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Ryanair Board Approves Plans Transatlantic Service

Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:38 pm

The board of Ryanair Holdings PLC has approved plans to start offering a transatlantic service as part of the growth strategy for the low-cost carrier over the next five years, the Financial Times reported on Monday.

link: http://www.lse.co.uk/AllNews.asp?cod...lans_For_Transatlantic_Service__FT
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:41 pm

Let's see the US3 spin this one, the way they fought NAI.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:42 pm

Here comes the 20 787 orders
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:51 pm

If ANA can fit 335 in 'two class' 787s then I bet FR goes to 350 seats in transatlantic 788s. Or might we see 186 seat 738ERXs?

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RE: Ryanair Board Approves Plans Transatlantic Service

Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 2):
Here comes the 20 787 orders

I'm pretty sure FR will not buy new planes for this but use 2nd hand A330CEO
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:11 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):

They currently have an all Boeing to fleet! Why deviate from that
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:18 pm

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 5):
They currently have an all Boeing to fleet! Why deviate from that

If Airbus can get them their planes faster and cheaper, 'loyalty' rapidly loses its meaning...
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:21 pm

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 2):
Here comes the 20 787 orders

What about that 737-800ERX concept floating around...   

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):

Yeah well... The "cheaper" part has some real truth to that as well, as a future aircraft mechanic and a current fleet service worker, I am losing a lot of faith in the reliability of airbuses... I can't even fill up an A330 with water without calling maintenace smh
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:24 pm

I actually think the A330 whether CEO or NEO could be good for FR, I doubt they'd go for the real long-haul routes just yet, and the A333/A339 probably have ample range for what they want to do, which I suspect is North America and the Caribbean.

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 5):
They currently have an all Boeing to fleet! Why deviate from that?

There's not *that* much commonality between the 787 and the 737, there is some cockpit commonality, but not as much as Airbus have, and otherwise the frames are entirely different. If Airbus can provide planes early (they can with the A330) and cheaply (FR love cheap plane deals) then they won't hesitate to order from them. Being a one-manufacturer fleet doesn't really mean much nowadays, cost and efficiency are King. Failing new aircraft they'd go for 2nd hand 767s or A330s.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:27 pm

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 8):
Yeah well... The "cheaper" part has some real truth to that as well, as a future aircraft mechanic and a current fleet service worker, I am losing a lot of faith in the reliability of airbuses... I can't even fill up an A330 with water without calling maintenace smh

Oh God, that crap again? I wasn't saying Airbus WILL offer something cheaper, merely that IF they do, and can deliver more quickly, they are mmore than likely going to get the deal. And if Boeing offers something cheaper and quicker, they'll get it. It's how the aviation business works.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:49 pm

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 10):

You are absolutely right, I really wasn't trying to take it there. Forgive my rant, rough shift last night lol
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:12 pm

Quoting YTZ (Reply 1):
Let's see the US3 spin this one, the way they fought NAI.

Why? They're an Irish carrier, registered in Ireland. Norwegian wants Irish registration as a "flag of convenience" to circumvent Norwegian labor laws. It's an entirely different situation, and I don't expect AA, UA, or DL to fight it.
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:32 pm

Unlikely, but if this is about delivery timelines, Boeing could also deliver some factory-fresh 763s in pretty short order... Maybe even a batch of all-economy, 8-abreast 764s. Just crazy enough to almost be believable from FR.

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:51 pm

So where would they realistically desire to fly? 1st or 2nd...hell 3rd tier cities in the U.S?
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:52 pm

9 abreast A330-300s on routes from Europe to North America would, at least on paper, be ideal for a LCC TATL operation.

Interesting to see this one develop.


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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:02 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 14):
So where would they realistically desire to fly? 1st or 2nd...hell 3rd tier cities in the U.S?

Here's a couple of ideas:

STN-SWF
DUB-MHT
STN-SFB

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:02 pm

If they start transatlantic service, they will use a new generation plane like B787, A350 or a NEO plane like A330NEO or A321NEO. I don´t see them buying used frames. I recall FR saying in the past that they needed to wait to start such flights because there was no suitable aircraft on the market. But now they have some options. Which one they will choose depends on their desired business model for transatlantic flying.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:05 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 14):
LAS
LAX
JFK
SFO... Highly doubtful
PHL... Highly doubtful considering AA/US Ireland flights
MIA.. Eh.. Maybe
DEN...???

But yeah... First 3 for the win

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:11 pm

To take this thread one step further, perhaps Ryanair can find a partner in Spirit?   
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:11 pm

Quoting MrHMSH (Reply 9):
Failing new aircraft they'd go for 2nd hand 767s or A330s.

I bet they will test the waters and its initial plan is 24 months and used aircraft to see how deep is the red ink ocean, if they can manage, give the market what it needs and create new markets, they will stay and make its plan more solid with newer metal, a better deal and the experience on how to avoid mistakes.

Where will they fly? that is the main question and its business plan the second (how big, how cramped, how much for a ticket)

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:13 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):

NO WAY!!!

Back to PHL and MDW... Since there's some similar business functions, how about a codeshare alliance with Southwest Airlines.. Makes much much much sense!!!

Then Ryanair can focus on Europe and possibly Asia... Key is, would Southwest play ball?

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:27 pm

If the ME3 are responsible for 9/11 what will DL pin on FR ?   
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:32 pm

They could use the 737 Max 200 from Ireland to Boston/Newark possibly.

If this is true it is fantastic news.

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 14):

Probably Newark or something like that.

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:37 pm

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So where would they realistically desire to fly? 1st or 2nd...hell 3rd tier cities in the U.S?

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:40 pm

Why on earth would they pick Manchester when Dublin is a base with pre clearance?

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:44 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 16):
So where would they realistically desire to fly? 1st or 2nd...hell 3rd tier cities in the U.S?
Here's a couple of ideas:

STN-SWF
DUB-MHT
STN-SFB

I'd have thought BOS would be an early favourite with its strong Irish community; and maybe BWI with a deal with WN for onward connections ?

BWI is an interesting possibility; given that BWI currently makes a 'contribution' to maintaining the BA LHR service. A FR BWI service could scupper that deal right away.......
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:47 pm

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 18):
Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 14):LAS
LAX
JFK
SFO... Highly doubtful
PHL... Highly doubtful considering AA/US Ireland flights
MIA.. Eh.. Maybe
DEN...???

But yeah... First 3 for the win

Remember FR prefer to operate to lo-cost secondary airports that are desperate to gain extra business, have minimal traffic delays and give them ultra-low fees. I'm sure there are a few around the North-eastern quarter of the US who would welcome a new TATL service. I therefore don't see them flying to ANY of these on this list as FR will get better deals elsewhere. Instead look to airports WN currently fly to and yes, I can see FR there, since they will have experience at handling lo-cost flights with the quick turnaround times that FR will demand.
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:48 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 25):
Dublin is a base with pre clearance

And the pre-clearance opens up some interesting opportunities at airports without FIS facilities. This will be fun to watch.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:49 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
2nd hand A330CEO

If they are willing to go 9-abreast the economics of the A330 will be hard to beat.

Quoting UA735WL (Reply 7):
What about that 737-800ERX concept floating around...

This is the other possibility and I think a very reasonable, low-risk approach if FR is willing to wait a few years to start the routes.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:50 pm

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 20):
I bet they will test the waters and its initial plan is 24 months and used aircraft to see how deep is the red ink ocean, if they can manage, give the market what it needs and create new markets, they will stay and make its plan more solid with newer metal, a better deal and the experience on how to avoid mistakes.

That sounds like a plan to me. Ryanair have a strong brand recognition on this side of the Atlantic, so I can see them becoming if not profitable at first at least popular.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 20):
Where will they fly? that is the main question and its business plan the second (how big, how cramped, how much for a ticket)

One of the New York airports is a certainty, I'd guess JFK.
LAX is very possible, biggish market.
LAS is possible, FR has always been big on holiday makers.
For that same reason, MCO or SFB (SFB surely?) and MIA are strong candidates.

But since it's FR, don't rule out secondary cities.

How big? Not huge at first, I'd be surprised if it started with more than just DUB and STN.

How cramped? 3-3-3 on A330s is near guaranteed, 2-4-2- if they get 767s. The less likely A350 would be 3-4-3 and the 787 is obviously limited to 3-3-3.

Price? No idea. Less than BA or VS.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:54 pm

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 28):

Certainly.

It would be great if they got an aircraft that could both fly domestic and transatlantic routes with a range of say 4,000 miles. Very convenient.

They could probably use their current aircraft to fly to some of the secondary airports. I think their longest route is 2,700 miles currently.

I would rather have more frequency with the smaller aircraft than the larger one and less frequency also. They would have to add ife though, couldn't bare their current interior for 6 hours.

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:56 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 16):
DUB-MHT

For Greater Boston, I don't think MHT will be served - its 50/50 on BOS or PVD. PVD has better public transportation than MHT.

I see BOS/PVD-DUB and BOS/PVD-STN.

FR has to make two decisions:

1)Staying with primary airports in the US or not. Its a tricky one especially if they want to cater to US passengers. It could go either way.

2) Allowing connections - a major departure from their business model. O+D will increase where decide to serve but will it be enough?????
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:01 pm

Well wouldn't CBP be an issue? Not every airport has preclears unless I'm wrong

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:13 pm

Quoting YTZ (Reply 1):
Let's see the US3 spin this one, the way they fought NAI.

As OA 412 says, quite correctly, it's a 100% EU carrier, so the issues that caused problems (is that still ongoing, by the way?) for NAI won't apply to FR. That said, don't expect the US3 to sit on their hands; they know the way FR has grown in Europe over the past 20 years and they WILL - quite understandably - feel threatened. What they can do about it, I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if they played an underhand game, highlighting some FR horror stories and some of their ongoing legal battles (e.g, with France, over income tax).

Quoting MrHMSH (Reply 30):
Ryanair have a strong brand recognition on this side of the Atlantic

Well ... brand recognition ... yes, but the Stasi had this in East Germany! It's not always a good thing! It's one thing to nip over to Dublin or Eindhoven and experience FR for an hour or so, but when you are looking at 7-10h, then it's another thing. And Ryanair has made it clear that it won't use the Ryanair name on its new t/a operation.

I think FR has taken a close look at this and the experiences of other long haul low cost carriers, such as D7, NAI and a few others. None - with the possible exception of JQ - has done that well and they need to be sure they learn from these mistakes. They'll start by dipping a toe in the water. I think the A330 is a very good guess as a starting aircraft. It's an excellent machine and as "mainline" carriers update their fleets over the next few years, more will become available; it's economical, reliable, has proven ETOPs capability (an important point for a first time t/a carrier) and its combination of fuel economics and being available at the right price make it a good choice. The 777 is heavier and that starts its off at a disadvantage. Another possible advantage is that having "dipped its toe" in the water with secondhand A330s, "FR" will be a potential customer for the A339, so it will be in Airbus's interests to help it out.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:14 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 4):
I'm pretty sure FR will not buy new planes for this but use 2nd hand A330CEO

Why? It's not like they have a history of buying user airplanes.

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 18):
LAS
LAX
JFK
SFO... Highly doubtful
PHL... Highly doubtful considering AA/US Ireland flights
MIA.. Eh.. Maybe
DEN...???

All of those are major hubs. FR doesn't really like flying to major hubs. Heck they don't even like flying to major airports so I don't see their TATL operations being any different. I would expect them to serve airports like PVD(Boston), SWF (NYC), BUF (Toronto), etc.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:18 pm

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Why? It's not like they have a history of buying user airplanes.

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:23 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 12):
Norwegian wants Irish registration as a "flag of convenience" to circumvent Norwegian labor laws. It's an entirely different situation,

Well, it doesn't really matter. The best word to sum up both Ryanair and Norwegian in one bucket is "competition" to the US3 and EU3.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 12):
, and I don't expect AA, UA, or DL to fight it.

It's just a matter of time and how much they hurt US3 & EU3 JVs. If Ryanair flies just to one or two cities once daily then nothing much will happen. But, if they start flying to multiple cities on either side of the pond with multiple fequencies at rock bottom prices then all hell will break loose and EU3 + US3 will absolutely protest. Will be very interesting to watch. The US3 protests against ME3 will just be a movie trailer in comparison to the protests i see coming against Ryanair + Norwegian expansion in the lucrative TATL market.

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Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:23 pm

Well, my fantasy routes are:

STN - JFK . . . and a codeshare with B6. Connections on both ends. Would be amazing!! Especially with T5i now open at JFK.

STN - BTV . . . BTV has accepted intl arrivals from Porter so I assume it could accept a slightly larger arrival as well. VT has a sophisticated population that likes to travel to Europe, not to mention the fact that it's also a reliever for Montreal and can siphon northern Englanders who currently drive to BOS. Lastly, it's not unusual to run into English tourists in VT.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:26 pm

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 14):
So where would they realistically desire to fly? 1st or 2nd...hell 3rd tier cities in the U.S?

If they take a note from the G4 workbook, I'd guess large metro centers with a large PDEW so they can skim off the bottom.

But if they follow their own playbook, then it's likely places like SWF or BDL that could be their target markets. I hope they get a real feel for the American market before they enter, what works in Europe doesn't always fly here (pun intended)

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 20):
Where will they fly? that is the main question and its business plan the second (how big, how cramped, how much for a ticket)

It'll come down to which TATL aircraft FR chooses, if it's A-330s or 787s then places like ONT, OAK or LAS are all options. But 10 hours to ONT in a typical FR layout would likely mean some frayed nerves by the end of the flights. Up until now what is FR's longest route? I think they may need to give up an inch or two in pitch to keep people sane that long trapped in a metal tube.

IMO, FR will stay with the 737 family & get the variant that holds the most people, while still containing the legs to make a westbound TATL crossing with no fuel issues. As far as seating, all I can think of is those standing chairs that were recently trademarked, where is that picture when I need it?

Quoting Phillyramp270 (Reply 21):
Back to PHL and MDW... Since there's some similar business functions, how about a codeshare alliance with Southwest Airlines.. Makes much much much sense!!!

IMHO, WN & FR are not well matched, WN is a nicer carrier with several customer service oriented amenities that FR does not offer.

More importantly WN doesn't offer that same uber spartan experience that FR does. IMHO, FR would be better off with NK using BOS, DTW & ORD as US gateways to connect on-wards to the rest of America.

Quoting flyingcaT (Reply 22):

If the ME3 are responsible for 9/11 what will DL pin on FR ?

A corsage? LOL!

Quoting frostyj (Reply 23):
If this is true it is fantastic news

If you are a bargain minded traveler going from Europe to the USA, then I guess this is fantastic news.

FR will likely only further stimulate traffic wherever they decided to fly, if the fares are as low as traditional FR fares. Then it may very well be a good thing all around, for bargain travelers & the services that would support these flights & travelers.
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:34 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 32):
FR has to make two decisions:

1)Staying with primary airports in the US or not. Its a tricky one especially if they want to cater to US passengers. It could go either way.
2) Allowing connections - a major departure from their business model. O+D will increase where decide to serve but will it be enough?????

These are absolutely the two key decisions for FR - probably in the reverse order as offering connections v. no connections definitely affects which airports are used (allowing connections and using SWF might not really work!   ).
Personally I'm expecting them to focus on driving down the O&D price to the lowest level, not offering connections at either end, and sticking to big catchment areas at each end (London & Dublin to Boston & New York & Washington) while seeking out the best deals they can get from the airports. On TATL, turnround times won't be the driver, it will be the cost to FR of putting a pax through the airport.
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 39):

Oh yes its great I will have even more choice on routes to America!! It is also going to push prices down.
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Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:41 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 35):
FR doesn't really like flying to major hubs. Heck they don't even like flying to major airports

While that is often believed, in the past year or so they have very much increased their service at primary airports, e.g. FCO, BRU, LIS, CPH. This forms their evolution towards a more business-focused airline. The only airports in Europe which they have ruled out serving are FRA, CDG, and LHR, suggesting all others are now fair game.
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SonomaFlyer
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RE: Ryanair Board Approves Plans Transatlantic Service

Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:47 pm

I don't see FR going into big metro airports if they can get a deal on landing fees etc for a nearby airport.

For Los Angeles - ONT
For San Francisco Bay Area OAK or SJC or SMF

For Southern Florida (which seems a gimme if they come to the U.S.), they will play all of the airports off against each other.

As for other major metro areas, look to a smallish airport with an airport long enough to support TATL operations.
 
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RE: Ryanair Board Approves Plans Transatlantic Service

Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:50 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 35):
All of those are major hubs. FR doesn't really like flying to major hubs. Heck they don't even like flying to major airports so I don't see their TATL operations being any different. I would expect them to serve airports like PVD(Boston), SWF (NYC), BUF (Toronto), etc.

We are in 2014. Ryanair flies to major airports (MAD, BCN, LIS, FCO, BRU, DUB, thinking about starting CDG) or airports with good public transport connections (i.e. STN, SXF, BGY). People in airliners.net likes to sh-t on Stansted (which I like) but it is barely 45 min. away from Liverpool Street station in central London, with a train every 15 min. I find STN very convenient every time I go to London (since I don't drive there).

I doubt the convenience to fly to some odd airports like SWF or MHT where lack of public transportation will be a major turn-off for European tourists (their main target at least at the very beginning). Norwegian flies to JFK, LAX and MCO, so what would be the point?

Like in Norwegian, I can see FLL and OAK. OAK has BART to San Francisco (so it really does not matter), and the majority of European tourists in S.Florida will rent a car anyway, so it is pretty irrelevant to be at MIA or FLL.

BWI makes sense. Baltimore has train connection to DC and could attract passengers from Pennsylvania.

PVD vs BOS could be, maybe. PVD has train (even if schedules are terrible to Boston), the international terminal at Boston is packed and they could maybe attract some passengers from CT to PVD.

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RE: Ryanair Board Approves Plans Transatlantic Service

Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:57 pm

Wow. As a US consumer/traveler I LOVE this News!!  

Taking out my crystal ball for a second I would have to agree with the other posters in this thread that expect FR to start operations out of DUB. Given the fact that you are treated as a domestic passenger when you arrive, I can see this as a great place to start and test the waters.

Going down that line of thinking (Start at DUB and leverage US domestic connections, especially in the US North East) I wouldn't be surprised to see FR start with the 738ERX (just for ease of training, spare parts, and cost containment, etch...) and then partner with airlines like Spirit, Frontier, and maybe even Alaska to forward on passengers. But I would see that only as an opening set of moves to get themselves started. (I see WN & B6 as obvious codeshare partners too, however in 4-5 years they may have transatlantic aspirations of their own.)

Don't get me wrong, I could see FR buying up some A33CEOs & A330NEOs as well (or maybe even 787s) and using them to fly deeper into the US from DUB or to start from airports that don't have the pre-clearance facilities that Dublin & Shannon offer.

I've never worked at an airline but this is armchair-CEO guess at how FR would manage this risk while they get ready to dive into this market. Whatever they do, I'm sure they'll hit some rough patches but ultimately be quite successful. I wish them lots of luck in this endeavor!
 
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RE: Ryanair Board Approves Plans Transatlantic Service

Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:00 pm

In 2007 when Ryanair first annouced their transatlantic desires, aka marketing gimmick, they stated they would not service main airports but secondary airports like BWI, Providence, or Islip.

It is interesting that since Ryanair's initial annoucement other European discounters have already seleced BWI (Condor, Wow Air).
 
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RE: Ryanair Board Approves Plans Transatlantic Service

Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:03 pm

SWF, PVD, MAN, BTV could these be ryanair cities ? These seem like the kind of airports they would use
 
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RE: Ryanair Board Approves Plans Transatlantic Service

Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:10 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 43):
For San Francisco Bay Area OAK or SJC or SMF

SMF is not really in the Bay Area. It is quite a drive from the Bay Area to get to SMF.
 
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RE: Ryanair Board Approves Plans Transatlantic Service

Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:28 pm

As they like there smaller airports would they possibly use Stewart International Airport?? Which is in the Ney York area

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