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TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:42 am

As expected, TK to get 4 more of the type.
I was hoping for some 777Fs but oh well.... A310s are retiring so need to make up the difference.
http://en.haberler.com/turkish-airli...y-4-a330-200-aircraft-from-674260/
 
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:52 am

First delivery April 2015, so I suspect the first aircraft may be MSN1550, originally intended for Avianca, but the last three will be actually new orders
 
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:15 pm

Yes no surprise as TK said its was seeking additional freighters and the short term.
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:25 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
I was hoping for some 777Fs but oh well....

I was wondering the same thing, can't TK Cargo use a few 777-200LRF's or does their current and future passenger widebody fleet provide enough belly cargo space for their intercontinental network?


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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:33 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 3):

their 773 fleet should fully support their need. The freighter more than likely move to destinations served outside of their network.
 
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:36 pm

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 4):
their 773 fleet should fully support their need. The freighter more than likely move to destinations served outside of their network.

Okay, so my question in this case remains, can TK Cargo use a few 777-200LRF's?


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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:12 pm

So how does TK make them work while it seems others can't
 
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:18 pm

Quoting CrimsonChin (Reply 6):

So how does TK make them work while it seems others can't


One word: Location. Most of Europe, Africa, the Middle East and India are within easy nonstop reach from IST.
 
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:23 pm

Great news to see the freighter market still has a little bit of life in it, still a long way to go mind.
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 8:40 pm

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
, can TK Cargo use a few 777-200LRF's?

Sure they even could use a 747F (which they have leased in at various times from folks like Atlas).

TK actually got extremely close to ordering the 777F back in 2009. The original 777 order was to be 10 77W + 2 77F instead of 12 77W and was changed at the last minute at the board level.
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:23 pm

When is the A310F being withdrawn.

Will they go to the USA, or be scrapped at IST.

Also is TC-JCO still there, or did they scrap it.

If so, do you know when scrapped.
 
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:15 pm

Apart from one re-allocated from AV, will TK's 3 new-build 332Fs be 242t?

It would seem sensible to build freighters onto the most capable frame, but I have not seen any announcement about a 242t A332F
 
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:41 pm

Quoting 76er (Reply 7):
Quoting CrimsonChin (Reply 6):
So how does TK make them work while it seems others can't

One word: Location. Most of Europe, Africa, the Middle East and India are within easy nonstop reach from IST.

And also no legacy infrastructure built around the wingspan of the 757 and/or 767. Those things seemed to be large factors at UPS, FX, and the USAF.

Hopefully the A330NEO will spawn one or more freighter variants, and given how they should carry more and/or burn less fuel they could help boost the A330F market.

On the other hand Memphis and Louisville and other existing freight hubs aren't going to be rebuilt any time soon and Boeing's contract for the USAF should keep 767s available for a long time.

It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:42 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 10):
Also is TC-JCO still there, or did they scrap it.

TC-JCO is long gone. It was an old A310-200, it was not even a freighter.
Was sold to scrapper in Nov. 2009 after withdrawn in 2008. It was parted out by Yildizlar Aviation in Turkey.
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:14 am

Thank you.

I wondered if it was gone, or just abandoned.
 
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:07 am

And confirmed internally that one of the frames is indeed C/N 1550 originally for Synergy Group.
Airbus aims to deliver aircraft to TK by end of April.
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:35 am

Love the fact that TK is buying more A330F

Great looking plane, much nicer then the boring looking stubby 777F, and it looks great in the TK livery
 
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:49 pm

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 17):
much nicer then the boring looking stubby 777F

We are just going to have to disagree on that. The 777F is the essence of raw power:


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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:48 pm

Internal cargo newsletter states planned delivery of the 4 frames are:

April 2015
April 2016
October 2016
January 2017
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:10 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Internal cargo newsletter states planned delivery of the 4 frames are:

April 2015
April 2016
October 2016
January 2017

So the first one will join the fleet already next month? That is quick.  
 
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:48 pm

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 20):
So the first one will join the fleet already next month? That is quick.  

Maybe an NTU* from another customer?



* - Not Taken Up (an airframe ordered and then cancelled prior to delivery)
 
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:49 pm

Yes mention in reply 16.

Stored NTU aircraft built for Synergy originally.
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:45 pm

Cargo operation is something totally different from passenger operations.A330F version looks having disadvantages compared to 747F and 777F.Both Boeing aircraft has range and tonnage advantages compared to A330F.On the other hand depending on the cargo operations you do, it may just be the right aircraft.In a cargo flight a 45 ton cargo doesnt necessarily bring you the income of a 45 tonne equivalent.Sometimes a 45 tonne can bring you income equivalent of 100 tonnes depending on what you carry.But your aircraft operating costs is still the same. If you are not holding a big share on the world cargo market,operating a 747F or 777F is quite expensive compared to A330F.

Turkish Cargo is new a kid on the block but it has a quite big potential.Still the 70% of its operations are done by underbelly cargo of the all passenger aircraft.With these new 4 aircraft the percentage of cargo aircraft will increase.

A recent example I had witnessed.THY has daily pax operations from IST to ORD.And some amount of cargo is carried with A340 pax.I've been planned a cargo flight with A330-200F İstanbl-Maastrict-Chicago-and return back via Maastrict-İstanbul.The maastrct was for refueling since with full cargo load A330F cant reach ORD nonstop(it can but with no reserve and contingency fuel and you may end up in trouble if you have higher head winds or high volume of traffic etc.)

When I went to dispatch we saw that the load was actually some "pipes" from Airbus factory to a customer in US.They are not heavy but coverd entire cargo area and were charged by their volume as it was fully loaded.So we took full fuel,aprox.11 hrs non stop to ORD,without any problems.(you can see the pictures of that particular flight in my facebook page "captain wings journey log)
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:36 pm

Quoting wing (Reply 23):
you can see the pictures of that particular flight in my facebook page "captain wings journey log

There are so many pictures, is it the photo from March 10?
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:19 pm

Quoting wing (Reply 23):
When I went to dispatch we saw that the load was actually some "pipes" from Airbus factory to a customer in US.

An Airbus factory in IST? Since when does it exist?
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:42 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 25):
An Airbus factory in IST? Since when does it exist?

I didn't mention any Airbus factory in İstanbul,the load was spare parts(looking like pipes) coming from Airbus going to ORD via İST.I don't know how they ended up in İstanbul,maybe its cheaper to send TK Cargo,or maybe the "pipes" were delivered to Turkish Maintenance first and not needed anymore,just guessing I don't know...

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
There are so many pictures, is it the photo from March 10?

Yes 10 march pictures are the return flight from ORDST.
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RE: TK To Buy Another 4 X 332F Cargo Jets

Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:02 am

Are there any plans at TK to convert all A332s, A333s and B77Ws into cargo planes as soon as being retired from pax service? Would be cheap and would convert TK cargo into one of the biggest cargo operators in the world.

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