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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:00 pm

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Closed Charter flight WLG-TRG-PMR-WLG

That could be fun in TRG if some of the passengers have Lounge Access!

How does that work with an A320 and TRG not having AVSEC? do they get limited to 90 passengers.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:37 am

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/aucklan...ion-air-nz-china-air-tie-bd-170469

I have no respect for the person who wrote this.

But at least there is a better piece from NZH: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11421775

In short: CA (and not CI!) will codeshare with NZ for a CA operated PEK-AKL by December.. Wonder what they'll use to operate this with. Surely the 772 would have to - I wouldn't expect the 332 to be able to make it. Either way, I can't see it being a success unless they price it super cheap and go at it for about a decade. And maybe it'll break even in 2025.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:57 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 101):
In short: CA (and not CI!) will codeshare with NZ for a CA operated PEK-AKL by December.. Wonder what they'll use to operate this with. Surely the 772 would have to - I wouldn't expect the 332 to be able to make it. Either way, I can't see it being a success unless they price it super cheap and go at it for about a decade. And maybe it'll break even in 2025.

Earlier indication was CA would start with A332 (payload restrictions?) from mid year with less than daily services but obviously they are now aiming for December daily services instead. CA will start to receive their 15 787-9's from later this year. I wonder if they would put the new aircraft on the new route, consistent aircraft model with NZ's PVG service.

If not mistaken, this is not a revenue sharing agreement but only a code share agreement. Since when did they start to label every single partnership an alliance?

CA probably don't need to make a profit on the route if they can carry enough pax onto the rest of their network (Northern China, North Asia and even Europe) to make it worthwhile. Remember PEK is CA's hub. NZ has completely different proposition in that they have to measure the success of the PVG route on the single route. Either way, I struggle to see the benefit of such an alliance for either airline. CA don't really need NZ.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:13 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 102):

Answers your question about the 789.. That's what they look to start it with. Wow, some articles are just so horrible but at least AusBT is trustworthy.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-new-zeal...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:49 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 103):

I would say this article here http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...iance-a-200m-tourist-boost-airport is way better then the AusBT article. Stuff have certainly done their home work on this one!
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:06 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 104):

Too much blabber, not really to the point or interest of most people.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:21 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 105):
Too much blabber, not really to the point or interest of most people.

I thought it was interesting. It's what I expect from a newspaper.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:31 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 105):
Too much blabber, not really to the point or interest of most people.

There's just no pleasing A-netters! If the article is too short on detail, it's simplistic, if it has a more insightful analysis it's too much blabber. I'm with Mariner - this article provides a level of detail that treats me like an intelligent person with an enquiring mind. Unlike most newspaper articles these days.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:50 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 104):
I would say this article here http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...iance-a-200m-tourist-boost-airport is way better then the AusBT article. Stuff have certainly done their home work on this one!

The NZ /CA PVG service is described as a "code share" . The upcoming CA/NZ PEK service is described as an "alliance". In this instance is there a difference ? If so I wonder why?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:49 pm

In the last few hours the Air NZ website booking function has begun to accept the EZE code, but no 'seats available' showing so far. A post on another forum says AKL-EZE will be bookable from Wednesday 25th March 2015.

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[Edited 2015-03-23 08:55:32]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:20 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 109):
In the last few hours the Air NZ website booking function has begun to accept the EZE code, but no 'seats available' showing so far. A post on another forum says AKL-EZE will be bookable from Wednesday 25th March 2015.

I'll be waiting for the promotional fares... but thanks for the FYI.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 108):
The upcoming CA/NZ PEK service is described as an "alliance". In this instance is there a difference ?

Yes, I wonder what the distinction is; does the PVG flight just have a block of seats bought by the Chinese partner, and is the PEK flight partially underwritten by NZ?

[Edited 2015-03-23 09:23:39]
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:13 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 110):
and is the PEK flight partially underwritten by NZ?

and thus some form of cost and revenue sharing agreement?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:37 pm

Do we know the extent to which the timing of AKL-EZE facilitates onward connections to Asia?

AKL-EZE doesn't make much sense as a route in isolation to me..... but in the wider context of connections through the South American continent, more so; and going the other way to destinations like PVG or SIN, definitely so. You could even have a EZE-AKL-PVG route (for example) using one aircraft and flight designation.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:19 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 112):
AKL-EZE doesn't make much sense as a route in isolation to me.

It doesn't make much sense to Air NZ either:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11379808

"NZ's Argentina flights fill gap for Aussies

More than a third of Air NZ seats expected to be filled by Australians, who lost a direct service in April.

Luxon also said he expected connections to and from Asia to initially account for about 10 per cent of traffic on Auckland-Buenos Aires."


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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:02 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 112):
You could even have a EZE-AKL-PVG route (for example) using one aircraft and flight designation.

The present PVG timetable would need to be changed by ~ 12-hours if it is to be of use as a connecting flight to an early evening departure to EZE.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:09 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 114):

The present PVG timetable would need to be changed by ~ 12-hours if it is to be of use as a connecting flight to an early evening departure to EZE.

Indeed. But the South America - Asia market seems like it's there for the picking. This is the one route scenario where New Zealand is not "end of the line".
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:23 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 112):

Do we know the extent to which the timing of AKL-EZE facilitates onward connections to Asia?

AKL-EZE doesn't make much sense as a route in isolation to me..... but in the wider context of connections through the South American continent, more so; and going the other way to destinations like PVG or SIN, definitely so. You could even have a EZE-AKL-PVG route (for example) using one aircraft and flight designation.

The difficulty is that there's no easily-manageable schedule that allows high quality connections to both Australia and Asia in both directions - it's one or the other destination, and (in the case of Asia) eastbound or westbound.

I think I recall that there was a post a couple of months back which said that they had seen the schedules up on the NZ system, very briefly, before they were taken down again, and that the schedule chosen will be similar to the SFO/YVR schedule - early evening departure from AKL and early morning arrival back in AKL. Meaning that Australia has been favoured over Asia for NZ metal conenctions.

However, with the code-share arrangements that have been made with CX in particular, there is a whole lot more flexibility, and there are halfway-decent connections to HKG possible.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:32 pm

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 116):

Well NZ could retime Asian services to leave AKL at 0900/1000 returning at 1400/1500 less connections beyond asia ports then but shorter for AKL-EZE. Someone said less 777 short haul when EZE starts maybe extra HKG/PVG flights that connect to EZE then? With 763s kept longer covering shorthaul capacity?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:36 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 110):
Yes, I wonder what the distinction is; does the PVG flight just have a block of seats bought by the Chinese partner, and is the PEK flight partially underwritten by NZ?

I doubt CA would buy seats on the PVG service as PVG really is not a CA hub.

ACCC proposes to block the alliance between QF and MU this morning which led me to think the initial 3 weekly AKL service starting mid year leaked by CA being pushed back and converted to daily has something to do with satisfying regulators to increase capacity. Maybe NZ are buying seats on the PEK service after all.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:04 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 117):
Well NZ could retime Asian services to leave AKL at 0900/1000 returning at 1400/1500

That's not such a bad idea - in fact it would make for quite efficient use of wide-body aircraft. An aircraft could operate AKL-USA and return (approx 1.5 days) and then AKL-Asia return (also approx 1.5 days or a bit less). Effectively it would limit the number of WB aircraft available for daytime flights to Australia or the Islands, but they're getting pretty close to the practical limit there anyway. With six WB arrivals in the morning right now (LAX x2, SFO, YVR, SFO/LAX and PVG) plus possibly a seventh soon (ORD or whatever and EZE) there aren't that many things to do with the aircraft pending the night flights outward - SYD x2, BNE, MEL, NAN, RAR and that's about the practical limit). So retiming Asian flights in this way may have some merit.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:03 am

Wow a big push from all 3 of the major Chinese airlines this month, and add to the CX A350 next year oh my!

China Eastern Airlines will fly year round between Auckland and Shanghai as air links between the two countries expand rapidly.

The four flights a week service will start in September.

China Eastern operated a seasonal service for the first time on the Auckland-Shanghai route from December last year to this month and that proved successful enough to step it up to year-round.

Auckland Airport's general manager aeronautical commercial Norris Carter said the service would add 100,000 seats per year on the route, contributing an estimated $122 million to the New Zealand economy.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11422290

"Air China's Auckland-Beijing service valued at $200m"

Competition for air travel between New Zealand and China is set to intensify with plans by Air China to fly daily direct flights between Auckland and Beijing this year.

The airline yesterday released details of a proposed deal with Air New Zealand which could result in services starting in December if an alliance with Air New Zealand is approved.

The proposed service - which Auckland Airport estimates could be worth $200 million in tourism spending to this country - would be in addition to Air New Zealand's existing Shanghai-Auckland service. Air New Zealand pulled out of its struggling twice-weekly Beijing service in 2012 to concentrate on Shanghai.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/grant-brad...cle.cfm?a_id=351&objectid=11421854

can't see NZ hanging around in PVG much longer. they best get around to their pacific dream routes soon!
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:14 am

Kia Ora!

I am flying on NZ289 on Suday. Do you know if it is scheduled to be a 787-9? Is it possible to pay for upgrade in PVG? How much would a typical business upgrade cost?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:58 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 121):
Kia Ora!

I am flying on NZ289 on Suday. Do you know if it is scheduled to be a 787-9? Is it possible to pay for upgrade in PVG? How much would a typical business upgrade cost?

Kia Ora

Scheduled to be a 777-200 on sunday.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:15 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 121):
How much would a typical business upgrade cost?

Upgrade = fare difference, so what ever the current J fare is take away what you paid for you Y fare.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:46 am

Quoting nzrich (Reply 122):

Thank you for replying quickly. I see it flies almost every day as a 787. Is there anyway to know when it is a 777 or 787, or is there no weekly pattern?

Quoting zkncj (Reply 123):

Thanks!
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:44 am

Quoting oykie (Reply 124):
Is there anyway to know when it is a 777 or 787, or is there no weekly pattern?

Just do a test booking on www.airnz.co.nz or .com - it shows you the options and the aircraft  

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:08 am

Attempts to re-establish air services in Wairarapa remain grounded, though various proposals have been mooted since Air New Zealand axed its weekday service early last year.

Wairarapa has been more than a year without a service and seems no closer to finding a replacement.

In August last year Masterton District Council accepted a proposal from Vincent Aviation to operate weekday flights using a 34-seater Saab aircraft from mid-November but this plan never took flight. The Vincent Aviation bid, backed by several local businessmen, struck turbulence in October when the company went into liquidation.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:17 am

$1798 leadin fare plus ccard ripoff fee for EZE. Onward connections on TK, AV and AR to GIG GRU LIM. Fares for those in $2100-2400 bracket... all on website from today.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:24 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 120):
can't see NZ hanging around in PVG much longer. they best get around to their pacific dream routes soon!

Really?! I was of the understanding that these were well on track with CI codeshare on the route helping the route to profitability. The PEK-AKL JV should enhance the PVG service by making it possible to enter one point and exit the other on the same ticket.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:20 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 128):
Really?! I was of the understanding that these were well on track with CI codeshare on the route helping the route to profitability. The PEK-AKL JV should enhance the PVG service by making it possible to enter one point and exit the other on the same ticket.

By CI I assume you meant CA. I think the 789's are really a game changer for the PVG route. I have had relatives travelling on the route frequently and I can report back flights are usually full in all 3 classes due to a much smaller Business cabin. Recognition Upgrades to Business used to be virtually guaranteed but they now it's often decided at the gate.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:16 pm

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 129):
I have had relatives travelling on the route frequently and I can report back flights are usually full in all 3 classes due to a much smaller Business cabin.

This would suggest that NZ have the 789 seating configuration about right for this market !
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:29 am

looks like NZ has put on an extra 772 service on Sunday morning to Melbourne at 0830, and leaving at 0230 on Monday morning!

Selling very fast only 69 seats left this afternoon at $990 return!

Friday is now sold out, and Saturday only has the early morning VA Flight.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:34 am

Flew back from SYD to AKL yesterday lunchtime on 773 in biz back from holiday, looking a bit tired but always nice. Today flew back to SYD, bought a Biz ticket as it was $200 cheaper than works and to my surprise instead on the 763 I got the 772U - all upgraded with new product, the biz has had a few tweaks, well most notable the screen is updated and feels less tinny opening/closing, plus it has the new technology found on Dreamliner. PE looked good and I have tried the seats on Dreamliner several times so I know the feel good too! Ahh, fresh seating and carpet is bliss.....
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:57 am

What happened to LAN 800 on the 26th? Did ZK-OKM get repainted whilst in Singapore?

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 101):
I have no respect for the person who wrote this.

   Oh dear.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 98):
Anyway back on the topic of repaints, is another *A logojet due?

I don't think ZK-OJH got painted out of the Star Alliance livery did it?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:04 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 133):
What happened to LAN 800 on the 26th?

On the 24th LA801 (CC-CQA) SCL-AKL-SYD was rescheduled due to mechanical reasons.
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:06 am

NZ has issued new protocol requiring 2 crew members in cockpit at all times effective immediately this morning.
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:50 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 135):

This presumably can mean a cabin crew member when either of the aircrew are relieving themselves.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:51 am

I know it'd never be a thing, but I was looking at my Blackcaps singlet today.

How amazing would the new NZ livery actually look if it took that blue, black (and actually!) gold theme?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:35 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 137):

I know it'd never be a thing, but I was looking at my Blackcaps singlet today.

How amazing would the new NZ livery actually look if it took that blue, black (and actually!) gold theme?


Would look pretty damn good!
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:41 am

So from a pretty high source in NZ I heard that they are considering ordering another 2x 77W!
Also the 77W to retain the premium economy pods rather than the new 787/777 Premium Economy seats. Apparently they are quite popular with Americans and so will be operating to LAX twice daily (and on to LHR for 1). Looks like SFO will go daily 77W at some stage too along with the 2nd flights.
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Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:06 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 139):
Also the 77W to retain the premium economy pods rather than the new 787/777 Premium Economy seats. Apparently they are quite popular with Americans and so will be operating to LAX twice daily

Wasn't that confirmed along time along that the 77W SpaceSeats are here to stay for the N.American Market? after all AKL-LAX is twice the price of AKL-NRT in PE.


Wouldn't be surprised if they gain an extra 2x 77W, they seemed to be hinting about it for the last 6months. Once EZE starts things are going to be an bit tight with the 77W and if they want to start an 4th USA Destination, they are going to need more 777s.

The question is how fast can they get them? does Boeing have any spaces in the next 12months? Maybe Boeing will be willing to supply two 77W in an deal for that extra 8-10x 789s they talked about last year? along with the 777X?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:39 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 140):

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 139):


Wouldn't be surprised if they gain an extra 2x 77W, they seemed to be hinting about it for the last 6months. Once EZE starts things are going to be an bit tight with the 77W and if they want to start an 4th USA Destination, they are going to need more 777s.

The question is how fast can they get them? does Boeing have any spaces in the next 12months? Maybe Boeing will be willing to supply two 77W in an deal for that extra 8-10x 789s they talked about last year? along with the 777X?

I'm sure Boeing could supply 2 fairly quickly. The last 2 didn't take long. I'm sure they're keen to get NZ onboard with the 779 so if they can keep them happy now that will help later. As I see it they "need" 5.5-6x 77W to operate LHR, 2x LAX, and Tasman add ons. Going daily to SFO with 77W would require another 1.5 taking it to 7-7.5x 77W. Using it for IAH would require another 1.5x taking us up to 8.5-9x. In reality a bit of rejigging would bring this back to 8x giving a little bit of wiggle room for mx etc especially if some of the Tasman flying is reduced.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:53 am

look for some news on the 767s in the near future as well
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:51 am

Quoting duff (Reply 142):


Reply 142, posted Fri Mar 27 2015 22:53:51 your local time (52 minutes 52 secs ago) and read 46 times:

look for some news on the 767s in the near future as well


I'm pretty sure NZ has already said they intend to keep them for at least a year longer than planned due to the drop in fuel prices but also to allow for growth while waiting for all the 789s to arrive. they're still a great aircraft and if they can be kept on flights of less than 8 hours then they're more than capable of doing the job cost effectively. Maybe even a new route.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:47 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 141):
especially if some of the Tasman flying is reduced.

If they dropped the daily 77W AKL-MEL-AKL and AKL-BNE-AKL they would have an slight problem, as these flights are always near full. They also allow NZ to sell an decent product from MEL-AKL-LAX/SFO and BNE-AKL-LAX/SFO
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:27 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 144):

If they dropped the daily 77W AKL-MEL-AKL and AKL-BNE-AKL they would have an slight problem, as these flights are always near full. They also allow NZ to sell an decent product from MEL-AKL-LAX/SFO and BNE-AKL-LAX/SFO

Depending on what they have planned they could use 77E or 789 with increased frequency/extra A320 flight. I think MEL would probably stay on for the business market etc.
QF is being surrounded by a sea of 777. Beat they wished they'd ordered them. Especially now that ETOPs etc are being relaxed. Only a matter of time before CASA follows suit.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:33 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 145):
Only a matter of time before CASA follows suit.

They are accepting applications starting July 1st according to their January 2015 advisory publication
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:42 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 141):
with the 777X?

I'm sure Boeing could supply 2 fairly quickly.

From Boeing's order schedule ALC have 16 undelivered 77W positions. -OKR and -OKS are subject to ALC leases according to AirFleets. Is there any chance of a second USA to UK city pair ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:09 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 144):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 141):
especially if some of the Tasman flying is reduced.

If they dropped the daily 77W AKL-MEL-AKL and AKL-BNE-AKL they would have an slight problem, as these flights are always near full. They also allow NZ to sell an decent product from MEL-AKL-LAX/SFO and BNE-AKL-LAX/SFO


While I would agree with you on BNE, NZ123/NZ124 have in my past experience usually been half full to almost empty (123 in particular). The exception being school holiday periods. Has this changed recently? Cargo on the other hand…. You're right about product consistency though, and a lot of the people in J were onwards connections from the US.

Anyway, nothing that could't be managed with additional narrow body or 767/772 capacity on the routes, although as mentioned above, the ability to get an additional TT return out of the long haul aircraft makes a substantial difference in utilization as well as enhancing roster efficiency (tech crew mainly).
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:37 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 147):
Is there any chance of a second USA to UK city pair ?

What did NZ do with their other LHR rights once they ceased the HKG-LHR leg? Do they still hold them, and would U.S. authorities allow a second flight from one of their ports? What could be a viable port? Where would they be able to gain enough premium traffic on the northern polar leg?

So many questions…
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