A330NEO?

What transition would that be, they're the same aircraft family, the difference essentially being the engine and wing? IB already operate the A333-300... and currently have no A330neo on order.

* - Edited to correct detail.

[Edited 2015-03-04 13:21:47]
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:14 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 14):
Is it possible that Airbus made them a good deal as this might help an easier transition to the A330NEO?

It could b... or just fast and easy transition to the A350. IAG still has 14 A330 options and 60 A350 options open for the group

 
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:44 pm

Regarding the cabin configuraton of the A330 if you look at slides 70-71 from the last IAG Capital Markets Day, it looks like Iberia will be going with a higher seating density for the A330s:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...Q3fENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1
 
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:08 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 15):

What transition would that be, they're the same aircraft family, the difference essentially being the engine and wing? IB already operate the A333-300... and currently have no A330neo on order.
Quoting kelual (Reply 16):
It could b... or just fast and easy transition to the A350. IAG still has 14 A330 options and 60 A350 options open for the group

I rather meant a transition for Airbus on the assembly line, respectively filling empty CEO slots before production ramps up again for the NEO. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough  
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Wed Mar 04, 2015 11:42 pm

Quoting FriscoHeavy (Reply 10):

What kind of realistic range with a full payload will these 242T, A332's have?

The 233t to 238t increase added 300nm, the 238t to 242t 350nm.
Per ACAPS on A website in support/technical characteristics, a 233t A332 can carry max payload 49 t over 4250nm so close to 5000nm
 
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RE: Iberia To Take Early Delivery Of Eight A330s

Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:25 am

Interesting but I’d like to know how they will perform in the hot and high airports that IB has in their network (MEX, BOG, UIO)? Will these A332 be more capable than the ones AV have (BTW AV is phasing them out and replacing them with 788's)

I feel IB should have been a good candidate for the 787-9; they could have replaced all A332/A333/A343/A346 with ONE type in one swoop.

Does IB still serve JNB? That’s another hot and high airport….

Thanks

[Edited 2015-03-04 19:26:36]

[Edited 2015-03-04 19:28:20]
 
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RE: Iberia To Take Early Delivery Of Eight A330s

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:37 am

Aren't they using 340-6 for MEX?

If not pretty sure 350 is more than capable.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:50 am

Quoting kelual (Reply 16):

It could b... or just fast and easy transition to the A350. IAG still has 14 A330 options and 60 A350 options open for the group

Are some of those A320 options for Veuling? IIRC, BA and IB only have a few NEO orders to divvy up amongst themselves
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:45 am

Quoting iahmark (Reply 20):
Interesting but I’d like to know how they will perform in the hot and high airports that IB has in their network (MEX, BOG, UIO)? Will these A332 be more capable than the ones AV have (BTW AV is phasing them out and replacing them with 788's)

I think IB will fly the A346 to that places as long as they can.

Quoting iahmark (Reply 20):
Does IB still serve JNB? That’s another hot and high airport….

No, they stopped few years ago, they do LAD.

Quoting LHRFlyer (Thread starter):
Should be interesting to see if any more new routes are announced over the next 12 months. IAG's CFO did say last week that the fall in oil price has improved the economics of the A340 significantly. It's also not mentioned whether this means the delivery of A350s to Iberia will be delayed.

I don't think we will see much expansion, most probably to replace 1 by 1 old A340, so much better economics, but if they start any new route ill bet for the return of HAV.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:37 am

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 22):
Are some of those A320 options for Veuling?

Correct.
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:43 am

Quoting LHRFlyer (Thread starter):
Should be interesting to see if any more new routes are announced over the next 12 months. IAG's CFO did say last week that the fall in oil price has improved the economics of the A340 significantly. It's also not mentioned whether this means the delivery of A350s to Iberia will be delayed.

IB is trying to take early delivery of its A350.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:51 am

Quoting kelual (Reply 25):

Once all 330 and 350s are delievered are they going to retire 340-6 or keep them around and use 330 and 350 to expand? 340-3 will be gone thats for sure.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:53 am

Quoting thekorean (Reply 26):
Once all 330 and 350s are delievered are they going to retire 340-6 or keep them around and use 330 and 350 to expand? 340-3 will be gone thats for sure.

A340-300 will be gone. A340-600's have just been reconfigured and AFAIK will stay until ~ 2020.
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:58 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):

Cool. IB in Asia would be nice. NRT and HKG the starter.

But more Latin America destinations would be more likely. They are back in HAV so where can they expand to? More Brazilian cities?
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:01 am

What's the story on the configuration in biz class? I looked at a seat map yesterday for MAD MIA and it was 2 - 4 - 2.

My last flight in IB biz on the 340 it was 2 - 2 - 2.

I wondered if someone is operating that on behalf of IB.
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:04 am

Quoting offloaded (Reply 29):
What's the story on the configuration in biz class? I looked at a seat map yesterday for MAD MIA and it was 2 - 4 - 2.

MAD-MIA is operated by the A330-300 J config 1-2-1
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:07 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
A340-300 will be gone. A340-600's have just been reconfigured and AFAIK will stay until ~ 2020

a few A340-600 will remain until they find a suitable replacement for high airports. If the A350-900 perform well at those altitudes then all four engined planes will be gone by 2020
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:18 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
The A330-200 is a smaller aircraft than the A340-300. That means either less overall seats or less premium seats

IB A342s configuration 24J 265Y. The difference between the A340-330 and the A330-200 is on the firs cabin (4 m less).
From the second door both aircraft are the same, so the seat arrangement will be the same 265Y. On the first cabin they will only be able to fit 20 J seats
 
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RE: Iberia To Take Early Delivery Of Eight A330s

Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:33 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 23):
but if they start any new route ill bet for the return of HAV.

IB is returning to HAV June 1st.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:03 pm

Quoting kelual (Reply 5):
And also offer less capacity ...

Not really. The front cabin will be J with around 20 seats. The Economy cabin will have around 265 seats.

The current A343 has either 24J 265Y or 36J 218Y. To match A343 capacity the A332's would have to be less premium, and likely offer less pitch in Y too.

Quoting iahmark (Reply 20):
Will these A332 be more capable than the ones AV have

Certainly, as they are the latest 242t version.

Quoting iahmark (Reply 20):
Does IB still serve JNB? That’s another hot and high airport….

Not anymore. Though I wouldn't rule out a comeback, with their new lower cost base and more efficient a/c.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 23):
I don't think we will see much expansion, most probably to replace 1 by 1 old A340,

IIRC IB operated 17-19 A343's at one time (hard to say exactly as there were various wet leases etc), so 8xA333 + the new 8xA332 do not quite fully replace the old fleet.
IMO, with the lower fuel prices IB could keep some A343's around a bit longer, thus enabling expansion, and simply retire them as whenever the oil price recovers. They are fully paid for and it should be financially doable to keep a handful around with a lower utilization.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:27 pm

Quoting kelual (Reply 32):
The difference between the A340-330 and the A330-200 is on the firs cabin (4 m less).
From the second door both aircraft are the same, so the seat arrangement will be the same 265Y

Between doors 3 and4, the aft cabin of a A332 is shorter than a A343 by at least 2-3 rows depending on configuration. The section between doors 2 and 3 are same on A332 and A333/A343.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:00 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 22):
Are some of those A320 options for Veuling? IIRC, BA and IB only have a few NEO orders to divvy up amongst themselves

On 14 august 2013 IAG announced firm orders for 30 320ceo and 32 320neo aircrafrt for delivery to Vueling between this year and 2020. It additionally took out options for a further 58 320s again for Vueling. They also announced that they had secured 100 320neo options that

'. . . could be used for any of the airlines in the group - British Airways, Iberia or Vueling.'

At the Farnborough Air Show on 13 July 2014 IAG announced that they had converted 20 of the 100 options into firm orders. Delivery would be in 2018-19. They added that these aircraft:

'. . . are currently intended to replace 21 (sic) short haul British Airway's aircraft but will be reallocated if the airline cannot make a profitable return on its short haul business.'

As the oldest 21 short-haul aircraft in the BA Heathrow fleet are all 319s delivered between October 1999 and February 2001 and as the average annual utilisation of their LHR based 319 fleet is lower than that of their 320 and 321 short-haul fleets I assume that the plan is to replace 21 319s with 20 320neos.
 
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RE: Iberia To Take Early Delivery Of Eight A330s

Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:33 pm

Quoting nostrum (Reply 33):
IB is returning to HAV June 1st.

I notice after finishing the post but I couldn't correct.

Quoting thekorean (Reply 28):
Cool. IB in Asia would be nice. NRT and HKG the starter.

It could be nice and slowly MAD is getting more and more Asia traffic, I think both could work, but I'd not be surprise if we see IB trying PEK or PVG with some partnership in the Chinese end.

What about Brasilia?? Or a return to Cordoba with a much more economical plane??

Quoting r2rho (Reply 34):
Though I wouldn't rule out a comeback, with their new lower cost base and more efficient a/c

In the theory MAD should be one of the best connecting point for many pax traveling to and from JNB and Europe, and it is a very high yield market, however IB did not find a correct way to use the advantage to attract more business.

Quoting kelual (Reply 31):
a few A340-600 will remain until they find a suitable replacement for high airports. If the A350-900 perform well at those altitudes then all four engined planes will be gone by 2020

Don't you think that the A359 is not a good replacement for the A346??? IMO the A350-1000 should be better, otherwise we are talking about 60-70 seats less.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 2:57 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 37):
What about Brasilia?? Or a return to Cordoba with a much more economical plane??

Or perhaps an even better option would be to increase frequencies to high-demand, high-viability markets, MEX, JFK, or enhance capacity to still-quickly-growing markets in Latin America, especially LIM and BOG.

Brazil is in the midst of a dreadful economic and financial downturn, spurred by collapsed commodity prices, an over-levered private sector, and an explosive political corruption investigation that will completely change the nation's institutional make-up. GRU will always be the largest regional market and IB can surely enhance its relationship with LATAM. However, I understand JJ is not particularly keen on working with IB in the form of a TATL JV or some other arrangement. I would ask other members to provide with any information they have regarding the IB/LATAM commercial relationship, as I have heard conflicting reports regarding IB/JJ vs. IB/LA.

IB needs to accelerate the development of its already-powerful MAD-LATIN AMERICA TATL franchise and create a consistent, yet growing business that will generate massive value for the IAG shareholder. This A330-200 is certainly part of that; look for more announcements over the coming months as these examples are integrated in the IB operation.

BSB and COR are, indeed, very good candidates for future IB service, but their time may need to wait until Brazil and Argentina turn the corner.
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:11 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 37):
Don't you think that the A359 is not a good replacement for the A346??? IMO the A350-1000 should be better, otherwise we are talking about 60-70 seats less.

AFAIK and from what I saw in an investor presentation last year, the A346 replacement is not yet decided, pending evaluation of new generation offerings.
So it looks like the A330's are for A340 replacement, and the A359's for actual net growth, not for A346 replacement.
IB is an airline that fully utilizes the A346's payload-range capabilities, lifting full planes with full bellies on long flights out of challenging hot&high airports. They will need something equally capable, and will wait it out to select a replacement.
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:15 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):
Quoting LHRFlyer (Thread starter):
The new twin-engine consumes less fuel than the four-engine A340-300s they replace, and also generate less noise and air pollution.

And also offer less capacity ...

They have 7 A340-300 and replace them with 8 A330-200, smaller frames but more of them.
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:31 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 39):
AFAIK and from what I saw in an investor presentation last year, the A346 replacement is not yet decided, pending evaluation of new generation offerings.
So it looks like the A330's are for A340 replacement, and the A359's for actual net growth, not for A346 replacement.
IB is an airline that fully utilizes the A346's payload-range capabilities, lifting full planes with full bellies on long flights out of challenging hot&high airports. They will need something equally capable, and will wait it out to select a replacement.

That make sense to me, I guess they'll go for A350-1000 but the B777X could be a good replacement for the A346, however adding a completely new type would be a worse than more of the same model but bigger, even if 17 is not a small number.

By the way today I noticed that IB is not the biggest Airline is Spain anymore, fleet, Vueling has 89 planes and Iberia only 74, how things are changing.

Quoting PDPsol (Reply 38):
. GRU will always be the largest regional market and IB can surely enhance its relationship with LATAM. However, I understand JJ is not particularly keen on working with IB in the form of a TATL JV or some other arrangement.

I'd not be surprise, but I'm not sure IB would agree to do a JV also, I think IB right now has the biggest piece in the Brazil Spain market and we could see more flights in the future from IB but I don't think we will see any move from JJ.

Quoting PDPsol (Reply 38):
Or perhaps an even better option would be to increase frequencies to high-demand, high-viability markets, MEX, JFK, or enhance capacity to still-quickly-growing markets in Latin America, especially LIM and BOG.

I'm sure that markets will grow eventually and maybe one day we could even see IB replace AA in the DFW route. Even MTY could be a future destination.

I would like to see IB also adding some more West Africa markets, and I think we could see some more Europe but mainly starting with IBX.
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:38 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 39):

If they want twin replacement sounds like they will have to go Boeing.
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:47 pm

Quoting thekorean (Reply 42):
If they want twin replacement sounds like they will have to go Boeing.

What, the 778? Yes, great aircraft but the A35J should be able to afford the same lift/performance for BOG, UIO, SCL etc as the A346 without having to resort to another type in the fleet.
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Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:50 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 41):
By the way today I noticed that IB is not the biggest Airline is Spain anymore, fleet, Vueling has 89 planes and Iberia only 74, how things are changing.

I would consider Iberia Express as part of Iberia, given that it was created only because problems with the pilot's union. Iberia Express currently has 19 A320s (2 "new" ones just came last week and there is another one coming in June), so counting on those the total fleet is 93 airplanes.
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RE: Iberia To Take Early Delivery Of Eight A330s

Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:34 am

Quoting mfc (Reply 44):
I would consider Iberia Express as part of Iberia, given that it was created only because problems with the pilot's union. Iberia Express currently has 19 A320s (2 "new" ones just came last week and there is another one coming in June), so counting on those the total fleet is 93 airplanes.

It's great to see all of them going up, even UX and Vueling, I hope Spanish airlines keep adding planes, expanding and being profitable, we have a lot of potential.

By the way how is situation now between pilots and IB?? I hope one day IB expand in a good pace and some of us, flying far from home have the chance to go back home and fly.

Quoting thekorean (Reply 42):
If they want twin replacement sounds like they will have to go Boeing.

Not really, it will depend on the market forecast IB has for some of that destinations, maybe they decide to add more flights with smaller planes, but I think the B777 has a little chance with IB.
 
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RE: Iberia To Take Early Delivery Of Eight A330s

Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:12 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 43):
What, the 778? Yes, great aircraft but the A35J should be able to afford the same lift/performance for BOG, UIO, SCL etc as the A346 without having to resort to another type in the fleet.

As long as the A35J offers similar performance as the A346 out of hot&high (or even slightly less but at much less cost), it should be the "natural" choice. The 778 only comes into consideration if ordered within an IAG context, sharing resources with BA if they also get 77X. As a subfleet just for IB it makes little sense. In any case, this decision won't come for years as IB will operate the A346's until they are ready for scrap. And by then, they should have good hard numbers on A35J and 778 performance.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 40):
They have 7 A340-300 and replace them with 8 A330-200, smaller frames but more of them.

They may have 7 A343 now, but several have been sold or retired without replacement during the restructuring. The correct comparison is with respect to IB's original pre-restructuring fleet of 17-19 A343's, which is being replaced by 8xA333 + 8xA332 - so it's actually even a slight downsizing. Hence perhaps why they want to advance delivery of A359's - the actual growth aircraft.
 
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RE: Iberia To Take Early Delivery Of Eight A330s

Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:09 am

IB CEO keeps saying that the A350 will join IB fleet in 2018 but they are choosing seats this month together with BA as Y class will be common for both airlines. And in most Census you still can see 2 A350 deliveries in 2016... Another IB mystery ...

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