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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:05 pm

Wrong thread title here.
Austrian never flew to MIA. LaudaAir was the company serving VIE-MUC-MIA.
The first act of Austrian after bying Laudaair was ending MIA!!!!!
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:45 pm

Was Laudaair a LCC? I know it code-shared with LH. I am interested to know what equipment OS will be sending to MIA during low-season (summer). Will it be a 767? Also which is a more-higher yielding city to MIA, LIS or VIE?
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:02 pm

Quoting Fastphilly (Reply 30):
Vienna is a second/third tier EU city that is far from being a economic giant. It's a EU leisure destination.

You may want to read this:
http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documen...4eb1-bb80-8279a9886b74?version=1.0

It basically shows that the metropolitan region of Vienna is ranked 10th in the European Union by regional GDP per capita. So there is quite a bit of economic activity round there.
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:02 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 43):
For instance, UBS PWM head office in the US is in NYC, with 8 additional offices in the US and not a single one in Miami or FL.

Miami is one of the largest base of operations for UBS in the United States. It pretty much runs it entire Latin American private wealth division from Miami, spread across three different offices.
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:57 pm

Mark is Lisbon a higher-yielding destination than Vienna from MIA? What is the PDEW for MIA-LIS? I personally would of preferred TK coming to MIA instead of OS. TK offers way more feed and better yields.

[Edited 2015-03-06 10:59:14]
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:50 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 51):
Was Laudaair a LCC?

Their slogan was: "Service is our success" ... Okay, it nearly went to bankruptcy if OS would have not been forced by politics to buy them.

So the idea was not to be a low cost carrier, but I high-service carrier. As far as I know, they where the first ones serving Do&Co food on planes (and in fact making Do&Co so strong in the aviation sector).
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:21 pm

Is OS making money on their long-haul flights? I know they are facing competition from TK on their long-haul flights.
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:58 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 56):
Is OS making money on their long-haul flights?

According to this interview with OS's CEO mid-2014, it does. FWIW.
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:55 pm

umm.. if you look on the UBS web site, they have "offices" in many places all over the Southern US. These offices are there to serve the local affluent people invest. Not a bad thing of course, but these types of branches do not drive high yield / high volume international flights. According to this web site: http://apps1.ubs.com/locationfinder/...Type=3&NavLB_APPS_PROD=1425754219, there are UBS offices all over the south. Baton Rouge. New Orleans. Birmingham. Huntsville. These offices are NOT driving international trade; they are there to serve the needs of local wealthy people, not the investment bank type of business that drives international flights (or could, but not always). Hell, there are even similar offices in my home state of Kentucky - one in Louisville, one inLexington and one in Paducah (!!!). don't confuse these offices for the huge investment bank operations that drive international business.
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:16 pm

Quoting Jasoncrh (Reply 58):
mm.. if you look on the UBS web site, they have "offices" in many places all over the Southern US.

UBS Financial Services does, they are branches. UBS AG does not, that is corporate.

[Edited 2015-03-07 12:17:06]
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:32 pm

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 59):

So why doesn't Miami or anywhere around (Coral Gables, Palm Beach, etc.) appear in any business area in UBS corporate website?

http://www.ubs.com/global/en/about_ubs/about_us/locations.html

http://www.ubs.com/us/en/wealth/priv...wealth-management/pwm-offices.html

http://www.ubs.com/us/en/asset_management/contact.html

In any case, I am pretty sure that the amount of people working at UBS in those "minor" offices like Atlanta pales compared to NYC or Chicago and are more customer-facing compared to more analyst/investment roles in main offices (NYC).

Btw no one has mentioned the likely greatest link between Zurich area and Miami

https://www.artbasel.com/miami-beach
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:44 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 60):
So why doesn't Miami or anywhere around (Coral Gables, Palm Beach, etc.) appear in any business area in UBS corporate website?

I don't know. UBS AG is at 701 Brickell Avenue. UBS has a large base of operations out of Miami for it's Latin American private wealth operations, not investing banking. There is little to none of that in South Florida.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 60):
Btw no one has mentioned the likely greatest link between Zurich area and Miami

https://www.artbasel.com/miami-beach

For vanity, yeah, it probably is the greatest link. Switzerland is Miami's third largest foreign trade partner (In 2013) and its not because of art.
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:08 am

Still the mystery for why MIA-ZRH is such a high-yielding route remains. Anyways Mark do you know if Lisbon is higher-yielding than Vienna?
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:37 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 62):
Anyways Mark do you know if Lisbon is higher-yielding than Vienna?

Dude, not to be rude. But you've been spamming this thread since it started. If you have a question. P.M. him.

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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:39 pm

What concourse will OS be flying out of? Is there much room left in concourse J?
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:35 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 64):
What concourse will OS be flying out of?

Yet to be determined. But most likely in Concourse J.
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:17 pm

Is this flight year-round or seasonal? The article Mark linked does not state which.
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:25 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 66):
Is this flight year-round or seasonal? The article Mark linked does not state which.

According to OS's website it will be year-round.
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:39 pm

I know that this flight was 6 years in the making. OS first announced interest in flying to MIA back in the fall of 2009, when I was still a sophomore in college. It seems they put a lot of thought on this route and they most likely they were studying the market in the past 6 years to determine when the right time to jump in was. The following quote is from the CEO of the company:

“The strong expansion to North America in recent years was a complete success. With Miami we are once again adding a new long-haul destination, consistently continuing with our business strategy” CCO Andreas Otto adds.
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:31 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 68):

You were a sophomore in college six years ago? Impressive, considering your profile indicates that you're between 16 and 20.
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:42 pm

I am 25. I have yet to update it. I also noticed the feed on the VIE end is minimal. Many of the flights to Eastern Europe are poorly timed for connections to N. America.

[Edited 2015-03-09 12:46:44]
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:43 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 70):

I am 25. I have yet to update it. I also noticed the feed on the VIE end is minimal. Many of the flights to Eastern Europe are poorly timed for connections to N. America.

Looking at arrival times into VIE, the following are feasible connections for an 0955 departure:

Kosice
Minsk
Tirana
Yerevan
Skopje
Krakow
Astana
Bucharest
Budapest
Sarajevo
Pristina
Sofia
Prague
Belgrade
Zagreb


As well as:

Delhi
Tehran
Tel Aviv
Linz
Graz
Klagenfurt
Innsbruck
Salzburg
Venice
Milan
Bologna
Munich
Stuttgart

Not bad feed.
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:12 am

I am talking about the return trip back to MIA.
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:25 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 72):
I am talking about the return trip back to MIA

The new MIA flight offers just about the same connectivity in VIE in both directions as the current JFK, EWR, IAD, ORD and YYZ flights, so I really do not see what your problem is now again?
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:33 am

I was talking about flights coming from N. America. All the US flights come in at around 8-9am, but connectivity from VIE at that time are poor. Which is why I doubt any of OS long-haul flights are making money. Was OS a larger carrier with more frequencies before the 2008 overhaul?
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:48 am

Quoting miaintl (Reply 74):
All the US flights come in at around 8-9am, but connectivity from VIE at that time are poor.

... and yet you are the one who just a couple of replies ago quoted:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 68):
The strong expansion to North America in recent years was a complete success.

The connectivity for North America longhauls arriving around 8.30am is just about as good as it gets for OS at VIE. Also, why would the airline knowingly add an expensive longhaul flight with just about the same schedule if none of the others were making money? Do you have some information none of us have access to?
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:17 am

Despite what the CEO of OS says, what make's them profitable? If LH cannot make MIA-MUC work, then what will make MIA-VIE work?
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:59 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 76):
If LH cannot make MIA-MUC work

Where have you been? Lufthansa resumed MIA-MUC in December and it's averaging great loads.
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:27 pm

But that flight is seasonal. It ends in April. What are the loads for that flight? Where can I find them?
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:35 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 72):

I am talking about the return trip back to MIA.

Which is what I addressed  

Still decent connectivity if looking at onward connections from VIE after arriving from MIA:

Budapest
Kiev
Prague
Moscow
Sofia
Skopje
Pristina
Bucharest
Krasnodar
Minsk
Varna
Vilnius
Dnepropetrovsk
Cairo
Erbil
Amman
Tel Aviv
Athens
Larnaca
Innsbruck
Graz
Klagenfurt
Salzburg
Linz

If you can wait 2-4 hours you can also connect to:
Chisinau
Tirana
Sibiu
Podgorica
Iasi
Krakow

And 4-5 hours:
Kosice
Warsaw
Belgrade
Zagreb
Sarajevo
Lviv
Dubai
Delhi

The above is just Austrian Airlines (based on a couple of random days) and doesn't include codeshare or interline partners. What major Eastern markets are they missing that you would like to see connectivity to?
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:51 am

I wonder what how much larger a market Munich is from Miami in contrast to Vienna? Which is higher-yielding? It seems both MUC and VIE offer similar feed and fly to the same markets so they have much in common.
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:52 am

Does anyone know if OS will deploy the 767 to MIA during off season (summertime)?
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:31 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 81):
Does anyone know if OS will deploy the 767 to MIA during off season (summertime)?

Year-round 777-200ER operation is what I've been told.
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:01 pm

LH Group know the traffic flows from Europe into and out of Miami, both O&D and connection. They know what they are doing in terms of frequency and demand.

Miami, although not a * hub, has extensive * presence from south of the border into central and south america, so provides connectioins on both sides of the route - just like Heathrow for example.

You may find that this service will free up more O&D seats for other group services into Miami.

The 777's may also be more suited for rotation purposes for this route.

Still awaiting the Aer Lingus route announcement. Huge demand to Ireland from South and Central America that isn't captured by EI, except via London.
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:09 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 83):
LH Group know the traffic flows from Europe into and out of Miami, both O&D and connection. They know what they are doing in terms of frequency and demand.

Miami, although not a * hub, has extensive * presence from south of the border into central and south america, so provides connectioins on both sides of the route - just like Heathrow for example.

Well said.

The LH group at MIA is just overwhelming.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 83):
Still awaiting the Aer Lingus route announcement.

Same here. So many rumors. Last year, an official at Aer Lingus said they were looking at a Florida City for 2015. Not sure what's been going on. Although, if Ireland's Government and IAG come to agreement. The chances of Aer Lingus coming to MIA just got a whole lot better.
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:24 pm

But is there really demand for 772 for the OS MIA-VIE route year-round? Why is MUC seasonal and VIE not?
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:39 pm

Quoting miaintl (Reply 20):
I am confident OS did their homework before doing this route. The management seems to disagree with the majority of the doubters here.
Quoting miaintl (Reply 85):

But is there really demand for 772 for the OS MIA-VIE route year-round? Why is MUC seasonal and VIE not?

You seem to be a bit conflicted. At the start of this thread you were claiming that the airline has done their homework knows what they're doing, yet now you're questioning them. What made you change your mind over the course of this thread?

[Edited 2015-03-22 08:40:13]
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:47 pm

Great to see OS spreading further in US. I hope LAX/SFO and IAH will following within the next 2 years, at least for first one I'm optimistic.
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:07 pm

I am a bit conflicted. Though I would like the know what the O&D numbers are for MUC and VIE from MIA respectively.
 
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RE: Austrian Returns To Miami

Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:10 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 83):
You may find that this service will free up more O&D seats for other group services into Miami.

The 777's may also be more suited for rotation purposes for this route.

Can you clarify what you mean here?

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