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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:20 pm

Anybody have more info ?
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:22 pm

B4REAL, spelled like it sounds & @RickVanover on Twitter
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:23 pm

Delta Maddog it looks like trying to depart LGA
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:30 pm

 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:32 pm

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 1):
Here's a photo from Twitter
http://twitter.com/NYCAviation/status/573518004580917249

Very snowy condition at LGA! Hope no one is hurt.
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:33 pm

On Twitter, but unconfirmed it was 1086 ATL-LGA
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:33 pm

Quoting JetBlue1058 (Reply 2):
Delta Maddog it looks like trying to depart LGA

It was DL1086 from Atlanta trying to land according to flightradar24 on twitter.
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:36 pm

FDNY says it's on Grand Central Parkway (departing or landing to the SW)
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:36 pm

FlightRadar24 says N909DL.
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:37 pm

This is DAL1086 from ATL landing on runway 13:

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/klga/KLGA-Twr-Mar-05-2015-1600Z.mp3

03:20 mark.
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:37 pm

Video from passenger
http://instagram.com/p/z2kcdEiNtE/

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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:37 pm

Just saw grainy photo on CNN, glad they didn't end up in the water
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:44 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):

Video from passenger
http://instagram.com/p/z2kcdEiNtE/

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Amazing... doesn't look TOO bad... but why are the T/Rs retracted?

And are people exiting via the tailcone exit? Or did it come off due to the impact?
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:44 pm

FAA just announced that LGA will be closed until 1900 hours because of the blocked runway.
 
heyjoojoo
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:47 pm

Which runway?

What are T/R's?
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:47 pm

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 12):
Amazing... doesn't look TOO bad... but why are the T/Rs retracted?

You beat me to the punch..... would they be stowed when the engine is shut off after they stopped ?
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:49 pm

Quoting heyjoojoo (Reply 14):
Which runway?

13? I thought that was what they said in the link above. Also mentioned leaking fuel (perhaps) from the left wing.

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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:52 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 16):
13? I thought that was what they said in the link above. Also mentioned leaking fuel (perhaps) from the left wing.

-Dave

tv dude says they landed on 31....

As for the left wing, close up of left wing shows fencing wrapped around the end of it,
so wouldn't surprise me if the wing tanks are leaking
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:52 pm

Just saw PHL also has emergency!

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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:58 pm

Quoting bond007 (Reply 19):
Just saw PHL also has emergency!

Is there another airplane off the runway in PHL too?
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:00 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 18):
tv dude says they landed on 31....

Can't be 31, there's no ridge/fence line there. One of the previous links says 13.
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:02 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 21):
Is there another airplane off the runway in PHL too?

all I see is:

GROUND STOP PHL 1745 OTHER / EMERGENCY

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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:05 pm

Could not decipher that these are. What are T/Rs?
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:05 pm

Quoting mcdu (Reply 20):

Suggest title change to Delta MD-88 off runway at LGA

Agreed.

FYI, N909DL had 70,746 hours and 54,565 cycles as of January 1. MD-88 delivered December 29, 1987. A few pics here - http://bit.ly/1BUnRa5
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:05 pm

Quoting heyjoojoo (Reply 24):
Could not decipher that these are. What are T/Rs?

Thrust Reversers
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:06 pm

KLGA 051651Z 32016KT 1/4SM R04/2800V4000FT SN FZFG FEW006 OVC012 M03/M05 A3015 RMK AO2 SLP210 P0005 T10331050 $
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:07 pm

Thrust reversers.

Looks like everyone was lucky; got off without serious injuries; just a few minor injuries reported.

Acft doesn't look badly damaged at all.
 
milesrich
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:09 pm

If they decide to fix it, they will need a wing from one of the AA MD-83s they have stored. Starboard wing appears to have suffered some major damage.
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:09 pm

From PHLAirport on Twitter:

 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:09 pm

Quoting ranold76 (Reply 27):
KLGA 051651Z 32016KT 1/4SM R04/2800V4000FT SN FZFG FEW006 OVC012 M03/M05 A3015 RMK AO2 SLP210 P0005 T10331050 $

Thanks. Can you translate that for the rest of us ?
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:10 pm

CNN reported that part of the wing is damaged (L or R?) and that jet fuel is leaking. Obviously the nose gear must have collapsed.
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:10 pm

According to the ATC, they were landing on 13, overran the end of 13 where the 31 indication is for the runway going the other way. Go frangible concrete - probably helped keep them out of Flushing Bay. Would be cool to see pictures of the concrete after the incident when things are cleared off.

[Edited 2015-03-05 09:23:46]
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:11 pm

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 12):
And are people exiting via the tailcone exit? Or did it come off due to the impact?

Emergency exit. The tail cone pops off on purpose. Same system on the DC-9.
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:13 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 31):
Thanks. Can you translate that for the rest of us

KLGA @ 16:51 Z; Snow, Freezing, Fog; Overcast 1,200' Few 600'; 1/4 SM visibility; -3 / -5 °C; 320° 16 KT; 30.15" Hg
RVR: Rwy 04, 2800 to 4000 Feet
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:13 pm

Quoting stxbohn (Reply 33):
Go frangible concrete - probably helped keep them out of Flushing Bay

I read somewhere that embankment was built up to keep planes from the bay as well.
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:14 pm

Looks similar to another MD-80 type incident with AA 13 years ago....

AA Aircraft Slides Off Runway At OMA (by Rj777 Mar 25 2002 in Civil Aviation)
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 33):
Emergency exit. The tail cone pops off on purpose. Same system on the DC-9.

Not what i meant... I asked if the exit was actually being used or if the impact knocked the tail cone off.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 36):
Looks similar to another MD-80 type incident with AA 13 years ago....

A more apt comparison is the CO MD80 incident on the same runway in the same type of snow in the same month in 1994...
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:23 pm

Wind 320 at 16.....and they were landing on 13?
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:24 pm

Map and location Please
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:24 pm

Does LGA have an EMAS?
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:25 pm

Quoting BigSaabowski (Reply 39):

My thoughts exactly.
To actively root against anybody is just low, and I hope karma comes back at you with a vengeance
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:25 pm

Quoting BigSaabowski (Reply 39):
Wind 320 at 16.....and they were landing on 13?

My bad. After listening to the tape, the wind given to DAL1086 was 020 at 10.
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:26 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 36):
Quoting stxbohn (Reply 33):
Go frangible concrete - probably helped keep them out of Flushing Bay

I read somewhere that embankment was built up to keep planes from the bay as well.

Runway 13 does indeed have an EMAS system in place, but with this much snow/ice covering it I doubt it works.

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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:26 pm

FYI Runway directions are typically determined by the TRACON, N90. Not LGA Tower. This is due to the impacts on the other NY area airports. IIRC using rwy 13 at LGA closes TEB.

[Edited 2015-03-05 09:28:59]
 
catiii
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:27 pm

Quoting BigSaabowski (Reply 39):
Wind 320 at 16.....and they were landing on 13?

Thinking the same thing. The winds were variable between 320 and 020.
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:27 pm

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 37):
Not what i meant... I asked if the exit was actually being used or if the impact knocked the tail cone off.

I really doubt the impact knocked it off, but it was being used as an emergency exit yes. It's fastened very well, and it is jettisoned off and it provides a slide as well. Strange thing is I can't see the slide anywhere. Might have been removed after the fact to ease evacuation because the tail was so close to the ground anyway. But that's just speculation.
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:27 pm

N909DL. . Moderate damage, probably repairable. Special thanks to my flight attendant colleagues for a textbook evacuation including the use of the tail cone exit. Always HATED that drill in training every year!

Especially happy that no one seems to be seriously injured.

There is an evacuation slide located in the tailcone but it is a dark, narrow metal catwalk that you have to crouch very low to gain access to the area because there is a large, heavy metal beam that goes straight across the area that you have to get under without braining yourself. The exit/tail cone/slide is automatically armed for every takeoff and disarmed after a normal landing.

[Edited 2015-03-05 09:29:40]
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:28 pm

CNN's David Soucie FOS as usual stating 1086 hit the berm at 100 mph. My guess maybe 40 mph?
 
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DL MD-88 Off Runway At LGA

Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:29 pm

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 12):

Brakes issue, to me. PIC may have suddenly discovered that and kept the thrust reversers on for what he/she knew was going a long stop.

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