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Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 3): What change would you suggest? |
Quoting petertenthije (Reply 4): |
Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 5): I see, thank you for the information. The ground bit seems like it could be an issue. What is the difference between flying cargo in the hold of a pax aircraft then vs dedicated freighter ops? Other than large cargo that wouldn't fit in a pax aircraft, why would they need dedicated freighters instead of just using hold space? |
Quoting petertenthije (Reply 4): Something like "Could EK launch express delivery service". |
Quoting bill142 (Reply 6): It's not all oversize cargo that goes on the dedicated freighters. There's plenty of small boxes. |
Quoting petertenthije (Reply 4): As for the answer: anyone can do so, Emirates included. But they would be stupid to do so. They are far better of offering their cargo space to forwarders and express delivery companies. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8): No Airline gets their bellies or main deck capacities sold without freight forwarders Setting up a competition would mean flying a lot of hot air through the world. Freight forwarers would simply bocott hem and Airlines like LH, AFKL would have a field day. PS - do not confuse FX and UPS as freight airlines, they are Integrators. |
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 7): You can ship everything from livestock to full-sized cars in a large twinjet's belly nowadays; there's really not all that much which requires a dedicated freighter anymore. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 9): Agreed, but EK mostly flies to and from DXB. They would need other hubs to be an express delivery service. This is not the time to set up such an operation. Better to 'build from strength,' which means better relations with freight forwarders. One day they might become like travel agents, but not yet and it might never happen. |
Quoting mayor (Reply 10): Even if they flew to every other major city or hub, that still leaves alot of medium to small cities out of a freight network. All those packages that UPS and FedEx handle don't just go to ATL, MSP, LAX, etc., they go all over the country. The same is true in most every other country that they operate in. |
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 7): But the inverse is also true, and far more effective on the industry: You can ship everything from livestock to full-sized cars in a large twinjet's belly nowadays; there's really not all that much which requires a dedicated freighter anymore. |
Quoting chrisp390 (Thread starter): plus will cover the world much better than even FX does with their own metal I can imagine. |
Quoting mpdpilot (Reply 12): Now I don't know exactly how EK works, but if it works like most airlines, you could show up at the ticket counter/Freight desk and ship a small package with them to one of their destinations. The problem being, it would cost a lot more than the fastest shipping option with FX or UPS. Once again due to volume. EK doesn't have a lot of volume to each city, looking at their further cities from DXB (LAX, SFO) even less. |
Quoting B777LRF (Reply 13): pales into insignificance compared to that of DHL. You can, as a matter of fact, purchase a DHL product in more countries than you can buy a Coca-Cola |
Quoting petertenthije (Reply 4): As for the answer: anyone can do so, Emirates included. But they would be stupid to do so. They are far better of offering their cargo space to forwarders and express delivery companies. |
Quoting cougar15 (Reply 15): Such a move would be great for EK with high Revenue courier material filling their bellies, whilst TNT could do the european |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 11): we are talkin about international freight, not domestic. Cities not served direct can be served by road Feeder Service (trucks) hauling the cargo to the Gateways. |
Quoting chrisp390 (Thread starter): That got me thinking could they start a service similar to Fedex and UPS offering door to door express shipment services. |
Quoting mpdpilot (Reply 12): Now I don't know exactly how EK works, but if it works like most airlines, you could show up at the ticket counter/Freight desk and ship a small package with them to one of their destinations. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 14): Again, here i a mix-up between an Integrator and a combination carrier resp. a belly carrier. EK is, like most Airlines, not intersted in the private customer Business. especially not in today's world. Most carriers even send People who want to ship their excess luggage to a freight forwarder to handelt the documentation. |
Quoting mayor (Reply 19): Are we? |
Quoting mayor (Reply 19): Unless things have changed in the last ten years, you can't just walk up to the ticket counter or cargo office and ship something (with some exceptions). It has been that way since 9/11. That is in the U.S. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 20): you could not do that before 9/11 either. Some People you don't know mwalking into the Office tendering personal effects never got a booking, never were told a flight Number and there have been times when that cargo went into the pressure chamber for 24 hours before it was even touched and made ready for flight. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 20): yes, EK is not doing cabotage in the US last I checked |
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 18): The most difficult part of ground logistics is what is called 'the last mile'. This is make or break for logistics companies and why so many have failed in Asia where the last mile is really tough. |
Quoting mayor (Reply 21): I think we were talking about possible future plans, not what is currently done. If they were to set up a WORLDWIDE cargo operation, such as UPS and FX, all that would have to be worked out, I would think. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 24): Walk up ustomrs are very rare BTW,, the normal freight customers are businesses who call their freight forewarder to handle and pick up shipments. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 26): Again, UPS and FX are in a different field of Business, they are Integrators, not cargo airlines . |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 26): I worked in NY in the 70s and Airlines did not handle freight direct then and they did not in the decades after. Airlines are not set-up to do the freight forwarding Business. Cargo is 99,9% b2b and the 0,1% or less are pets and personell effects. |
Quoting mayor (Reply 27): With cargo a/c....? |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 28): We picked up or freight in the City with our own trucks and with triúcking Services which there were and still are many around JFK. We used our own truck delivering freight from our warehouse to the Airlines across Rockaway Blvd as well. Or to Container packing stations. Jersey customers pick up was farmed out and pick up across the USA was by whoever served the regions. |
Quoting mayor (Reply 29): Same thing at ORD, using ACI, in some part. Don't get me wrong, the Freight Forwarders tendered much more cargo to us than the ACI truckers did. ACI just acted as an agent for the airlines. They also did the pickup and delivery for our DASH service, if the shipper should so desire to have that done. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 30): are you talking about domestic? I talk about international freight. When I order a Trucker to pick up cargo than it is solely a pick up of freight. The Trucker dos nothing else, the freight forwarder is the architect of shipping, he has the customer relation, he has the Little helpers, like Truckers, he dos he customs Export and Import declarations and if the customers at both Ends want it, he does arrange the delivery as well. |
Quoting mayor (Reply 27): Did you not have freight picked up by ACI (Air Cargo Inc) |
Quoting ER757 (Reply 32): As to the OP's question - could they? - Sure. Would they? Heck no - they don't fly to nearly enough places to be efficient and they have no ground network at all. |
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 34): you don't need an extensive ground network to do this type of operation. IAG is currently doing it in certain US markets already with their IAG Connector. EK or any airline could offer this type of to-door service. |
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 36): not sure who they are using, but they continue to expand after starting I believe 2 years ago in 1-2 US markets and are now in the majority of their major cargo markets. |
Quoting mayor (Reply 37): Different situation......according to what I'm reading about IAG's Connector service, it's mostly a service for smaller freight forwarders, nearby the major airports it operates in. I doubt if a operation like that would expand to small town america, which is what we're talking about with UPS, FX & USPS. |
Quoting chrisp390 (Thread starter): With all the recent rumours of EK making massive new orders I can imagine they will have a solid presence in every corner of the world when it is all said and done. That got me thinking could they start a service similar to Fedex and UPS offering door to door express shipment services. They will have a lot of cargo space in all their flights plus will cover the world much better than even FX does with their own metal I can imagine. Maybe we could even see the A380F NEO launched by Emirates. What do you think |
Quoting 747megatop (Reply 39): Otherwise just about any large carrier with a significant international presence like LH or BA would do it. |
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 40): at LH for instance the product is called TD Flash wihich hasa late cut-off time and early delivery time (90 to 120 minutes Prior to departure/scheduled Arrival time) The infrastructure except the line haul is provided by thousands of freight forwarders around the world. |
Quoting CALMSP (Reply 41): Quoting mayor (Reply 37): Not necessarily. Its still a concept of moving small shipments beyond the airlines warehouse or freight forwarders facility. |