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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:30 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 43):
In regard to flyover I'd say a lineup of the QFLink / Mainline fleet in formation would've been an impressive sighting but highly doubt it! Just picture a Q400 followed by B717 followed by B738 followed by A330 followed by B744 only to be followed by the mighty flying whale A380

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Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 44):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 43):
n regard to flyover I'd say a lineup of the QFLink / Mainline fleet in formation would've been an impressive sighting but highly doubt it! Just picture a Q400 followed by B717 followed by B738 followed by A330 followed by B744 only to be followed by the mighty flying whale A380

Why exclude the Q200, Q300 and F100? Probably quite an expensive exercise but only 5 years until the 100 year anniversary so you never know
Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 46):
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 44):
Why exclude the Q200, Q300 and F100? Probably quite an expensive exercise but only 5 years until the 100 year anniversary so you never know

Well you may as well go all out and include all aircraft subtypes and subsidiaries:

JQ A320/A321/787

Also you would have both the A330-200 and A330-300 as well (and don't forget both the 744 and 744ER)

Don't forget both A380 types - the structurally modified VH-OQA and one of the other factory / non-structurally modified A380s j/k    
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 35):
Even better - 3 A380's doing a formation flight. Maybe a QF leading followed by an EK and a BA

That would be awesome!

Remember how cool it looked when the QF and EK A380s flew around Sydney together  

Imagine how much better it would be with a third A380 in the mix!

Quoting XAM2175 (Reply 48):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 38):
the mighty 744

Mighty indeed... had rather a good view from my balcony

OMG what a stunning pic of the mighty bird! Just awesome...  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:48 am

Today Air Asia are advertising fares of $78 for MEL DPS direct for travel to end of June.

I presume JQ will respond with some sale fares of their own to fill their daily 300+ seats.

Add in the VA and GA flights, and we can see there is a massive amount of capacity on this route, often for very cheap fares. It was only late last year when many people where getting $99 fares. And the fact that one commenter on facebook is complaining the cheapest fare she can find is $169 says a lot about this market.

I can't even imagine how terrible the yields on this route are, and can't help but wonder how long this situation will hold. While fantastic for all the bogans who want to holiday in Bali I can't imagine the airlines are making money. This link is back to some discussion from the previous thread - but I think VA will be the first to cave. Unless they are managing to fill the premium seats at good yield I don't think they have a place on this route.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:44 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 51):
but I think VA will be the first to cave.

VA are already in the process of reducing their frequency from 10 to 7 weekly on this route so it is the airline that is blinking first.

It has an aircraft that is not optimised for the East Coast-DPS routes, which will put it on the backfoot. With XT also looking at DPS-SYD, it may well be a destination that VA gives up on to limit any losses and reallocate resources.

Unfortunately TT can not offer it much either on MEL/SYD/BNE-DPS, as the range is just not there for it to do so.

With JQ, GA and XT fighting it out with widebodied A330/B787 aircraft, they are all better suited to the route if they get their frequency and yield management strategy right.VA has the A330 in its fleet, but has shown no desire to use them on such routes yet.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:05 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 51):
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Today Air Asia are advertising fares of $78 for MEL DPS direct for travel to end of June.

I presume JQ will respond with some sale fares of their own to fill their daily 300+ seats.

JQ don't need to respond with a sale! Thanks to their price beat guarantee you can pick up cheap flights without needing sale fares.
I got MEL>DPS>DPS for $106.40 all up return flights! With no credit card fees on price beat seats, makes for a good deal! I also got a choice of flights with JQ being able to pick the better flight times and taking in the price paid for wifey and I, we saved $1025 off the JQ advertised fares.
With the price beat now done entirely over web chat, took about 20min from start to finish to confirm details, get them to do checks and make payments, overall an impressive service. Was told it would take up to 3 days for the itinerary to arrive and it was in my email just on 24hours later.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:42 am

Quoting pugsley (Reply 53):
JQ don't need to respond with a sale! Thanks to their price beat guarantee you can pick up cheap flights without needing sale fares.
I got MEL>DPS>DPS for $106.40 all up return flights! With no credit card fees on price beat seats, makes for a good deal! I also got a choice of flights with JQ being able to pick the better flight times and taking in the price paid for wifey and I, we saved $1025 off the JQ advertised fares.
With the price beat now done entirely over web chat, took about 20min from start to finish to confirm details, get them to do checks and make payments, overall an impressive service. Was told it would take up to 3 days for the itinerary to arrive and it was in my email just on 24hours later.

Thanks so much for posting this! The temptation got the better of me and i booked a return fare using the Price Beat Guarantee on JQ. (Cheaper than going to Sydney!)
But fares like this are not sustainable, and surely it wont be long before someone blinks by cutting the route or drastically cutting frequency. (I noticed JQ flies MEL-DPS 2x daily 787 on certain days of the week)
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:14 pm

Quoting pugsley (Reply 53):
JQ don't need to respond with a sale! Thanks to their price beat guarantee you can pick up cheap flights without needing sale fares.

Exactly!

I love the JQ price beat guarantee, and whenever I use it now I find the online chat much quicker than waiting on hold over the phone...

I also like the JQ direct deposit payment option for those times when you book JQ flights that aren't price beats with the waived credit card fee. At least there is always a way to avoid those way over inflated credit card fees all the time now with JQ.

Regarding JQ sale fares: Remember the JQ deal to fly the 787 to bali for $78 there and $33 back??? Anybody in here take advantage of that deal???  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:02 am

I just got PER-DPS on GA in Business for only $693 I thought that was good for September...as much as I cannot stand Bali.... And so I don't have to sit next to ......those lovely bogans....fingers crossed
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:41 pm

Pay for carry on has now made its way down under.

Tiger have announced that they are reducing their carry on allowence from a free 10kg down to 7kg to match the change Jetstar made last year. Passengers will have the option to purchase an increased allowance of 12kg at the time of booking.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:27 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 54):
The temptation got the better of me and i booked a return fare using the Price Beat Guarantee on JQ.

That's brilliant. I've always said I was never going to visit Bali, but for that price I couldn't resist either. Now to decide where to stay... Turns out everyone I know has an opinion on Bali and what to do and where to go!

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 56):

I just got PER-DPS on GA in Business for only $693 I thought that was good for September...as much as I cannot stand Bali.... And so I don't have to sit next to ......those lovely bogans....fingers crossed

$350 each way... Nice price, close to school holidays... Good work!

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 55):
I love the JQ price beat guarantee, and whenever I use it now I find the online chat much quicker than waiting on hold over the phone...

Same, the online chat is very convenient! Just wish other airlines had a price beat!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:48 am

Quoting pugsley (Reply 58):
Now to decide where to stay... Turns out everyone I know has an opinion on Bali and what to do and where to go!

Well, yeh, coz it depends what you want. You can go really ritzy and never come in contact with the madding crowd or you mingle with the mob.

I'm somewhere in the middle and I like the north. Singaraja is interesting to visit - I wouldn't stay there more than a couple of nights but I once found a great (as in v. friendly), hotel at the Banjar hot springs - put your faith in mosquito coils at night. Lovina is the popular beach place, with a lot of mid to low end hotels.

Here's the Wiki page on North Bali, which is a reasonably good assessment and with a crucial opening line:

http://wikitravel.org/en/North_Bali

"This is an area far removed from the hectic pace that can be so apparent in South Bali."

Really, Bali is what you make it. Or you could jump on a flight to Lombok, which is more like Bali used to be, forty years ago.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:04 am

I also decided to book with Jetstar for a 4 day trip to Bali, It will be my first overseas trip by myself, Does anyone have any recommendations for accommodation for about $50 a night and possibly near the airport so I can walk along the beach and have a look?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:02 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 57):
Pay for carry on has now made its way down under.

Tiger have announced that they are reducing their carry on allowence from a free 10kg down to 7kg to match the change Jetstar made last year. Passengers will have the option to purchase an increased allowance of 12kg at the time of booking.

Was only a matter of time unfortunately! Do we know the price for the extra 5kg?

A 7kg carryon is more than reasonable. 10kg is quite significant and heavy and I am surprised we haven't seen law suits from passengers who have been injured because of falling bags when it gets opened! Not to mention seeing people who can barely lift 10kg try and get it out of the bins and nearly drop it on the person below!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:59 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 61):

Quoting a320fan (Reply 57):
Pay for carry on has now made its way down under.

Tiger have announced that they are reducing their carry on allowence from a free 10kg down to 7kg to match the change Jetstar made last year. Passengers will have the option to purchase an increased allowance of 12kg at the time of booking.

Was only a matter of time unfortunately! Do we know the price for the extra 5kg?

A 7kg carryon is more than reasonable. 10kg is quite significant and heavy and I am surprised we haven't seen law suits from passengers who have been injured because of falling bags when it gets opened! Not to mention seeing people who can barely lift 10kg try and get it out of the bins and nearly drop it on the person below!

Just did a dummy booking, and the cost Is $23  Wow!

That's $2 more than 20kg of checked luggage and $4 greater than 15kg of checked.

EDIT - seems the price varies by route. The prices above are for MEL OOL
For MEL SYD the extra carry on costs $18 and the 20kg checked bags is $20 15kg $15
The price per kg is ridiculous compared to checked bags. Is it reasonable for the convienence of not having to drop and collect bags? Maybe for some.

$17 booking and service fee unless you use a MasterCard DEBIT card issued in AU. How can they justify that? I wish the ACCC will do something about these if they can. It's almost (not quite IMO but Similar) bait and switch.



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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:03 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 57):
Pay for carry on has now made its way down under.

Tiger have announced that they are reducing their carry on allowence from a free 10kg down to 7kg to match the change Jetstar made last year. Passengers will have the option to purchase an increased allowance of 12kg at the time of booking.

I'm surprised Tiger has taken so long to respond and, moreover, that Tiger being the cheaper / lower LCC out of them or JQ didn't make the first move...

I found it just a bit odd that the airline that usually charges the lower fares (Tiger) was still allowing 10kg carry on after its main competator (JQ) already reduced their 10kg limit down to 7kg...

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 61):
Quoting a320fan (Reply 57):
Pay for carry on has now made its way down under.

Tiger have announced that they are reducing their carry on allowence from a free 10kg down to 7kg to match the change Jetstar made last year. Passengers will have the option to purchase an increased allowance of 12kg at the time of booking.

Was only a matter of time unfortunately!

  

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 61):
A 7kg carryon is more than reasonable. 10kg is quite significant and heavy

     
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:52 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 62):
$17 booking and service fee unless you use a MasterCard DEBIT card issued in AU. How can they justify that? I wish the ACCC will do something about these if they can. It's almost (not quite IMO but Similar) bait and switch.

I don't get the Mastercard bit, but if it was Mastercard or Visa that'd be fair because the bank only charge a (reasonably small) fixed fee for payments made with an Australian debit card, but charge a percentage fee and the fixed fee on credit cards payments. The fact that the fee is $17 is absurd though...taking a lend and a half.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:49 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 61):
A 7kg carryon is more than reasonable. 10kg is quite significant and heavy and I am surprised we haven't seen law suits from passengers who have been injured because of falling bags when it gets opened! Not to mention seeing people who can barely lift 10kg try and get it out of the bins and nearly drop it on the person below!

Agreed 7kg is plenty for carryon, at the end of the day carryon is meant to be just the items you need for the flight...not an extra allowance or to take your items for and entire holiday!

I believe a couple of years ago there was a passenger who died in BNE on arrival from a bag being pulled out and falling on his head during disembarkation, the passenger had a brain haemorrhage as a result. It does pose quite the risk heavy carryon, imagine if a bag were to fall on the head of an infant, could cause significant trauma or death.

I still don't understand why some airlines like BA allow up to 23kg in carryon....its insane!

This new carryon fee by TT will only encourage more carryon as I bet people would rather take 12kg carryon then have to check it in and wait for the long process for TT to deliver it to arrivals.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:17 pm

Evidently I missed the announcement that the QF 11 LAX-JFK leg would be going to an A380 on occasions, or is FlightRadar getting confused...(http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qf11/)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:54 pm

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 66):
Evidently I missed the announcement that the QF 11 LAX-JFK leg would be going to an A380 on occasions, or is FlightRadar getting confused...(http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qf11/)

At a guess, I'll say confused

  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:20 pm

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 22):
Immigration at MEL will be expecting you to exit, as either JQ or immigration at SYD will advise them of the domestic pax. If you do a no show at MEL immigration and just turn around back to SYD, immigration will get snarky.

I believe if you inform immigration at SYD that you will not be exiting at MEL and show your return boarding pass, you will be ok.

The split level of arrivals and departures at the airports meant that I just went out through the long queues of immigration in Melbourne and then went back in again via the normal departures route. However, when I checked into both flights in Sydney the Jetstar lady at the desk only put a "D" sticker on the outbound pass, not the return. Immigration in Melbourne were a bit upset by that.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:35 am

Does anyone know if electronic devices are allowed to be used from the gate on board the VA ATRs yet? They weren't earlier this year but we were told they were seeking certification.

Interestingly VA's SYD-CBR timetable sees only one jet (E90) less than daily while QF has up to five 717s per day. Pity I couldn't wrangle a 717 due to corporate travel policy (cheapest fare, availability).

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:39 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 69):
Pity I couldn't wangle a 717 due to corporate travel policy (cheapest fare, availability).

Are you able to volunteer to pay the difference  

Afterall, I think most of us would be prepared to pay a bit more if it means flying on a certain tpye  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:44 am

Quoting http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/19/norfolk-island-self-government-to-be-revoked-and-replaced-by-local-council:
Norfolk Island will no longer be a semi self-governing territory, after the commonwealth government announced that residents will have to pay tax and their government will be replaced with a local council.

In exchange, islanders will receive Medicare and social security benefits.

“Norfolk Island businesses will pay company tax and be entitled to the same tax deductions as other businesses. The existing Norfolk Island tax system will be abolished. Perhaps most importantly, the reforms will affect governance. The Norfolk Island government act will be amended to transfer to a regional council,” the assistant infrastructure minister, Jamie Briggs, told journalists on Thursday.

An advisory council will be formed to examine reforms and inform residents of changes.

Will this mean the end of International flights from Australia to Norfolk Island? Switching over to Domestic? Also will we see them lose the Auckland flight? Surely it wouldnt make sense to have Customs there for a once weekly flight to AKL now the rest of the flights will (maybe) become domestic? I can't admit to knowing much about NLK and demand to different destinations.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:51 pm

Hey guys,
Will there be a major announcement about Badgerys Creek airport by Mike Baird alongside his 'good mate' Tony before the state election in just over a week's time?
Would make sense as the Libs are focussing a lot on infrastructure projects... And the jobs such projects promise!
Fingers crossed...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:35 pm

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 71):
Will this mean the end of International flights from Australia to Norfolk Island

Which will make the current contract from Australia to NLK with NZ interesting if that happens

Edit Browsing, I found that the contract with NZ is / was up at the end of February


https://www.tenders.gov.au/?event=public.cn.view&CNUUID=57567527-D857-F4B3-5030C1CCA738E5B4

I haven't seen / heard about a new tender ?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:44 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 74):
QF group bans lithium ion batteries as cargo

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...ke-lithium-ion-batteries-as-cargo/

Correct decision. Shipments of Lithium ion batteries have no place on an airplane. Well done QF/VA.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:21 pm

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 72):
Will there be a major announcement about Badgerys Creek airport by Mike Baird alongside his 'good mate' Tony before the state election in just over a week's time?

I would expect so.

I would also expect to see Mike and Tony spending more time together than Tony and Campbell did before the QLD election  
Quoting qf789 (Reply 74):
QF group bans lithium ion batteries as cargo

Good.

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 75):
Quoting qf789 (Reply 74):
QF group bans lithium ion batteries as cargo

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...ke-lithium-ion-batteries-as-cargo/

Correct decision. Shipments of Lithium ion batteries have no place on an airplane. Well done QF/VA.


  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:24 pm

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 73):
Which will make the current contract from Australia to NLK with NZ interesting if that happens

Edit Browsing, I found that the contract with NZ is / was up at the end of February

There was a news report on 17 Jun 2014 that the contract had been extended until 31 Jul 2016.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:33 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 76):
I would also expect to see Mike and Tony spending more time together than Tony and Campbell did before the QLD election

I would expect Tony will be as absent from the NSW campaign as he was from Vic and Qld.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:36 pm

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 79):
I would expect Tony will be as absent from the NSW campaign as he was from Vic and Qld.

We won't have to wait long to find out  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:18 am

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 73):
Which will make the current contract from Australia to NLK with NZ interesting if that happens

While it would still be possible for NZ to operate the contract, operating to the domestic terminal at BNE/SYD (wouldn't that be a strange sight!), it would be troublesome. The current schedules have aircraft arriving in BNE/SYD from NZ, then turning around and operating return legs to NLK before flying back to NZ. This would mean the aircraft would have to be towed across to Domestic to operate the next legs. Also means crew have to clear Customs and make there way over to Domestic. This sounds like far too much hassle and could be better served by domestic carriers - though it does show the ridiculousness that Aus-NZ flights aren't considered domestic to start with!

Loads to NLK from BNE are never that high and surely could be better served by a smaller aircraft (though I don't know Freight loads which are probably significant). It is probably too far for a Dash8/ATR over water for so long, but an EJet, 717 or F100 would fit the market better. If it were to become domestic to Australia I would doubt they would keep Customs there for a once weekly flight to AKL. The island has a population of 1800 people... does it really need an international link? Especially if its government subsidised.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:59 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 81):
. If it were to become domestic to Australia I would doubt they would keep Customs there for a once weekly flight to AKL.

There is border protection on Norfolk Island apart from the airport, for arrivals by sea.

http://www.customs.gov.nf/NLK_Customs_vessels.htm

"Information for Ships, Small Vessels and Yachts"

I don't know know how many cruise ships stop there, or if any do, but they are mentioned in the link.

There's no sheltered port or harbour, only jetties, but they can anchor offshore and pax and cargo be transferred by lighter, still requiring customs. I can't imagine they're flat stick and could probably fit in a flight or two.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:04 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 71):
Will this mean the end of International flights from Australia to Norfolk Island? Switching over to Domestic? Also will we see them lose the Auckland flight? Surely it wouldnt make sense to have Customs there for a once weekly flight to AKL now the rest of the flights will (maybe) become domestic? I can't admit to knowing much about NLK and demand to different destinations.

And lose 25% of the Islands Income from loss of Troumism form New Zealand? Even though its an weekly flight it's still important for bringing in income and supplies to the Island. The flight time from Auckland is just over 1hr30m, so would have an pretty reasonable operating cost for freight.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 81):
I would doubt they would keep Customs there for a once weekly flight to AKL. The island has a population of 1800 people... does it really need an international link? Especially if its government subsidised.

So AKL-MCY 3x weekly seasonal and AKL-IUE 2x weekly should get cut as well? It could just become one of the first relaxed tasman airports.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 81):
While it would still be possible for NZ to operate the contract, operating to the domestic terminal at BNE/SYD (wouldn't that be a strange sight!), it would be troublesome. The current schedules have aircraft arriving in BNE/SYD from NZ, then turning around and operating return legs to NLK before flying back to NZ. This would mean the aircraft would have to be towed across to Domestic to operate the next legs. Also means crew have to clear Customs and make there way over to Domestic. This sounds like far too much hassle and could be better served by domestic carriers - though it does show the ridiculousness that Aus-NZ flights aren't considered domestic to start with!

Why would they need to operate from the Domestic Terminals they can kept departing from International, the say way that JQ does there SYD-MEL 788 flights.

The crew changeover they don't fly AKL-SYD-NKL-SYD-AKL or AKL-BNE-NLK-BNE-AKL. NZ overnight crew in SYD/MEL/BNE to allow them to operate services outside of crew bases.

e.g
Crew Set 1 Fly AKL-SYD
Crew Set 2 Fly SYD-NLK-SYD
Crew Set 3 Fly SYD-AKL

Its not uncommon for NZ to swap A320s and there crew around in SYD/MEL/BNE, and they overnight an A320 in MEL & SYD
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:22 am

Also NLK is used by general aviation transiting between Australia and New Zealand and other pacific nations so they'd probably keep customs there for that reason.

If NLK flights were to move to domestic terminals another option for NZ could be sub contracting flights to VA. If necessary they can takeover a VA trans tasman flight to free up one of their 737's for NLK
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:05 am

Quoting vhqpa (Reply 84):
If NLK flights were to move to domestic terminals another option for NZ could be sub contracting flights to VA. If necessary they can takeover a VA trans tasman flight to free up one of their 737's for NLK

I'd say apart of NZ winning the Contract was that they would use the A320, everyone before this has used either an F100/F70 or 733/732 which are bulk loaded.

The A320 is container loaded and has an lot of flexibility in taking cargo, where the 737 family is limited.

If you we're to full bulk load an A320 you can take 37.40m3 of cargo, where as the 733 it replace could only take 32m3
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:23 am

QF 7/8 will operate daily to DFW between 8th December 2015 and 19th January 2016

QF 127/128 (SYD to HKG ) will be upgraded to A388 5 days a week (Monday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday & Sunday) from 10th December 2015 to 20th January 2016 then will operate daily till 16th February 2016.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-boosts-a380-flights-to-hong-kong-dallas

QF 111/112 (PER to AKL) will continue to operate next summer. From 30th October 2015 to 6th December 2015 QF 111/112 will operate on a weekly basis.

Departs Friday PER - AKL 2030-800+1
Returns Sunday AKL - PER 1225-1500

From 11th of December 2015 till 26 March 2016 QF 111/112 will operate twice weekly departing PER Friday and Saturday and returning on Saturday and Sunday

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-re...me-seasonal-perth-auckland-flights
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:53 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 83):
Why would they need to operate from the Domestic Terminals they can kept departing from International, the say way that JQ does there SYD-MEL 788 flights.

The crew changeover they don't fly AKL-SYD-NKL-SYD-AKL or AKL-BNE-NLK-BNE-AKL. NZ overnight crew in SYD/MEL/BNE to allow them to operate services outside of crew bases.

e.g
Crew Set 1 Fly AKL-SYD
Crew Set 2 Fly SYD-NLK-SYD
Crew Set 3 Fly SYD-AKL

Its not uncommon for NZ to swap A320s and there crew around in SYD/MEL/BNE, and they overnight an A320 in MEL & SYD

Had not thought of this option, and does make sense as most people travelling to NLK would already be use to going to the International Terminal.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:27 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 86):

While this is good.... This could easily go several times a week.......if we had spare aircraft!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Fri Mar 20, 2015 12:22 pm

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 88):

Which flight are you referring to JQflightie?
 
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:14 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 86):
QF 111/112 (PER to AKL) will continue to operate next summer. From 30th October 2015 to 6th December 2015 QF 111/112 will operate on a weekly basis.

Whats the point? when NZ is daily?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:38 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 90):
Whats the point? when NZ is daily

IF there was no point to it QF wouldn't be doing it, It must be profitable for QF to fly the route and extend the period of flying, cheers
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:47 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 90):

There is a point as QF are proving that there is a market for two airlines (both with 250+ seats) to fly the route. I hope QF can go year round on the route one day.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:51 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 90):
Whats the point? when NZ is daily?

I guess all airlines which fly routes with schedules less than a daily/7x weekly frequency should pull out then  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:54 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 92):
There is a point as QF are proving that there is a market for two airlines (both with 250+ seats) to fly the route. I hope QF can go year round on the route one day.

Last year right up near Christmas they we're still offering bargin prices to Perth, where as NZ was well above there level.

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 93):
I guess all airlines which fly routes with schedules less than a daily/7x weekly frequency should pull out then  

Well atleast provide an service more than once a week, only have an service once an week you're limiting your self to an small market
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:05 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 94):
Well atleast provide an service more than once a week, only have an service once an week you're limiting your self to an small market

Once weekly flights can be quite profitable, especially if the airline has infrastructure at each end.

I assume - ? - they use an aircraft that would otherwise be sitting on its chuff?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:13 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 94):
Last year right up near Christmas they we're still offering bargin prices to Perth, where as NZ was well above there level.

Which may have been a case of NZ offering their discount fares nice and early (and hence selling them out nice and early) prior to QF starting their sales. Your single observation does not mean that QF is making a pittance on the route.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 94):

Well atleast provide an service more than once a week, only have an service once an week you're limiting your self to an small market

There may not be market big enough to support a double daily using widebodies, so QF have probably chosen the niche in that market which is the most profitable for them (leaving Friday night and returning Sunday afternoon) means that QF have timed it to capture those travellers who are time poor (leave work Friday afternoon, return Sunday afternoon before work starts on a Monday). Clearly QF aren't trying to capture the corporate market with this timing/frequency.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:14 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 95):
I assume - ? - they use an aircraft that would otherwise be sitting on its chuff?

Correct. So all QF is really looking to do with these flights is make them do better than the cost of leaving the aircraft sitting on its chuff in PER all weekend. I'd also guess that during the period where QF is operating PER-AKL on Friday and return on Sunday there's probably an A330 return flight from AKL to MEL/SYD/BNE, rather than leave it sitting in AKL for 28 hours.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:25 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 95):
Once weekly flights can be quite profitable, especially if the airline has infrastructure at each end.

I assume - ? - they use an aircraft that would otherwise be sitting on its chuff?
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Quoting mariner (Reply 95):
I assume - ? - they use an aircraft that would otherwise be sitting on its chuff?

Correct. So all QF is really looking to do with these flights is make them do better than the cost of leaving the aircraft sitting on its chuff in PER all weekend. I'd also guess that during the period where QF is operating PER-AKL on Friday and return on Sunday there's probably an A330 return flight from AKL to MEL/SYD/BNE, rather than leave it sitting in AKL for 28 hours.

I wonder if the once weekly flight would operate at all if there was not an aircraft just sitting around on its chuff to make use of?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 117

Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:45 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 98):
I wonder if the once weekly flight would operate at all if there was not an aircraft just sitting around on its chuff to make use of?

Probably not. But if there is, use it, otherwise it's dead metal.

Assuming it achieves at least break-even load factor it also makes a contribution, albeit a small one, to bringing down overall CASK.

Worst case, as Delta B717 said, is that flying the aircraft in revenue service is cheaper than not flying. This was partly the rationale for Emirates trans-Tasman services, which don't get high load factors, but which Emirates claims are profitable - or losing less than sitting on their chuffs doing nothing all day at SYD, MEL and BNE.

But I'm a bit more optimistic about the Qantas PER-AKL. I'm very conscious of those airlines in the US that fly south of the border to the smaller resorts - Liberia, Costa Rica or Huatulco, Mexico - seasonally, once a week, and make a (comparative) motza.

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