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Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 1): So that's an official (if indirect) launch statement for the A380 NEO. |
Quoting A342 (Thread starter): In an interview with a Germn magazine, John Leahy confirmed that the A380 programme is here to stay for the long term. |
Quoting chiad (Reply 3): I expect the NEO to be launched on the 51st International Paris Air Show in June this year. |
Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 1): So that's an official (if indirect) launch statement for the A380 NEO. |
Quoting A342 (Thread starter): "Yes, there have been discussions regarding its future, for example with the CFO of Airbus Group, who of course has to pay attention to costs. But that's his job. Now there's an unanimous agreement on all levels of the company to stick with the A380 for the long term." |
Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 1): So that's an official (if indirect) launch statement for the A380 NEO. |
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4): The Dubai Airshow in November combined with a big EK order seems more likely (IMO). |
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5): In my book that shows there are enough real world reasons that a well run & managed International carrier should go to the expense of having both VLAs. |
Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 1): So that's an official (if indirect) launch statement for the A380 NEO. |
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5): In my book that shows there are enough real world reasons that a well run & managed International carrier should go to the expense of having both VLAs. |
Quoting chiad (Reply 3): I expect the NEO to be launched on the 51st International Paris Air Show in June this year. |
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4): I don't know. The Dubai Airshow in November combined with a big EK order seems more likely (IMO). |
Quoting Flighty (Reply 8): The Richard Anderson view, that the A380 has no economic case without state sponsorship, applies. Germany is one of the main centers of Airbus production. |
Quoting Flighty (Reply 8): I can't think of a single reason why they have a single VLA over the 77W. |
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 5): "the 380 effect" |
Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 1): So that's an official (if indirect) launch statement for the A380 NEO. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11): As Chief Commercial Officer and Salesman, he really wouldn't say anything else, would he? |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11): If RR is willing to bankroll the engine, I expect it will go forward, |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11): but what I am interested in knowing is how the other Engine Alliance customers feel about having to be forced to switch to RR when it comes time to replace their frames or order top-up (for once the neo launches, |
Quoting A342 (Thread starter): In an interview with a Germn magazine, John Leahy confirmed that the A380 programme is here to stay for the long term. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11): If RR is willing to bankroll the engine, I expect it will go forward, but what I am interested in knowing is how the other Engine Alliance customers feel about having to be forced to switch to RR when it comes time to replace their frames or order top-up (for once the neo launches, I expect EA to pretty much end any continued development of the GP7200 and move purely to support-only). |
Quoting Finn350 (Reply 13): As EA is not willing to develop an engine for A380neo, the airlines really don't have a choice. |
Quoting EPA001 (Reply 12): In his position he can not afford to be too loose when making statements. Especially on the program which always grabs the headlines. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11): what I am interested in knowing is how the other Engine Alliance customers feel about having to be forced to switch to RR when it comes time to replace their frames or order top-up (for once the neo launches |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11): I am interested in knowing is how the other Engine Alliance customers feel about having to be forced to switch to RR when it comes time to replace their frames or order top-up |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11): AF likes to do their own engine MRO, so will we see another fight over the A380neo like we saw over the A350XWB? |
Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 2): And "Die Welt" is a big german newspaper from Hamburg |
Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 18): I think Airbus will keep tweaking the current model, probably getting another 5 or so percent out of it, which will be more than enough to satisfy any customer...especially since there aren't any alternatives for a VLA, nor will there be for at least decades to come. |
Quoting rheinwaldner (Reply 23): Not any NEO sale would automatically have become a CEO sale. In fact the CEO will not sell as much as a NEO would. This should be obvious. If the overall operating cost of the A380 is lets say X, the market segment, where it would be the preferable option has a certain size. Now as operating cost get reduced by the NEO, the market segment grows in which the A380 is the prefered solution. As demand grows on the trunk routes of an airline, there is a window in which the 779X might be their best option. If demand would be even larger the A380 comes into the picture. Now the point, at which the A380 would become the preferred aircraft of the two certainly depends on the capability and efficiency of both of them. So it absolutely makes a difference whether the NEO is offered or only the CEO... |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 24): But I expect the profit/cost delta between the A380neo and 777X will not be so greatly different than that between the A380 and 777 that we should see appreciably more A380neos in service than we do A380s. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11): but AF likes to do their own engine MRO, so will we see another fight over the A380neo like we saw over the A350XWB? |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 24): The A380, in any form, should become the option when it generates more profit than a smaller plane. In general, that will be when when operational realities restrict the number of 777 flights that can be operated to a point that the airline has to deny sales to profitable passengers due to lack of capacity and enough of those "denied" passengers exist to offset the higher trip costs of the A380. |
Quoting Gazdon121 (Reply 26): I think we will see more orders soon as airspace becomes crowded |
Quoting rheinwaldner (Reply 23): |
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19): So if and until the program is formally closed (and I am not claiming it will be; I have no idea and neither does anyone outside of Airbus), it serves him to speak as optimistically and positively about it as he can. |
Quoting gkirk (Reply 22): Always funny when I see that newspaper title, Welt is Scottish slang for Cock |
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 31): Leahy said it's here to stay? Well then! But Exactly what ELSE would he say?? This is an earth shattering statement?? |
Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 1): So that's an official (if indirect) launch statement for the A380 NEO. |
Quoting Flighty (Reply 8): The Richard Anderson view, that the A380 has no economic case without state sponsorship, applies. |
Quoting BiggerJetsPlz (Reply 1): So that's an official (if indirect) launch statement for the A380 NEO. |
Quoting Flighty (Reply 8): Agreed. A statement from Boeing that "The 777-200 is here to stay" would have no meaning unless it meant they plan to revise it and motivate new orders. |
Quoting astuteman (Reply 20): About the same as CX said when they were "forced" to take the GE90-115 on the 77W I guess, ending their 777 RR tradition. Money talks |
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 31): I don't think this is News, Do you? |
Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 34): I don't think any conclusions can be drawn from a single except. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 35): The question is will Airbus do enough to improve the business case for airlines to buy? I think so, but I'm curious as to the details. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 11): As Chief Commercial Officer and Salesman, he really wouldn't say anything else, would he? *grin* |
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19): Here's the thing: he wants to sell A380s. If he announces that they will be closing the line, then he can't sell any more airframes. Even those with production slots but no buyers will be difficult to sell because nobody wants to buy a new airplane that will lose support from the OEM in a known time (~20 years) and that will have almost zero resale value. So if and until the program is formally closed (and I am not claiming it will be; I have no idea and neither does anyone outside of Airbus), it serves him to speak as optimistically and positively about it as he can. Other than formal technical reports, I don't trust a lot of what OEMs say about their own market. Randy Tinseth went on record saying that the 739ER was better than the A321LR, which is absurd. OEMs will always sound rosy about any market in which they are offering a product. How much of that is due to genuine belief (without which they would not be offering the product in the first place) and deceptive self-interest is a matter of debate and only Mr. Leahy knows how much of each interest motivate him. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 35): The only engine vendor they lack is Pratt. |
Quoting racercoup (Reply 36): Just more BS from a man who often puts his foot in his mouth. |
Quoting astuteman (Reply 37): GIVEN THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE CFO JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS????? OF COURSE IT'S NEWS !!!!!! |
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 33): I'd be curious to find the context in which this statement was made. |
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 33): Until I know why John Leahy felt the need to make that statement, I will have less confidence in the A380 program's future than I had before I read this thread. |
Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 34): I could not find an English version of the interview.. The OP shared one remark made by Leahy from an entire interview. I don't think any conclusions can be drawn from a single except. |
Quoting A342 (Reply 43): If you had truly followed the commercial aviation scene, you'd have noticed that he is one of the most open people out there. Most of his predictions came true. And of those that didn't, he was always prepared to admit it. But I disgress. |
Quoting racercoup (Reply 36): He's the Rex Ryan of Aviation |
Quoting Plane Holland (Reply 47): |
Quoting Plane Holland (Reply 47): Concorde was also here to stay. We all know how that turned out. |
Quoting travelavnut (Reply 49): The definition of comparing apples and oranges. Different times, different industry, different market and completely different aircraft. |