Sometimes when I log onto the site I just get smacked upside the noggin by a beautiful photograph. I don't think there are really words for this one:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untit...Boeing-727-31(RE)-Super/2605669/L/
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That clean wing is absolute arliner porn!!!!
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| Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 1): That clean wing is absolute arliner porn!!!! |
The winglets...
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Ahhh the 727. There is no plane more beautiful.
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Had a walk around this when it was at Lasham a few years ago. Great to see it still going.
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Wow!!! That is beautiful. That looks like it just came of the paint line. I still say the 727 is the greatest looking plane ever, and unlike her younger brother, it actually looks great with winglets. But I notice something here. Unless it's an obstacle illusion, is the inlet for engine #2 perfectly round? I thought the inlets became round only with the 727-200. This is a -100 isn't it? ANd I thought all the 100s had oval shaped inlets on engine #2. But regardless, this is an amazing bird. God, how I miss all the three-holers.
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hahahahahaha. Thank God for my a-net brethren. Kindred spirits indeed.
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| Quoting richiemo (Reply 5): Wow!!! That is beautiful. That looks like it just came of the paint line. I still say the 727 is the greatest looking plane ever, and unlike her younger brother, it actually looks great with winglets. But I notice something here. Unless it's an obstacle illusion, is the inlet for engine #2 perfectly round? I thought the inlets became round only with the 727-200. This is a -100 isn't it? ANd I thought all the 100s had oval shaped inlets on engine #2. But regardless, this is an amazing bird. God, how I miss all the three-holers. |
You are absolutely correct. The 727-100 came with an oval inlet in the number two position. The 727-200 had a round inlet. It had to have been replaced. Northwest Airlines had a 727-051, N463US, that had at least one turbine blade that was thrown loose from the number three engine that went through the inlet skin of the number two engine and also the convoluted tube to the number two engine and exited the opposite side of the of the aircraft inlet destroying the convoluted tube. Northwest bought the LAST new convoluted tube from Boeing for use on that aircraft. N463US had the number three engine disintegrate on take off, at MSP, causing the number two engine to ingest the damaged parts thrown from the destroyed engine at 400 feet on take off. The pilot managed to keep the number two engine running at idle, even though it was vibrating, and made a one engine go around using the number one engine at maximum power and land successfully. The number one engine was over temped.
That may be why the number two engine on this aircraft has a round inlet, as only a new round convoluted tube may have been still available for this aircraft or the operator wanted a round one for aesthetic purposes.
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| Quoting richiemo (Reply 5): Unless it's an obstacle illusion, is the inlet for engine #2 perfectly round? |
Honestly guys, I think it is an optical illusion. I concentrated on the #3 inlet and it seems wider to me. Compare it to a similar angle of the same aircraft in this pic.
Photo © Alan Lebeda
Regardless, one sharp looking aircraft!
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| Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 9): Quoting richiemo (Reply 5): Unless it's an obstacle illusion, is the inlet for engine #2 perfectly round? Honestly guys, I think it is an optical illusion. I concentrated on the #3 inlet and it seems wider to me. Compare it to a similar angle of the same aircraft in this pic. View Large View Medium Photo © Alan Lebeda Regardless, one sharp looking aircraft! |
I will have to stand corrected in my post number eight about the inlet on the number two engine, but my other statements about N463US are correct. Below is a fronal view of this aircraft showing the oval inlet.
Photo © Mészáros Tibor
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I miss working the727. No matter how difficult the -100s were......I would love to work one again. and the-200s......oh what a great airplane. I still have the diagram of the -200 in my manual.....love looking at it once in a while
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Wow, your're right. Oval indeed. Heck of an optical illusion. By the way, let's drive the a-netters over the cliff and suggest Boeing restart the 727 line. Think they get nuts every time someone mentions restarting the 757 line? Wait'll you suggest the 727 line.
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| Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2): The winglets... The only thing that looks cooler than a 727 is a 727 with winglets. |
Agreed, what a gorgeous picture and a testament to the longevity of the 727 design!
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Super27 changes Eng 1 & 3 for JT8-217 and hushes the #2 engine a -9 or -15. As suggested here, when they did this conversion it is possible the mandate was for a round intake replacement on #2.
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Beautiful Aircraft, my favourite Jet and the first one I flew.
The -100 was even nicer to fly than the -200, lighter on the controls, more responsive and easier to land.
Did not like being a Flight Engineer on it though, the pressurization control was quite tricky to operate smootly.
When I saw the Oval inlet I knew I was in for a challenging day on the 'panel' !
The -200 pressurization was all automatic on the other hand, very easy.
Lovely Aircraft.
The -100 was even nicer to fly than the -200, lighter on the controls, more responsive and easier to land.
Did not like being a Flight Engineer on it though, the pressurization control was quite tricky to operate smootly.
When I saw the Oval inlet I knew I was in for a challenging day on the 'panel' !
The -200 pressurization was all automatic on the other hand, very easy.
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| Quoting Max Q (Reply 16): The -200 pressurization was all automatic on the other hand, very easy. |
You were lucky then, a number of older -200s in fleets like TWA still had the manual pressurization. At DL, we only had the ex-National -235s with manual pressurization.
Also, I wonder why this 1969 short body -31 was ordered by TWA. Several -231s were delivered to TWA in 1968.
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
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Too bad it doesn't have plugged eyebrow windows... then it would be perfect!
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| Quoting richiemo (Reply 12): Wow, your're right. Oval indeed. Heck of an optical illusion. By the way, let's drive the a-netters over the cliff and suggest Boeing restart the 727 line. Think they get nuts every time someone mentions restarting the 757 line? Wait'll you suggest the 727 line. |
Only the 727-100 had the oval #2 intake. It was changed to round on the 727-200. If memory correct, that was an effort to reduce the number of compressor stall incidents that affected the #2 engine on 727s due to airflow through the S-duct to the engine. I believe that also happened on the 727's inaugural takeoff on February 9, 1963.
727-100 oval intake
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727-200 round intake
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There is a youtube video of this 727 taking off from SXM.... amazing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfWhV86X8CQ
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| Quoting xdlx (Reply 14): As suggested here, when they did this conversion it is possible the mandate was for a round intake replacement on #2. |
The #2 inlet is round in the reply 21 SXM video.
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I've often heard praise, or perhaps more accurately, reverence, for the "gothic" profile of the 727. No doubt a beautiful aircraft, with a beautiful shape. But would some do me the courtesy of explaining the use of this architectural term in the context of aircraft design? Thanks in advance.
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| Quoting richiemo (Reply 5): is the inlet for engine #2 perfectly round? |
Yes it is.
| Quoting xdlx (Reply 14): Super27 changes Eng 1 & 3 for JT8-217 and hushes the #2 engine a -9 or -15. As suggested here, when they did this conversion it is possible the mandate was for a round intake replacement on #2. |
And you have the answer. The Valsan Conversion which this 727 has, rounded the inlet of engine #2. The Rolls Royce Tay engine needed that. I may be wrong, though, but it seems to me this bird underwent it.
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And then there is this absolute beauty....
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| Quoting AR385 (Reply 24): And you have the answer. The Valsan Conversion which this 727 has, rounded the inlet of engine #2. The Rolls Royce Tay engine needed that. I may be wrong, though, but it seems to me this bird underwent it. |
The Valsan mod. did not use the RR Tay engines, it used the JT8-217 on no. 1 and no.3 positions. The RR Tay was used on the UPS/Dee Howard conversion in all three positions. We did do one private Tay mod. which did end up getting winglets and the round #2 inlet, it also had long range aux. tanks installed. I am far from an expert on this because I hired in at Dee Howard towards the end of this project.
With that said I am of the opinion that the Valsan mod. was never incorporated on the -100, I could definitely be wrong on this one though.
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| Quoting 737tdi (Reply 26): The Valsan mod. did not use the RR Tay engines, |
You are probably more right than me. You are the expert for sure. But I remember the Tay engine at the beginning was required, at least on the blueprint of the original Valsan plans, on the no.2 engine. Thus the changing of the form of the nacelle.
Someone did tell me that a few 100s got it.
It was a while ago, though. And it´s not my expertise.
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I've always loved the Tri-jets. Something about the proportions that make them some of the most beautiful of the 'man made' birds.
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| Quoting 737tdi (Reply 26): With that said I am of the opinion that the Valsan mod. was never incorporated on the -100, I could definitely be wrong on this one though. |
It was done, just not very common. Look at N908JE.
N908JE with Valsan re-engine mod. Kept #2 as a JT8d without a T/R, so the #2 inlet stayed unmodified and as a oval.
UPS re-engine their 727-100s with RR Tays, the #2 inlet was modded with a bigger round inlet for the Tay engine in #2 position.
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| Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 1): That clean wing is absolute arliner porn!!!! |
Meh, I'm more impressed by the clean hubcaps!
| Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3): There is no plane more beautiful. |
You iz crazy
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There very rarely is something made by man which is so damned good looking that one wouldn't think of changing a single line on it. The one exception are the winglets but they make anything look better.
I grew up in the Canadian arctic and where I lived, the town was 8 miles away from the airport. On a winter day, you could hear these things take off as if you were standing beside the runway.
Beautiful.
I grew up in the Canadian arctic and where I lived, the town was 8 miles away from the airport. On a winter day, you could hear these things take off as if you were standing beside the runway.
Beautiful.
What the...?
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| Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2): The only thing that looks cooler than a 727 is a 727 with winglets. |
A Super 727 with winglets! All that power with the JT8D-219, plus proper bucket reversers...
Clear skies and strong tail winds.
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Thanks for the story about N463US by NWARooster above.....
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727s do wear winglets very well! Only thing better would be for it to have the old NA Sun King colors on it!
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Looking at posts on this thread, seems there is a little confusion about engines and modifications.
Here is a list that I hope will help.
Standard 727-100, JT8D engines with number 2 inlet oval.
Standard 727-200, JT8D engines with number 2 inlet round.
Basic Valsan 727-100 and 200 mod, winglets and new thrust reversers, no change to number 2 inlet.
Valsan Super 27-100 and 200 mod, winglets, outboard pod engines upgraded to JT8D-200, number 2 engine original JT8D with no thrust reverser, no change to number 2 inlet.
727-100QF mod, winglets and all 3 engines upgraded to RR Tay, number 2 intake has a humped appearance with round inlet.
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Here is a list that I hope will help.
Standard 727-100, JT8D engines with number 2 inlet oval.
Standard 727-200, JT8D engines with number 2 inlet round.
Basic Valsan 727-100 and 200 mod, winglets and new thrust reversers, no change to number 2 inlet.
Valsan Super 27-100 and 200 mod, winglets, outboard pod engines upgraded to JT8D-200, number 2 engine original JT8D with no thrust reverser, no change to number 2 inlet.
727-100QF mod, winglets and all 3 engines upgraded to RR Tay, number 2 intake has a humped appearance with round inlet.
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| Quoting wingman (Thread starter): I don't think there are really words for this one: |
Nice ride, wish we had more variety / eye candy in fleets these days.
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| Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 1): That clean wing is absolute arliner porn!!!! |
Hell, the ENTIRE airplane is porn! LOL
What a beauty...wonder who the owner is? That's one hell of a nice ride!
Meticulously clean as well, which sure makes an all-white/grey livery
look rather nice and sharp.
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Loved how quiet upfront it was. Only the sound of air moving over the fuselage
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| Quoting SLCGuy (Reply 37): Valsan Super 27-100 and 200 mod, winglets, outboard pod engines upgraded to JT8D-200, number 2 engine original JT8D with no thrust reverser, no change to number 2 inlet. 727-100QF mod, winglets and all 3 engines upgraded to RR Tay, number 2 intake has a humped appearance with round inlet. |
While fairly accurate:
1. Not all Valsan Supers had winglets. Fed X comes to mind. Valsan was strictly engine modifications. Winglets were a separate mod. and were not tied together.
2. I know of only one 727-100 with RR Tays and winglets. None of UPS QFs had winglets. Again the QF mod was an engine mod, plus there were other mods done at the same time such as the EFIS cockpit and HGS.
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