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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:29 pm

This picture of N914DL from October, 1996 might add a little insight. Aircraft was repaired and returned to service.


https://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0349317
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:30 pm

Couple of diversions:

Envoy 3682 - ATL-LGA, turned around on top of Baltimore, back to ATL
UAL 461 - IAH-LGA, switching NYC airports to EWR
AA 398 - BOS-LGA, going back to BOS
DL 1999 - DTW-LGA, went to BDL
DL 2522 - TPA-LGA, went to BDL
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:31 pm

Interesting that the airport is listed as closed until further not

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 40):
Map and location Please

We'll get on that right away.....

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 48):
There is an evacuation slide located in the tailcone but it is a dark, narrow metal catwalk that you have to crouch very low to gain access to the area because there is a large, heavy metal beam that goes straight across the area that you have to get under without braining yourself.

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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:31 pm

Quoting BigSaabowski (Reply 43):
After listening to the tape, the wind given to DAL1086 was 020 at 10.

Still a tailwind on a likely contaminated surface.

Quoting Boeing727 (Reply 44):
Runway 13 does indeed have an EMAS system in place, but with this much snow/ice covering it I doubt it works.

It would work fine. The plane would sink through the snow and then into the EMAS, which would then do its thing. But it seems like the plane went off the runway laterally before getting to it.

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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:32 pm

You can hear LGA tower at the time: http://www.liveatc.net/recordings.php
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:36 pm

Looks like the Delta from DTW landing behind them diverted to BDL, and the AA from BOS following that went back to BOS, and the DL from TPA went to BDL.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1999
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL398
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...2/history/20150305/1325Z/KTPA/KLGA
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:36 pm

What? No estimate for the cost of repairs yet?  

1. We have a photo
2. We have video
3. We have ATC
4. We have the weather
5. We are already talking about repairs

Really hard to comprehend almost instant information.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:37 pm

Sounds like Delta 1999 was next for 13, and cleared to land. Responders called 13 "closed" before tower told him to go around. Don't know if that means they were on 13 by then, or how close 1999 was.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:37 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 18):
tv dude says they landed on 31....
Quoting gregarious119 (Reply 7):
FDNY says it's on Grand Central Parkway (departing or landing to the SW)

News fail strikes again. 31 puts them in the water, not Grand Central.

Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 21):
Can't be 31, there's no ridge/fence line there. One of the previous links says 13.

Maybe, but the FDNY said its on Grand Central. Who the heck knows. LOL

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 41):
Does LGA have an EMAS?

Yes.

Quoting Boeing727 (Reply 44):
Runway 13 does indeed have an EMAS system in place, but with this much snow/ice covering it I doubt it works.

Yes, it does work. Probably better.

Quoting aerodog (Reply 49):
CNN's David Soucie FOS as usual stating 1086 hit the berm at 100 mph. My guess maybe 40 mph?

Or 10. LOL

Glad no one is hurt. Allows for a little brevity with the media disaster that is unfolding.

[Edited 2015-03-05 09:41:28]
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:38 pm

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 57):
Really hard to comprehend almost instant information.

Pretty incredible right?
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:40 pm

Listening to the archived LGA tower frequency around the time 1086 was supposed to land, the braking action was reported good by two aircraft prior that landed on 13.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:43 pm

Quoting A332DTW (Reply 61):
Listening to the archived LGA tower frequency around the time 1086 was supposed to land, the braking action was reported good by two aircraft prior that landed on 13.

This makes the most sense in terms of the runway it was using.
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:43 pm

Quoting pwdalmech (Reply 51):

This picture of N914DL from October, 1996 might add a little insight. Aircraft was repaired and returned to service.

Yes, but that was 19 years ago (which shocks me because I was a Freshman in college...and it can't have been 19 years). This airframe was delivered in December 1987.

Today an MD-80 with much more than scraped paint is probably a W/O. The wing is badly damaged with a punctured tank and could have spar damage. The nose section is probably badly beat up and I'd be shocked if the NLG is still attached. The engines probably ingested a thing or two. For a 27yo airframe, I see her having her next career in the beverage industry.
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:45 pm

Quoting A332DTW (Reply 61):

It actually sounds like those braking action reports came from aircraft departing 4.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:46 pm

Quoting pwdalmech (Reply 51):
This picture of N914DL from October, 1996 might add a little insight. Aircraft was repaired and returned to service.

914 is on its way to Philly.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N914DL
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:46 pm

Quoting Boeing727 (Reply 44):
Runway 13 does indeed have an EMAS system in place, but with this much snow/ice covering it I doubt it works.

Wouldnt matter, the aircraft went off the side before the EMAS, I believe the aircraft is pointed towards the east river perpendicular to the runway, curious as to what caused the wing damage, as its the other wing that would have dipped in a left turning skid
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:47 pm

Quoting skyhawk62507 (Reply 64):
It actually sounds like those braking action reports came from aircraft departing 4.

Negative, the same report was given to DL1999 for landing on 13.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:50 pm

The crash rescue responders informed tower that fuel was leaking heavily from the let wing.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:50 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 66):
Wouldnt matter, the aircraft went off the side before the EMAS, I believe the aircraft is pointed towards the east river perpendicular to the runway, curious as to what caused the wing damage, as its the other wing that would have dipped in a left turning skid

This will be interesting. If he/she had tried to cut short a stop to the terminal they'd be right of centerline. Maybe a blown tire mixed with a sloppy runway. If just speed, they'd be in the EMAS.
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:51 pm

Quoting stxbohn (Reply 52):
Couple of diversions:

And WN 3767 HOU-LGA turned around over the Chesapeake Bay to go down to ATL.
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:56 pm

Quoting 19November (Reply 58):
Sounds like Delta 1999 was next for 13, and cleared to land. Responders called 13 "closed" before tower told him to go around. Don't know if that means they were on 13 by then, or how close 1999 was.

We normally close the entire airport after an accident to allow for unrestricted emergency vehicle access. No matter how well-trained the ARFF and City vehicle drivers are, during an emergency there is a very good chance that with all the confusion and adrenaline pumping, someone will end up where they shouldn't be. This would be especially critical at night or in low visibility conditions like LGA had today.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:57 pm

Again CNN reported fuel on the left hand side which would explain why they evacuated on the right. The L.H. Wing may have contacted the berm first breaching the fuel cell and then cartwheeling nose first into the berm.

Passenger reports in the next couple of hours should clear this up.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:59 pm

Does anyone else think that they possibly dug the left wing into the runway on touchdown, what with the left direct crosswind and all? Would explain the left wing damage and why it's not a direct slide off the end.

[Edited 2015-03-05 09:59:37]
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:01 pm

CNN is reporting that the plane definitely landed on Runway 13 in snowy conditions with a very low ceiling. The best information is that the wind was from the east-northeast or the northeast, but it has been changing directions.

Miles O'Brien went through all of the questions that the NTSB will look into.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:04 pm

R1 door looks unusable due to being blocked by the fence. Possibly L1 as well? Can't tell in the photos. With damage to the left wing/fuel leak AND no usable exits in the front there weren't a lot of options left...right wing or tailcone. Those folks are lucky there wasn't a fire.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:07 pm

Just saw this picture on twitter of the scene from the other side of the berm. Looks like substantial damage to the nosecone and nose gear area. Perhaps some electronics bay damage and maybe a pressure hull breach.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_WhAMSXEAAngRy.jpg

[Edited 2015-03-05 10:15:32]
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:07 pm

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 12):
Amazing... doesn't look TOO bad... but why are the T/Rs retracted?

I'm guessing that you can't move the throttles to "shut off" without first retracting the thrust reversers (or at least stowing the deploy levers). I know it's this way on a CRJ, not sure about an MD-80.

Perhaps someone on here with MD-80 experience can help with this.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:08 pm

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 59):
Maybe, but the FDNY said its on Grand Central. Who the heck knows. LOL

Drove past on the Grand Central literally right after this happened (without knowing). Didn't see it. Possible I might have missed an MD-80's nose sticking out on the road in front of me, but I doubt it. No one else was slowing down either. I don't think it's there.
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:11 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 74):
CNN is reporting that the plane definitely landed on Runway 13 in snowy conditions with a very low ceiling

My take is that news media is basing it off of FA. If you follow the landing pattern it shows DL 1086 landing on 31. But looking at the pic at the beginning of this string, the pic seems to have been taken from C Terminal, which indicates a Rwy 13 landing based on the position of the aircraft, unless the aircraft spun around.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:14 pm



Quoting wxmeddler (Reply 76):
Just saw this picture on twitter of the scene from the other side of the berm. Looks like substantial damage to the nosecone and nose gear area. Perhaps some electronics bay damage and maybe a pressure hull breach.

Looks like that's taken from across the water in College Point with a zoom.

Not that I'm an authority on the subject, but looks like a W/O to me - whole thing looks even more scary from that angle.

Glad there apparently weren't any severe injuries.

[Edited 2015-03-05 10:15:32]
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:17 pm

Anyone diverting to EWR to JFK?
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:18 pm

Quoting polnebmit (Reply 79):
My take is that news media is basing it off of FA. If you follow the landing pattern it shows DL 1086 landing on 31.

The FlightAware track I'm looking at shows it landing pretty clearly on 13. Made an approach from the sound, then a left 270 to line up with the localizer for 13, ended up near the end of the runway that says 31 because obviously that's the opposite end of the same runway and people are just getting confused because of that.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting MVAair (Reply 82):
Anyone diverting to EWR to JFK?

From up the thread:

Quoting stxbohn (Reply 52):
UAL 461 - IAH-LGA, switching NYC airports to EWR

Obviously UA is to be expected. Not sure if any others have.

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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:22 pm

Quoting BigSaabowski (Reply 39):
Wind 320 at 16.....and they were landing on 13?

KLGA 051751Z COR 30015G21KT 1/4SM R04/2200V2800FT +SN FZFG VV007 M05/M07 A3017 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 SLP217 931040 4/007 933015 SNINCR 1/7 P0004 60028 T10501067 10006 21050 53010 $
KLGA 051716Z 33013KT 1/4SM R04/2000V2400FT +SN FZFG VV009 M04/M06 A3016 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 1/4 P0002 $
KLGA 051651Z 32016KT 1/4SM R04/2800V4000FT SN FZFG FEW006 OVC012 M03/M05 A3015 RMK AO2 SLP210 P0005 T10331050 $
KLGA 051640Z 32014KT 1/4SM R04/2400V4000FT SN FZFG SCT007 OVC012 M03/M05 A3015 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 PRESRR P0005
KLGA 051631Z 36009KT 1/4SM R04/3500VP6000FT SN FZFG VV012 M03/M05 A3012 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 P0004
KLGA 051622Z 01008KT 1/4SM R04/3000VP6000FT SN FZFG VV011 M03/M05 A3012 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 P0003
KLGA 051551Z 01008KT 1/4SM R04/2800V3500FT SN FZFG VV009 M03/M05 A3012 RMK AO2 SLP199 P0006 T10331050
KLGA 051524Z 04007KT 1/4SM R04/2600V2800FT SN FZFG VV009 M03/M04 A3013 RMK AO2 P0004

It does appear that they landed with a tailwind component.

And ugly day in any case.
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:25 pm

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 85):
Wind 320 at 16.....and they were landing on 13?

That's what the METAR said, but the accident flight actually asked for a windcheck while on final, and the controller said it was "020 at 10" which is almost a straight crosswind, so it's not quite as bad as the METAR might suggest, although it would still be a slightly downwind landing.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:26 pm

Looks like some pretty heavy snowfall at times. impossible to keep totally clear
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:26 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 66):
Wouldnt matter, the aircraft went off the side before the EMAS, I believe the aircraft is pointed towards the east river perpendicular to the runway, curious as to what caused the wing damage, as its the other wing that would have dipped in a left turning skid

Too early to know and this is pure speculation on my part, but if the plane veered off the left side and then the wing contacted the berm and fence it could have spun the nose to the left and up and over the berm. I haven't seen any pictures of the left wing, but if it is as badly damaged as some posters have suggested, this would explain how the wing was damaged and the nose ended up over the berm.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:27 pm

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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:27 pm

Quoting smokeybandit (Reply 86):

Wow, so close to ending up in the water.
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:28 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 54):
Still a tailwind on a likely contaminated surface.

Agreed. On an airplane that has a tendency to weathervane.

Does anyone know of the MD-88 thust reversers are keyed to wheel spin up or weight on wheels? Would be interesting to know...
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:28 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 30):
Quoting ranold76 (Reply 27):
KLGA 051651Z 32016KT 1/4SM R04/2800V4000FT SN FZFG FEW006 OVC012 M03/M05 A3015 RMK AO2 SLP210 P0005 T10331050 $

Thanks. Can you translate that for the rest of us ?

It is a METAR - coded weather observation for airport/pilots. I'll give it a try

KLGA = LaGuardia Airport

051651Z = 05 is the fifth day of the month, at 1651Z 16:51Z. So the weather observation was taken on March 5th, 16:51 UTC. (12:51 EST)

32016KT = Winds - winds are from 320 degrees at 16 Knots

1/4SM R04/2800V4000FT SN FZFG - Visibility = 1/4 statue miles, the runway visual range for runway 04 is 2800 ft varying to 4000 ft. What is obscuring is SN (snow) FZFG (frozen fog). A RVR is reported if visibility is reported under 1 mile else it won't be there. (I think)

FEW006 OVC012 = Cloud info - FEW clouds at 600 ft and OVERCAST at 1200 ft.

M03/M05 - Temperature - the temp is -03 C / dew point is -05C

A3015 - altimeter setting is 30.15 (inches of Hg, it is the same as the barometric pressure)

RMK = remarks (everything after remarks usually isn't that important to the observation.) A02 indicates it is an automated observation station. SLP = sea level pressure in millibars, T10331050 temprature info again. the fun one is the "$" remark - it means the station may need a repair.

I hope I have this correct and I hope it helps.

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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:29 pm

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 35):


I read somewhere that embankment was built up to keep planes from the bay as well.

That berm is designed to keep the water off the airport not the planes out of the water

Quoting skyhawk62507 (Reply 64):



It actually sounds like those braking action reports came from aircraft departing 4.

Departing aircraft would not provide a braking action report. Also you want BA reports for the runway you are using.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:29 pm

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 85):
It does appear that they landed with a tailwind component.

With a 1/4 mile vis. Yikes. ATC is going to get rolled on this.
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:31 pm

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 95):
With a 1/4 mile vis. Yikes. ATC is going to get rolled on this.

Right, but no one put a gun to the pilot's head to take the approach.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:33 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 96):
Right, but no one put a gun to the pilot's head to take the approach.

That's what I would think also.

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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:36 pm

While I do not know if this is a strong argument, I think this will likely be used as a reason not to extend the perimeter at LGA to allow West Coast. More fuel weight, slightly bigger aircraft, short runways, etc. Not a great mix in the Winter.
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:36 pm

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 95):
With a 1/4 mile vis. Yikes. ATC is going to get rolled on this.

The METAR appears to make it look worse than it was. The weather conditions supplied by the controller directly to DL 1086 on approach were that the winds were 020 at 10, and the runway visibility was more than 6,000 feet at the approach end, and 3,000 at the rollout end which is more than adequate, as evidenced by the fact that the 2 preceding arrivals made it in without going around.

It wasn't quite as bad of a tailwind, or quite as bad visibility as the METAR is suggesting, according to the tapes.

[Edited 2015-03-05 10:37:48]
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:39 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 63):
Today an MD-80 with much more than scraped paint is probably a W/O.

Parts are an issue with M80s right now. Even though they are being retired pretty quickly, their parts are being snatched up. Most likely a write off.

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