New Zealand Aviation Thread 155

airnewzealand · Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:12 pm

Duff is referring to the product on the B767.

Look for an announcement on the A320 also...

Cheers

Motorhussy · Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:35 pm

As in the hard cabin product? Is it going to PE class instead of the halfway house J-class that currently exists? This would be great for the 763 and the A320 international fleets.

sunrisevalley · Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:35 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 149):
What did NZ do with their other LHR rights once they ceased the HKG-LHR leg?

I think they leased the LHR slot to CX. Presumably they could get it back with due notice. Posters have talked about MAN. in times past. Perhaps from SFO. Some have put forth YVR-MAN but I don't see YVR having enough originating traffic. But a 789 could certainly help the cost side and be of a size where a pretty decent load factor is a good possibility. Of course , what does the Canada/ NZ bilateral permit?

Motorhussy · Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:19 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 152):

And why would the airline go to the expense of setting up a new crew base, infrastructure etc for Britain's second port if they have rights to 2nd dailies in one of the world's most in demand airports?

continental004 · Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:45 am

Are trans-Tasman flights often downgauged to narrowbodies during the southern winter? I'm flying NZ703 at the end of July and it was downgauged to a 320 from a 773.

sunrisevalley · Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:52 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 153):
And why would the airline go to the expense of setting up a new crew base, infrastructure etc for Britain's second port if they have rights to 2nd dailies in one of the world's most in demand airports?

There appears to be good service to LHR. So far as I can see LAX-LHR is 7x daily; LHR from SFO 4x and from YVR 2x . I am continually surprised at the traffic that EK is generating to and from MAN and BHX. Each day from MAN 2-A388 and 1-77W and from BHX 2-77W . More seats than AKL- North America.

zkncj · Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:04 am

Quoting airnewzealand (Reply 150):
Duff is referring to the product on the B767.

Maybe an refit with 2-4-2 in Y? UK Charter Airline Specs?

Quoting continental004 (Reply 154):
Are trans-Tasman flights often downgauged to narrowbodies during the southern winter? I'm flying NZ703 at the end of July and it was downgauged to a 320 from a 773.

Not typically, if anything they usually upgrade a320s to 767/777s. NZ likes to keep its short-haul fleet very flexible, and keep changing allocations subject to loads. Every week there is an slight difference on the Tasman.

Anything NZ300-999 is typically an A320 service

aerorobnz · Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:27 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 155):

Much of the EK traffic is subcontinent VFR traffic DEL/BOM/KHE/DAC etc. There is a huge network to feed so it is easy to fill a service to feed both major DXB hub banks. The same not applicable for NZ

ZK-NBT · Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:31 am

NZ have said no more 1 stop flights. While that could change if it did I'd probably see it as SFO-LHR better yeilds via the US than anywhere else and they Already have a crew base at LHR. However I think more 77Ws would be for North America allow daily SFO and the third LAX which is permanent for now plus maybe 3x weekly ORD?

Quoting continental004 (Reply 154):

Usually that flight is a daily 777/787 in summer with most days seeing A320s in winter. The widebodies go to the Islands more in winter NAN/RAR/APW plus MEL/BNE get daily 777s yearround. SYD gets atleast 2 763s a day and sometimes a 777 in winter generally.

xiaotung · Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:49 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 152):

I think they leased the LHR slot to CX. Presumably they could get it back with due notice.

Getting it back would mean the end of the CX alliance? I assume that was part of the CX deal?

ZKOJH · Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:41 am

the CX alliance is between HKG and AKL? - NZ gave up on the seceond LHR flight because it wasn't making money, the slot went to CX.

The Air New Zealand and Cathay Pacific alliance which covers code-sharing between the two carriers’ services between New Zealand and Hong Kong Kong, will take effect from 31 January 2013.

From this date members of Air NZ’s Airpoints and Cathay’s Asia Miles programmes will be able to start earning points on the code-share flights on eligible fare types. Redemptions using miles are slated for later in the year.

http://www.airlinehubbuzz.com/air-ne...nd-cathay-pacific-alliance-begins/

xiaotung · Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:35 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 160):
the CX alliance is between HKG and AKL? - NZ gave up on the seceond LHR flight because it wasn't making money, the slot went to CX.

Yes, but I was under the impression that CX agreed to come to the table because NZ would pull HKG-LHR and lend them their LHR slot.

Oykie · Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:37 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 125):

Quoting oykie (Reply 124):
Is there anyway to know when it is a 777 or 787, or is there no weekly pattern?

Just do a test booking on www.airnz.co.nz or .com - it shows you the options and the aircraft

Cheers
micha

Hi,

Yesterday to my great surprise there was actually a 787-9 standing at the gate. The new 787-9 from Air New Zealand is really great. The seats are very comfortable and so is the rest of the experience. People who complain about 9 across on a 787 should try this confit. I am very tall and heavy but I had a good 11.5 hour flight. I have tried United and Norwegian 787, but Air New Zealand has the most comfortable seats. the 787 makes for a very enjoyable flight.

continental004 · Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:50 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 156):
Anything NZ300-999 is typically an A320 service

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 158):
Usually that flight is a daily 777/787 in summer with most days seeing A320s in winter. The widebodies go to the Islands more in winter NAN/RAR/APW plus MEL/BNE get daily 777s yearround. SYD gets atleast 2 763s a day and sometimes a 777 in winter generally.

Ah. The flight number must have changed from 103 to 703 without me noticing. Now that I see it, the AKL-SYD flight in that timeslot is normally NZ 103. I will be flying NZ 124 back to AKL from MEL en route home to LAX.

I could kick myself for not springing out the extra USD$100 for a 789 on the route to SYD!

Gasman · Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:33 pm

I just received a bottle of 2014 Villa Maria Sauvignon Blanc from NZ by courier post. The card, from Mark Street (Head of Customer Loyalty) read Change can be an inconvenience, so while the Airpoints programme transitions between financial partners, I wanted to thank you for your loyalty to Air New Zealand.

Firstly - thanks, Mark. Secondly - intriguing, on a few levels.

1. That this was felt to be necessary. We have learned, over the last ten years or so, that NZ do not dispense "frills" where there is no clear identifiable payback. NZ have obviously perceived that there is considerable acrimony over the cancellation of the Global plus programme, and they need to make a gesture. But I thought the cancellation of Global Plus was initiated by the Bank of New Zealand and not the airline anyway.

2. Of all the irritations NZ has sent my way over the last 10 years, cancellation of Global Plus would rank way, way down the list. Put on top of that going 10 abreast on the 777, massively overpriced fares to the US, overdoing marketing gimmicks like jokesy safety videos and LOTR, the overall move towards a LCC model and a reduction in professionalism, the lounges providing less comfort than the wider terminal, no VLA in the fleet, no J class on trans-tasman A320 sevices.......... I could go on and on.

3. What would this have cost? The wine is worth at least $8.95. Packaging, courier costs at least another $10. Lets say the unit cost would have been $20, minimum. I can only presume that this gift was sent to several thousand members.

4. It's kind of too late. My loyalty was let go with no small amout of reflection some time ago. What airline loyalty I still do have goes to Qantas.

[Edited 2015-03-30 13:44:47]

[Edited 2015-03-30 13:46:11]

texan · Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:00 pm

Interesting comment from an article in the Vietnam Airlines thread saying that VN is looking at starting services to WLG by 2020.

http://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2015/03/vn-aviation-to-expand-network/

Texan

Motorhussy · Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:06 pm

Quoting Texan (Reply 165):
Interesting comment from an article in the Vietnam Airlines thread saying that VN is looking at starting services to WLG by 2020.

http://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2015/03/vn-aviation-to-expand-network/

Texan

Well that would be a coup for Wellington International Airport and Infratil.

byronicle6 · Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:15 pm

Air NZ to start 787-9 service to SIN from 16 Nov 15

Air New Zealand in Northern Winter season plans to begin Boeing 787-9 operation on Auckland – Singapore route, replacing Boeing 777-200ER. The 787 will be operating on daily basis.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/03/30/nz-sin-w15/

Interesting... I wonder if it will be on a current layout 789 or the rumoured new layout 789 with a more premoium configuration?
There should now be enough slack now in the 77E fleet to start the new, long awaited US route for the peak Northern Winter season, or maybe they have other plans.

xiaotung · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:01 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 164):
1. That this was felt to be necessary. We have learned, over the last ten years or so, that NZ do not dispense "frills" where there is no clear identifiable payback. NZ have obviously perceived that there is considerable acrimony over the cancellation of the Global plus programme, and they need to make a gesture. But I thought the cancellation of Global Plus was initiated by the Bank of New Zealand and not the airline anyway.

NZ have basically done the same to BNZ as they did to their frequent flyers with added ancillary revenue. BNZ went from the exclusive Airpoints partner to increased competition from other banks and having to pay for Status Points given to members. I imagine the profit margin for those GlobalPlus products are way thinner than a few years ago not to mention the lost opportunities to Kiwibank, ANZ, and Amex.

If not mistaken, former NZ Head of Loyalty quit NZ to join Westpac. It's hard to say there was not something going on there.

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 167):
Air NZ to start 787-9 service to SIN from 16 Nov 15

Air New Zealand in Northern Winter season plans to begin Boeing 787-9 operation on Auckland – Singapore route, replacing Boeing 777-200ER. The 787 will be operating on daily basis.

This is indeed interesting. I thought SIN would fill a 777 much more comfortably than PVG but now they have ended up with the exact same capacity. Hopefully it's not an indication of SIN not doing well but like you said they need the aircraft for a new route.

Also this morning they announced that they have axed the seasonal NRT-CHC flights.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11425837

Unclekoru · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:09 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 168):
Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 167):
Air NZ to start 787-9 service to SIN from 16 Nov 15

Air New Zealand in Northern Winter season plans to begin Boeing 787-9 operation on Auckland – Singapore route, replacing Boeing 777-200ER. The 787 will be operating on daily basis.

This is indeed interesting. I thought SIN would fill a 777 much more comfortably than PVG but now they have ended up with the exact same capacity. Hopefully it's not an indication of SIN not doing well but like you said they need the aircraft for a new route.

Also this morning they announced that they have axed the seasonal NRT-CHC flights.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11425837

While only a small reduction in total seats, it's a reasonable reduction in the premium cabins. I also wonder how well the flights doing.

sunrisevalley · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:16 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 167):
Interesting... I wonder if it will be on a current layout 789 or the rumoured new layout 789 with a more premoium configuration?

It would have to be a new layout. What is the code sharing arrangement with SIN so far as premium seating is concerned? I believe I read there is minimum number needed.
The missing link has now dropped into place, one of the 789's coming in 2015 will be in the present configuration to allow NRT and PVG to go 7x weekly with the 789 and two will be in a new layout. I wonder where one of the frames will ply the 18 to 20 hrs. that it will have available 6 days a week? Or what about changing AKL-PER to a early morning departure ?[Edited 2015-03-30 17:44:45]

[Edited 2015-03-30 17:59:39]

sunrisevalley · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:25 am

From the link in reply 169 I see NRT will be going to 10x weekly for the northern winter . One use for a 763 to do the extra 3-flights ?

Oykie · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:42 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 164):
Put on top of that going 10 abreast on the 777

Actually 10 abreast in the 777 works nicely and I have flown on Air NZ from Lax to Akl. Their seats are actually very comfortable and the service is nice!

Gemuser · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:51 am

Quoting oykie (Reply 172):
Actually 10 abreast in the 777 works nicely and I have flown on Air NZ from Lax to Akl.

This is a very subjective thing. I have flown 10 abreast on EK SYD-BKK-DXB & return. Never, ever again! Most uncomfortable & depressing flight ever! I go to considerable lengths to avoid them. Admittedly I don't like flying on the B777 but I don't particularly go out of my way to avoid the 9 abreast versions.

Gemuser

NZ107 · Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:05 am

Is the triangle route being disbanded? All I get out of it is that the seasonal CHC-NRT-CHC flight is being canned. Seems like they need the capacity elsewhere.

zkncj · Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:44 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 174):

Is the triangle route being disbanded? All I get out of it is that the seasonal CHC-NRT-CHC flight is being canned. Seems like they need the capacity elsewhere.

They are claiming that the operating costs are two high for an 789 to position back to Auckland, as they can't park it at AKL Domesitc like they currently do with the 763.

zkeoj · Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:53 am

Quoting oykie (Reply 162):
The new 787-9 from Air New Zealand is really great. The seats are very comfortable and so is the rest of the experience. People who complain about 9 across on a 787 should try this confit. I am very tall and heavy but I had a good 11.5 hour flight. I have tried United and Norwegian 787, but Air New Zealand has the most comfortable seats. the 787 makes for a very enjoyable flight.

Godo to know - thanks for the update

I'll have my NZ 789 debut in May on AKL-NRT-AKL, and can't wait to see how it is. Must be better than the B77W in 10 abreast...

Cheers
micha

777ER · Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:32 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 151):

With VA moving to a J product and hints that the A321s will arrive with J installed, I'm leaning towards a re-introduction of J on Tasman services

xiaotung · Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:23 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 177):
With VA moving to a J product and hints that the A321s will arrive with J installed, I'm leaning towards a re-introduction of J on Tasman services

Perhaps they could also sell the real Premium Economy on widebodies instead of Works Deluxe like it used to be.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 171):
From the link in reply 169 I see NRT will be going to 10x weekly for the northern winter . One use for a 763 to do the extra 3-flights ?

Will be 789 exclusively.

NZ095 AKL0115 – 0815NRT 789 146
NZ099 AKL0955 – 1655NRT 789 D

NZ094 NRT1425 – 0510+1AKL 789 146
NZ090 NRT1830 – 0915+1AKL 789 D

http://airlineroute.net/2015/03/31/nz-nrt-w15/

ZKOJH · Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:33 am

"Statement re end of Tokyo-Christchurch service"

The Chief Executive of Christchurch Airport has expressed disappointment at Air New Zealand’s decision to end the Tokyo to Christchurch service.

Malcolm Johns says it’s always disappointing to see profitable air services leave the South Island, especially when the South Island is the primary magnet for visitors from that market.

“This decision will have an undeniable impact on the economy of the South Island. The Japanese market has always been important to the South Island and is growing at the moment, so the timing of this is a major blow for an industry that’s still on a recovery path after the earthquakes.

http://www.nzairports.co.nz/w/statem...end-of-tokyo-christchurch-service/

"Aerolineas Argentinas to Start Air New Zealand Codeshare Service from Dec 2015"

Aerolineas Argentinas plans to commence codeshare partnership with Air New Zealand, when the latter begins 3 weekly Auckland – Buenos Aires operation from 01DEC15

Aerolineas Argentinas operated by Air New Zealand

Auckland – Buenos Aires
Auckland – Melbourne
Auckland – Sydney

http://airlineroute.net/2015/03/30/arnz-codeshare-dec15/

777ER · Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:49 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 178):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 177):With VA moving to a J product and hints that the A321s will arrive with J installed, I'm leaning towards a re-introduction of J on Tasman services Perhaps they could also sell the real Premium Economy on widebodies instead of Works Deluxe like it used to be.

It would be nice but would NZ still sell Works Deluxe on A320 services with J installed? I can see a market for it, especially from people who want a spare seat beside them but don't want to pay for J. Having both WD and Y+ being sold at the same time would overlap each other. If Y+ comes back then WD needs to go. I like the spare seat beside you with WD service. Wonder what NZ will go with?

NZ107 · Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:00 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 175):

They are claiming that the operating costs are two high for an 789 to position back to Auckland, as they can't park it at AKL Domesitc like they currently do with the 763.

But the NRT-CHC-AKL went to the international terminal. It was separate to the repositioning 763 flights they did last year and this year, which were purely domestic.. But if it doesn't fit their schedule (as in another 3+ hours getting to AKL stops a direct turnaround to the East Coast), I could understand that.. However NZ90 arrives at 0915 meaning the next option available to that plane as it stands with the current schedule would be PER in the afternoon.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 180):

If they did, it'd only really make sense if they dropped the empty seat next to you (ie effectively you'd be paying for lounge access, maybe priority boarding, maybe better seats and more checked bags. It'd give more exclusivity to the J cabin which comes with the extra space.

mariner · Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:25 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 180):
I like the spare seat beside you with WD service.

I'd be very sorry to see Works Deluxe go.

mariner

ZKOJH · Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:40 pm

With the movement around of the 772 fleet towards the end of the year, NZ will increase Vancouver from 6 weeks to 8 weeks Over Dec/Jan period.

" latest schedule update (31MAR15) "

(Come forward by 2 weeks), from 07DEC15 to 31JAN16.

This route is operated by Boeing 777-200ER.

NZ024 AKL2000 – 1215YVR 777 D
NZ023 YVR1830 – 0530+2AKL 777 D

http://airlineroute.net/2015/03/31/nz-yvr-dec15update2/

ZKOJH · Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:27 am

"Air NZ labelled 'Air Auckland' in Christchurch" (getting to sound like BA (London Airways)

Air New Zealand is facing a backlash in Christchurch after announcing it was canning summer flights to Japan.

This will mean the airline will no longer have any long-haul services from Christchurch where the airport and local authorities say the flights to Tokyo were crucial for tourism and getting fresh produce to the lucrative Japanese market.

Some involved in the aviation sector in the southern city dub the national carrier "Air Auckland".

The airline says it is pulling out later this year to concentrate on its existing year round daily service from Tokyo's Narita Airport to Auckland.

"This decision will have an undeniable impact on the economy of the South Island. The Japanese market... is growing at the moment, so the timing of this is a major blow for an industry that's still on a recovery path after the earthquakes."

The Canterbury Mayoral Forum - which includes 10 mayors and the chair of Environment Canterbury - is calling on the airline to retain the flights to protect millions of dollars of direct economic benefit to regional Canterbury.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11426401

Why don't CHC talk with ANA or JAL then for flights ? if the link is so important.

zkojq · Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:42 am

ZK-NGR has exited service.

Quoting Texan (Reply 165):
Interesting comment from an article in the Vietnam Airlines thread saying that VN is looking at starting services to WLG by 2020.

I thought Xiaman was going to be the long-haul connection to Wellington, via Sydney.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 173):
I go to considerable lengths to avoid them

Likewise.

Quoting airnewzealand (Reply 150):

Duff is referring to the product on the B767.

787 style premium economy seats, I wonder?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 177):
With VA moving to a J product and hints that the A321s will arrive with J installed, I'm leaning towards a re-introduction of J on Tasman services

That would make sense. I wonder how the presence of VA's business class seating on the 737s has effected Qantas' loads out of Wellington. Previously they were the only ones with business class seating flying in and out of there.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 184):
Air New Zealand is facing a backlash in Christchurch after announcing it was canning summer flights to Japan.

This will mean the airline will no longer have any long-haul services from Christchurch where the airport and local authorities say the flights to Tokyo were crucial for tourism and getting fresh produce to the lucrative Japanese market.

Am I missing something? The flight was a triangular one AKL-NRT-CHC, with CHC only taking inbound flights from Japan. What discernible effect will changing it to AKL-NRT-AKL have on 'getting fresh produce to the lucrative Japanese market'?

ZKOJH · Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:08 am

It would be interesting to see how the AKL-SIN route is performing since being re-instated. a quote on stuff.co.nz makes you wonder.

"Flew in on the direct flight from Singapore last week and it was worryingly empty... Hope Air NZ and Singapore Airlines can work together well enough with the new alliance to keep that flight in place. "

the agreement of the Alliance is to grow the number of people between the 2 ports, but with NZ switching to a 787 later on this year = fewer seats (unless it's the new seating layout on the a/c) is it all about whats being carried in cargo?

aerokiwi · Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:33 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 175):
They are claiming that the operating costs are two high for an 789 to position back to Auckland, as they can't park it at AKL Domesitc like they currently do with the 763.

Which is a nonsense. I flew the 772 NRT-CHC-AKL and it departed from the CHC international terminal and arrived at the AKL international terminal. They don't shift it round for domestic travel and I believe even stopped selling seats on the service for domestic only pax.

Quoting Texan (Reply 165):
Interesting comment from an article in the Vietnam Airlines thread saying that VN is looking at starting services to WLG by 2020.

Uhuh. Once they realize the capital is NOT our largest city nor the largest destination for Vietnamese migrants, this will shift to AKL.

CHCalfonzo · Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:06 am

What I find very poor from NZ is that they didn't even

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 187):
Which is a nonsense. I flew the 772 NRT-CHC-AKL and it departed from the CHC international terminal and arrived at the AKL international terminal. They don't shift it round for domestic travel and I believe even stopped selling seats on the service for domestic only pax.

They changed it this summer just gone. NZ94 operated NRT-CHC and terminated, 2 days a week the aircraft then went to Perth and back before operating a domestic CHC-AKL service. The third day the aircraft ferried to AKL empty.

aerorobnz · Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:11 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 184):
Why don't CHC talk with ANA or JAL then for flights ? if the link is so important.

Don't they actually use the flight they have. CHC is no different from WHK/KAT in that respect. Slightly fishy too given that most of the time cargo actually flies NRT-CHC-AKL and little is unloaded. The turnaround is actually reduced in CHC in the schedule as a result.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 186):
"Flew in on the direct flight from Singapore last week and it was worryingly empty... Hope Air NZ and Singapore Airlines can work together well enough with the new alliance to keep that flight in place. "

The flipside is that it has also often been completely full consistently. The change to 787 will certainly assist in consistent loads in all classes.

wstakl · Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:14 am

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 188):

Yep, was on this flight in January. 0630 arrival into CHC and then a A320 up to AKL at 0950.....and was actually quite a bit cheaper doing it this way than the direct NRT-AKL

Zkpilot · Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:26 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 164):
. What would this have cost? The wine is worth at least $8.95. Packaging, courier costs at least another $10. Lets say the unit cost would have been $20, minimum. I can only presume that this gift was sent to several thousand members.

wine in bulk? $6 per bottle (if that). Packaging costs (in bulk) be lucky if it's $1. Courier $5 max. $12 tops.

sunrisevalley · Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:02 pm

Quoting Texan (Reply 165):
Interesting comment from an article in the Vietnam Airlines thread saying that VN is looking at starting services to WLG by 2020.

No doubt via SYD/BNE. WLG-SGN would be about 10 hrs. which would be beyond the TOW possible out of WLG

sunrisevalley · Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:10 pm

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 169):
While only a small reduction in total seats, it's a reasonable reduction in the premium cabins

The change from the 77E to a 789 to SIN means a change in premium seats from 26J 46Y+ to 18J 21 Y+. Quite a change I would have thought.

Motorhussy · Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:44 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 192):
No doubt via SYD/BNE. WLG-SGN would be about 10 hrs. which would be beyond the TOW possible out of WLG

If this were to come to fruition, WLG company may be using it as the impetus to get their runway extensions up and running. If they can get an Asian carrier to commit to long-haul non-stop direct links, this will make their business case eva positive and they'll more likely receive external funding from the Wellington Region.

Unclekoru · Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:32 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 193):
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 169):
While only a small reduction in total seats, it's a reasonable reduction in the premium cabins

The change from the 77E to a 789 to SIN means a change in premium seats from 26J 46Y+ to 18J 21 Y+. Quite a change I would have thought.

Yes, it's a significant reduction in premium seating. I guess it's possible to announce and introduce a new sub-configuration between now and the start of this service, but it seems unlikely given the time frame. And from previous company announcements, it seems that any high premium configurations would be prioritized on Nth American routes. The outbound NZ service is definitely the ugly sister of the Singapore flights so maybe it struggles?

sunrisevalley · Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:34 pm

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 195):
The outbound NZ service is definitely the ugly sister of the Singapore flights so maybe it struggles?

and while SQ keeps an A380 in the rotation it is likely to remain so but I see it appears to revert to a 77W ~ April 1st. Maybe that will be a break. Perhaps the biggest break for the airline is that they are likely to save ~27.5t of fuel per rotation using the 789 instead of the 77E. Even with fuel prices down at ~$US535 per mt. it is still a pretty respectable saving of about $US14700 per rotation. or > $5m a year.

aerokiwi · Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:39 am

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 188):
They changed it this summer just gone.

So, change it back then?

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 192):
No doubt via SYD/BNE. WLG-SGN would be about 10 hrs. which would be beyond the TOW possible out of WLG

Kinda moot. The 2020 timeframe is pretty meaningless given it's so far out.

thekorean · Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:18 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 194):

Ol chicken or egg question.

If they don't have a commitment they won't extend the runway but of runway is not extended no carriers would commit.

I am pretty sure the way it is now the flight will be severely weight restricted.

777ER · Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:03 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 194):

There was an article in the weekend Dominion Post saying that the 4-5 Wellington regional Council (Wellington, Porirua, Kapiti, Hutt City and Wairarapa) had all agreed to fund $60m. WIAL and the Wellington Business Chamber are putting together a business case to present to the Government for funding

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